From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #726 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Thursday, 31 October 1996 Volume 01 : Number 726 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: How not to receive Non Jewel Crap (NJC) Re: FIONA IN SF / ANI IN BERKELEY Re: JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" Njc, well it's list related Re: How not to receive Non Jewel Crap (NJC) Re: Njc, well it's list related AKIRA"S LEAVES... Re: JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" Re: Njc, well it's list related NJC: MIA njc vs jc *please read* Re: Very loose translation...JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" Re: EW thing Re: to all those who don't want to receive NJC Re: Njc, well it's list related Re[2]: to all those who don't want to receive NJC Re: Re[2]: to all those who don't want to receive NJC Excuse my blondeness.... LC what's all this hoopla? a reader's guide to NJC and JC (or how i spent my summer vacation) JC: Jessica/Emily ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chopped Liver Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:50:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: How not to receive Non Jewel Crap (NJC) I just notice that none of the posts in this thread have NJC in the subject line. Isn't it ironic? Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ From: aphrodite Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:45:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: FIONA IN SF / ANI IN BERKELEY You saw her LIVE?! I've been wondering since I got her CD if she would sound different live...but according to your report, I guess she doesn't. WOW! That's so COOL that you got to see her LIVE/got to speak with her. She reminds me of a darker, somber Jewel with an Alanis voice. I like all of her songs on the CD. Is there any bootleg stuff out there? Tell me if you know of any. Thanks! Priscilla pruiz@sdcc14.ucsd.edu ------------------------------ From: telliamed@juno.com (Pat Brown) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:00:10 EST Subject: Re: JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:52:20 -0700 (MST) Chopped Liver writes: > >So it's in Norweigian, at least its new about Jewel: > > Fra Alaska kommer den dr=F8yt 20 =E5r gamle Jewel Kilcher. Som >artist ^^ > ^^ Them too???? Dangit, we have *got* to petition Atlantic to update their website! - ---/- NJC: Re: How not to receive Non Jewel Neil MacDonald blurted out... >writing this is making me think about some of the choices I'm >making in my life. I never wanted to get into a situation where >I had so little time as to bitch about filtering through off >topic messages.... He wanted to be.... A LUMBERJACK!!! - ----- telliamed@juno.com ### All opinions expressed are yours. You have only yourself to blame. ### ------------------------------ From: Dollphini@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:54:36 -0500 Subject: Njc, well it's list related Hello, Okay, this is dumb, but I was wondering, how do you get digests in addittion to whatever it is I have now. Stupid Aol is expensive and I was gonna get wow cause it's unlimited, but in december its going to be unlimited access here too. Right now I'm (well actually my parents are) spending 20 bucks for 20 hours and that seems like a jip, and all the extra hours are 300 a piece. So I spent about 25 hours on line, then I figure its time to stop for the month, so about two weeks later, at the end of the month, I sign on and my mailbox is packed, So I sit there for four hours carefully reading all the posts, trying to catch up on whatever, and I'm new on the Alanis list too, and my mailbox is in turmoil!!!!! Someone, anyone please help me, I'm either really dense or really dumb, and well maybe its a combo of both. AMmy ------------------------------ From: kulisu@arn.net (Chris Pavek) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:24:37 -0700 Subject: Re: How not to receive Non Jewel Crap (NJC) Hrmm... I know that list servers can add a prefix to all the messages that are sent (i.e. "I'm a newbie" becomes "NJC: I'm a newbie") but the obvious problem is that everything comes as NJC when in fact it might just be JC. My question is... Can the servers recognize subjects and respond accordingly? (i.e. "I'm a newbie" becomes "NJC: I'm a newbie" but "JC: Jewel on vacation" remains the same) It would be much quicker to type JC on the messages that aren't NJC than visa-versa. Chris #!/bin/perl -sp0777i Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:36:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Njc, well it's list related At 01:54 PM 10/31/96 -0500, dollphini@aol.com wrote: >Hello, > > Okay, this is dumb, but I was wondering, how do you get digests in >addittion to whatever it is I have now. Stupid Aol is expensive and I was >gonna get wow cause it's unlimited, but in december its going to be unlimited >access here too. Right now I'm (well actually my parents are) spending 20 >bucks for 20 hours and that seems like a jip, and all the extra hours are 300 >a piece. So I spent about 25 hours on line, then I figure its time to stop >for the month, so about two weeks later, at the end of the month, I sign on >and my mailbox is packed, So I sit there for four hours carefully reading >all the posts, trying to catch up on whatever, and I'm new on the Alanis list >too, and my mailbox is in turmoil!!!!! Someone, anyone please help me, I'm >either really dense or really dumb, and well maybe its a combo of both. There is a simple solution. Get a *real* internet service provider and quit getting jerked around by AOL. There are bound to be several small ISPs in your area... check c|net (http://www.cnet.com) for a list in your area. They did a review of all ISPs in the country not long ago... but if you don't have the know-how and such or how to set up a TCP/IP stack or how to use Trumpet Winsock or DUN, then get something like Netcom, which has a software interface (and the mailbox doesn't have a limit on how many messages you can receive), and a built-in TCP/IP stack. Also Netcom is, and has been for quite some time, $20/month for unlimited access. **For all AOL subscribers**: I highly recommend checking out http://www.aolsucks.org for the inside scoop on how AOL rips people off and filters their costumers email and the class-action lawsuit against AOL for overbilling. Not to mention AOL is starting to fail. Last fiscal quarter they lost approximately $71 million dollars by losing thousands of subscribers each month (AOL currently has about 6 million subscribers) and by their marketing stragety, which seems to be something like "Every single person will be within 10 feet of an AOL disk at all times." Anyways, I was inspired to write this by all of AOL's problems I keep reading about on this and other lists, press reports, and AOL press releases. Sorry for the complete NJC-ness of this post but, damnit, I'm trying to make a difference. :) cya ~ christopher anderson ~ ~ nothing@tir.com ~ ~ www.tir.com/~nothing/ ~ ------------------------------ From: "Akira" Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:30:29 -0500 Subject: AKIRA"S LEAVES... Hi everyone.... Sorry I've been out of touch with all of you lately, but between all the crap being sent down on my recently and my account problems getting email, .... let's just say its been real hard. I've just been made aware that some of you haven't yet received your packages yet. I have taped and mailed a number of them already. The only one that I haven't sent yet... is G. Yanito, and that will go tomorrow. Otherwise I have sent all of your packages, and most of you should have received them by now. Please email me with your status sometime tonight (my email account is now working). Meanwhile I will go inquire at the College Post office about the packages. akira ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 16:55:30 EST Subject: Re: JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:00:10 EST Pat Brown said: > >---/- NJC: Re: How not to receive Non Jewel >Neil MacDonald blurted out... >>writing this is making me think about some of the choices I'm >>making in my life. I never wanted to get into a situation where >>I had so little time as to bitch about filtering through off >>topic messages.... > >He wanted to be.... A LUMBERJACK!!! > You know... I thought he was putting on women's clothing and hanging around in bars a bit to much. :) Dean "suspenders and a brar" Harris ------------------------------ From: Brenda Thorne Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:55:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Njc, well it's list related On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, nothing wrote: > At 01:54 PM 10/31/96 -0500, dollphini@aol.com wrote: > There is a simple solution. Get a *real* internet service provider > and quit getting jerked around by AOL. There are bound to be several small > ISPs in your area... check c|net (http://www.cnet.com) for a list in your > area. They did a review of all ISPs in the country not long ago... but if > you don't have the know-how and such or how to set up a TCP/IP stack or how > to use Trumpet Winsock or DUN, then get something like Netcom, which has a > software interface (and the mailbox doesn't have a limit on how many > messages you can receive), and a built-in TCP/IP stack. Also Netcom is, and > has been for quite some time, $20/month for unlimited access. > > **For all AOL subscribers**: I highly recommend checking out > http://www.aolsucks.org for the inside scoop on how AOL rips people off and > filters their costumers email and the class-action lawsuit against AOL for > overbilling. Not to mention AOL is starting to fail. Last fiscal quarter > they lost approximately $71 million dollars by losing thousands of > subscribers each month (AOL currently has about 6 million subscribers) and > by their marketing stragety, which seems to be something like "Every single > person will be within 10 feet of an AOL disk at all times." > AOL is feeling the pressure though. They are going to an unlimited package for $19.95 a month. The one thing you never hear people complain abour re: aol is the line:user ratio.... At least where I am the local isp's have terrible ratios and half your time is spent just trying to log on. If I wwere rich I'd go isdn in a minute. :) So as much as AOL is a rip at least you can get connected when you want to. Do you want to bet that when they drop their rates their line:user ratio gets worse? They'll do everything they can to make a buck. very bored (does it show?), Brenda ------------------------------ From: GraywolfLA@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:01:47 -0500 Subject: NJC: MIA My earthlink server has crashed, at least temporarily; I will be using this location for messages for a while. Larry "Jewel's mission on this planet is to deliver the message throughout the world -- in new and unexpected ways -- that we are all connected." -- graywolf ------------------------------ From: Luis Araujo Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:02:34 -0400 (AST) Subject: njc vs jc *please read* If it is not too much trouble to ask, please identify your message if it is NJC (non jewel content). Do this my placing a njc before you start entering your subject. If you reply to a message take a second and make sure it has a NJC in the subject line. If your message has Jewel content a JC at the beginning of the subject will do wonders. For the people who do not know what the NJC / JC at the beginning of the subject line is for please read. NJC and JC allow users to use their mail filters to send the non jewel content messages to the trash can if they are so inclined. There problem has caused to much stress for something that can be fixed with three small letters. Furthermore, doing this would make Mike Connels life a more peaceful and tranquil one :) What other reason do you need. Besides, the world would be a better place to live and you would be a better person for it. Check back and look back at all the users who take the time to identify their messages. They still live full happy lives for the most part. People who only want to read Jewel content are not leaving. People who love reading all the mail from the various angels are not going anywhere. So please start the subject by identifying what type of message it is!!! It's painless.. Regards, Luis ------------------------------ From: lforter@plains.nodak.edu (Lowell Fortner) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:21:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Very loose translation...JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 10:23:04 EST >From: Dean >Subject: Re: JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" >To: Everyday Angels >X-Mailer: MailBook 95.01.263 >Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org >X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-request@smoe.org" >X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. >Precedence: bulk >X-UIDL: bb0f795e10351c39f0f68a8995491fee > > >On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:52:20 -0700 (MST) Chopped Liver said: >> >> Fra Alaska kommer den dr=F8yt 20 =E5r gamle Jewel Kilcher. Som artist >> kaller hun seg bare Jewel, og hun er s=E5 hjemmekj=E6r at hun tar med se=g >> en boks med jord fra Alaska hver gang hun reiser p=E5 turn=E9. Jewel har >> sunget siden hun var seks =E5r, og har studert operasang. men frykt >> ikke. Hos "Wiese" vil hun spille visebasert flott pop. >> >Anyone out there able to translate? > > Here is a loose translation, my Norwegian is pretty rusty but this will give you a general idea of what it says. Due to the difference in keyboards I'm not sure about a couple words. >From Alaska comes the (?dr=F8yt) 20 year old Jewel Kilcher. This artist artist calls herself only 'Jewel', and she loves her home so much that she takes with herself a box with soil from Alaska every time she goes on the road. Jewel has sung ever since she was 6 years old and has studied opera. But fear not. At "Wiese" she will play (visebasert?) super pop. dr=F8yt could mean economical, going a long way, lasting, demanding, or tough none of these really made since so take your pick, or skip it. visebasert is a combination of 'aa vise' which means 'to show' and I think 'basere' which means 'base'. Hey! Create your own word :) Not the greatest translation in the world, but hey, it's not like I get to practice my Norwegian everyday here in America ;) Little Orphan Angel Cole (adopt him, he's nice) ------------------------------ From: Aaron Matthew Suever Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:05:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: EW thing Hey, just popping my head in for a moment. Haven't been around here much lately, but i did catch a few comments on the importance, or lack of it, of EW's opinion. I think Brett said that, for a non-industry mag, it's one of the most important voices. And that may be true. But I had a subscription for a while, and it didn't take me long at all to figure out that the people who write for that mag are often very mean-spirited, and very frequently not well-informed. especially the small pieces. like somebody had to write something about the topic, but they couldn't be bothered to actually check it out or do any research. So I wouldn't sweat a bad Jewel review. Gonzo ------------------------------ From: telliamed@juno.com (Pat Brown) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 01:15:34 EST Subject: Re: to all those who don't want to receive NJC On Thu, 31 Oct 96 15:45:30 EST hgladman@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au writes: >Jewel and RDT. Now I subscribe from work and I don't have download >time. It's >all just there for me so I'm not going to complain or whince at the >cost like I >used to. Also, I don't have time to belong to more than one or two >since I'm at >work and supposed to be busy anyway. > >So I guess what I'm saying is one of two things, maybe both things. If >you have >a problem with download time, just belong to a minimum of lists, or go >to Jewel >News. Simple as that. I'm happy with the way things are! > Actually, Helen dear, what you're *really* saying is that he should get a job where he can spend all this time reading mailing lists. ;-) - ----- telliamed@juno.com ### All opinions expressed are yours. You have only yourself to blame. ### ------------------------------ From: Raymond Wong Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:51:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Njc, well it's list related Dollphini@aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > > Okay, this is dumb, but I was wondering, how do you get digests in > addittion to whatever it is I have now. Stupid Aol is expensive and I was To subscribe to the digest, send mail to jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with "subscribe" in the message body. The digest is separate, so it won't unsubscribe you from the bouncing list. (I've been getting both for months... makes it a lot easier for me to delete posts that I don't have time to read right away, and still geta second chance when the digest arrives later) I don't like AOL, but I will point out that it does provide for "batch" mailing, where you pick up all the messages, disconnnect and read them offline, then connect to send your replies. You would only have paid for the time to download incoming, then the time to upload your replies. That would only take a few minutes a day, even when this list is really busy. > too, and my mailbox is in turmoil!!!!! Someone, anyone please help me, I'm > either really dense or really dumb, and well maybe its a combo of both. I'd say more a case of inexperienced... the net is a source of endless stuff. Being able to gain enjoyment from it and not being trapped by all the stuff you consider noise are skills you pick up as you learn what ways to manage incoming mail works for you. It's also possible you've reached the end of the useful utility of the email facilities AOL provides. Personally, after having tried many of the graphical mail programs like Eudora, I've found that good old ELM (a text based mail program from the net) actually allows more functionality for me, and is generally faster. The downside for most people is that they're not terribly comfortable in a unix shell environment. (Who am I kidding? most people are downright scared of unix... they spend time arguing about whether windoze is better than a macintoy... ;) just kidding, I have and still, at times, use all 3) Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl@netcom.com, negativl@best.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ From: hgladman@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:56:28 EST Subject: Re[2]: to all those who don't want to receive NJC >Actually, Helen dear, what you're *really* saying is that he should get a >job where he can spend all this time reading mailing lists. ;-) Oh OK. So maybe that's what I was saying! I try not to take too much advantage of having email and net access at work. I only belong to one list at work. This one. And I try to set aside specific time to read it - doesn't always happen since it comes all day anyway. But so far my boss has not been unhappy with my work. I still get it all done! Doesn't anyone else use their work account???? Helen ------------------------------ From: elvis Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:36:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Re[2]: to all those who don't want to receive NJC At 08:56 AM 11/1/96 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >>Actually, Helen dear, what you're *really* saying is that he should get a >>job where he can spend all this time reading mailing lists. ;-) > >Oh OK. So maybe that's what I was saying! I try not to take too much advantage >of having email and net access at work. I only belong to one list at work. This >one. And I try to set aside specific time to read it - doesn't always happen >since it comes all day anyway. But so far my boss has not been unhappy with my >work. I still get it all done! > >Doesn't anyone else use their work account???? > >Helen > Yeah, i use mine about 95% of the time for this list and I enjoy the NJC as much as the JC. I find most of the people on this list fun loving and sometimes even enjoy the bantering around as people dig deep into there intellect to come out with the most biting and profound comment. It takes all kinds to make this world turn and I think that holds true for this list also. elvis ------------------------------ From: Brenda Thorne Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 19:13:16 -0500 Subject: Excuse my blondeness.... I left out the NJC/JC so that everyone would read this and someone would help... Everyone keeps talking about setting filters to avoid NJC... how does one do that? I'm using Eudora Light as a mailer.... Help? Brenda - -- For a good time: http://www.resudox.net/~roxy/ ------------------------------ From: PAUL KYUSAM KIM Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 19:14:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: LC what's all this hoopla? a reader's guide to NJC and JC (or how i spent my summer vacation) as anyone who has been on this list for at least a couple weeks knows, i'm a sucker for an NJC/JC debate or discussion, whichever you feel it is. I won't charge into saying that one thing is right and something else is wrong. I'll restate my opinions on the matter and move on to another device that might help newbies who plunge into the world of mailing lists, this one in particular. njc and jc were developed a long time ago by ancient hermits working on smelting metallic ores...no no no. Well, the categories of NJC and JC were introduced sometime during the summer for the intentions that luis wrote about: to help people who didn't have enough time to track everything on the list (like Neil M). I personally see troubles with using NJC and JC, even though the idea is noble. I know that I have a tough time differentiating sometimes between whether what i write is NJC or JC; as i wrote in my post on oct 19 (digest number 688 or somewhere around there), i feel that if what you write can in anyway be linked to jewel (boot request, poetry, jewel sighting, lyric questions, how jewel has inspired you, stuff about the list like njc jc discussions) then it is jewel content. I know that nearly everyone has slightly to hugely different viewpoints on this, and that brings me to my point that there is not set standard for JC and NJC differentiation, and so there is no way that we could enforce or even optionally include NJC JC methods to the point that might be ideally pursued (as suggested in Luis' post). On both this list and the sarah list, i've noticed recently that there has been an influx of newbies (probably hugely related to the newfound net connections by students) and most of the newbies that join the lists tend to post a lot. They try to get everyone to know them so that they don't feel left out and newbie-like, so they respond to as many posts as possible, often publicly. I think that there should be some sort of basic guideline that is sent out with the FAQ about how mailing lists in general function, how to be courteous so that you don't become annoying, how to get into the flow of things. and while we're talking about the FAQ, who is now in charge of it? Adam? I think that we should send out three different parts of the FAQ whenever people join (and maybe four times a year to the list) so that people aren't daunted by the hugeness of it. The first part should just be list info like how to subscribe, unsubscribe, digest, news, and a basic overview of what happens on the list (and what NJC and JC mean). I think that this would be the essential part of the FAQ. Then the whole Jewel background thing could be the second part of the FAQ, and then the discography and tour stuff could be that last part. Ok. I think that's it for now. Paul "blue moon i saw you standing alone" kim ------------------------------ From: hgladman@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 11:48:33 EST Subject: JC: Jessica/Emily Look. Some Jewel content! So I'm listening to Rare Angels in the car this morning. I've only listened to it once before now and didn't listen too closely, and I notice that Jessica has whole chunks of the lyrics to Emily in it. Forgive me if this has been gone over before now, but it really interested me. I'm assuming the Jessica was written first? I sounds almost like a work in progress that later transformed into Emily which is *such* a gorgeous song! Does anyone know the story behind this? Has she ever introduced Emily saying, 'this song used to be called Jessica.' It's impossible to view these songs in isolation now. Emily is definitely the better song IMHO but does she ever perform Jessica now? Helen ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #726 ***************************