From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #868 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Monday, December 16 1996 Volume 01 : Number 868 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: a disturbing conversation Re: a disturbing conversation JC: Re: Distrubing Conv. Re: a disturbing conversation Re: a disturbing conversation Re: a disturbing conversation Re: Disturbing Conversation NJC: I've died & gone to heaven....!!! NJC:Jerry Maquire Re: Beck and Critics Re: Disturbing Conversation Re: a disturbing conversation PHONE CALLS JC: READ THIS re: Theremin NJC: Some ugly attitudes raise their ugly heads On the DAT thing JC: further disturbing conversation with LaceyDog Re: [Fwd: Re: NJC:The Party] Re: Beck and Critics Re: Beck and Critics other disturbing news Re: a disturbing conversation JC: Nuts! Re: JC: Nuts! re:a disturbing conversation Re: a disturbing conversation Re: Beck and Critics Re: Beck and Critics Re: Beck and Critics Re: Beck and Call JS trouble ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:33:36 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Vernon Subject: Re: a disturbing conversation > Theremin> and screw him, he tried to convince someone not to sell DAT > copies of Jewelstock to a cd company, well screw him, I sold my copies >to a company No wonder all of you can't trust the damn newbies. - -- Reverend Angus Trying to Shake the Newbie Stigma angus@scott.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:14:38 -0500 From: JACOBUS_JARED_G Subject: Re: a disturbing conversation Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:14:38 +0200 (IST) From: JACOBUS_JARED_G Subject: Re: a disturbing conversation To: "SMTP%kulisu@arn.net"@eagle.liunet.edu cc: jewel@smoe.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Theremin> and screw him, he tried to convince someone not to sell DAT copies > >of Jewelstock to a cd company, well screw him, I sold my copies to a company > > Lemme at 'em!! Just lemme at 'em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > *Pow* *Poof* *Bang* *Crash* > > Chris > > Chris, is this your idea of a joke? Sorry to phase the question like that but this whole situation isn't all that funny. If we know the name of the CD company perhaps that country has some kind of copy rights laws of which we can take advantage. SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 01:12:50 GMT From: "Terrence R. Williams" Subject: JC: Re: Distrubing Conv. At 06:24 PM 12/16/96 -0700, you wrote: >Theremin> and screw him, he tried to convince someone not to sell DAT copies >of Jewelstock to a cd company, well screw him, I sold my copies to a company Can we all pray (even though I'm not very religious) that he was running off at the mouth because he was angry??? - Terrence R. Williams thespis@mindspring.com "Personal capitalism is the equivalent of selling out." - Quentin Tarantino ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:13:42 -0600 From: Bill & Carrie Subject: Re: a disturbing conversation Andrew Vernon wrote: > > > Theremin> and screw him, he tried to convince someone not to sell DAT > > copies of Jewelstock to a cd company, well screw him, I sold my copies > >to a company > > No wonder all of you can't trust the damn newbies. > > -- > Reverend Angus > Trying to Shake the Newbie Stigma > angus@scott.net I have to say something in defense of all the "newbies" Please don't judge all of us like that. I know for a fact that I am not like that and am hurt by the accustions. I understand that some people do join the list for the purpose of just getting tapes and them selling them to make money. Please give some of us a little credit we are not all bad. Thanks for listening, Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:22:30 -0500 (EST) From: the emperor of smurfs Subject: Re: a disturbing conversation On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Andrew Vernon wrote: > No wonder all of you can't trust the damn newbies. i would surely hope that you are joking by making this blanket statement. we would be fooling ourselves to frown upon newbies because of the indiscretions of one moron. i trust newbies and i welcome newbies into the fold. at this time i'd like to thank all the newbies who have introduced themselves to me. i really hope andrew was kidding when he made his comment peace, dave *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* Dave DiCicco peaches@dmapub.dma.org "Innocence Maintained" is a moderated, news only email list providing its subscribers with timely information about Jewel Kilcher. If you would like to learn more about subscribing to IM or you have a news item to contribute, please email me. *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 01:29:21 GMT From: "Terrence R. Williams" Subject: Re: a disturbing conversation At 08:14 PM 12/16/96 -0500, you wrote: > >> >Theremin> and screw him, he tried to convince someone not to sell DAT copies >> >of Jewelstock to a cd company, well screw him, I sold my copies to a company >> >> >Chris, is this your idea of a joke? Sorry to phase the question like >that but this whole situation isn't all that funny. If we know the name >of the CD company perhaps that country has some kind of copy rights laws >of which we can take advantage. > > SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl If you can find out the company (IF he did as he says), I can probably contact them. I used to work for HMV Records, searching out bootleg productions that were in progress and informing them of limited rights.... (it's a long story to explain what that means). But they CAN be stopped if you can FIND them. - Terrence R. Williams thespis@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:29:01 EST From: jewelfan1@juno.com (Liz A Clark) Subject: Re: Disturbing Conversation "Theremin> and screw him, he tried to convince someone not to sell DAT copies of Jewelstock to a cd company, well screw him, I sold my copies to a company" Angels, My heart just dropped to the floor. I hope to God that he was just blowing off steam!! Please say it ain't so. :-( Liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 01:36:11 GMT From: "Terrence R. Williams" Subject: NJC: I've died & gone to heaven....!!! Hey Angels, Thanks for the info on the Surfrider Mom CD.... Your help was really appreciated (I'm going to get it). I JUST ONE A CONTEST ON THE RADIO!!!! You guys are not going to believe this.... No Doubt is playing in Atlanta on 12/20 (Friday). I had already bought tickets, but I just won DINNER WITH GWEN STEFFANI!!! The radio station here set it up and gave it away..... I think I'm gonna go have a heart attack now! - Terrence R. Williams thespis@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:41:39 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: NJC:Jerry Maquire BTW: I will begiving away parts of the movie here. If you read Thirza's post or have seen the movie, then go on. If not. THEN GO SEE THE MOVIE!!! RIGHT NOW!! GO!!!.... What? You'r still here? Oh, ok. I just got back for seeing Jerry Maquire. I'm speechless. That is one of the best movies that I've ever seen. There was not a point in this movie where I wasn't doing one of three things: smiling, laughing, or being on the verg of crying. I just can't begain to explain just how much that movie touched me. Let me just say that there are few movies that I take in as part of myself, but this is one of em. Jerry's lament for the fist half of the movie about "I've always has so much to say and no one of listen to me", was just something that coulda came out of my mouth so easaly if I had anyone to actually say it to. Dorthy Boyd was just a lovely person. The fact that she walked out on her job because she had integrety, and beleved in what Jerry was saying about haveing heart for the clients... was just amazing. There are people like that in real life, it's all a matter of finding them. The kid was just great. Then after they get married and we see that he really dosen't love here, and she stops kidding herself about it... when she is just basicly leving him, even tho she still loves him, and he's not doing anythign about it... just sitting there... I REALLY had to fight the erg to just yell out "Jerry, you basterd! How can you do that to her!?!". Then that end scene, when he finaly figures out that he loves her (why are us guys so damned stupid sometimes??? If I have to listen to one of my friends bitch and moan about how they "don't undersant women" I'll go nuts!! Figure it out... it's not women you don't understand. It's just people in general) and goes back after her... I nearly died. Despite all the hard times that he went thorugh, all the bad times, all the struggel..... that man is my definition of lucky. He has everything he really needs... love. Oh, and Camron Crowe is possibly my favroit screen writer now. I loved Singels so many years ago, and Jerry Maquire was about 10 or 11 MILLION times better then that movie. Anyone know more movies he's done? anyways, seeya all. - -Ashe Mayfair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:45:10 -0500 From: Buritohead@aol.com Subject: Re: Beck and Critics Hello, How can a list that claims to embrace the ideals expressed in jewels songs, then go and totally rag on an artist like Beck. He may not be a neo-hippie folk artist but if you guys would listen to somthing beisdes "Loser" and "Where it's at" you might realize that the man is a talented artist, who deserves evry bit of acknowledgment he recieves, later, Buritohead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:45:59 -0500 (EST) From: the emperor of smurfs Subject: Re: Disturbing Conversation On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Liz A Clark wrote: > My heart just dropped to the floor. I hope to God that he was just > blowing off steam!! Please say it ain't so. :-( if i were a gambling man, i'd bet that "Theremin" was just talking tough. i hope he didn't do it...but i have a feeling he was showing off :( also, a few people have talked about copyright actions. my suggestion is to give any and all info to Jewel, Lenedra, and Hiranya. between the three of them and the Bigshots at Atlantic, i think they are in the best position to handle this. especially, since none of would have legal standing and any of our well-meaning investigation could be interfering with an investigation by Atlantic. peace, dave *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* Dave DiCicco peaches@dmapub.dma.org "Innocence Maintained" is a moderated, news only email list providing its subscribers with timely information about Jewel Kilcher. If you would like to learn more about subscribing to IM or you have a news item to contribute, please email me. *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:43:27 EST From: bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford III) Subject: Re: a disturbing conversation I don't know about the rest of you but I find this DAMN SCARY!! Although I'm a new-person (politically correct term) to this list I strongly think that some additional rules should be put into effect regarding Jewel's tapes. A waiting period or something. For those of you who think that it is bad karma to assume the worst and make possibly innocent people wait to attain Jewel-what-have-you's, consider if you will the repercussions. We could loose that which everyone is trying to attain, and probably a little bit of trust (ensued by Lenedra and Jewel). A little patients never killed anyone! It's not necessarily a matter of earning Jewel's tapes more so than it is trying to keep the opportunity to get them! Please, think about it! -Bruce bhartford3rd@juno.com PS I hope to god this person was just shooting thier mouth off, but what if? What *is* the worst case scenario? Think about it.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:52:27 -0500 From: Buritohead@aol.com Subject: PHONE CALLS HELLO, >It is becoming more obvious that there are some people that are just >not happy people. but I guess it's not important to be happy. Tom Morales wrote this about my earlier Post: by the way i am quite happy Tom thank you. Anyway just a quick thought: Dont you fell the mass calling of radio stations makes a mockery of the artist you all claim to love. If she is a as exceptional as you claim, you EDA's need not worry, cause she'll chart anyway. I'm sure jewel is greatful for your dedication but dont you think she should make the charts legitimatley?? thaks, Buritohead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 01:54:44 GMT From: "Terrence R. Williams" Subject: JC: READ THIS re: Theremin Hey all, GREAT NEWS!!! Theremin just bombarded a list member in IRC, saying that there was no tape, no company, and no sale. BAD NEWS!!! He could be saying that to get everyone off his back. - Terrence R. Williams thespis@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:54:56 -0500 From: Harrisbros@aol.com Subject: NJC: Some ugly attitudes raise their ugly heads ***Buritohead@aol.com wrote: >>whats so important about being an EDA anyway, like you guys are all some big deal or somthing? whatever!!!!<< This guy has the appropriate "handle," that's for sure. He simply doesn't get it, and most likely never will. ***Then Buritohead@aol.com wrote: >>i like this AOL deal, i guess thats cause im a night owl, anways i'd rather you guys didn't complain<< And if you have yours, why bother with anyone else's needs, right? You're on the wrong list, my friend. Angels, I posted a story shortly after the appearance of a particularly troublesome "contributor" who blatantly abused everyone on the list this past summer. Buritohead's posts and recent selfish actions by other list subscribers led me to dig it up again. I'd like to repost it now: ____________________________________________ The Frog and the Scorpion Frog would swim across the stream every night to go home. On his way, he would avoid Scorpion, who had a nasty reputation for stinging anyone within his reach. One night, Scorpion asked Frog to carry him across the stream on his back. "You must be nuts!" exclaimed Frog, "Everyone knows Scorpion will sting them, given the chance." "Think for a minute," reasoned Scorpion, "If I sting you, we'll both drown. Why would I want to do that?" Frog thought for a minute, and came to the conclusion that he could find absolutely no sense in Scorpion stinging him under those circumstances. "Okay, hop on," Frog happily agreed. Scorpion climbed on, and Frog began kicking across the stream, careful not to get his new-found friend Scorpion wet. Midway across, Frog felt a sharp jab, followed by a burning sensation spreading down his legs and up his back. Stunned, he rolled his eyes back to stare at Scorpion as they both began to sink into the cold, dark waters. "Why have you done this to us?," Frog asked incredulously, "You have killed us both!" "Because," Scorpion gurgled, "It is my NATURE." ____________________________________________ The moral? Know the nature of those around you, and treat them accordingly to their nature. There are quite a few scorpions in this world, whether they know it or not. Just some of that fatherly advice, Angels. - -- Dennis Harris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:10:10 -0600 (CST) From: James Judd Subject: On the DAT thing Hey, What i wonder is how he has the DATs to sell in the first place. Just make 'em off the tapes? Anyway, guess we'll find out later... James, who is very thankful for the response to the unhappy topic and will get replies out soon ________________________________________________________________________ Computer Science/Engineering Eng. Network Services Web Guy http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~juddjam Auburn University Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:10:27 +0500 From: Fuzzy & Piglet Subject: JC: further disturbing conversation with LaceyDog LaceyDog@worldnet.att.net (not sure if this is his real address) wrote in private tonight in IRC Theremin buffer saved on Mon Dec 16 20:27:17 1996 man, are you purple21? you suck personally I don't care if those were gifts from Jewel and her mom (talking about JS here) Jewel may sing good, but she is an bitch what ever, another reason why you will never be an EDA huh? I haven't talked to you in like 20mins what are you talking about I was away it was my choice to leave EDA you can't leave what you never were and I was flooded with mail asking me back I was a EDA for 2 months man what are you talking about forget it you wouldn't understand first thing, anyone who knows me, knows I don't do anything mean to anyone that is why I was asked back by so many people on the list well then why ask to sell the tapes? no one is allowed DATs of that show anyways Atlantic records said so (okay so I don't know if this is true or not, bluffing) I didn't ask to sell them was told no though so screw them so much for you being a nice guy then portable DATs are easy to sneek into shows man I know, but for that show it was recorded by Atlantic records (another bluff) being a bootleg artist has nothing to do with being nice true if you are worried that you don't get money for the release of a live cd, then don't have them she may have one in the future, I mean she has only had one album out I am saying if she, or the record company doesn't want bootlegs of the shows, then she should only have albums out, and not play live Jewel has alot of albums out man, what are you talking about but that is not good buisness she only has 1 live album out, that is true what? she has no true live album, it is a European boot there is only on album and a few smaller ones Pieces of You, Save the Linoleum, and the singles that is it one homemade CD and a bunch of bootlegs what about the tape called something like "the authorized bootleg" or something like that well there is Rare Angles and Radio Angels both of which say on them, for fans, by fans not for sale please keep it that way there is a entire tape of a live show she released which is... this was an tape that was forsale in stores, but they only made a few of them you should check your FAQ Jewelstock? heehee, you don't know what FAQ is...the thing you get when you subscribe to EDA you mean the tape that was given out at shows? the long ass list of information about her yes I know what it is heehee, you are a moron, it was not given out its people like you that ruin the list not sad to see that you left well, get it straight, you don't know very much and you don't listen very well either you like to think that hey I'm listening people who think they are god, and are so great, like MR BB that ruin lists but I trust people more that I have talked to in person and over email for a long time Mr BB made a lot of the bootlegs on the list also is the keeper of the bootleg vault he will gladly trade or even just give away boots to new EDAs key is not to be an ass that is why he thinks he is god not at all he is one of the nicest guys on the list there are alot of boots that he didn't get out that is true screw him, I will stick with sneeking in the good old DAT Dan Stark did the Rare and Radio boots and is also a great guy that I meet fine for you to tape with DAT Jewelstock is a special case though he is a jerk, plain and simple, he posted messages he never sent to me and acted like it was my fault well hey why don't you send me them and I will post them to the list unedited Jewelstock was a concert, so it was up for grabs as far as I am concerned well that is where you are wrong, it was not a concert, it was a benifit and a gift from Jewel, didn't have to pay to come in, just be a member of the list all I have is analog copies of them, my DAT's went to a company in Italy of what show? Jewelstock so you did send it to a company in Italy? how much did you profit? what that company does with them is their business well see this is what Jewel told us she said that if any of Jewelstock went to a company through bootleg channels that bootleging at her concerts would be cracked down on as far as the company and myself are concerned, I never sent them and never got a penny for them and there would be no furter Jewelstocks (still don't like that name) you mean you didn't make any money? and you think I'm stupid you cannot stop bootleging true, but it can be cracked down on, and this would mean the end of soundboard boots of which many of the boots are a good DAT recording can me as good as a SBD also might mean she won't tour any more maybe anyways I got work to do, can't say it has been fun talking with you, but it has been interesting yeah right, that would happen...musicians are to greedy not to tour if your saying Jewel is greedy then you are definitly not nor never were an EDA and that is a fact I am saying there is no way a musician would stop touring, they make to much money you know that most tours don't make money most loose money in the end, yes they net a lot, but there are all kinds of expenses you are wrong, do you have any idea how much they get paid/show? anyways maybe we can finish this another night yeah, well adios bye End of Theremin buffer Mon Dec 16 20:27:17 1996 "I think I'll just keep on spinning" - Tiny Lights Robb's Editorials, Writings, & Bootlegs http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rleigh/robb.html updated 11/13/96 rleigh@vt.edu, IRC handle Purple21, #Jewel (in undernet) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:15:43 -0500 From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: NJC:The Party] In a message dated 12/14/96 11:27:47 PM, igorwas@smartcitysys.com (Victor Igor Wasylczenko) wrote: >MrBB is laying on the ground and Selena has him in one of her trademark >scissor holds with her legs tightly wrapped around him. Amy pulled out >her handcuffs and is restaining MrBB. As Selena loosens her grip Rachel >grabbed his legs and is dragging him back into the party. MrsBB is >begging everyone to be careful, "He has a broken heart." MrBB is >putting up a tremendous fight and manages to get free. As he is running >away he could be heard yelling, "I need some air, I just need some air." How did you know I had handcuffs? :-) hehehee Amy Police Woman Neufeld ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:22:19 -0600 (CST) From: "BRADLEY C. PORTER" Subject: Re: Beck and Critics > popular, Sublime, 311, Fun Lovin Criminals, would be non-existant > popularity wise if it wasn't for Beck. He combines rap, jazz, funk and > rock all into one. Beck is a real innovator. > I agree with here. Beck is an innovator, and though I don't put a whole lot of good vibes into his new album, his past stuff has been driving, amusing, and just fun to listen too. Everybody is allowed there opinion, but I don't think everybody on this list has two or three albums out right now and is an internationally known musical artist. (*ouch* that really sounded like a flame, please disregard and chuck a frisbee at me). SenztvRtst KErmit Scooter P.-on-the-S. Actually, my favorite Beck stuff is probably the stuff nobody's ever heard, his small-time, four-track recordings that are very hard to find but also very, very talented... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:31:50 -0800 From: Jeffrey Miller Subject: Re: Beck and Critics Buritohead@aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > How can a list that claims to embrace the ideals expressed in jewels > songs, then go and totally rag on an artist like Beck. He may not be a > neo-hippie folk artist but if you guys would listen to somthing beisdes > "Loser" and "Where it's at" you might realize that the man is a talented > artist, who deserves evry bit of acknowledgment he recieves, > later, > Buritohead Listen, uh.. Buritohead (what the... where DO these kids get these names..) - I can appreciate groundbreaking artistry as much as anyone, butwhat the heck does Beck's talent (or lack thereof - YMMV) have to do with Jewel's songs? Besides, nowhere do I see a big virtual sign blinking that we here all 100% accept Jewel's ideas for a brighter tomorrow... Hmm.. think I better take that Bathroom Break to see if I'm upset or not.. BRB - AFK Better. Hmm, yeah, I still don't get it. Tacohead - where is the connection? Maybe if the Top 40 eMpTVy crowd would stop listening to WWSYS and YWMFM, they'd realize the artistry and wonder of Jewel... Beside, who cares so long as the album sells? Does it matter whether or not Beck is God? Beck certainly doesn't care - witness his antics with arriving on stage, tape deck in hand, only to put the mike close to a speaker, insert his tape, press play, and then drive back to his hotel. Oh my - how rebellious. Point being - who cares if Beck gets accolades for his wonderfulness - does it personally effect you, Fajitahead, one way or the other? Does Beck (Jewel) care if they're taken seriously as artists, so long as they get paid? Everything I've heard out of Jewel's mouth says she's just after the buck (I can respect that) - so what? Any working musician worth their salt is more than happy to get paid. - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:34:04 -0600 (CST) From: "I'VE GOT TO BELIEVE THAT SIN WILL MAKE A BETTER MAN. -MG" Subject: other disturbing news i heard to from the horse's mouth that the tapes have indeed been sold. does that mean that jewel will no longer tour? (another nasty rumor i heard if the tapes were sold) HeAtHeN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:32:47 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: a disturbing conversation Bill & Carrie wrote: > I have to say something in defense of all the "newbies" Please don't > judge all of us like that. I know for a fact that I am not like that > and am hurt by the accustions. I understand that some people do join > the list for the purpose of just getting tapes and them selling them to > make money. Please give some of us a little credit we are not all bad. Believe me, I know that and so do 99% of the list members, what Andrew wrote was to say the least, surprising to me, considering the letter he wrote to me this morning. (wondering why we we being so strict with the tapes concerning new members. It wasn't because of new members, it was just something we HAD to do, and the new members got caught in the middle) I don't blame anyone for this. (if it is true) Heck, we were half expecting one of the "leaves" back in September would be a bootlegger who was just bideing his time to get the tapes when we treed it. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 02:50:31 GMT From: "Terrence R. Williams" Subject: JC: Nuts! hey eda's, This is rediculous. Does anyone remember this guy. If so, did he go to the concert? Did he get a tape from anyone here? If he didn't go to concert, I doubt he has DAT. Even if he did, a portable DAT runs $500 and up for a decent portable. If not, either someone copied a DAT or he's lying. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:56:23 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: JC: Nuts! Terrence R. Williams wrote: > If he didn't go to concert, I doubt he has DAT. > Even if he did, a portable DAT runs $500 and up for a decent portable. Only the 4 seeds of the tape tree have DAT or Hi-Fi VHS of the tapes. EVERYONE else has cassettes. Noah was just mistaken when he said Alan tried to convince someone not to sell DAT copies, someone from a CD company tried to convince Alan to sell HIS DAT copies. We also did a pretty darn good search at the door, so we are 99.9% positive no one taped the show from the audience. Even if someone did, they are obviously not even in the same league as the treed tape. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:01:07 -0500 From: AESTHETE99@aol.com Subject: re:a disturbing conversation I really, REALLY hope this is not going to spark a wave of hysteria. Granted, it is frightening, but I doubt this guy has DAT recordings of JS. If he did and he has done this, I'm not sure what to think except that things will never be the same. Does anyone know how many DAT recordings are out there and if this guy is for real??????? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:01:59 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Vernon Subject: Re: a disturbing conversation Dave, > > No wonder all of you can't trust the damn newbies. > > i would surely hope that you are joking by making this blanket statement. > we would be fooling ourselves to frown upon newbies because of the > indiscretions of one moron. Well, as a "newbie" myself, that was exactly the impression I was getting from the list vets over this whole Jewelstock thing. Essentially, the vibe I was getting was that I would have to be certified "pure and worthy" by the Jewel office itself. > i trust newbies and i welcome newbies into the fold. at this time > i'd like to thank all the newbies who have introduced themselves > to me. Thank you, Dave. I certainly hope I was wrong in my observations. I want to be wrong this time. I certainly hope I have a lot to contribute. Unfortunately, my plan for a QuickTime clip of today's _American Journal_ was scuttled when I came home tonight and realized I had forgot to turn off the VCR before I left (the timer doesn't operate while on). I've also got a few other things to clarify related to this in a subsequent response-- don't touch that menu bar. - -- Andrew Vernon Angel with a Dirty Face avernon@scott.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:09:57 -0600 (CST) From: "BRADLEY C. PORTER" Subject: Re: Beck and Critics > get paid? Everything I've heard out of Jewel's mouth says she's just > after the buck (I can respect that) - so what? Any working musician > worth their salt is more than happy to get paid. > > -Jeffrey- > Wow, hey, when did this thread get started up? Jewel is just after a buck? I disagree, money is secondary, Jewel is after somehting that she loves and that she is blessed enough to be able to do for the rest of her life. The money is nice (and I wish her mansions in Beverly Hills and three swimming pools if she wants them) but it' the MUSIC it's the heart and soul (everyone to their pianos now) that she puts into every song. God, what a pathetic life to just be cranking out catchy tunes to pay the bills, please God don't ever let that happent o her. Am I out of line here? Jewel is a realist, but also a true EDA, and I dont' know her as well as some of you, but I think We all agree on that. SenztvRtst Kermit Scooter Bradley "Hopes never to just be in it for a buck" Porter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:17:09 -0800 From: Jeffrey Miller Subject: Re: Beck and Critics BRADLEY C. PORTER wrote: > Wow, hey, when did this thread get started up? > Jewel is just after a buck? I disagree, money is secondary, Jewel is > after somehting that she loves and that she is blessed enough to be able > to do for the rest of her life. The money is nice (and I wish her > mansions in Beverly Hills and three swimming pools if she wants them) but > it' the MUSIC it's the heart and soul (everyone to their pianos now) that > she puts into every song. God, what a pathetic life to just be cranking > out catchy tunes to pay the bills, please God don't ever let that happent > o her. > Oh definately - Jewel should make a big pile of money and then roll around in it (but someone would probably tape it and bootleg it, so she'd have to stop that.) What I mean is that Jewel is in it to survive - to be able to pay the bills, and to have a good time, but NOT to be an -ARE - TEEST per se - get what I mean? She's not like Perry Feral (spelling?) "Oh, like, I've got to go have a music festival to save the earth, maaaaaaaan...) or like U2 -rock with a mission. She's not out to be arty or to save us from our selves, because dammit, she knows better - she loves playing her music, she loves sharing it, and she's one of the lucky people who can make money AND do what they love to do. > SenztvRtst > Kermit > Scooter > Bradley "Hopes never to just be in it for a buck" Porter Oh I don't know - you can be in someting for the buck and still come out ahead in a non-financial sense. What's so bad about making money? - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:22:00 -0500 (EST) From: Antichrist Superstar Subject: Re: Beck and Critics Beck is hardly just weird and dissonant. There is such a cool vibe in the music. The words are senseless, but so are most. At least he's not talking about how he hates being a rock star or drugs or girls or something. Beck for president. - --Xkin "There's no time to discriminate, hate every motherfucker that's in your way." - --Marilyn Manson "Before you point your finger you should know that I'm the man." - --Tool On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Jeffrey Miller wrote: > Antichrist Superstar wrote: > > > > Beck was perforoming the music that is becoming the big thing in Modern > > Rock like 5 years ago. All those rap/alt bands that you see getting > > popular, Sublime, 311, Fun Lovin Criminals, would be non-existant > > popularity wise if it wasn't for Beck. He combines rap, jazz, funk and > > rock all into one. Beck is a real innovator. > > > > I dunno.. I keep getting the feeling that Beck is going to suddenly tell > everyone that it was all a big joke, that his music is all crap, etc... > > I've heard very little "breakthrough" music that is like beck's - most > seems stuck in the alternative-alternative $5 CD bin > (alternative-alternative as opposed to popular-alternative) > > Beck as best album of the year? Hardly. Innovate? Well... maybe. What > ever happened to musicallity winning accolades as opposed to how wierd > and dissonant you can sound? Since that seems the criteria, I'd like > someone to lay down a nice 70's funk rythm please.. thank you. Now, > could someone please drop a few plates... very nice. Oh, Dennis - could > you throw around a few cups and glasses? Hmmm.. a little too in rythm, > and unfortunatly, a bit to melodic - but we can edit that out later... > > -Jeffrey, wondering why Gamelan hasn't topped the charts- > > > "You're out of my mind - guess that makes two of us.." > -John Gorka > > "The only statement I am making is the state that I am in" > -Lisa McCormick > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > jeffm@genghis.com > http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:25:45 -0500 (EST) From: Antichrist Superstar Subject: Re: Beck and Call You know what I hate, people who write about songs being "underwritten" and crap like that. Stop talking like some kind of holier than thou music critic. There is one simple question to be asked about any CD. Does it sound good? That's it. - --Xkin "There's no time to discriminate, hate every motherfucker that's in your way." - --Marilyn Manson "Before you point your finger you should know that I'm the man." - --Tool On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Kevin B. Mendonca wrote: > > Beck is innovative, he plays lots of intruments, he touches lots of > musical types but he music is still just there. Personally I believe that > a band that deserves more respect and credit is The Roots. They are a rap > band that plays their own instruments (one being an amazing beat > box/sound efx man who does crazy shit with his voice). The album got rave > reviews but wasn't mentioned on any Best of.. lists that I have seen. I > highly recommend "Illadelph Halflife". All my friends who mock me because > I listen to that constantly listen to that and the Pharcyde's > "Labcabincalifornia". I don't mean to disrespect Beck it's just that I > think his new album is not all that people say it is. "Where it's at" is > underwritten as its chorus is annoying to start off with, and only gets > worse. The other songs do nothing for me. The Beastie Boys, though less > gifted, less innovative, basically less in most categories, still put out > catchier, easier to groove, move, be schmoove, or shove people to... and > I'm not even one of those die-hard Beastie fans. > ( sorry for) RAMBLING(,) MAN, > Kevin > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:27:04 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: JS trouble Wait, wait, wait!! 1st explain DAT's to me. I think I get the idea of them but I just wanna be sure. It seems to me that this guy is really full of it. He is saying he sold it to a big company, this guy dosn't seem to have the brainpower to be able to work out a deal like that (I say that after reading those logs). And it seems to me that there is not a proper window for this to happen (for him to get DAT's). He said (and I quote) " I was a EDA for 2 months man". So 2 mouths when? Sounds like he left caus of recent events with Alan/MrBB. and so going back 2 mouths would not allow him to be at JS. This is just somehting I piced together after reading those logs once, but you have to understand that i am I person that has made it his lifes work to find holes in peoples stories... to read lies. From my limited knowledge of the workings of things on this matter I would seem that their are holes in this story. Not saying that you peple out there that are trying hard to get this all worked out should stop, just telling things the way I see em. - -Ashe (ignore the typose) Mayfair ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #868 ***************************