From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #562 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Wednesday, 11 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 562 Today's Subjects: ----------------- A Thousand Miles Away and Stuff Re: Jewel duets Re: NJC: Jewel and Tori's lungs Re: Jewel duets Oct 5 LA show question Re: NJC: NAC: 4 ALL EDA's Re: Jewel duets "Revealed" Another poem by Sinjin NJC: Re: NJC: NAC: 4 ALL EDA's Re: Jewel in a book? Re: NJC: Re: NJC: NAC: 4 ALL EDA's Re: NJC: Jewel and Tori's lungs Jewel News List Re: real JC Re: just my thoughts, you don't have to read the NJC: Mac 'n PC musings... Re: A Letter to Jewel for Jewelstock Guestbook Re: duff thanks you NJC: the poem I wrote,... Re:NJC: NAC: 4 ALL EDA's ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Molten Lasciviousness" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:06:59 -0700 Subject: A Thousand Miles Away and Stuff At 08:42 PM 9/10/96 -0400, NeOblCar@aol.com wrote: >After reading thousands of posts it must be a forgone conclusion that "1000 >Miles Away" is one of Jewel's most touching, inspirational songs. I can >recall at least half dozen EDA's, moved by the song, writing poems or other >prose. It is forcefully one of the most beautifully sad songs written. > I LOVE that song. It's my 2nd favorite song by Jewel. (BTW, the other night I was able to figure out the correct tuning for that song and I believe I can reproduce it on the guitar note for note. Unless of course I can't.) Personally though, my favorite song of hers is "Nikos." I can scarcely recall any song that can conjure the kind of emotion in me that that song does. My goodness is she a good storyteller. Talk about forcefully convincing, sheesh. ;) > >~~~~~Oh, God what do I do. I am a 1000 miles away, I'm lying next to >you.~~~~ > >Recently, I was considering those lyrics and realized they could be taken two >ways. The meaning opposing the rest of the song is that even though you are >lying next to someone they might as well be a 1000 miles away. > >I much perfer >the intended message that even when a 1000 miles away, you still feel as >though the person is next to you. Oddly enough, I didn't interpret the song either of those ways. I took it to mean that even though they're apart, her heart and thoughts are with her lover, 1,000 miles away. She goes through the motions of everyday life, but she feels dead inside because her heart is somewhere else. That's why she asks "Oh God, what do I do," because she's looking for a way to ease the pain of longing. Did anybody else interpret it this way? Okay, FINE then, I'm wrong AGAIN. volt "Okay, WHO WANTS GUM?" ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Molten Lasciviousness" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:07:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Jewel duets I think it'd be swell if she did a duet with Melissa Etheridge. She could do, like, "Sleep While I Drive" or "Foolish Games" or something. Or maybe she could do a duet with Kelsey Grammer (couldn'tcha see it? "Oh baby I hear the blues a' callin, tossed salad and scrambled eggs... oh my my...") Okay, maybe not. But she should still do one with Melissa Etheridge. ;P volt ------------------------------ From: "BRADLEY C. PORTER" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:21:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: NJC: Jewel and Tori's lungs > > > > > > > I was thinking... IN NH, Paul Kimmiepoo timed Jewel's "Soooooooooooul" in > > > > >>Precious Things (22-second "girl," for those who keep track)<<< > Got you all beat - at the end of Don't Cry on Use Your Illusion II by > Guns and Roses Axel drags out "toniiiiiiiiight" for ~ 26 seconds. I don't know whether this even counts or not, but I used to go see a band in Koxville that got into the habit of holding a high note in the guitar solo for longer and longer periods. There records was FIFTEEN MINUTES AND 38 SECONDS. It was pretty incredible but I wouldn't want to do it again, my head rang for three days.... SenztvRtst Kermit Scooter ------------------------------ From: "BRADLEY C. PORTER" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:28:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Jewel duets > I think it'd be swell if she did a duet with Melissa Etheridge. She > > could do, like, "Sleep While I Drive" or "Foolish Games" or something. She DID do a duet with Meliassa Etheridge. It was on VH-1's "Duets" and Melissa Etheridge brought on Joan Osborne, Jewel, and a few others individually to sing her songs and theirs. It was areally good show. I can't remeber what two songs Jewl sang with her but I know it was on of ME and one of Jewel's (somebody on the list has to know) SEnztvRtst Kermit Scooter "LIfe is what happens to you while your busy making other plans." -John Lennon ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oct 5 LA show question I read in the paper today that Jewel is confirmed for the show to benefit The Pedro Zamora Foundation on Oct 5 at the Forum in LA (in place of the cancelled Rock the Vote show) and that MTV has pledged to cover it in their news (but not the event itself, yet (hope hope)). Is this really the case? I thought I had remembered reading from Hiranya that the show hadn't yet been confirmed. What is the current status of her appearance? Thanks. Take care, Tom e-mail: provent@pls.lib.ca.us "All these words are not a rescue in my eyes" "If there's been a way to build it, there'll be a way to destroy it" ------------------------------ From: Sinjin@ecn.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:36:12 -0700 Subject: Re: NJC: NAC: 4 ALL EDA's Slunk69090@aol.com wrote: > > A Lurker Unveiled! > > Hi, My name is Mac Rogers, I'm from Florida, and I like Jewel, but that's not > to say I don't like other bands, to be honest I can't _truly_ say that she's > my favorite ...just wait till you hear her new stuff, you'll come around. I predict that by January 97 (when her next CD comes out) you'll be as obsessed as the rest of us. Perhaps even sooner, if you get the Jewelstock tapes! Speaking of Jewelstock tapes, I can't resist any longer...I have to know, "Can you hear us yelling stuff at Jewel???" (like requests, or Tom giving her the words, Liz dissing the Racecar Driver, etc?) Finally, since the newslist is now in effect, do we still gotta use NJC in our headings? - -- Sinjin@ecn.com Lifeguard, Philosopher, Poet City of Angels JS96 ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Molten Lasciviousness" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:48:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Jewel duets At 12:28 AM 9/11/96 -0500, BRADLEY C. PORTER wrote: > >> I think it'd be swell if she did a duet with Melissa Etheridge. She >> >> could do, like, "Sleep While I Drive" or "Foolish Games" or something. > >She DID do a duet with Meliassa Etheridge. It was on VH-1's "Duets" and Oh, sorry about that. That was a joke. Yeah, she did "Sleep While I Drive" and "Foolish Games." Next time I'll put more smiley faces and shit like that so people don't take me too seriously. volt "SNOOCHIE BOOCHIES!!!!!" ------------------------------ From: Sinjin@ecn.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:18:14 -0700 Subject: "Revealed" Another poem by Sinjin Usually I just post my poetry to a select underground thread-group of the EDA's but since this one is mucho influenced by a Jewel song (you get your wings if you can guess which one :P) I thought I'd post it to the group. For those of you who read some of my other poems, this one is about the same girl, but a different subject. Here I'm telling her how I feel. Comments welcome, hope ya like it (or hate it even, as long as it stirrs some emotions I've succeeded). "Revealed" by Sinjin How can words that forever haunt my mind Come so reluctantly to my lips? My love kept secret, repressed by fear No longer can my soul endure this torment As I search your eyes, mine try to stay strong But the quiver in my voice gives me away I submit to the tears as that wander down my cheek. I never believed in love at first sight That thought repented the moment you walked in the door Every minute together makes me want another Each time you speak my love just gets stronger An angel once told me true love is forever And we are nothing, nothing without love Then I am nothing, nothing without you. - -- Sinjin@ecn.com Lifeguard, Philosopher, Poet City of Angels JS96 ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 06:09:05 -0400 Subject: NJC: Re: NJC: NAC: 4 ALL EDA's Sinjin wrote: > Speaking of Jewelstock tapes, I can't resist any longer...I have to > know, "Can you hear us yelling stuff at Jewel???" (like requests, or Tom > giving her the words, Liz dissing the Racecar Driver, etc?) In some areas vaguely or not at all, in others a bit, in some quite a bit. Let's put it this way, The Harris Brothers had chili Thursday night before the show and you can tell from the tapes. ;) > Finally, since the newslist is now in effect, do we still gotta use NJC > in our headings? I still am gonna use it. Mike ------------------------------ From: Hiranya@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:43:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Jewel in a book? She was in a book. The interview was a whole chapter. The book was called 'Mind Fire' and it was by Alexander ........ we cant remember his last name. A Canadian author. It was only released in Canada but may have a US publisher by now. It was a pretty interesting chapter. Hiranya ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 08:04:33 EST Subject: Re: NJC: Re: NJC: NAC: 4 ALL EDA's On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 06:09:05 -0400 Mo Harris said: > >In some areas vaguely or not at all, in others a bit, in some quite a bit. >Let's put it this way, The Harris Brothers had chili Thursday night before >the show and you can tell from the tapes. ;) > Hey now! The flatulence problems of the Harris Brothers & family isn't really a proper discussion for the EDA list. Besides, you made a pretty big, um..., stink after your buritto. :) Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: CornflkGl@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:11:28 -0400 Subject: Re: NJC: Jewel and Tori's lungs I was talking to some of my Tori buddies last night, and one of them said she heard a 32 SECOND "girl". I can believe it. It just makes me wish I'd timed the one concert I went to... :), Rachel :) ------------------------------ From: Joe McGuire Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:12:59 -0500 Subject: Jewel News List I thought I would post this again in case anyone missed it. Hello Everyone, Well it's finally here -- the Jewel News Mailing List that is. Here is the info - this is going to get long but please read it all before subscribing: As of now the News list is ready and anyone can subscribe. The news list will be a moderated list and the moderators will take turns approving posts. One moderator will be responsible for a weeks worth of posts. Currently there are 4 moderators. (see attatched FAQ for all email addresses) There is no need to be subscribed to both the Jewel Discussion list and the News List, because the news list will be primarily made up of newsworthy items that were originally posted to the disussion list. If any news items come to the news list without being posted to the original list we will cross post them. To subscribe to the Jewel News List do the following: send email to: jewel-news-request@smoe.org with "subscribe" Without quotes in the body. Not the subject line. To unsubscribe from the Discussion list do the following: send email to: jewel-request@smoe.org with "unsubscribe" Without quotes in the body. Not the subject line. The format for the news list will be loose mail only. There will be no digest option at this time. No one on the news list will be able to post directly to the news list. However if you are subscribed to the news list and have some info that should be posted you can send it in an email to jewel-news@smoe.org and the current moderator on duty will then approve the post. The following is the first couple of paragraphs of the jewel-newa faq that you will receive when subscribing. ..................... Welcome to Innocence Maintained. 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Joe McGuire jemcguir@soltec.com ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 08:43:53 cdt Subject: Re: real JC Re: just my thoughts, you don't have to read the Fuzzy & Piglet s ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: real JC Re: just my thoughts, you don't have to read them Author: Fuzzy & Piglet at NSDSMTP Date: 9/10/96 9:44 PM >hey friends, > I always thought of 1000 miles away as being about being in love with >someone and despite the fact that they are physically a long way away it >feels like they are lying right next to you. Could this song be >autobiographical and the result of a long touring schedule by Jewel. Could be, but I don't think so. This is one of the oldest Jewel songs out there--I think she performed it at the very first Innerchange show I went to--back sometime in early '94. She didnt' have very long touring schedules back then! Jeff ------------------------------ From: Harrisbros@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:53:31 -0400 Subject: NJC: Mac 'n PC musings... ***Karl wrote: >>In closing, I have the following proof of DOS's and Jewel's versatility: I have copied a 600 megabyte game off a CD onto a hard drive, and then masked the directory of the hard drive as a CD-ROM drive so the game would work. Try that on a MAC.<< Meanwhile, I directly transferred eight of my favorite Jewel songs from CDs onto my Mac PowerBook in less than 30 minutes. I then took the PowerBook to a Windows-based client the next day and introduced them to our gem of an entertainer. Jewel's voice impressed them, but not as much as the fact it was playing directly off my Mac PowerBook in full 44kHz stereo. The ability to strip digital code bit for bit (and not go through comprimising analog/digital conversions) as part of the OS made this possible. (The quicktime movie of WWSYS was popular with them as well.) If I want a game machine, I'll buy a Sony Playstation. My PowerMacs make me a living! Come to think of it, I make a fair living off of TROUBLESHOOTING PCs when clients attempt to do exotic things with them (like add a modem, upgrade their OS or software, add any hardware, network, etc...). There is a HUGE difference in platforms. Once you discover it, you'd have to be in denial to well, uh, DENY it... BTW, I'm multi-platform: SGI, Sun, Windoze 3.1/95/NT4.0, Mac and previously Amiga (and soon to include THE computer, the BeBox -- see www.be.com and be blown away). They all are ONLY tools, and I use them all. Some are just better at certain tasks than others. And currently, the PC compatibles are the best game platform and the lowest common denominator in the computing world (so, if you want to have a lot of average at best, go for the bronze!!!). ***Someone posted about "angry Mac people": Mac owners know what they have, and want others to at least check it out. Kind of like dyed-in-the-wool Jewel fans (y'all know any of those types?), who shake their heads at people who listen to mundane artists cause they are the popular "standard", while dismissing Jewel as "lightweight" and too "cutesy" (sound familiar?). The bottom line is once they try Jewel (or the Mac) AND give it a fair shake, their opinions change quickly. But, that's just my opinion... - -- Dennis (I am not a computer geek, I swear) Harris ------------------------------ From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:27:31 -0700 Subject: Re: A Letter to Jewel for Jewelstock Guestbook For those of you new to the list, the EDA's presented Jewel with a guestbook at JS that also included things submitted for inclusion by people that couldn't make the show. Dean Harris and Mike Connell both just brought up the subject of flatulance, so I felt it a good time to vindicate myself for a very misunderstood letter. For those that would like to read the original letter, I'll be glad to forward it. The quotes out of context make it hard to understand. I said: > My first story has a simple serious message and is often misunderstood. It > is about women farting. This is not a story about a fetish, but one of > womens oppression by men. Without reading the entire letter you may think that I'm crazy writing to Jewel about women farting. Many people, including my wife thought I was crazy even after reading it. I then said: > My point could have been made more easily if the subject was > about the millions of women worldwide that are tortured by the mutilating > practice of female circumcision. In order to vindicate myself, I am including a recent article from my local paper. LEGISLATURE OKs BILL TO OUTLAW MUTILATION SACRAMENTO - A bill that would ban the practice of female circumcision cleared the Legislature with unanimous support Thursday. If Gov. Pete Wilson signs it into law within 30 days, as expected, California will join Rhode Island, Tennessee, Minnesota and North Dakota as the only states in the country specifically outlawing this practice. Since its beginnings in ancient Egypt, female circumcision - in which most or all of a girl's exterior sexual organs are excised and her vulva is sewn almost completely shut - has been practiced routinely in 41 countries thoughout Africa and the Middle East. The procedure has been performed on 100 million young girls worldwide - sometimes with lethal results. It is done largely as a means to diminish a women's sexual desire and to ensure her virginity until marriage. 9/6/96 North County Times - Escondido, CA Jewel demonstrated she is not afraid to sing about tough issues, when she opened with her most misunderstood song, POY, at the Del Mar show. She has made child abuse and physical handicaps issues of her songs in a way that is clever and daring, yet moves me to the point of tears. I would challenge Jewel to bring this subject to the many uninformed, in a way only she could. Igor igorwas@smartcitysys.com ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: duff thanks you On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 TJtalken@aol.com wrote: > but what about a Jewel christmas album? only a thought...l don't > want to get in to religious or christmas discussion on the list...but i have > a sort of collection of christmas music...and i thought it would be neat. > duff > It's wierd, I was thinking the same thing. Why? Because my daughters new BMG mailing arrived yesterday and it had lots of holiday records, and Jewels picture was top center on the front of the evelope. This might not be the right time in her career for a Christmas album, and maybe she's not interested, but I like the idea. I'm sure she could come up with a new Christmas song in her style, also. BTW, POY is going for $5.98. I know, artists don't get money from record club sales. But our university just started a student owned and operated radio station. They need music. I though I'd buy POY for them. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ From: Raphael the archangel <75271.2740@CompuServe.COM> Date: 11 Sep 96 11:50:57 EDT Subject: NJC: the poem I wrote,... Angels: On monday night when the power was out, I don't know if it was the violent romantiscism of the wet , windy ,grey ,dark atmosphere created by the hurricane or if it was just a type of creative surge , but the thing is I wrote another poem. It isn't about a hurricane , but it's about a love struggle and the poem is written in such a way that the mood of the poem is similar to the hurracanic atmosphere that was affecting me. "4:37 AM" ( I'm kinda sketchy on the tittle cause I also used this tittle tentatively for a song I wrote some time before) I wake up in gloomy , glueing sweat Remembering in which direction the rain fell that night... She stalked the night with blood-thirsty eyes, but she never knew why the sun burned. Neverknew why the rain never got me wet. Superflous lies and half a bottle of wine. Drunken by her words though I knew that I could easily restrain myself from being amazed by how sweetly melodious her eyes waltzed following the rain. Stranded ,alone and jaded , her skin leaned toward the warmth of the cold night. "There's nothing more surreal than watching your shadow dance behind the insecure tongues of eskeptics (sp?)" Her open arms turned stiff and her overzealous laughter just didn't laugh anymore. Faded dreams and half a bottle of tequila. Her lips caressed the finguertips of the wind , as it blew unexplectedly over our highest hopes. "How much money do you have?" "Enough to steal your soul and leave it ten times cheaper than it ever was" Her white teeth jumped for a second as in supposed comedic reaction , but it's true intentions shone in such a way that the sweet summer night no longer giggled. Distressed emotions and half a six-pack of beer. Wrap around her shoulder , my skin glued itself to hers like an overdued soldier would cling to an unmercifully graceful, angelic hooker. The clock is still awake , her finguers breathed ambiguously over my forehead.... Crisp salt encrusted deep down her throat as if to exalt her taste , for her fiery passion wasn't so passionate anymore, and her straight expectations just perplexed God who in turn ripped her soul out just in time before the mate's skin got tainted... It's 4:37 am and maybe the rain stopped or maybe it didn't and my antagonizing mind is just trying to find reassurance by being dubious at certain points in it's own recollection. by: Rafa p.s: you see i can write normal stuff , lighter to digest than the other one I wrote. until then your auto cheap archangel: Rafa -Do as I say not as I do because the shit so deep you can't runaway- B.J. Armstrong ------------------------------ From: Aaron Matthew Suever Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re:NJC: NAC: 4 ALL EDA's > And remember, you can call me "Slunkers" < You got it, Slunkers :) Wow, I think you came pretty close to the truth with that post about the nature of the list (digest #560 for those who missed it). I am in awe of your powers of observation (I'm being totally sincere here). How did you get all that in just a week of reading all the posts? And you're still only in high school? I've always thought my observation skills were pretty good, but I feel humbled. I haven't read all of last week's posts though, so maybe it's a pretty good snapshot of what this place (list) is, and I'm making much of little. I don't think so though. One of the posts I did read was Wiggy Amy's (btw, why the 1 and 2 in W1GGY2, girl?) about how we read these messages. She was saying we often read these colored by emotions that we're feeling at the time (actually she just said she reads them that way, but I'm sure she's not alone.) Unless you're (I'm talking to everybody here, not just Slunkers) new to email, you've probably experienced this already, maybe even on this list. I was recently having an argument with a friend over email, and when I re-read those messages, I was amazed at how different they sounded. The anger I thought I had read in my friend's email was my own (at least at first...). Then things got ugly and I don't want to talk about it. Miscommunication is always a problem, especially when you have no oral or body language clues. I try to be aware of that every time I ewrite, but I still have (will always have) problems. And have you ever noticed how sometimes it's *not* your fault? The other person just misunderstood you, plain and simple. (Hmm, I need an example here to make my point clear, but I can't think of a good one). I'm not referring to any list people or exchanges here, but rather some off-list experiences. Well, I'm losing track of what I want to say, so I'd better go. Aaron ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #562 ***************************