From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #757 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, 12 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 757 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: RELEASE- New YWMFM Single out ( I FINALLY heard YWMFM on the radio! *gasp* RE: male singers YWMFM Single RE: NJC: Re: SJC a dj's opinion (Wedding stuff) The latest WWIII to hit the list RE: NJC: Re: SJC a dj's opinion (Wedding stuff) YWMFM single and my dementia Re: RELEASE- New YWMFM Single out Re: YWMFM single and my dementia NJC: Whose behind this one?!?!!?!?!? NJC: Dave Matthews Band on Leno Re: NJC: Freedom of choice Re: SJC a dj's opinion NJC, re freedom of choice NJC-- Foolish games NJC: Rugburns at Ocean Brewery in Laguna Beach STOP!!! AJC: Amusing Jewel Content ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the emperor of smurfs Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:38:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: RELEASE- New YWMFM Single out ( Alan Bershaw said: >>>The new version of "YWMFM" was released yesterday & is in stores now. Don't be misled by the cover which says its an "Album Edit". It IS the new shorter version with different vocals & a fairly different mix than the album version. <<< i am unsure if alan meant that this is the same version as the one PRCD 6888? i just checked my copy of PRCD 6888 and the sleeve says it is 3:39 but of course my cd player says it is 3:48 ...the same length as the single that came out today so based on my rigorous scientific experiment, i am guessing that this is the same version :) >>> The only other track is the album version of "Foolish Games" <<< well, i guess we know that there won't be a cdsingle of "Foolish Games" :( if any of you knuckleheads at Atlantic are reading this, i want you to know that we here at EDA DEMAND unrleased tracks as b-sides on Jewel singles. Atlantic does it for Tori singles constantly peace, dave ------------------------------ From: Leave the shadows dancing Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I FINALLY heard YWMFM on the radio! *gasp* I was listnin to the radio (WMAX 106.7) here in Rochester, NY while driving and.. it came on! This is my first exposure to the new single (yeah, finally) Not much of a difference (to me anyway), but I like it. :) Gerrit - -- "Duct tape is like the force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together." - Carl Zwanzig ------------------------------ From: Chris Lewis Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:45:39 -0600 Subject: RE: male singers A favorite of mine - John Wesley Harding. His style of music has been described as "Gangsta-Folk-Rap". *Great* story teller, an wonderful musician. Check out his *New Deal* album. Chris From: "Tim Gavin, The only true paranormal of the Fu Sheng beaver." Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:24:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: male singers I think people mostly talk about female singers here, because they seems to have their own genre, "female singer/songwriters", or "women with beautiful music." There are some men who could fit in musically: Elvis costello, Josh Clayton-Felt, many folk singers like Pete Seeger or Greg Brown, and Jeff Buckley. They each have great, individualistic voices, and write and perform wonderful original work. (actually, Jeff Buckley performed with jewel once. I would like to hear tapes of that. He's kind of a male counterpart of Jewel. He has an absolutely beautiful voice, give him a listen.) I think it's just because, stereotypically, women tend to sing more simply and beautifully, while men tend to be more characteristic and rough. Not to say that there aren't many exceptions. not just your everyday biscuit, tim gavin Christopher G. Lewis Taylor Management Systems, Inc. 2800 River Road, Suite 425 Des Plaines, IL 60018 CHRIS@TAYLORMGT.COM P:(847) 803-1500 - F:(847) 803-1509 Pager (800) 746-8204 ------------------------------ From: "Peter Jones" Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:58:37 -0500 Subject: YWMFM Single After listening to the new single twice, I have only one comment. What is the sense in using Steve Poltz as backup, if the backup is so filtered/minor you can not identify the voice anyway? There is really no way of identifying the voice as anything other than "a voice". The piece itself is simple enough, but not so vastly different IMHO that ordinary humans will pick up on the nuances. Let us hope I am wrong. Regardless, I am certainly happy to have a new piece to add to the collection. Peter ------------------------------ From: Chris Lewis Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:03:49 -0600 Subject: RE: NJC: Re: SJC a dj's opinion (Wedding stuff) >From: James McGarry >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:32:01 -0500 (EST) >Subject: NJC: Re: SJC a dj's opinion > >On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Leave the shadows dancing wrote: >> Hey.. my friends (at the wedding where I was the Man of Honor) got >> married recently and at the part where they are leaving the ceremony after >> being married, the song was the theme to 007.. :) Everyone cracked up. :> The newest thing that is being done at weddings here in Chicago is to use the Chicago Bulls Intro Theme (I believe I Robot from Alan Parsons) with the "And Now, Your Chicago Bulls..." but substituted "And Now, Your Wedding Couple..." or something silly like that. Way tacky. Christopher G. Lewis Taylor Management Systems, Inc. 2800 River Road, Suite 425 Des Plaines, IL 60018 CHRIS@TAYLORMGT.COM P:(847) 803-1500 - F:(847) 803-1509 Pager (800) 746-8204 ------------------------------ From: Jay Notte Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:15:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: The latest WWIII to hit the list This male/ female argument has just gotten downright ugly. It looks like we're going to have to start wearing mudflaps if we want to post on this list. Whatever happened to "flame privately: because anyone can start a conflict, it's harder yet to disregard it). Frankly I'm stunned at some of the names I've been seeing in this fray, Sinjin in particular. I've also noticed that most of the offenders happen to be male. Listen, all this testosterone fueled posturing is getting you guys a whole lot of nowhere and is clogging up my inbox. Just when it seems this list has become a serene place, somebody has to rock the boat. Flame each other all you want, just find out each others email addresses and do it privately. You're bumming my trip, man. Jay ------------------------------ From: "Gerald J. Cho" Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:16:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: NJC: Re: SJC a dj's opinion (Wedding stuff) The chicago bulls theme (as well as lot of other professional teams) is _Sirius/Eye in the Sky_ by Alan Parsons. I wonder if any EDAs would want to get married with music by Jewel. :) Gerald On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Chris Lewis wrote: > The newest thing that is being done at weddings here in Chicago is to > use the > Chicago Bulls Intro Theme (I believe I Robot from Alan Parsons) with the > "And Now, Your Chicago Bulls..." but substituted "And Now, Your Wedding > Couple..." > or something silly like that. Way tacky. > > Christopher G. Lewis > Taylor Management Systems, Inc. > 2800 River Road, Suite 425 > Des Plaines, IL 60018 > CHRIS@TAYLORMGT.COM > P:(847) 803-1500 - F:(847) 803-1509 > Pager (800) 746-8204 > ------------------------------ From: the emperor of smurfs Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:21:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: YWMFM single and my dementia hey angels! just for conclusive proof that i am in need of psychotherapy...i thought i'd share this. i noticed that the stock number of "ywmfm" is 87021 but "wwsys" that came out in June is 87151 i guess i thought i understood the time continuum...but now i am baffled. :) oh yeah... i bought both the cdsingle and the cassingle. peace, dave *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* Dave DiCicco peaches@dmapub.dma.org "Innocence Maintained" is a moderated, news only email list providing its subscribers with timely information about Jewel Kilcher. If you would like to learn more about subscribing to IM or you have a news item to contribute, please email me. *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ From: Leave the shadows dancing Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: RELEASE- New YWMFM Single out COOL!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to Media Play today!! =) THRU The snow dagnabit! :) Gerrit (Hey, bear with me, i rarely send this crap to the list, eehehe) (and yes, today it started snowing.. almost a foot since last night) :> Hi All, :> The new version of "YWMFM" was released yesterday & is :> in stores now. Don't be misled by the cover which says its :> an "Album Edit". It IS the new shorter version with different :> vocals & a fairly different mix than the album version. :> The only other track is the album version of "Foolish Games". :> The cover is a frame from the video (not the Jewel :> drawing that was on the promo) & looks nice. :> Catalogue # is Atlantic 2-87021. :> :> Best wishes! Alan(MrBB) :> - -- "I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam. I looked into the soul of the boy sitting next to me." - Woody Allen ------------------------------ From: Raymond Wong Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:41:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: YWMFM single and my dementia > i noticed that the stock number of "ywmfm" is 87021 > but "wwsys" that came out in June is 87151 > > i guess i thought i understood the time continuum...but now i am > baffled. :) Ummm, yeah. Atlantic seems to do that a lot. I noticed long ago that my collection of 7" Debbie Gibson singles ran in decreasing catalog # when sorted in forward order of release. (as in: yes, they go down instead of up) My guess is that someone at Atlantic knows when the apocalypse is coming and hasn't told anyone else yet. Perhaps it even means an Atlantic artist is going to cause it. ;) Or there could be a rational explanation, but that wouldn't be as much fun :) > oh yeah... i bought both the cdsingle and the cassingle. Umm, I'll be doing that as soon as I get off work early enough to catch it somewhere. :) Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl@netcom.com, negativl@best.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ From: toni@indy.net (Toni Dunn) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:29:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: NJC: Whose behind this one?!?!!?!?!? > i am a very old vampire. i was originally born in the year 1052. i am >impressed by the technology that has taken place in the last hundred years. > this internet is a suprising adventure. what is your facination with the >Vampire? Okay, I just got this message. Whose idea of a joke is this? It's incredibly funny but if it's real I'm frightened! My guess is that he's really 13 years old or something-Toni "I was walking down the Santa Monica blvd trying to be a woman because my father said it was better do be a woman so I could fuck like a woman so that's what I did!" -Chuck Marten "I thought that we just drove across the parking lot!" ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:58:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: NJC: Dave Matthews Band on Leno Dave Matthews Band will be on the Tonight Show Thursday, Nov 14th. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ From: Reggev Michael Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:37:18 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: NJC: Freedom of choice On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Raymond Wong wrote: > > > *sigh* It seems lately as if I'm only responding to the NJC, but I can > remain silent on this issue no longer. My apologies to the many EDAs > who are no doubt weary of this discussion. > > Reggev Michael wrote: > > You can show people the truth, but as you have mentioned, you can't make > > them believe it. > > Yes, but by concealing the words of others, we can give them only the > choice of our "truth," thus ensuring they won't disagree? Sorry, > I don't buy it. A failure to expose people to an alternate set of > assumptions simply leaves them unequipped to deal with them. > Not all are equipped to differentiate the factual truth from the emotional feelings. I do not see the need for any assumptions, neither democratic nor totalitarian. I believe that with some logical thinking one can see things more clearly then if one had the world explained to him by a stranger. > > After all, it is much more pleasent to blame others for your problems. > > False premise, and one that doesn't really serve any use, so I'll ignore it > for now. > > > Now consider the average, not-so-bright, out-of-a-job > > person, and give him the choice of two discussion groups - one that > > says: your situation is caused by you, come join us and we'll help you > > sort your life out, get a job and settle into a boring rutine, andanother > > Okay, so in group I, I have to accept what you say (join you), which > evidently includes a fundamental assumption that my entire life is > based on incorrect thinking, regardless of other circumstances. Further, > we have already determined that we're not going to bother trying to > find something challenging enough to be interesting, but instead will > make the promise of everying being in a job that probably exists only to > guarantee employment? > That is not what I am saying. I am saying that most people take for granted things that exist in society, which are not neccessarily as safe as they seem. Take for example the democracy in the USA. It seems very safe and strong. Now look at the people who hold it together, and think about what you think of them. I'll give you just a few descriptions I recieved from Americans about various politicians: Clinton is a crook. Dole is an old giezer (sp?). Newt is a fanatic. Gore is as stiff as a corpse. Perot should be institutionalized. Adding to that the rise of the antidemocratic movements in the forms of unsupervised militias in your own back yard, I wouldn't feel that safe anymore. Things have been twisted in the past. When they talked about the right to carry arms, they were refering to muskets, not to sub-machine guns. > Mind the assumptions you make. They show yourown biases. > I never said I am not biased. Do you claim you are free of bias? > > that says: it's not your fault - the Yellow gave the job to the Black > > because those are the orders of the Jew! come join us, together we can > > beat the sh*t out of them. Which group do you think he'll go for? Believe > > it or not, chances are he'll go to group II, even though they're lying and > > Nice strawman setup for the white supremacists. Unfortunately, they're > not all that stupid. If they were, would it matter? It's not those > who openly admit that level of hatred that are the danger, for if > they were, it would be easy to fight them. On those terms, they can't win. > Simply, there are more of us, than of them. The real danger are those > who conceal that hatred under false agendas of helpful peace. > I was, of course, pushing it further then things are in reality. Those who are on the surface are easy to fight, true, but it doesn't mean we should ignore them. I would rather solve the problem they pose now, when it is small and easy to handle, and not later, when they are really backed by those who use them and others for cover, an get out of control. > > the first are telling the truth. As for your second point - not true! the > > Nazis didn't gain their power through their discussions being banned - > > they gained it through spreading shameless lies, telling people what they > > wanted, giving children a candy if they joinedthe Hitler Youth, and a > > kick to the head if they were Jewish, and winning the German elections > > democractically first, and only once in power did they use an election > > system where if you didn't vote the way you're supposed to you'd probably > > get a bullet through your skull. > > > Congratulations, you just proved the falsehood of your own argument. > a bit at a time: > > kick to the head if they were Jewish, and winning the German elections > > democractically first, > > Okay, so start off in an open system. Just like we have if the neo-nazis > are allowed to speak, and lose an election on their own terms. > Ah, but that is the whole point. They will lose one, two, ten, fifty elections, but on number fifty one they will win, and that is all they need to finish the democracy. One victory for them means more then any number of previous victories for democracy. They are cunning, they would cheat if given the chance, and if we let this infection grow within us, they would eventually overcome us. > >and only once in power did they use an election > > system where if you didn't vote the way you're supposed to you'd probably > > get a bullet through your skull. > > translation: > Now that we're in power, we can't risk other ways of thinking, so > we must ban the unright way of thinking. our way is the TRUTH, so there > is no need for others. > I'm not talking about other way_s_ of thinking. I'm talking about _this_ specific other way of thinking. There is nothing wrong with having an instinct for self preservation. The democratic system, unfortunatly, doesn't have one. We have to defend it, now, when we're in power and can, or we will lose it. If we don't, then maybe we're allowing everyone in existance right now to talk, but we are risking the rights of others not yet born. Do we have that right? > THIS is why hate speech can't be banned. If you are right, and more people > are foolish enough to be swayed by hate so easily, then we will die anyway, > for we're outnumbered by such a vast majority that we can't oppose. > I am not saying hate speech should be banned. I am saying that it should not be publically endorsed. We may not be foolish enough to be swayed so, but if you tell a twelve year old that "This is a jew. He is bad." enough times, eventually he would grow to hate Jews. That is the preposition. > A community of Jews held off the Nazi army with 12 handguns. Now you want There is a difference between what people would do when their lives and the existance of their nation are at stake, and what they would do when it's just a question of the system of government they live in. Poland was taken in one month. France couldn't handle the German tanks. Every part of Europe took a beating in that war. > to tell me the neo-nazis are so powerful we need to protect the world > from them, to the extent of sacrificing rights to save these rights? I hear > the words, "never forget," but the lesson has been forgotten already, then. > We MUST maintain our own ability to speak and fight back, against ALL > enemies. To accept a limitation on speech only gives them a weapon > against us, should they ever gain power with their lies. > The right to life is greater then the right to speak. The ability of people to give up some rights in preference of other rights is the very foundation of society. We MUST fight back now, and use our own abilities to speak and fight back NOW, before it is too late. If it means giving up some things, then so be it. If we remove the tongue, the patient won't be able to speak, and would probably be very self conscience, but he would still have his life. I cannot assure you he would live through the infection he has there. > I am glad the newsgroup failed, but never mistake that as approval of > censorship. I amglad, because the vote proved you are wrong. Only > 100 or so people voted yes. People ARE smart enough to recognize lies. > The worst enemy is the one that makes you defeat yourself, but they are > not that enemy. Let's not become our own enemies. > Censorship is when a government appoints a body that says what you can or cannot say. That's not what we have here. Here WE, the people, are asked what we allow or disallow to be openly supported by the community. > > > Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 > negativl@netcom.com, negativl@best.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 > Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club > Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club > 42, Tuff - the ILi EDA ------------------------------ From: Brenda Thorne Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:38:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: SJC a dj's opinion On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Ray DeJean wrote: > > > Ben wrote: > > :> > P.S. The most ridiculous choice of wedding song I have ever been exposed > > :> > to in my circle of friends was Monster Mash. If anybody can top that > > :> > for sheer silliness, I'd like to hear about it... > > :> > > :> My "friends" got married to the "Forest Gump Suite" and "Kickstart my > > :> Heart" by AC/DC (I think) > Hmmm, my wedding song will be Abba's "I do I do I do" ... played immediately after the Elvis impersonator pronounces us man and wife. Brenda ps. yes, i am serious. ------------------------------ From: Gerry Lipnowski Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:29:14 -0500 Subject: NJC, re freedom of choice As part of this spirited (and probably endless) debate, I feel as though much of this constructive discussion has been oriented towards American definitions of freedom of speech. My understanding is that the Internet is quite international, and as a non-American, I would just like to remind everyone that there are many varieties of what constitutes freedom of speech, and many countries and societies have laws and conventions that place more emphasis on collective rights than individual rights in this respect. I think it was Tony Trudeau who earlier pointed out that the people trying to construct a Nazi site have broken no laws. However, in some countries (and I mean countries we would agree are Western democracies), the very act of establishing such a site that is predicated on an overtly racist view - seeking to contravene the rights of others - would break hate laws. The basis of those laws is that the right to freedom of speech is balanced by the responsibilities that are attached to those rights, e.g., the all-too obvious example that no one has the right to stand up in a crowded theatre and yell "Fire!" if there is no fire. All to say that I agree that as a community, we have a right to determine an appropriate use of the Internet as a vehicle. Verbosely yours, Gerry P.S. and yes, I'm keenly aware and appreciative of the tolerant nature of the EDA's that allows us all to express opinions openly. ------------------------------ From: Loomer Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:40:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: NJC-- Foolish games I was wondering..... I don't know about the rest of you but... Fooliswh Games kinda reminds me of tori am i crazy or what???? Later Loomer ------------------------------ From: Eric Garske Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:48:41 -0800 Subject: NJC: Rugburns at Ocean Brewery in Laguna Beach Hi all EDRB (Everday Rugburns), The Rugburns are scheduled to be at the Ocean Brewery in Laguana Beach on November 23th for the Mirco Brewery Festival. Tickets are $20 in advance. Tom... This is closer for you. ------------------------------ From: Thirza Pearl Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:56:12 +0100 Subject: STOP!!! Ok, Dont you think this Male/female argument has gone far enough? This is supposed to be a jewel mailing list, If you want to continue fighting i'm sure you can come together and set your own GIRL vs. BOY mailing list, but I would really apreciate it if you guys would stop these petty arguments. Oh, and another thing, These freedom of choice arguments are getting pretty tiring. If you dont mind could you please keep it to personal messages? Thank you, Thirza pearl P.S. PLEASE CONTACT ME IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE NEW YORK AREA THAT WILL BE GOING TO SEE JEWEL AT THE Z-100 JINGLE BALL ON DEC 5!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:00:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: AJC: Amusing Jewel Content Saw this in the alt.music.alternative.female group and thought you'd get a kick out of it. Jewel the Eskimo with (what was the phrase?) the magic power twins? From mtg124@psu.edu Tue Nov 12 11:57:56 MST 1996 Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative.female Subject: Re: Top 10 the most beautiful female singers 4)Jewel- best thing to come out of alaska since snow or baked alaska. She has those Eskimoish sort of facial features...deep eyes, slightly stubby nose, etc. Just a gorgeous face. Oh, and the rest of her ain't bad either. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #757 ***************************