From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #657 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Monday, 7 October 1996 Volume 01 : Number 657 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: It was Rafa she was reffering to!! Re: It was Rafa she was reffering to!! Re: The AudioNet show - 5pm CDT & Archived Jewel's wanna-bes? Re: Jewel's wanna-bes? Re: Jewel's wanna-bes? Re: It was Rafa she was reffering to!! Re: Romeo and Juliet Misc. Jewel questions Re: Picture Proposal: census Misc. Jewel questions LJC: Re: Misc. Jewel questions Re: Houston Jewel Broadcast re: Nirvana in R&R Hall of Fame Re: Nirvana in R&R Hall of Fame NJC : hey, all those drummer jokes! NJC: I'm sorry to see Paul go NJC:The way I speed up list reading NJC:Drummer jokes NJC? LJC? I don't have the strength anymore...& Swedish Song Re: Picture Proposal: census ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sinjin@ecn.com Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 22:13:22 -0700 Subject: Re: It was Rafa she was reffering to!! EDA's, Ok, the jokes' gone on too long. Now I'm gonna have to spoil it. It's time to fess up that the whole Costa Rica/Puerto Rico/Rafa/"Everything Breaks" thing was just a joke on poor Rafa. Jewel never even sang the song, as those with your Jewelstock tapes already know. >:) hehehehehehe-- Sinjin@ecn.com Lifeguard, Philosopher, Poet...compulsive liar City of Angels JS96 ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 22:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: It was Rafa she was reffering to!! Sinjin, You are way too cruel on that poor boy. Way too cruel. Tom > Ok, the jokes' gone on too long. Now I'm gonna have to spoil > it. It's time to fess up that the whole Costa Rica/Puerto > Rico/Rafa/"Everything Breaks" thing was just a joke on poor Rafa. > Jewel never even sang the song, as those with your Jewelstock tapes > already know. > >:) hehehehehehe-- > Sinjin@ecn.com > Lifeguard, Philosopher, Poet...compulsive liar > City of Angels > JS96 ------------------------------ From: Leave the shadows dancing Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 02:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The AudioNet show - 5pm CDT & Archived I think the lab is suppsoed to be open 'till 8pm EST, so tell Jewel to go on at 5pm CST and to finish at 6:55pm CST! :> eheheh =) Damn..and I stupidly assumed EST. *thwap gerrit* Gerrit - --------- From: IN%"RoninAM@worldnet.att.net" "Crash Boy" 6-OCT-1996 23:24:05.62 6-OCT-1996 23:24:00.00 To: IN%"jewel@smoe.org" CC: Subj: The AudioNet show - 5pm CDT & Archived their web site has archived shows, so i have no doubt that this show will be archived for those that will miss it, like me, because... the show is at 5pm CENTRAL time, and i have to work 'til 4:30pm Eastern time, which pretty much means i'll miss it. oh well. so, i doubt Gerrit will miss it. Remember, everyone 5pm CDT!!! eric :) ------------------------------ From: Uilleann Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 08:14:24 -0400 Subject: Jewel's wanna-bes? It's a little documented, and flimsy 'fact' that any musician who produces a groundswell, grassroots success accompanied with a unique style, as I'm sure you folks would mostly all agree to in the case of Jewel, produces a new 'genre' or style of music after them (witness Nirvana & the rest of the Northwest US crowd) Question - will there be Jewel 'wanna-bes'? Will they sing like they have to pee and tour not in greyhound tour busses but in broken down VW's? Will this trend become the new plaid fad? - -Jeffrey- "Who will sa-ave Bob Dole... When it comes to election day... who will--who will-who will save Bob Dole? Take a look at the polls, boy." - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 05:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Jewel's wanna-bes? > It's a little documented, and flimsy 'fact' that any musician who > produces a groundswell, grassroots success accompanied with a unique > style, as I'm sure you folks would mostly all agree to in the case of > Jewel, produces a new 'genre' or style of music after them (witness > Nirvana & the rest of the Northwest US crowd) > > Question - will there be Jewel 'wanna-bes'? Will they sing like they > have to pee and tour not in greyhound tour busses but in broken down > VW's? Will this trend become the new plaid fad? Aside from the mistaken idea that Nirvana produced the Seattle "grunge" sound (which is patently false), I think you will find alot of musicians who will have similar styles to jewel. I think this is more due to two possibilities. 1) With Jewel's success, record companies will be more likely to sign and promote singers with a similar style. 2) Jewel's sensibilities come from a certain time and certain influences. She did not develop completely in a vacuum. Therefore, there will be musicians with a similar style and sensibility, that developed seperately, without exposure to Jewel. This is not to deny thta there are always fakers who will copy whatever the latest hit is, but not all the grunge bands who followed Nirvana's national exposure were descendants nor knock-off's of them, and the same phenomenon will probably be seen with Jewel, or No Doubt, or any other band with a big hit. It's simply the nature of the record game. And now back to the funny papers... Tom ------------------------------ From: Uilleann Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 08:45:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Jewel's wanna-bes? Tom Proven wrote: > Aside from the mistaken idea that Nirvana produced the Seattle "grunge" > sound (which is patently false), I think you will find alot of musicians > who will have similar styles to jewel. Oh, I agree! Nirvana just was in the right place at the 'right' time - nirvana, however, did bring 'grunge' to the national conciousness, and among mainstream commentators is considered the 'parents' of grunge for this reason. I know there are many fine musicians with styles similar to Jewel, but will a 'breakthrough' artist (by breakthrough meaning not revolutionary, but bringing a style of music to the national conciousness) have 'coat-tails' on which other musicians of the newly defined genre ride to stardom? > I think this is more due to two > possibilities. 1) With Jewel's success, record companies will be more > likely to sign and promote singers with a similar style. 2) Jewel's > sensibilities come from a certain time and certain influences. She did > not develop completely in a vacuum. Therefore, there will be musicians > with a similar style and sensibility, that developed seperately, without > exposure to Jewel. Why is sensebility and depth and uniqueness in music only for those in the 'underground', the undiscovered? I agree with point 1 - following the success of any new music there is a push to make money on knock-offs. 2 - Is Jewel's sensebility and style the source of her mainstream success? Her success with me is due to those factors, but your answer to this question is dependant upon how you feel about the first question posed in this paragraph. > of them, and the same phenomenon will probably be seen with Jewel, or No > Doubt, or any other band with a big hit. It's simply the nature of the > record game. Surely - I guess my question would not only be the discussion of this John Travolta (phenom. heh) but has anyone noticed anything on the horizon of this nature? That would help define the relative 'importence' of a performer (Nirvana wasn't the first, but they were the first known by middle-america, that's why they're in the Rock & Roll Hall O' Fame) - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 08:52:17 EST Subject: Re: It was Rafa she was reffering to!! On 06 Oct 96 17:17:39 EDT you said: > > Dear Angels: > > It was me Jewel was reffering to at Jewelstock!!! There is >no one here from Costa Rica and if there were it wouldn't be him for I was the >guy that requested "Everything Breaks". There should be no doubt in anyone's >mind that Jewel was referring to. She confused Costa for Puerto that's all. >So yes , she knows I exist. ************************** And boy is she scared shitless now that she has this information. :) Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 09:05:08 EST Subject: Re: Romeo and Juliet On Sat, 5 Oct 1996 04:38:46 -0700 (PDT) you said: >No, we're not back on the thread of Jwel performing Shakespeare. :-) Hey!!! I started that thread. :) Got a lot of positive response too. >I seem to remember that Jewel mentioned (at JS?) that she had written a >song for the new movie Romeo and Juliet. It was supposed to be recorded >by Desiree (I think), but was rejected for some reason. What was the >song? And did she record it herself yet? TIA. >Looks like a cool movie still. :-) > Anyway... I don't remember the name of the song, but I do remember her performing it at JS. She said something to the effect of her wanting to prove the lady who said it "sucked" wrong by making the song a hit. Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: ROBERT HAUGHT Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 09:58:41 PDT Subject: Misc. Jewel questions I'm beginning to think that you guys are kidding with me about the YWMFM video. If there really is one, why haven't I seen it????????? I HAVE BEEN GLUED TO VH1 AND CAN'T FIND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guess I better start sticking tapes in on the SLP mode and review later. About the JS tapes----------- Who does the intros before she starts the poetry?? I'm going to Gainesville Thursday, anybody got an opinion about bringing = a camera. I've got a call in to UF about it but if they don't call me = back.................. My experience tells me that most artists don't care about flash pictures = being snapped 200 feet away, but if I show up in the front row with my = 210mm lens..........hmmmm. Years ago - one of Joan Jett's "bouncers" tapped me on the shoulder and said "GIVE ME YOUR FILM!!" (Isneaked back = later and got some great shots - than ran like he%*) Bob "the best things in life aren't things" ------------------------------ From: Reggev Michael Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:14:16 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: Picture Proposal: census I have to second Alexander on this one. While it may be useful for you foreigners to do this, I'm not sure about us guys here in the Eastern hemosphere. Tuff On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Alexander Stamou wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote: > > > This is what I think: > > > > Every EDA should have his/her picture in the yearbook. There are a lot > > of reasons why this would be helpful. One is that it would help new > > EDA's find other EDA's at concerts. Telling someone what you'll be > > wearing, etc. is helpful, but that description could fit many different > > people. However, a mental image of one's face along with clothing > > descriptions would help ten fold. Mental imagery is the best formof > > recognition. There's no reason to be shy. We're all friends here, aren't > > we? > > Are we? :) Let's vote. All in favor of me sending a picture of myself > raise your hands. And then bring them down along with your fingers on the > correct keys ofyour keyboard. It's hard to scan pictures in Sweden, you > see. Because of the cold (and the wolves & dolphins, right Charlie?), you > see. So I have to know it's worth it. > > > Whaddya say? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to recognize your fellow > > EDA's without having to go through that awkward, > > "Uh, what's yor name? I'm Bob." scenario? > > I don't think that would be a problem, though...you don't go to Sweden on > your vacations, do you? :) > > > -Blaine "just tryin' to make a difference" Sanders > > And that "" thing was my idea, you know. Not really, but still...:) > > /Alexander "My name isn't Bob." Stamou > ------------------------------ From: Greg Dunn Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:17:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Misc. Jewel questions "ROBERT HAUGHT said:" > > About the JS tapes----------- > Who does the intros before she starts the poetry?? Dan Stark, Mike Connell, and Akira all speak. > My experience tells me that most artists don't care about flash pictures = > being snapped 200 feet away I wouldn't care either -- few flashes will provide any useful illumination beyond about 60 feet. :-) I always get a chuckle out of the people in Row ZZ popping away with their Instamatics. They probably get lovely exposures of the back of the people sitting in front of them... - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | GregDunn@aol.com | knowledge is not wisdom; | | GregDunn@indy.net | wisdom is not truth." | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn/ | Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ From: Raymond Wong Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LJC: Re: Misc. Jewel questions (LJC = Low Jewel Content, since much of the questions or at least, my answers, don't tie directly to Jewel.) ROBERT HAUGHT wrote: > About the JS tapes----------- > Who does the intros before she starts the poetry?? According to the J-cards, it was Dan, Akira and Mike. =) (again, great job on the J-cards, Dennis!) > I'm going to Gainesville Thursday, anybody got an opinion about bringing = > a camera. I've got a call in to UF about it but if they don't call me = > back.................. As long as they don't see a flash go off, you can often get away with saying you haven't taken any pics yet. ;) It's pretty rare that cameras are allowed, for some reason, so discretion is a good thing. Most of my friends who never get hassled use compact point'n'pray cameras. ASA 400 or 800 film usually works well enough for them. Too bad the only zoom compacts are always so much darker than the fixed focal compacts, which always seem to use 35 or 38mm lenses. Now, if you can get word that cameras are okay with them, I'd ask about dragging a bipod and using some ASA 25/50/100 with something in the 200mm range or so. :) (Actually, I'd still use 400 or so, since most artists like to move a lot) > My experience tells me that most artists don't care about flash pictures = > being snapped 200 feet away, but if I show up in the front row with my = Umm, true enough, but why would someone use a flash 200 feet away? Not like it's gonna be any use. :) > 210mm lens..........hmmmm. Years ago - one of Joan Jett's "bouncers" > tapped me on the shoulder and said "GIVE ME YOUR FILM!!" (Isneaked back = > later and got some great shots - than ran like he%*) Is this because you were up close, do you think, or because you looked too much like some unauthorized 'pro?' Besides, isn't this why you use a whole buncha 12 exposure rolls, and take a couple of each composed shot? That way you only turn over a few pics, and keep the other rolls. Seriously, when I was at the House of Blues (Hollywood) last year (Aug. 95), there was a lady with 3 bodies and about 5 lenses hanging off of her right up in the front, who never got hassled, but several people further back got "Put away the camera, bro! Put it in your pocket or something, or I'm taking it away!" orders. Of course, there was a rumor that she of much Nikon was with the record label (EMI, this was a Debbie Gibson concert), but I'm used to label photographers getting backstage passes. I guess there weren't any passes this time, since it was a really last minute concert, so we may never know. The cool part was, later on in the show, she had some audience members on stage, in an impromptu (and it showed) attempt to do the song Summer Nights (from Grease) with her friend Ricky Paull Goldin, who was also there that night. As they were leaving the stage, she notices something on her piano... "Who left their camera up here?" after a small exchange identiying the camera owner and some teasing from the audience, she replied to him "I don't know, but I doubt they'll throw us out," and took a picture of herself with him! :) After that, the rest of the audience sort of took that as tacit permission to take pictures until the show ended not long after. :) :) :) Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl@netcom.com, negativl@best.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ From: Reggev Michael Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:24:20 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: Houston Jewel Broadcast Or in Israel? On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, William Jamieson wrote: > > Coming Friday, October 11 at 5:00 P.M. central time, you can > > watch a Private Session with Jewel broadcast live from The Art > > Institute of Houston. > > Anyone know what time this will be in Melbourne Australia??? > > Billy. > ------------------------------ From: "The Great Cornholio" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:44:45 EDT Subject: re: Nirvana in R&R Hall of Fame Nirvana is NOT in the R&R Hall of Fame. You have to have your first album be 25 years old. Perhaps there is memorabilia in the museum, but so is Madonna's bra. It doesn't say much. Just thought I'd make that known to those of you who don't know. BTW, Jethro Tull, another fave band and a fairly popular one on this list, has been eligible for about 3 years, and hasn't gotten in. Prog rock is not well-liked there for some reason. Jewel will just have to wait for a while if she wants in, though I don't think she'd qualify anyway. She really hasn't done anything necessarily new or brought to the public eye anything that wasn't in it before. She just has a much more beautiful way of presenting it. newt Bones: You call yourself a scientist? There's a streak of mysticism running right through you. Spock: I wasn't aware that the two were incompatible. Bad Ash: You're Good Ash, and I'm Bad Ash. You're goody little two shoes, goody little two shoes, goody little two shoes, (etc.) Ash: Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun. (BLAM!!!) ------------------------------ From: Uilleann Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:53:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Nirvana in R&R Hall of Fame The Great Cornholio wrote: > I'd make that known to those of you who don't know. BTW, Jethro > Tull, another fave band and a fairly popular one on this list, has > been eligible for about 3 years, and hasn't gotten in. Prog rock is > not well-liked there for some reason. Jewel will just have to wait Tull not in?!? Boy, I really need to do some homework on my R&R HOF trivia!! Ash: Shop smart - Shop S-Mart! - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Robert Plafta Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 13:08:29 -0400 Subject: NJC : hey, all those drummer jokes! Actually, I have found that the singers are usually the stupid ones, with the bass player not far behind. Not to toot my own cymbal, but I have an extensive background in music history and therory, as well as a pretty large amount of experience in live and studio work. So there, drummer haters! BBBBUUUTTTTT, here are my favorite drummer jokes! Q. What did the drummer get on his I.Q> test? A. Saliva! Q. What's the difference between drums and a trampoline? A. You take your shoes off when you jump on a trampoline. Q. What's the first thing a drummer says when he knocks on your front door? A. "Pizza!" Q. Why do drummers have half an ounce more brains than horses? A. So they don't disgrace themselves during the parade. Q. What do drum solos and premature ejaculation have in common? A. You know they are coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Anyway.............huh huh. Not all uf us drumers ar dum, anywuy. - -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Let others bring order to chaos. I would bring chaos to order" -K.V. "the rain was there to wash away my tears i wanted to be them but instead i destroyed myself" enigk/hoerner R o b e r t P . P l a f t a p l a f @ c h e l s e a . i o s . c o m t e n s e n @ f r o n t i e r . w i l p a t e r s o n . e d u http://www.wilpaterson.edu/home/students/plafta/robert.htm _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: NeOblCar@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:51:58 -0400 Subject: NJC: I'm sorry to see Paul go I got the chance to meet and get to know Paul Kim briefly in NH, before that I have always respected his opinions and tastes in music from his posts. All I can say is I am sorry to see him go. My impressions are that he is a kind and thoughtful human being, and even you don't care that he left, I feel the list is a little worst off without him. (That would be true if many of you left, but I thought it needed to be said in Paul's case.) And that's all I have to say about that, Rob ------------------------------ From: NeOblCar@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:52:01 -0400 Subject: NJC:The way I speed up list reading I hate to say it, but it is difficult for me to keep up with the list anymore. I haven't considered leaving yet, but I hate to scan quickly through it and miss so much. I know in the past a few people have asked how to speed up reading the list so I thought I would post my method. Currently, I subscribe to the digest and wait until I have 5 or 6 of them before I read (about twice a week). I combine all the digests into one ASCII file and then do a word search on things that I might want to read (e.g., Dan, Dennis, Mike, Hiranya, W1GGY2, dates, tour, etc.) Then I might read the contents lead of each digest, to see if I missed anything interesting. I hope that helps someone, it is the only thing that has worked for me so far. IF anyone else has any tips I sure would love to hear them. Rob ------------------------------ From: Alexander Stamou Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:06:54 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: NJC:Drummer jokes I know It's a little late to jump on the bandwagon (drumwagon?), but since I never have anything useful to contribute anyway (and no life), here goes (these were the only ones I could find still left untouched): Why are orchestra intermissions limited to 20 minutes? So you don't have to retrain the drummers. What's the difference between a drummer and a drum machine? With a drum machine you only have to punch the information in once. Heard backstage: "Will the musicians and the drummer please come to the stage!" /Alexander "What about guitarist jokes?" Stamou ------------------------------ From: Alexander Stamou Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:23:04 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: NJC? LJC? I don't have the strength anymore...& Swedish Song Will somebody answer my letters! :) Or didn't I send any...I forget. What about Swedish Song? Do I have to wait for the JS tapes? It's your decision... /Alexander "Too cool to be american" Stamou ------------------------------ From: Alexander Stamou Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:30:19 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Picture Proposal: census On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Reggev Michael wrote: > I have to second Alexander on this one. While it may be useful for you > foreigners to do this, I'm not sure about us guys here in the Eastern > hemosphere. > Tuff > > On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Alexander Stamou wrote: > > > On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote: > > > > > This is what I think: > > > > > > Every EDA should have his/her picture in the yearbook. There are a lot > > > of reasons why this would be helpful. One is that it would help new > > > EDA's find other EDA's at concerts. Telling someone what you'll be > > > wearing, etc. is helpful, but that description could fit many different > > > people. However, a mental image of one's face along with clothing > > > descriptions would help ten fold. Mental imagery is the best formof > > > recognition. There's no reason to be shy. We're all friends here, aren't > > > we? > > > > Are we? :) Let's vote. All in favor of me sending a picture of myself > > raise your hands. And then bring them down along with your fingers on the > > correct keys ofyour keyboard. It's hard to scan pictures in Sweden, you > > see. Because of the cold (and the wolves & dolphins, right Charlie?), you > > see. So I have to know it's worth it. > > > > > Whaddya say? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to recognize your fellow > > > EDA's without having to go through that awkward, > > > "Uh, what's yor name? I'm Bob." scenario? > > > > I don't think that would be a problem, though...you don't go to Sweden on > > your vacations, do you? :) > > > > > -Blaine "just tryin' to make a difference" Sanders > > > > And that "" thing was my idea, you know. Not really, but still...:) > > > > /Alexander "My name isn't Bob." Stamou > > > Yes, exactly. I'm hereby seconding myself on the matter, but I'll probably send a photo anyway. Someday. And if you made it all the way down here, you might as well know this: I plan to start posting a lot to the list again. Unless somebody objects. Why? Because when I did post a lot, I got a lot of funny replies, and no real objections either, just people warning that somebody else might object. I think. So, if there aren't any objections now, I'll just assume that you haven't read this letter. Or something. /Alexander "I'm sorry, was that confusing?" Stamou ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #657 ***************************