From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #569 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Friday, 13 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 569 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS NJC: Suzanne Vega, Ani Difranco Re: Hello EDA! Re: Christmas Album RE: NJC: Are the Rugburns still a together? Re:JC and NJC Re: Hello EDA! Re: Christmas Album NJC: Patti Smith on Leno & other artists. Re: Hello EDA! Pieces Of Jewel NJC: New Year's Eve in New York Re: MTV Awards Re: Jewel singing in Clueless? NJC: other interests Jewel in my dreams Re: NJC-Ani Difranco concert- short post re: JC and NJC again re: christmas songs Re: MTV Awards Re: Pieces Of Jewel NJC- my Jewel dream :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron Matthew Suever Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS On Thursday Will C. wrote: > Looks like number 5. We went through number 4 at the exact time I joined > this list. Hopefully, everything will be all nice and fine w/ the new > **NEWS LIST**. I'd have to disagree with ya on this, Will. I think we just went through #5 and are starting 6b, with a little bit of 6a. But a rare optimistic mood has struck me which might be interfering with my vision (people who know me well know I'm a real pessimist, and a cynic ;). Btw, for those newer to the list, this Life Cycle thing was posted back in February or March too when we were going through our first growing pains. Before that people always said "I really like this list because nobody flames anyone. It's so different from the other places I've been on the net." Wow, this place has such a history already, sorta like Jewel herself. And it's all happening so fast. Btw#2, hey if you haven't checked out some old digests before, you should do it at http://www.smoe.org/lists Sure, there's an overwhelming amount of material built up now, but you can just peek at a few. >> 4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions). 5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed). 6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list). OR 6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after). << ------------------------------ From: amelie@juno.com (Amelie R Cabanas-Brown) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:40:41 EDT Subject: NJC: Suzanne Vega, Ani Difranco If there are on Suzanne Vega, or Ani Difranco fans in the Washington DC area, then I wanted to let you know that on October 25th, Suzanne Vega is playing at the 9:30club, and you can purchase tickets by calling 703-218-6500. Ani Difranco is playing at the GWU Lisner Auditorium on November 17, and I think you can purchase tickets by calling 202-994-7313. Just FYI. Amelie ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:52:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Hello EDA! On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 JAY_WILSON@yr.com wrote: > Questions: When is the new album coming out? I heard she was in the > process of recording it now in Upstate NY. Does anyone know which > studio she's recording at? Also, does anyone know when she will be > returning to NYC for a show? > Thanks! > Jay > The latest we've heard is January/February '97. I was hoping it would be out before so it'd be eligible the Grammy, but I guess not. All I can say, from what she's played on tour and comments from Hiranya, is that it will be much different than POY. She has grown as an artist and performer enormously since POY's release. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ From: Jay Notte Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Christmas Album Hmmm, there's a thought. But what other Jewel tunes do you think could work with the Big Man in the background? Jay On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Dean wrote: > On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Jay Notte said: > > > > Can you hear Jewel saying "There's a cold wind blowin' over the > >boardwalk?" She could probably pull off a pretty good "Santa Claus is > >coming to town" but, then again, she doesn't have Clarence Clemmons > >backing her up on sax. > > > But that could probably be arranged wouldn't you think? :) > > > Dean > ------------------------------ From: altman@brooktree.com (Erik Altman) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 09:55:02 PDT Subject: RE: NJC: Are the Rugburns still a together? I read in the San Diego Reader (a weekly "what's up" magazine) a month or 2 ago that Robert Driscoll (lead guitar) had decided to leave the roadlife & Rugburns behind to pursue teaching english full-time in San Diego. I also recall hearing that Gregory Page had chosen to pursue his solo music career and was also leaving the group. Steve Poltz and the drummer (his name escapes me) have recruited another bassist, and Steve is playing guitar & singing. Both Robert & Gregory may have changed their minds recently...i haven't heard. - -Erik Erik Altmann ||| (o o) (_) KOWABUNGA!!!!! \ O ----|---- | \ | / \ ----/---\----------- | /_ \_ \ | / -------------------- \/ ------------------------------ From: Jay Notte Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re:JC and NJC Damn, I'm impressed. I thought it would have been Phil Anselmo at the end of "Cemetary Gates" when he does his trademark scream to finish the song. But Billboard would know better than I. Jay On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 SkinnyPete@aol.com wrote: > Somebody wrote: > > >Got you all beat - at the end of Don't Cry on Use Your > >Illusion II by Guns and Roses Axel drags out > >Toniiiiiiiiight for ~ 26 seconds > > Just wanted to add something. That 26 seconds is looped. Axl sang about 6-7 > seconds and they looped it 3-4 times. He doesn't actually sing it for 26 > seconds. For the record the longest note held in a top 10 song (according to > Billboard) is at the end of "When I'm With You" by Sheriff from mid 80's > coincidentally at 26 seconds. Cool huh? I'm a pile of useless information. > Just try me. > > - Skinny Pete > ------------------------------ From: Jay Notte Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Hello EDA! Not to be confused with this Jay or Navy Jay. Now I know how the Gregs on this list feel. Jay On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 JAY_WILSON@yr.com wrote: > Hi - > Newbie on this...just wanted to introduce myself. Became a Jewel fan > when I saw her at Irving Plaza in May. I was absolutely > amazed...Atlantic gave her a gold record at a post-concert party that > my friend and I snuck into, so I actually got to talk with her for a > little while. > Questions: When is the new album coming out? I heard she was in the > process of recording it now in Upstate NY. Does anyone know which > studio she's recording at? Also, does anyone know when she will be > returning to NYC for a show? > Thanks! > Jay > ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 13:07:20 EST Subject: Re: Christmas Album On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:52:39 -0400 (EDT) you said: > > Hmmm, there's a thought. But what other Jewel tunes do you think >could work with the Big Man in the background? > Well, don't you think Carnivore would sound pretty good with The Big Man's sax wailing in the background. Of course he can get that thing pretty loud and we don't want him covering up Jewel's throaty "Carnivore" line. But that's what sound boards are for. Actually I've been wanting Jewel to add some wind instruments to her band numbers. I think she'd go great with a good harmonica... since they are kinda folksy type instruments, and I just really like the sound of the ol' mouth organ. Dean "it's just an opinion so don't flame me" Harris ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: NJC: Patti Smith on Leno & other artists. I could swear that I heard Leno say Patti Smith would be on tonight. Also scheduled are Wallflowers on the 17th. On Letterman: 311 on tonight, Suzanne Vega the 16th, and Pearl Jam the 20th. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ From: Gregory Willms Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Hello EDA! well, i dont have any trouble distinguishing myself from the others... then again, no one ever send anything to me specifiacally so i suppose that has something to do with it... :) - -greg On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Jay Notte wrote: > > Not to be confused with this Jay or Navy Jay. Now I know how the > Gregs on this list feel. > Jay > > On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 JAY_WILSON@yr.com wrote: > > > Hi - > > Newbie on this...just wanted to introduce myself. Became a Jewel fan > > when I saw her at Irving Plaza in May. I was absolutely > > amazed...Atlantic gave her a gold record at a post-concert party that > > my friend and I snuck into, so I actually got to talk with her for a > > little while. > > Questions: When is the new album coming out? I heard she was in the > > process of recording it now in Upstate NY. Does anyone know which > > studio she's recording at? Also, does anyone know when she will be > > returning to NYC for a show? > > Thanks! > > Jay > > > > - -greg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Let me have music dying, and I seek no more delight." -- John Keats - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My many e-mail addresses: | | greg_willms@atl.checkfree.com| willms@bgnet.bgsu.edu | redphish@hotmail.com | Huxxley@aol.com | - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Gregory Willms Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pieces Of Jewel has anyone else had any trouble accessing adam's jewel page? it tells me that sprynet doesnt have a DNS entry... hmm... - -greg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Let me have music dying, and I seek no more delight." -- John Keats - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My many e-mail addresses: | | greg_willms@atl.checkfree.com| willms@bgnet.bgsu.edu | redphish@hotmail.com | Huxxley@aol.com | - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "Tom O'Brien" <51299S96@student.csi.cuny.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:45:48 Subject: NJC: New Year's Eve in New York In case there's any confusion on the subject this is now an official event, this IS happening. I have about 9 definites and 5 or 6 maybes so far. To recap: I live in Staten Island, NY. I've (somewhat insanely) invited about 600 people to my house for New Year's Eve. I figured we could hang out at my house, and IF people wanted to we could go to Times Square that night for their little shin dig. Deadline for acceptances is January 2, 1997 ;-). I am fully open to questions, ideas, comments, or whatever. Later. Tom - ---- "The most important things in life are always the hardest to say, because words diminish them." -Stephen King _The Body_ "Our standard of living somehow got stuck on survive."-Jewel ------------------------------ From: Angela6359@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:38:46 -0400 Subject: Re: MTV Awards i totally agree. alanis is not a new artist, but then again, neither is Jewel. ------------------------------ From: Angela6359@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:39:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Jewel singing in Clueless? the jewel song is clueless is "all by myself." it's in the credits, but not on the soundtrack unfortunately. if anyone has a copy please let me know. thanks, angela ------------------------------ From: "Tom O'Brien" <51299S96@student.csi.cuny.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:51:34 Subject: NJC: other interests I've started to notice that many of us has incredibly similar interests that have nothing whatsoever to do with, ummm, what's her name...;) Muppets, Stephen King, Simpsons... Someone should do a survey, like favorite TV shows, books, etc. I'd do it, but I've started some stupid New Year's Eve thing (why didn't someone stop me? ;-) ) Oh well, Tom - ---- "The most important things in life are always the hardest to say, because words diminish them." -Stephen King _The Body_ "Our standard of living somehow got stuck on survive."-Jewel ------------------------------ From: Fuzzy & Piglet Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:46:23 +0600 Subject: Jewel in my dreams hey all, well this was a weird one. okay bg first. I live in a rather large townhouse with three other guys. In my dream my guy roomates had moved out and new people had moved in, 1 guess as to who was one of them. Well in the matter of one day Jewel and her three, yeah four total, female friends had totally changed the house, including where the bedrooms were. They even made a new bedroom up in the attic for one of the girls. Jewel took my room and lost all my posters, tapestries, and other stuff on the walls. I was left in a tiny white room, no padding. Jewel was a kewl roomate but not the other girls, steritipical sorority girls. Jewel started redecorating the whole house, lots of wild tile work on the floors and walls. It felt really weird for me 'cause I couldn't walk around all dirty and such, 'cause there were women in the house the whole time. But then after the evening meal Jewel would pull up a stool in our new coffee nook, that she made with her own hands, and sing us a song. One night she even sang me to sleep 'cause I was sick. Really long nice dream. Don't remember interacting that much with the others but spent a lot of time with Jewel, and Michael never showed up once. Jewel's, my old, room was just amazing, if it had been just a little different it might look like a room full of junk but when done up by her it look so comfortable and welcoming. Spent time in there too. hehehe. Her bed was really cool, huge, with wild colored sheets and stuffed exotic animals and Fuzzy (the one thing from my room that survived), and hoops at each corner of the bed attached to the old style wrought iron frame where beautiful scarves were tied and were blowing in the breeze from the fan in the window still. There even was a poster for JS2 up on the wall in pyschadelic colors and writing, I even think it glowed in the dark. anyways thats my dream, the most vivid and real one I've had in awhile. take care all you and see you in my dreams, Robb Rant 'n Rage last update 9/11/96: http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rleigh/robb.html rleigh@vt.edu Sr Pepito@aol.com ------------------------------ From: PAUL KYUSAM KIM Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NJC-Ani Difranco concert- short post On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Patric Oesterheld wrote: > I just got a ticket to the Ani Difranco show at George Washington University > on Nov.8- it's a Sunday night at 8 p.m. If any other EDA's are going, let me > know. It should be cool! Patric I'm not going since it would be a very long trek for me, but is she playing Lisner Auditorium? Ahhhh, my last Sarah concert...beautiful place. Incidentally, Ani is playing at Smith College 15 minutes down the road. $16.50. Expensive. I'm not going because I've seen her four times in a little over a year and each time the crowd gets scarier and scarier;P Paul Kim ------------------------------ From: Jacob Richard Hirsch Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: re: JC and NJC again It seems i'm making a habit of having something important to say and something not important. First: >Is now a good time to tell you that this argument doesn't work? >Consider a world with 15 people in it. One of them has an iq >of 1. The others all have iqs of 100. The average iq is clearly >93.4,but there is only one person who is below that average. There is more than one definition of average. Mean and Median are both different averages. I think George Carlin was talking about the median. The important thing i wanted to mention is that i think jewel needs to be on sesame street. She can hang out with elmo. She can sing it's not easy being green with kermit. Does anyone else remember that little kid who did the counting for a long time. He was a sorta chubby (babyfat chubby) black kid. He would YELL the numbers REALLY LOUD. It was cool, or did he do the ABC's i think it was the ABC's. The idea of tori with Jim Henson's muppets was tossed around on RDT a while ago. Heck they could Duet on somewhere over the rainbow on sesame street, and bring melissa etheridge along too. I don't like her that much but she is good with duets. Regardless back to jewel does she look MORE and more like jennifer anniston every day, or is it jennifer anniston who is looking more and more like jewel. That's all for today angels, except. Happy Friday Jake ------------------------------ From: Jacob Richard Hirsch Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: re: christmas songs >Run Run Rudolph would be fun. And for the non-Christams folk, >Winter Wonderland or Draedel (I know I mangled the spelling.) Dreidel (is that right) probly not. But in regards to the rudolph thing... She does have some kind of nose thing going on so it's not too far-fetched. bye angels Jake p.s. Jeff Wasilko what is you address. I think i'm subscribed twice. I'm getting two digests. ------------------------------ From: Leave the shadows dancing Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:22:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: MTV Awards :> i totally agree. alanis is not a new artist, but then again, neither is :> Jewel. But Jewel only has ONE album out. =) (For the short time being anyway, eheh) Gerrit - -- "After a while you learn the subtle difference between holding a hand and chaining a soul. And you learn that love doesn't mean leaning and company doesn't mean security. And you begin to learn that kisses aren't contracts and presents aren't promises. And you begin to accept your defeats with your head up and your eyes open and with the grace of an adult, not the grief of a child. And you learn to build all your roads on today because tomorrow's ground is too uncertain for your plans. After a while you learn that even sunshine burns if you get too much. So plant your own garden and decorate your own soul instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers. And you will learn that you really can endure: that you really are strong, and really do have worth." -V. Shoffstall ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 15:22:01 EST Subject: Re: Pieces Of Jewel On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Greg (aka Flee) said: >has anyone else had any trouble accessing adam's jewel page? it tells me >that sprynet doesnt have a DNS entry... hmm... > Well, as of 3:20 today I could get into it. But I will give you some possible reasons for this error according to my limited vast knowledge of the internet world. I believe your web access provider must be attached to a name server somewhere. This is the machine that converts all the cool URL names into what the computer really wants to see, which is 4 numbers ranging between 1 and 256 seperated by periods (.). If the name server that your provider uses is down or your connection between it is down, then the URLs can't be converted into those numbers. So, one way to possibly get around this error is to e-mail Adam and ask him for the ip address of his www server so that you can get around the use of the name server that you seem to be having trouble with. And if any of this (or all of this) is completely wrong, I have the utmost confidence that my big brother Dennis (who is a much bigger computer geek than me) will chime in and correct me. Right Dennis??? Hope this helps. Dean "Dennis is a bigger computer geek than me" Harris ------------------------------ From: CornflkGl@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:37:53 -0400 Subject: NJC- my Jewel dream :) Okay, so it wasn't a real dream, more of a nice I'm-almost-asleep-and-I've-got-this-idea-in-my-head-and-it's-writing-it's-own- story kind of thing.... very short... We were all ( and I mean ALL ) at the New HAmpshire show, and Jewel was playing. She finished a song, and said, "okay, what do you want to hear ?" I yelled "RUDOLPH !!" at the top of my lungs. Jewel shaded her eyes with her hand, looked at me in the audience, and said "But Nedra isn't here. Can YOU sing it with me ?". I got up on stage with her, we shared the mike, we harmonized, she scat-yodelled, it was wonderful. Happy happy night :). Love, Rachel :) "Eschew obfuscation!" -- anybody who knows what this means gets a yet-to-be-announced prize ! YAY !!! ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #569 ***************************