From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #725 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Thursday, 31 October 1996 Volume 01 : Number 725 Today's Subjects: ----------------- piercing santa Patti Rothberg Mailing List Piercing rare angels and a video Santa Exchange NJC Jewel live on norwegian tv NJC -- Santa Exchange. Re: Sand gets in my eye... FIONA IN SF / ANI IN BERKELEY NJC: Non-Jewel etc. Re: Adopt a Newbie, from the newest of nebies point of view NJC: Concerts:Patty Griffin/Carrie Newcomer Band, ladyslipper.org JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" Re: JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" njc Re: How not to receive Non Jewel Crap Re: NJC - Need some help here ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wrdavis@ite.net (Katherine Davis) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:52:36 -0800 Subject: piercing santa about Toni's piercings ************ Yeah Toni!! Pierce your head up! I'm glad that you have meaning behind your holes. Can I have a picture of you? I want to see what all the hoops and poles look like! ;) I've been thinking about piercing my tongue..... ************* about the santa issue ************* it's a good idea to have a cap but not a range. presents from the heart mean more than $$ presents. i posted about how the money issue was a problem for me because i'm still a kid and money is never stable. there's also alot of other ppl i have to buy for. i'm not trying to be cheap--if i have alot of money to spend, i'll spend it, but you never know. i realize the range is a good idea for the old adults (no offense ;) because they have INCOME and have alot more money than the kids on the list but!!!!!!!!! fact of the matter is: i'm going to sign up. no one's going to know EXACTLY what you paid and actually check! heart gifts heart gifts heart gifts that's the limit. buy a heart gift. nothing more or less. (Jewel tapes are definitely heart gifts!!!) love you all and i hope when the package gets to my person they won't see Kerry and Guam on the package and be dissappointed because YOU WON'T BE! love, kerry HAPPY HALLOWEEN! I'm eatin all my candy!! mmmmmmyumm! ------------------------------ From: Linus Gelber Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 01:58:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Patti Rothberg Mailing List The Patti Rothberg mailing list (as yet digest-only, and rather clumsy) is held by Bill Kelly . Email him for subscribing info. Ciao - Linus - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linus Gelber linus@panix.com Brooklyn, N.Y.C. - -o-<< WASTE cyrano@nycbeer.org Peripheral Visionary - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Linus Gelber Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:18:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Piercing Anent Toni's well-stated post: To my elder eyes, piercing has gotten a little out of hand, and I'm certain a lot of people are going to shake their heads at it one day. But that is a rite of passage, and knowing that it is so isn't going to change anything. I'm looking forward to my first piercing (not facial), which I had wanted to have done by a friend of mine in New Mexico. Don't know when that will come about, but when it does it will be important. I may even have it done commercially, but it will be important nevertheless. For my own mostly ill-formed spiritual reasons, I'd prefer to have it done for caring or for barter, rather than impersonally and for cash. Back in somewhat tamer times, I got the first of my two small tattoos. A lot of my friends were horrified and talked about how hard it would be to get it removed. But, like Toni, I regarded it as a symbol of a time: a piece which meant something to me, would become part of me, and would remind me always of where I was back then, in some way of who I was back then. It's been over a decade since it was done (near a decade on the second one) and I have never once regretted it. Never. It is intrinsic to me now. I don't even see it on my chest any more: it is part of who I am, and a sign of who I was. The second tattoo, for many reasons, I got on my back where I see it only rarely. That too has worked fine. I'm about ready for another, but need to find the right sign and the right place for it. The entire East Village is walking around these days with bars and hoops through every flap and wrinkle; that's misuse of the body, in many ways. The same with the endless faux-Celtic armband tattoos that everyone is doing these days. But the body is one of the few things you need to own, personally and sometimes publicly. A deeply-felt piercing, I think, like a meaningful tattoo, is one way of writing time onto the skin, on your own terms and for your own ends. Lip rings look pretty stupid on some people; that's how you know it was badly done, for passing reasons. On other people I find them impossibly fascinating and sexy. Even wearing earrings well takes time, and that's the only way to find out how deep the roots of it run. Ciao - Linus - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linus Gelber linus@panix.com Brooklyn, N.Y.C. - -o-<< WASTE cyrano@nycbeer.org Peripheral Visionary - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: wrdavis@ite.net (Katherine Davis) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:15:12 -0800 Subject: rare angels and a video hey angels, i was reading over the FAQ and i noticed a sentence: "Jewel has actually received a copy of the first Rare Angels tapes..." first? tapes? plural? is there 1st and 2nd editions? what's the difference? different songs? i only have one... another FAQ sentence: "A video compilation of Jewel's various TV appearances is also being compiled." Who's putting this together? When can we expect it? anxious to know, kerry ------------------------------ From: Charles M Spangler Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:30:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Santa Exchange NJC I think Brenda has the right idea about the whole money thing. If people are worried that they might not get as expensive a gift as someone else or as the one they themselves sent out then the whole idea of this is gone astray. This should be more about giving and not caring about dollar amounts...am I right? Of course a $25 gift in exchange for a $5 gift my seem skewed but so what. This is just supposed to be fun right? :) Let's just say that no gift can be over $20 or $25 without postage and no less than $5. I am sure most people will try to find a gift around $10 to $15. Anyway.....the good thing is that this list is cool enough to do such things right? :) Matt "I can't wait to get my gift. ;)" Spangler ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:34:22 -0500 Subject: Jewel live on norwegian tv I don't know if this got cross-posted from ecto, so here you go... >Sender: owner-ecto@clairseach.ecto.org >Reply-To: Yngve.Hauge@hiMolde.no > >Hi you all, > >Last Saturday evening Jewel performed Who Will Save You now >live on the norwegian channel NRK I. Is this the beginning of >some european promotion - I really hope so. > >Yngve >-- >________________________________________________________________ >Yngve Hauge | __ ___ __ | | _ >www: http://www.himolde.no/~yngveh/ |-- | | | ||-- |_||| |_ >Irc-nick: One Alien, (_)Yngve_ |__ |__ | |__|| | |||_|_ ------------------------------ From: Charles M Spangler Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:42:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: NJC -- Santa Exchange. Ok...now I feel like a total putz. I just read the complete unabridged rules for the exchange and so now my earlier message about how to handle spending amounts looks pretty ignorant. Won't happen again...I hope. :) Matt "I should read before I write" Spangler *----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Your overconfidence is your weakness." -Luke Skywalker *----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: telliamed@juno.com (Pat Brown) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:41:20 EST Subject: Re: Sand gets in my eye... On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 the infamous Dennis Harris was crying about... >Well, JewelStockers will certainly confirm that I was a little hyped >toward >the end of the Friday night show (ie, shouting out "That's Deep, >Jewel!" >toward the end of her rambling hair-memory/music-blinker story and >instigating a near-riot prior to the third encore). But when she >acknowledged >the clan presence, lovingly damned us and took my request, it wasn't >easy >holding back the tears. "1000 Miles Away" is a heart-rending song, and >you'd >have to be dead not to be affected by it. And it's been said before by >many >of us on the list, but yeah, I swear Jewel and I made prolonged eye >contact. >(Enough that you guys seemed to totally disappear for awhile.) Jewel >has >affected me before, only this time, there was an eerie calm, and she >seemed >to look a little blurry. > I must say this is rather concerning, Dennis. While it's well known on the list that many people look up to and revere Miss Kilcher, enough to refer to her as "a goddess" on certain occasions, but this revelation that you believe her capable of passing eternal judgement is something entirely different. I can conclude from your admission of being high at the end of the Friday night show, inciting a riot, and cooperating in a gang affair that you have been dealing in illegal controlled substances; possibly hallucinagenic in nature. This is supported by your accounts of loss of emotional stability, delusions of physical pain, your hallucination of the crowd dissappearing, and numbness and distorted vision. This is no mere "pot-head," ladies and gentlemen. This man is as dangerous to the heart and soul of America as that renegade doctor, Timothy Leary; possibly even a greater threat. We at the Bureau will not rest until he is safely behind bars. P.S. About getting sand kicked in your eyes. You should read Charles Atlas's book, "I Was a 96-Pound Weakling." - ----- telliamed@juno.com ### All opinions expressed are yours. You have only yourself to blame. ### ------------------------------ From: The Rumble Guy Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 01:37:46 -0800 Subject: FIONA IN SF / ANI IN BERKELEY Hey you guys! I'm posting this to all the lists I'm on, cuz I know there are Fiona Apple fans on all of 'em. Especially on the Fiona list ;) (By the by, NJC=No Jewel Content, NAR=Not Alanis-Related.) I just got back from Fiona Apple's concert at Bimbo's 365 Club in San Fran, and I got pretty much nothing but good stuff to report. First off, if anybody had any doubts about how she sounds live, let me assure you, she sounds AWESOME. It was really something hearing the first words out of her mouth when she opened the concert with "The Child Is Gone", because she has this sort of deep, rich quality to her voice. Vocally, she reminds me of Alanis in that her voice is sort of raw and untrained, but beautiful nonetheless, and in large part due to her deeply visceral style of expression. The only unfortunate thing is that she rarely varies from the vocalizations she uses on the album, i.e. there is little fluctuation in her intonation from the album. She pretty much sounds exactly like she does on the album. Some of the guys I've heard from recently have been saying how cute she is. In person, she's skinny. Not bad skinny, mind you, but good skinny. It's kinda cool, y'know, how you kinda learn more about a person and somehow that makes them more attractive in your eyes, like you suddenly notice something you hadn't before? Welp, that's her. She's one of those ones. Not that she's not beautiful anyway, but even more so methinks after seeing her live. But man is she thin. Thin and beautiful. Further. Her demeanor. All of the interviews I've read seem to emphasize the fact that she's exceptionally insightful at such a tender age, having just turned 19. But on stage, she really does act about the way you'd expect a 19 year old girl to act -- i.e. she does NOT carry herself with the demeanor of someone twice her age. I think it should be clarified that she is perhaps as INSIGHTFUL as someone twice her age (which is where she reminds me of Jewel), but that needs to be distinguished from her demeanor, because she certainly doesn't carry herself with the maturity of someone twice her age (and I think that is to her credit -- nobody needs to grow up too fast). Another way that she reminds me of Jewel is how she tells stories before some of her songs, which are usually the segue into the songs. One of her main strengths is her ability to clearly express what she feels from the deepest reaches of her soul (certainly not unlike Alanis and Jewel). I believe that is a defining characteristic of any great artist. I bought another copy of her CD at the show, because if you bought one you got 2 passes to an autograph session after the show. So now I got 2 autographed copies of her CD. (I WIN, BABY!!!) When it was my turn to say hi, I asked her, "so you really don't think that L.A. is a pit of despair?" "It can be, if you're not from there" she replied, and asked back "were you born here (S.F.)?" I responded, "well, I was raised here, but I lived in L.A. for 6 years, I went to college there" and she said "it's a hard place to adjust to." I just kinda agreed with her and told her to take care. She's cool. Not what I expected, really, but she IS cool. For the show she played every song on the album except Carrion (which I could see skipping, since I pretty much skip it every time I listen to it). The set list (methinks) was: 1. The Child Is Gone 2. Sullen Girl 3. Sleep To Dream 4. The First Taste 5. Shadowboxer 6. Slow Like Honey 7. Pale September 8. Criminal Encore: Never Is A Promise (solo, without band) The encore, Never Is A Promise, was AWESOME. She actually made it into volt's hair-raising club (which is when I'm so terribly impressed and moved by the beauty of a performance that the good old autonomic nervous system takes over and makes all the hair on my arms stand up). Believe it or else, there are VERY few performances that can actually do that to me (and I certainly can't do it spontaneously). Those sort of performances have to touch me in a very profound manner to elicit that sort of involuntary response, and they are generally very awe-inspiring. And that pretty much covers her encore. Okay, now that I've bored you all to death with my Fiona concert experience, let me just end by saying I'm completely sold on the entire Fiona Apple package, cuz she's really a talent to be reckoned with. If you get the chance, go see her in concert. I doubt you'll be disappointed. - ---- On another note, I saw Ani DiFranco this past weekend in Berkeley (thanks again Tom!), although I'm not as enthused about that show as I am about Fiona. But she's awesome too. No hair standing on end tho. By the time her concert was at its completion, pretty much everyone around was dancing and generally rocking out with Ani. She's a really good guitarist, and also quite an excellent performer (as good as any I've seen, really). I don't own any of her albums, but after attending that show, you can bet I'm gonna remedy that situation really soon. Okay, I'm out. volt ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:34:20 -0500 Subject: NJC: Non-Jewel etc. Greeting NJC Debaters! An option for Neil (and anyone else who may not have considered this): Subscribe to both the News and Digest versions of the Jewel list. You'll get the important news right away, even if you fall behind on reading everything else. And if you get really busy with life's other details you can always (gasp) delete some unread digests, knowing that the news items still made it to you. It's a pretty decent compromise for those who want more than the news, but feel overwhelmed by all the posts on the regular list. Best, Dan - ------------------------------ DAN STARK danstark@mnsi.net Windsor, Ontario, Canada - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: lforter@plains.nodak.edu (Lowell Fortner) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 05:34:21 -0600 Subject: Re: Adopt a Newbie, from the newest of nebies point of view >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 19:32:03 -0500 >From: JEWELFAN22@aol.com >To: jewel@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Adopt a Newbie, from the newest of nebies point of view >Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org >X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-request@smoe.org" >X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. >Precedence: bulk >X-UIDL: 36ec03c5554cb5aae68e7deafd750d29 > >Selena wrote:: >> Oh... and are you aware of the initiation process? >>You hafta get naked and run around your neighborhood screaming.. >>or singing.. "do you hate me 'cause I'm pieces of you" >> These are Liz's rules. > >Yes they are and I am very strict about them...NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! ;-) > Liz "who is having a little fun with the newbies but really loves >them" Clark > > > Y'all will have to figure out a new initiation for me, cause I've been running through my neighbourhood nekkid and singing that every evening since I bought 'Pieces of You' :} Except for tonite, cause it's -18F windchill and blizzarding outside *brrrr* Please adopt me, Cole the wingless angel ------------------------------ From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:50:08 -0600 Subject: NJC: Concerts:Patty Griffin/Carrie Newcomer Band, ladyslipper.org Happy Halloween all - been meaning to get this out for a couple of days now - better late than never... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ St. Louis had been in a bit of a drought, tour stop-wise, though Ani DiFranco stopping by the Friday before last put a quick end to that (spectacular - if you at all enjoy her music do NOT miss a live show - this list is starting to sound like a broken record WRT Ani... ). So it figures that after a drought the rain comes in waves and sure enough - two shows I really wanted to see in one night. Last Thursday saw Patty Griffin opening for the Badlees at the Galaxy and across town the Carrie Newcomer Band at Off Broadway. But since the show at the Galaxy was scheduled to start at 8:30 with Patty opening and the show at Off Broadway was to start at 9:00 with someone opening for the Carrie Newcomer Band, I figured I'd give it a shot. 8:30 came and went, as did 8:45 and 9:00 and Patty still wasn't out. The crowd had swelled from the 10 of us who were there when the doors opened to about 50 by 8:30 and by 9:00 a whole 125-150 were attempting to fill a club that can easily hold 800. Around 9:10 or so Patty finally came out. To set the stage, the Galaxy is your typical dingy warehouseish bar/club with lots of open area and a sound system geared more towards being able to pump out sternum-vibrating frequencies at painful levels. The bar is off to the not-too-far left and the soundboard is against the wall across the room from the 3-foot high stage, surrounded by a few high tables and barstools where everyone had congregated while waiting for the show to start. There were only about 5 of us who made our way to the large open area in front of the stage when Patty started walking from the green room to the stage, everyone else stayed contently in the shadows. Though as it turned out there were some enthusiastic fans in the back as well, it couldn't have been an inspiring sight from Patty's eyes. Backing up a bit further, due to circumstances beyond my control, I had to miss her early this year when she came through with Jann Arden. Then Jewelstock comes along and I'm feeling bad enough about not being able to make it and it's announced that Patty will be opening. Fate wasn't content to just kick me in the teeth - it had to kick me while I was down, too. I still remember my head hitting my desk when I saw Mike's post that she'd be opening. Back to the present (or recent past, anyway)... The show was short, but very good - not great. She just seemed to gaze off into the distance - maybe that's just her style - but she seemed so _distant_ just 6 feet away. Like I said, it certainly couldn't have been an energy-inspiring atmosphere for a performer. Or perhaps my anticipation had just grown too large. Anyway: "You Change(d)"? Little help here please - it sounded strangely familiar, but I haven't been able to place it. She was having montior troubles through some of it. Lyrics included: ".... Somewhere out in the wild, wild, west .... And now there's no name for you Come to find out none of that shit was even true But now there's no name for you" Moses Sweet Lorraine Mad Mission Every Little Bit Wishing Well Cain Forgiveness Needless to say, despite a handful of people's enthusiastic applause and whistles, there was no encore. And with the watch reading almost 10:00, there was no time to stick around and meet/thank/apolgize for St. Louis' apparent lack of interest. I figured I'd better scoot. - -------------- bob scampers across town ------------------------------ The Galaxy vs. Off Broadway? Night and day. Fortunately even as late as I was, the opening band was just leaving the 6 inch high stage as I walked in. Unfortunately, I wound up in the back since the place was packed - which in this intimate venue means all of 150-200 people. I don't know how all 6 people (and their equipment) fit on that tiny stage but they did and it was great. Two roughly 50 minute sets separated by an intermission. Carrie and company were marvelous. She was very talkative, quite humorous and in great form. With the final encore she even hopped off stage and started dancing with a couple of random guys in the crowd (I'd managed to work my way closer, but not close enough...;) It didn't matter though. Also in stark contrast to Patty at the Galaxy, I felt right next to them from the back of the room. ). I could ramble on and on, but this is getting long enough. Not to pidgeonhole things, but her first 3 albums are definately in the folk realm - still trying to decide what to make of her new one - none of them are as good as she was live that night. Anyway, for anyone wanting to check them out, November will take her and the band through Ohio, Indiana, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, and Colorado. See http://www.carrienewcomer.com Finally, to check out some of Carrie's music (and hundreds of other obscure and not-so-obscure female artists/female-fronted groups - I'm surprised the site hasn't been mentioned here before... - Jewel is there (with a nice review), though Patty isn't) check out http://www.ladyslipper.org. No relation - not even a customer (yet), just a happy sample downloader... ;) bob ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:52:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" So it's in Norweigian, at least its new about Jewel: Fra Alaska kommer den dr=F8yt 20 =E5r gamle Jewel Kilcher. Som artist kaller hun seg bare Jewel, og hun er s=E5 hjemmekj=E6r at hun tar med se= g en boks med jord fra Alaska hver gang hun reiser p=E5 turn=E9. Jewel har sunget siden hun var seks =E5r, og har studert operasang. men frykt ikke. Hos "Wiese" vil hun spille visebasert flott pop. I got this off the NKR web site. "Wiese" seems to be a talk show hosted by Claus Wiese. From what I could figure our, Tracy Bonham was on the same day. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 10:23:04 EST Subject: Re: JC Jewel on NKR1's "Wiese" On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:52:20 -0700 (MST) Chopped Liver said: > > Fra Alaska kommer den dr=F8yt 20 =E5r gamle Jewel Kilcher. Som artist > kaller hun seg bare Jewel, og hun er s=E5 hjemmekj=E6r at hun tar med se=g > en boks med jord fra Alaska hver gang hun reiser p=E5 turn=E9. Jewel har > sunget siden hun var seks =E5r, og har studert operasang. men frykt > ikke. Hos "Wiese" vil hun spille visebasert flott pop. > Anyone out there able to translate? ------------------------------ From: Luis Araujo Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 10:40 EST Subject: njc Re: How not to receive Non Jewel Crap Well, the best way to help yourself out might be to get your email program to automatically filter out njc messages. As I said before, with eudora you can send any message that starts with njc straight to the garbage. There are a fair amount of people that type njc on their subject line so it just a matter of setting up your filters on email. The only other thing that we could is ask people who have related Jewel information to type jc before the subject. I guess if only 10% of messages are jewel related it is easier to make sure that there is a jc in front of it. You could up the priority on messages starting with jc and discard the rest. It is easy to do but you have to spend some time setting up your filters. I believe that if everyone started the subject with either a njc (non jewel content) or a jc (jewel content) everyone could live in perpetual harmoney. I think that it is the only solution that would keep both sides happy. The biggest problem is to get everyone to be curtious and start typeing NJC or JC before a message. Just my 2 1/2 cents. Luis At 12:54 AM 10/31/96 -0500, Neil MacDonald wrote: > Anywaaays, to sum up, because I can be a real windy bastard and i want to >spare you all the agony of listening to one of my lectures; next time you >post a NJC message, just please keep in mind the people who subscribe to the >list who have very little time in their personal life, but who LOVE JK and >want to know what's up with her. We download your messages and filter >through them and that takes time. Something I personally lack. > >< ------------------------------ From: Reggev Michael Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:40:56 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: NJC - Need some help here How about 'Little Sister'? It's right to one of the points. 42, Tuff On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 hgladman@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au wrote: > How abou;t 'Papa Don't Preach'? It meant something to me when I was fifteen...?? > > Helen > _______________________________________________________________________________ > Subject: NJC - Need some help here > From: Fuzzy & Piglet at mgdestmx01 > Date: 30/10/96 7:28 PM > > my girlfriend is working on a program at her clinic for teenagers and she is > looking for songs that deal with abstinance, teen pregnancy, sexually > transmitted diseases, AIDs, abortion, anything along that line. AllI can > come up with is a couple of Ani DiFranco songs, anyone know of others? > She's is mainly looking for popular songs, but any will do, plus she would > like the lyrics, not neccisarily the actual song. > thanks all, > Robb > "Timeis an enormous long river, and I am standing in it" - Utah Phillips > Robb's Editorial and Writings http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rleigh/robb.html > updated 10/1/96 > rleigh@vt.edu, IRC nickname Purple21 > > ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #725 ***************************