From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #872 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Wednesday, December 18 1996 Volume 01 : Number 872 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Hi, again Re: Hi, again hate to be a jerk.... Lost leaf Fw: beck and call again NJC---something got screwed up NJC: snowballs, chain mail I want "I hate f**king Christmas"--help! San Diego Vac. last message to sean hooks Re: JC: Nuts! NJC: TidBITS Certain Jewel song from Holiday Nutcracker show needed for tree...HELP! JC: Replay.... Re: newbie will tape NJC:PINK FRISBEES ALL AROUND!!! JC: 120minutes on mtv If You are not William Li deleat this now!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:59:45 -0500 From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Hi, again Entertainment Weekly trashed Jewel and her video "YWMFM" in a recent mag. I'll reprint the article a.s.a.p. The newest "YWMFM" single has a different version on it than on the album, in case you didn't know. I keep hearing about bootleggers. If anyone can help me get some, I'd really like to hear some new Jewel songs other than the ones I've played over and over for the last few months. Thanks! E-mail me anytime to talk about Jewel. Mm__) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:12:08 -0500 (EST) From: Angel Subject: Re: Hi, again On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 MAXMOUZE@aol.com wrote: > > I keep hearing about bootleggers. If anyone can help me get some, I'd really > like to hear some new Jewel songs other than the ones I've played over and > over for the last few months. Thanks! > > E-mail me anytime to talk about Jewel. > You don't need to get bootlegs to hear more Jewel stuff. In fact, you're not suppossed to even want them. They are discouraged. Maybe you should just have an EDA send you a tape of something else instead. Then you could here more of her stuff. katherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:09:27 -0600 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: hate to be a jerk.... >Hey I Know ThereMin, and he is a nice guy, once you get to know him, >that tape was for his own personal use and that company offered him a >lot of money or so I hear, you shouldn't judge newbies either, so just >chill, why don't all of you talk to ThereMin if you really want to know >the story, I would like to see what you guys have to say for yourselves. >Willing To Quit The List, Because I Don't Get Mail Anyways, >Laura Lin I'm sorry, but no nice guy I know would sell out his trust and his word for a little cash on hand. No nice guy I know would call a woman he doesn't even know a b***ch, and finally those tapes WERE for his personal use, PERSONAL, as in NOT HIS TO GIVE TO ANYONE ELSE, PERIOD! disgusted, Damon "...angel without wings..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:17:19 EST From: dratliff@MIT.EDU Subject: Lost leaf Hey, I hate to fill up everyone's mailboxes but I've lost my branch for the Tower Tape Tree. If he/she could email me I would greatly appreciate it. sorry, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:15:19 -0600 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: Fw: beck and call again For some reason this was cut off, so I'll try it again...:) > >>Does it > >> sound good? That's it. > >> > >Boy, that's a pretty narrow view of art in any form - it reminds me of > >the oft quoted, "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like!" > >Such an un-educated view of art and artistic accomplishment is not that > >much better than total ignorance about the piece. > .. > Come on! There is more than one level to most things and I don't think it > demeans the art at all that someone likes it but doesn't know that it's a > minimal-expressionist-post-modern-neo-symbolist painting or a > hip-hop-lyte-pop-metal-adult-contemporary song. It's not a narrow view, > it's just that the person in question likes something without analyzing > why- analyzing spelled coincidentally the same as anal-ize-ing would be... > > >But if you study the play, yes, if you get snooty ;^) about it even, > >your understanding of the genius of Shakespeare increases, you can > >understand why this play has, for the past 400 or so years been held up > >as one of the masterpieces of the Western theatrical tradition. > > Now, now, I've studied Shakespeare, too. Just because someone doesn't 'get > snooty' about it like some of us do;) doesn't diminish the Bard's > brilliance one iota... > > >Same thing for music - some of the best bands never get any radio play - > >do they lose out in the quality column? Just because something "sounds" > >good, does that mean that it is worth our time as a culture to elevate > >to the status of art? > > He did NOT say that we should elevate something to the status of art > because it 'sounds good' --- he simply said he knows what he likes and he > accepts that not everyone will agree with him. A very thoughtful and > informed choice... considering the ribbing he's getting for it you'd think > he was wearing one of those Hawaiian Punch Macarena t-shirts... geez, let's > all calm down, eh? I know it's been tense with all of rumors of JS CDs and > bootlegging and sell-outs and all this Burrithead nonsense, but please, > let's remember why we're here and that we're a family... Put a little love > in your heart, people... > > Damon > > "...yeah, this was a long post, get over it..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:20:04 -0600 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: NJC---something got screwed up ....so, my re:beck and call msg got severely chopped... so i sent it again...(a collective groan)...;) Damon "...night with it's shattered teeth attempts to speak..." ps--- I'm kinda unsure of a bit of Sometimes It Be That Way... help, fellow guitar types! I need to get this recorded for the list tape. I just finished taping Nanci for the Toad The Wet Sprocket list:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:35:23 +1000 From: leob@kuentos.guam.net (Leo and Donna Babauta) Subject: NJC: snowballs, chain mail Hi Angels! While I think the snowball messages were fun, these and other forwarded messages to the list have disturbed me. Any kind of chain mail, in any form, is not only bad etiquette, but bad for the Internet as a whole. Adam Engst of the wonderful TidBITS e-mag explained it best, so I'm reprinting an article of his from last April. Cheers, Leo the concerned tropical angel Back on the Chain Gang - ---------------------- by Adam C. Engst (of TidBITS) I've had it. I'm sick of receiving chain mail. I'm sure many of you have received these bits of oozing Internet abuse as well, ranging from the Good Times Virus hoax (it _is_ a complete hoax, folks, and the damage it causes stems purely from being redistributed in email) to the latest petition for a worthy cause. Chain mail, if you're unfamiliar with the term, includes _any_ message that asks you to forward it on to a bunch of your friends, leaving the exhortation to continue the forwarding intact. The topic of the message doesn't matter - chain mail of any sort is an abuse of the Internet and of your fellow Internet citizens. What's so wrong with chain mail that I'm ranting about it in this article? Why is it cause to be blackballed from mailing lists? Why, if you send it to me, will I give you one warning and after that report you to your postmaster with the recommendation that your account be revoked? Have you ever played the game where you hypothetically place a penny on the lower left corner of a checkerboard, then double the number of pennies on each square, moving left to right and up each row? The second square contains two pennies, the third four, the fourth eight, the fifth sixteen, and so on. I say hypothetical game, because by the last square, you've amassed a vast fortune. Chain mail has the potential to grow even more quickly. If one person starts a piece of chain mail, they're unlikely to just send it to two other people, and each of those people (if they're sufficiently gullible to forward it on at all) are also unlikely to limit themselves to just two other people each. Many of us have tens of people in our address books, and some people probably have over a hundred people to whom they could send such trash. My impression is that most of the chain mail messages I see have about 25 people in the header, and if that impression is both real and continued at every generation, you can see how chain mail could grow exponentially and significantly slow down delivery of all other mail, as the many mail servers on the Internet struggle to process millions of copies of the same message. I'm sure there are technical solutions to the problem, and if it continues to get worse, someone will implement them, much as people invented cancelbots to cancel spam postings on Usenet. We shouldn't let it get that far though, since chain mail is not a technical problem. It's a societal problem, and by participating in it you allow someone else to exploit you for their purposes. Even worse, you help them exploit even more people, wasting more time, disk space, and money than before. It's bad enough to be a victim, but it's worse to become an accessory. So, if you receive chain mail of any sort, don't forward it on. Delete it immediately and break the chain before it has a chance to enslave others. I also always send back a short note (a piece of boilerplate text these days) telling the original sender what they've done wrong and asking them never to repeat the mistake. Perhaps we can put an end to chain mail by refusing to participate and by educating those who are either gullible or don't yet see the error of their ways. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:38:33 -0500 From: Thomas Patric Oesterheld Subject: I want "I hate f**king Christmas"--help! What CD is the Rugburns "I Hate F**king Christmas" on?? I went to Best Buy, but they had no idea. Thanks! Patric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:37:32 -0600 (CST) From: pwmielech@STTHOMAS.EDU Subject: San Diego Vac. Hi I'm going to be in San Diego from Dec 26-Jan 3. I was wondering if there was anything going on in terms of the music scene or any other events especially during the new year. If anyone can give me some info on some interesting places to go and see please send me a message. Thanks Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:08:27 -0500 From: aaronc@student.umass.edu Subject: last message to sean hooks this is the last time i will do this...but i hope all of you remember this so when he comes looking for me you can tell him i was looking for him. if sean hooks is out there i need you to write me at aaronc@student.umass.edu thanks, happy holidays everyone... aaron. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:48:02 -0500 From: Crash Boy Subject: Re: JC: Nuts! Mike Connell wrote: > We also did a pretty darn good search at the door, so we are 99.9% positive > no one taped the show from the audience. Even if someone did, they are > obviously not even in the same league as the treed tape. hey, there was a search at the door? really? i honestly don't remember it. of course, there was probably no way i could have hidden anything with what i was wearing, which is probably why no one stopped me. but once i was in, i did go back out to my car to get a camera. on the way back in, some lady slowed me down to look at it, but i just flipped it up showing it was a camera and she let me go. no very thorough, since it could have been a carefully disguised recorder, but i guess that counts as a search, eh? eric :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:10:41 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Vernon Subject: NJC: TidBITS Leo and Donna Babauta, > While I think the snowball messages were fun, these and other forwarded > messages to the list have disturbed me. Any kind of chain mail, in any > form, is not only bad etiquette, but bad for the Internet as a whole. Adam > Engst of the wonderful TidBITS e-mag explained it best, so I'm reprinting > an article of his from last April. TidBITS... That's a Macish kinda thing to read... I wonder just how many of us will be dissapointed if Jewel, in the unlikely event she goes online personally, chooses Windows. :-) - -- Andrew Vernon Accelerated for Power Macintosh avernon@scott.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:08:54 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Certain Jewel song from Holiday Nutcracker show needed for tree...HELP! Calling all Washington DC, Baltimore, Fairfax VA (etc) area EDAs!! We have the tape of Jewel's set at the Holiday Nutcracker at the George Mason Patriot Center show (Fairfax Va, Dec 8th), but we didn't get the song she did with the Wallflowers ("6th Avenue Heartache") during their set. It was broadcast live on WHFS and we'd really like it for this tape tree we'll be running next month. So, if any EDA out there has that song from the FM broadcast, please EMAIL me ASAP so we can get it on the tape tree. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 04:36:07 GMT From: "Terrence R. Williams" Subject: JC: Replay.... Hey EDAs, Just thought I'd let you know, when Jewel came to Atlanta this year, she did a live show for WNNX here and they are talking as if they are going to replay it sometime soon.... just thought I'd mention it.... - Terrence R. Williams thespis@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:23:43 -0800 From: dan foxley Subject: Re: newbie will tape So this here newbie (I hate that term) but I'm willing to do my time in a place were I'm "new", want's to pass on what I've gotten. If another newbie or not wants some Jewel.So I have a couple Jewel shows (audience) sound pretty good though, and am willing to pass them on, just send blanks and postage. Just send an e-mail. And just in case there's to many responses, I'll stop at ten. dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:51:38 -0500 From: Grrly1@aol.com Subject: NJC:PINK FRISBEES ALL AROUND!!! Heres a BIG PINK frisbee for everyone! * * ****** ***** ******* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ***** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ****** ***** ******* * * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRYCHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIRZA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:43:02 -0800 From: wrdavis@ite.net (Katherine Davis) Subject: JC: 120minutes on mtv Hello Angels, I hope this hasn't been discussed before, I've gotten behind on my digests and emails. But, today I was surfing Tori sites and one mentioned that: "MTV 120 Minutes in the U.S. announced Sunday that next week's 3 hour show (December 22) would feature the KROQ concert and Tori!" 3 hour show in KROQ? Sounds like there's room for Jewel! So you all watch and be sure and post about everything!! (Who's on, what's played, blah blah) I can't wait until it airs here in Guam! (week later) Hope this is new news! Take Care, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:03:39 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: If You are not William Li deleat this now!! William!!! Lost your E-mail and I need to talk a bit. E-mail me. - -Ashe Mayfair ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #872 ***************************