From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #634 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Sunday, 29 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 634 Today's Subjects: ----------------- USA Weekend FUBAR Re:Jewel trade,Igors' latest diatribe NJC: tori amos and metallica Pedro Zamora AIDS Benefit Concert in LA NJC: Re: HarrisBros is a flaw???? Excuse me?? Re: NJC: Re: HarrisBros is a flaw???? Excuse me?? Re: HarrisBros is a flaw???? Excuse me?? 09/16/95: Do I have the full show? I wanna go to a Jewel concert! JewelStock Tapes: ALL US, Canada & Puerto Rican leafs now assigned! Please read JewelStock Tapes: All AUSTRALIANS leafs! Where are you? poemailinglist@juno.com: The Unofficial Poe Mailing Lis Rugburns Fall Mailer- Pt. 1 (fwd) [You're gonna have to DIG for the Jewel Content in this one. Sorry.] look-a-like Rugburns (Steve Prostitutes) More Temple observations JewelStock Tapes: Leafs, choose your mailer correctly Re: The Bootleg CD - it's bad for this list and projects..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CONNELL@cs.lmco.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: USA Weekend FUBAR EDAs, Let's flood them with EMAIL!! Their answer was so full of errors it ain't funny. EMAIL them at whosnews@usaweekend.com and let them know about it! Mike "make 'em print a correction next week" Connell ------------------------------ From: David Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:50:04 -1000 Subject: Re:Jewel trade,Igors' latest diatribe On 9/28/96, Igor wrote: (SNIP,SNIP) >We the people can get rid of the scum. We don't need >someone deciding what is good or bad for us. It usually starts with the >obvious like child porn, that most will agree on.(SNIP) >First it is going to be something many of us >will agree on. To much mail! Then NJC will be targeted. Then certain >kinds of NJC. Before you know it, only certain people will be allowed >to post. Actually,as I see it the problems with the high volume of NJC messages are: 1:The volume of mail taxes the resources of this lists' owner.I assume that he is a fan of Jewels and that is why he maintains this list. I also assume that a high volume of mail having to do with Jewel would not be nearly as bothersome- although just as taxing on his resources- as digests filled with NJC. 2:Someone has to cull through all the messages to find the tidbits that go to the news list. A request to add NJC to your subject header to facillitate this job does not seem like censorship to me. A request that people ask themselves before they post "Is this going to be of interest to most/many of the several hundred subscribers or should it be a private email?" does not amount to censorship either. Merely a request that we excercise our good judgement and restraint. >The other reason I like to see a free list is because it also lets the >jerks surface. Usually after a few letters, most of us can see through >them. They bury themselves with the more they write. Just after >reading Liz's letter, I came upon this one. You be the judge. > >David wrote: >> >> Aloha- >> >> With all the NJC on this list of late (not to mention the distinctly >> negative vibes that have emanated from certain quarters when this bad habit >> was pointed out in a kindly fashion) I thought I'd add some JC: >> >> I have a master copy of Jewels' set opening for Neil Young on Aug.18. A >> very good to excellent AUD recording from the 17th row center. And I will >> trade it with anyone who has another Jewel tape (preferably a master copy) >> that I want. >> Bootleg CD merchants and Igor need not apply. >> >> David > >Is NJC a bad habit? It can be. See #'s 1&2 above. >Was the writer I attacked pointing out in a kindly >fashion or was he arragant. IMHO, _all_ the requests for moderation were written in a kindly fashion. Several of the responses showed a great deal of arrogance and immaturity. >The emperor did defend his letter and then >followed up with news about a Jewel boot. Of course this could lead >into a thread on bootlegs. A thread about bootleg CDs is not necessarily a bad thread. EDAs should have a vested interest in making sure that they do not participate in schemes that rip off Jewel. Many people do not understand why the purchase of a boot is harmful to the artist and these threads can be enlightening in that regard. >Hawaii Dave does a similar thing. He goes >into the next paragraph with a Jewel tape trade. Must be a nice guy, >right. Wrong! Read his words. He is discussing trading Jewel's >intellectual property as if he owned it. Actually,if I felt I owned it I would be trying to _sell_ it, not _share_ it. >You are trading stolen >property. You think Jewel will be happy to see EDA's not only trading >her IP, but acting as if it is something they have a right to. He acts >like a little kid. Na na na na na na, I got it and you can't have it. Actually,I am offering to trade a recording that I made specifically because of a request from Jewels' soundman and her mother to tape her opening sets for Neil Young for archival purposes. I hardly think that constitutes stolen property. > I think after people read your letter carefully, >not many will want to trade with you. There are always a few that don't >care who they do business with. I am not one of the few that don't care,which is why... >He includes me on the same line as bootleg CD merchants. I apologize to all the bootleg CD merchants out there. Igor should have been on a seperate line. >The professional bootleggers are members of almost every popular mailing >list out there on the internet. Thats how they find most of there >material. So Dave will eventually trade with one of them. He may not >know it, but he will. I try to only trade with people that have a collection of their own,although "newbies" who offer 2:1 are a judgement call (They could be wolves in sheeps clothing,so to speak). I turn down all offers to purchase my recordings. I try to trade my tapes to as many people as possible as fast as possible so that they become widespread throughout the trading community. Rarity is what sells boots. I may eventually make the mistake of trading with someone who is in the bootleg biz (I hope not), but as long as none of you make the mistake of buying instead of trading they will have to look elsewhere for customers. Aloha- David ------------------------------ From: plus@seark.net (plus) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 15:00:24 -0500 Subject: NJC: tori amos and metallica hey guys, sorry for all of this totally njc! is anyone coming to little rock for tori's concert on the 13th? if so, privately email me so we can meet up or something. oh, and she's going to be on david letterman again at the begining of oct. ok for all you metallica fans, i have a friend that's a real metallica fan and he would like to get some boots and tabs. can anyone help me? he's given me some blank tapes for trade. please email me privately on this too. plus ------------------------------ From: Sinjin@ecn.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:54:26 -0700 Subject: Pedro Zamora AIDS Benefit Concert in LA I heard on the radio this morning (KROQ 106.7) that the AIDS concert that Jewel was *not* going to perform in on October 5th or 6th has been re-scheduled for November 22nd (the guy also mentioned something happening ont he 26th, but I just think he got his dates all confused). The reason he gave for the rescheduling is that some of the headliners couldn't make it to the October date (Jewel?), however these same headliners are not yet confirmed for the November show (which is why he didn't say who). Does anyone know if Jewel plans to attend this show in November? Also, those of you who shelled out $100 for VIP tix, any word on whether or not VIP's are still for sale for the November date? Anyone planning to attend, the tickets go on sale (for about $25 for regular tix) at Ticketmaster on October 12. If Jewel's there, I will be too...and looking for other West Coast Angels! - -- Sinjin@ecn.com Lifeguard, Philosopher, Poet City of Angels JS96 ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:28:24 -0400 Subject: NJC: Re: HarrisBros is a flaw???? Excuse me?? I, Mike Connell wrote: > Considering no one else "called" this fellow on this, I must. > A very misinformed EDA, whom I shall not name, said (about the list): > > We all, despite our flaws (Harris Bros.) and our good points (Selena) > > are communicating and belong to a kind of family, a tribe if you will, > > and our part of that is being on the EDA list and the NJC. Well, I'm about to flame myself. (a list first?) It's obvious that I misread the writers' intent of the EMAIL I quoted. While his intent was not totally clear, I thought I was smarter than that. I apologize for the error. However in a way I'm also glad I came to my friends' defense, as "newbies" may not know of his contributions and may also have not read the "joking" intent of the EMAIL that called HarrisBros a "flaw". I also probably embarrassed the hell out of Dennis, which I like. ;) He did, of course do all the stuff I deified him for, and deserves the long overdo accolades. I would also like to apologize to the writer of the EMAIL I quoted for the following line I wrote: > What have you done for this list? That was TOTALLY uncalled for. I am sorry. Mike "I can really put my foot in my mouth sometimes" Connell ------------------------------ From: Selena Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:36:29 -0700 Subject: Re: NJC: Re: HarrisBros is a flaw???? Excuse me?? Oh wow, this is sooo cool. I feel a group hug coming on.. :) Selena ------------------------------ From: Sinjin@ecn.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:01:54 -0700 Subject: Re: HarrisBros is a flaw???? Excuse me?? ducksoup@spectra.net wrote: > > Dennis Harris singlehandedly got the crowd at the Friday JewelStock show > riled up enough to *DRAG* Jewel out for a 3rd, three song encore. Aaagh, it's one thing to defend Harris, but I thought we settled this imaginary 3rd encore thing a long time ago! Dennis is good, but not even the powers of the Mighty Harris brothers (Harris Twin Powers...Activate! Form of: water, shape of: angel) could bring her out for a 3rd. There were only 2 encores...1, 2, no 3! - -- Sinjin@ecn.com Lifeguard, Philosopher, Poet City of Angels JS96 ------------------------------ From: "Sean P. Rader" Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:59:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: 09/16/95: Do I have the full show? Hi there. I'm a semi-lurker. :) Just thought I'd mention that. But anyway, I got this bootleg from a guy a while ago, and I'm not sure if it's the full show. He screwed up the other show that he sent me, so I wouldn't be suprised. Anyway, it's 09/16/95 at Bohager's in Baltimore, Maryland. Here are the songs that I have: Pieces of You / Sometimes It Be That Way / Kiss Your Ass (First Performance!) / Morning Song / Little Sister/ Cold Song / 1,000 Miles / Rocker Girl / Race Car Driver / I Got The Blues More Than You Do Blues / You Were Meant for Me / Angel Standing By / Near You Always Let me know if you have any more songs from this (that's a 45 minute tape there. is there a second side?) because I'd like to get the whole thing. Oh, ang here's alittle NJC: If anyone is going to go to the Bonner Springs (I think that's the name), Kansas Renaissance Festival anytime before it closes this year, I'd like to meet up with you there. I love the RenFest and I would like to introduce it to non-rennies! Peace, Love, Chocolate.. Sean "And he erected a beautiful city of stars." ------------------------------ From: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net (Scott Broughton) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:02:04 -0500 Subject: I wanna go to a Jewel concert! I'm so jealous! You all who saw Jewel had so much fun! And here I am, having no idea whatsoever where to see her. Comment on Patrick's(Patric?) writing...you hit it right on the nail. I have a question tho, why is this mailing list advertised on the site I visited? I can see how you'd want new people to post here, but I'm sure the other newbies can agree with me that we feel so left out. I guess it will take time, but I feel like I want to know all of you from what you write (and say on IRC). With this bootleg discussion going on, it made me realize something. You who own tapes like JS are really special. And here I'm asking for them. I would love to hear more Jewel songs, but I realize that maybe they wouldn't mean as much to me as those of you who got to remind Jewel of the lyrics. ;) (Once again, I wanna go to a Jewel concert!!!) Oh well, I'd still like them. Does anyone know if any of Jewel's music is printed like guitar tabs? I know that WWSYS is in the guitar mag, which I'm gonna buy. I'd really like the piano music for Foolish Games too. All I've figured out is the beginning. (If it's on a website anywhere, just yell at me a little bit.) One more thing, if Jewel ever tours in or near Minnesota, I'm going. If any EDA's are there, I want to meet you! Scott Do you hate me, cause I'm pieces of you? PS: Brought to me attention very politely, I meant "Where's my golden one?" But I'll still sing it "Where's my golden wand?" e-mail: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net midnightclub@attitude.org internet: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/midnightclub.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/baseoface.html "It doesn't take a talent to be mean." - Jewel "Their precious midnight club - would there ever be another?" - - Christopher Pike, The Midnight Club ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:49:30 -0400 Subject: JewelStock Tapes: ALL US, Canada & Puerto Rican leafs now assigned! Please read EDAs/leaves for JS tapes, I just sent out 23 new leaf/branch assignments. As of now ALL leaves have been assigned with the exception of the requests I've gotten from Panama, Israel, Sweden, New Zealand & Australia. I will be copying those persons tapes myself (Australian is a branch) and will contact them all this week. So, if you ain't one of those foreign leaves, and haven't yet received your branch assignment, please EMAIL me. This does NOT include those that I wrote back telling you that you either did not meet the deadline or weren't even on the list (when you sent the leaf request.) Mike ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:54:59 -0400 Subject: JewelStock Tapes: All AUSTRALIANS leafs! Where are you? This is a re-post of the EMAIL I posted last Wednesday, which got ZERO responses! I know that a while back up to 8 Aussies were interested. Please read the following and get back to me if you are interested: G'day Mates!! Ok, if you want JewelStock tapes and you live on that big island.....er....continent down there, just EMAIL me and put in the SUBJECT of the EMAIL: leaf - lastname, firstname (australia) example: leaf - bennett, darren (australia) Please note you must have been a member of either the Jewel, Jewel-news or Jewel-digest mailing lists as of midnight Sunday September 15th to meet our deadline. Do not worry about what you'll have to do to get the tapes, I'm going to hammer that out with your branch, who has already been chosen....Mike (not sure of his last name...Parkinson??? maybe?) Just send an EMAIL for now. Jewelfully, Mike Connell ------------------------------ From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 21:26:15 EDT Subject: poemailinglist@juno.com: The Unofficial Poe Mailing Lis - --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: poemailinglist@juno.com To: agentorange2@juno.com Subject: The Unofficial Poe Mailing Lis Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:10:13 EDT Message-ID: <19960929.130919.4526.2.poemailinglist@juno.com> To subscribe to The Unofficial Poe Mailing List send an e-mail to poemailinglist@juno.com with "subscribe" in the subject line, no message is needed. - --------- End forwarded message ---------- ------------------------------ From: Gregory Donavon Ooley Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:36:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rugburns Fall Mailer- Pt. 1 (fwd) [You're gonna have to DIG for the Jewel Content in this one. Sorry.] [From a Rugburns newsletter I get periodically. Talks of Steve in Jewel's video. [snip] Now for a word of caution. The following is Steve's contribution to this newsletter. If you're under 18, have problems with profanity, or think Steve is a big jackass, don't read any further. Otherwise, I give you Mr. Steven Poltz: Hi sideburns. SJ POltz here. I hate computers, so don't gibe me any shit about my typing. i can't stand computers. look, i play guitar, not computers.. well, we had a vacation, ok? and i learned a think or two while i had my vacation. i mean, for christs' sake, in the last year, i lost my guitarist and bass player, got dropped by my label, and broke a rod in my isuzu trooper. the car is on the side of the road right now somewhere in la jolla so if anyone is interested in a cheap piecwe of shit car, you can have mine. i'm using a shopping cart now and I don't need anything else except maybe a bottle of cheap wine and my gitar. let me tell yous omething people. people say you can't run from your past. LIARS!!! I'm here to tellyou that you CAN run from your past. i went away to italy and drank my fucking face off, offended as many people as I could, and got off scott free. see how that works? but now I have to tour again to pay off all my bookies and keep my fingers and toes. they said the jets would go 4 and 0 at the beginning of the season. LIARS!! They don't know nothing about that. and who the hell is Jack hemp? I come back and find out all these crtazy pot smoking republicans have taken over my country and eaten all my fish? what the hell is that shit. so now I have to jump back in our cramped, miserable van, with two unshaven, unwashed men, and drive around the country just to pay off my car, bookies, to get a new label and hopefully find out who's been sending me depends adult undergarments every week to my apartment. and i don't want to hear any shit about the new jewel vid3eo. yes, that's me, and yes, i'm wearing a pirate shirt, so get off my back. i'm just prostituting myself for money. that's how it works, kids. if you can't sell out and prostitute your beliefs, you're a spineless oxygen thief. bleah. bleah. oh yeah, thanks for all the mail while we've been gone. if any of you come to our shows, could you please bring us some chocolate chip cookies? I'll be your best frieeeeeend.... me love you all long time. Steven J. Poltz ------------------------------ From: nothing Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: look-a-like If any of you live in the Detroit/Windsor (Ontario) area or are going to be around there any time soon, go to the Aardvark Blues Cafe in Windsor on a Friday night and you'll see a bartender that works there that looks almost EXACTLY like Jewel... same height, face, expression, even the same hair. They look so much alike it's spooky. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ christopher anderson nothing@tir.com http://www.tir.com/~nothing/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: SkinnyPete@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:19:04 -0400 Subject: Rugburns (Steve Prostitutes) Hey, gang. A friend forwarded me this note from the Rugburn mailer and I thought I'd pass it along. It's only the portion of the letter that has some sort of Jewel content so if you want the whole thing (which really isn't much more than this) e-mail me for it. AND - for young readers parental guardians should be present (just some profanity). - ----------------- Forwarded Message: Subj: Rugburns Fall Mailer- Pt. 1 Date: 96-09-29 20:34:10 EDT From: RugburnsSD Now for a word of caution. The following is Steve's contribution to this newsletter. If you're under 18, have problems with profanity, or think Steve is a big jackass, don't read any further. Otherwise, I give you Mr. Steven Poltz: Hi sideburns. SJ POltz here. I hate computers, so don't gibe me any shit about my typing. i can't stand computers. look, i play guitar, not computers.. well, we had a vacation, ok? and i learned a think or two while i had my vacation. i mean, for christs' sake, in the last year, i lost my guitarist and bass player, got dropped by my label, and broke a rod in my isuzu trooper. the car is on the side of the road right now somewhere in la jolla so if anyone is interested in a cheap piecwe of shit car, you can have mine. i'm using a shopping cart now and I don't need anything else except maybe a bottle of cheap wine and my gitar. let me tell yous omething people. people say you can't run from your past. LIARS!!! I'm here to tellyou that you CAN run from your past. i went away to italy and drank my fucking face off, offended as many people as I could, and got off scott free. see how that works? but now I have to tour again to pay off all my bookies and keep my fingers and toes. they said the jets would go 4 and 0 at the beginning of the season. LIARS!! They don't know nothing about that. and who the hell is Jack hemp? I come back and find out all these crtazy pot smoking republicans have taken over my country and eaten all my fish? what the hell is that shit. so now I have to jump back in our cramped, miserable van, with two unshaven, unwashed men, and drive around the country just to pay off my car, bookies, to get a new label and hopefully find out who's been sending me depends adult undergarments every week to my apartment. and i don't want to hear any shit about the new jewel vid3eo. yes, that's me, and yes, i'm wearing a pirate shirt, so get off my back. i'm just prostituting myself for money. that's how it works, kids. if you can't sell out and prostitute your beliefs, you're a spineless oxygen thief. bleah. bleah. oh yeah, thanks for all the mail while we've been gone. if any of you come to our shows, could you please bring us some chocolate chip cookies? I'll be your best frieeeeeend.... me love you all long time. Steven J. Poltz - Well that's it, hope you enjoyed. - Skinny Pete P.S. Oxygen RULES !!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Crash Boy Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 02:31:37 +0000 Subject: More Temple observations i forgot some things last time, which i would like to include here: - - thanks liz for your pen, without which i would never have gotten a cool autograph from jewel on the picture of us at jewelstock - - i was watching the new YWMFM video and i was wondering if the same slip she wears in it is the same as she wore at the show? i mean, her skirt sure looked like a slip. can anyone at the show confirm/denounce this? - - why did the concert people lie to liz about jewel having left already? i mean, she won the damn yodelling contest to meet her, y'know? - - we all signed the EDA signs that both liz and i made at the van. i really like mine and was wondering what i should do with it. frame it? put it away? bring it to future EDA events? any ideas? - - spray cheese is good :) - - jared was the first to leave the parking lot party. but did anyone notice how it started to rain right after he left? which in turn cause all of us to leave. maybe jared really is a fallen angel (and superdeformed) and decided that the party ends when he leaves. hmmm...coincidence? i think not. - - selena's right about ryan becoming a "dennis". everynow and then, once he got comfortable with us, he blurted out a smart-ass response, which was really funny. no selena, no four letter words came out of him. :) - - and last but not least, i forgot to thank jewel for singing flower when she was signing autographs. i think it was the greatest thing she's done. hey, hiranya, tell her thank you for me, okay? eric :) ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:46:40 -0400 Subject: JewelStock Tapes: Leafs, choose your mailer correctly JS leaves: Please help out your branches. Make sure that not only do your three tapes fit in the mailer you intend your branch to mail them back in, make sure it can be SEALED with the tapes inside. And DO NOT afix the stamp(s) on the mailer! I just had my 3rd case where I could not get the tapes inside and SEAL the mailer....and the stamp was on the mailer, which is unusable. Mike C. ------------------------------ From: Truthseecr@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:49:51 -0400 Subject: Re: The Bootleg CD - it's bad for this list and projects..... On Sunday Sept 29 Ducksoup@spectra.net wrote in part: >>>These are the current message subject lines: TOUR SCHEDULE - tour schedules TICKET INFO - dates when tickets go on sale COMPACT DISC RELEASE - release dates for albums, singles, sdtrks, promos TV/RADIO APPEARANCE - tv and radio appearances ELECTRONIC MEDIA APPEARANCE - chat sessions, electronic Q&A sessions, etc. PRINT MEDIA APPEARANCE - newspaper, magazine, and other print articles SET LIST - very brief concert reviews concentrating on set lists MISCELLANEOUS - anything else - --------- I realize that "Miscellaneous" is wide open, but I just never though the News-list was a venue to advertise things that Jewel and her management are clearly against.<<< I didn't see this as an advertisement. I saw it simply as a note of interest to Jewel fans. This mailing list should be for topics related to Jewel period. I don't see what's wrong with sharing information. I agree that bootlegs are bad for the artist, not to mention illegal, but I don't think specific guidelines of what we can and can't discuss is a bit extreme. We are all, for the most part, adults here. We can choose whether to buy this CD bootleg in question or not. Like I said before, many EDAs already have this recording on tape that we've traded for, not bought or sold. I don't think this CD bootleg will make enough money to cover the cost to make. That's my 2 cents. :-) Carolyn ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #634 ***************************