From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #559 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, 10 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 559 Today's Subjects: ----------------- a little bit of JC, some LC, some HC and snips of NJC NJC - just a tip yawwwwnnnn... (Fuzzy wakes up looks around and sees his shadow) moving on Re: MTV Award Re: re to the 18th power: tori amos guy NJC: Music and Artists impact memories Re: NJC: Music and Artists impact Not Really JC, Tape Fillers RE: Re:re:Re: An article about Tori Amos Re: descartesNJC Rafa Re: memories Print- Fall Preview TV Guide Jewel Re: a little bit of JC, some LC, some HC and snips of NJC NJC: Jewel is a PC (IMO). Hmm...duff's confused Re: NJC: Music and Artists impact Updated Jewel FAQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PAUL KYUSAM KIM Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: a little bit of JC, some LC, some HC and snips of NJC JC= Jewel Content (not conTENT like happy, but CONtent like substance) LC= List Content HC= Hiranya Content (not Hardcover) NJC= Non-Jewel Content wow, three posts from Hiranya in a row that dealt with list posts not specifically Jewel related. Heh heh, we are slowly converting her and warping her mind to the dark side of the list:) Soon she will be one of us, the dark minions of Jeff Wasilko...that didn't make sense. Just wanted to point out that it's new to see Hiranya doing the NJC thing. I always thought that the never-to-be-made sequel for Spaceballs was going to be called Spaceballs III: the Search for Spaceballs II And I also thought that Jimi Hendrix and Yngwie Malmstein (sp) and the Van Halen bros. revolutionized metal music (way before Metallica). Mommmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Wiggy Amy kissed me and now I gots cooties;) Someone posted a little while back when the list was not being so nice, that the veterans on the list haven't (and perhaps should?) write about how the list used to be "in the old days" since there didn't seem to be a basis to which people could point and say "hey, look how far the list has strayed from it's heyday. It's gone to seed and we gotta look to those visionary vets and see how they managed to keep a sane forum on Jewel going." Or something like that. Anyway, I wanted to point out that, while there might be a few people who want to see old-timers write "well in my day, we didn't have no NJC, cause there was no NJC..." and lord knows some people would love to write such things to put everyone back in there place, there would be the contingent who also could not stand such messages and would perhaps send very stern letters, not only personally but also to the list, about how you can't live in the past and things change and evolve and if you can't stand it, leave, blah blahblah. And I would agree with both points. Yes! the newslist is up! So, how small is this list now;) Thanks guys for setting it up. upcoming shows at Amherst College: sept. 19-Jonatha Brooke sept. 24-Freedy Johnston sept. 27-Susan Werner OCt. 24- Tim Reynolds THree November 14- Rory Block Band possibles: oct. 26- Joe Ely Nov. 8- Happy Rhodes Nov. 17- THe Low Road Paul "bwana" Kim ------------------------------ From: Simmons Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:05:12 -0600 Subject: NJC - just a tip >>Thhhhhhhhbbbbbbbbbbbttttttttt :-P~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amy, you're taking that a bit beyond sticking your tongue out. I'd say you're capriciously drooling. ;) Because the Llama told me to -Loki ------------------------------ From: Fuzzy Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 02:07:46 +0600 Subject: yawwwwnnnn... (Fuzzy wakes up looks around and sees his shadow) hey morning all, decided to wake up after just a few days or semi-hibernation. Seems for now your all playing nice, good, keep it up. Corny and Jeff keep spreading the word. Dan wheres my copy, cry cry. Amy cheer up, hugs hugs. Hey hey Crunch boy. So the lists been invaded by smurfs huh? Long live the emporer. Cornholio? Paul TINJCAAITLTY :P ahh my shadow, uh well back to the cave, you should all drop by sometime and visit, just don't mind the smell. hugs, Fuzzy ps: My handler says he might be taking me to some concerts soon, yeah!!! "I'm gonna take you on" -- Republica Rant 'n Rage last update 9/9/96: http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rleigh/robb.html rleigh@vt.edu ------------------------------ From: Sabra Richardson Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: moving on Hey kids, This is not really a goodbye, just a sort of thanks to those on the discussion list as I am moving to the news list. Many thanks to those who wrote me or even know me. And to other people as well: Hiranya for taking personal time to inform; to Neile Graham (wherever she may be) for her logic; Jeff Wasilko for starting the list, keeping it somewhat sane and letting me back on when I bounced; Dan Stark for his excellent taste in music; Colin Stuckless for his original Jewel web page; Kim (SilverKat) for very rare boots and numerous song transcriptions; James Reach for good conversation and Neal Copperman for consoling an underage concert-goer. As lists go, this is one of the nicest. Please make an effort to keep it that way... sabra ------------------------------ From: tom morales Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:20:39 +0100 Subject: Re: MTV Award W1GGY2@aol.com wrote: > > >Just think of Jewel as a Pentium, while Alanis is a Mac...< > > I think you have that backwards, Dan. Ahem. > > :-0 Amy I have to agree with Amy. There is a lot of pc software out there but a lot of it is filler for the masses, whereas mac software is so user friendly and intuitive. ------------------------------ From: tom morales Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:30:35 +0100 Subject: Re: re to the 18th power: tori amos guy Not to pick but the more you try to convince yourself you are sensitive the more you start to sound like Spock. The Great Cornholio wrote: > > People would sing songs about the world falling > apart, but the song itself and it's writer are not the important > thing. The people are. They rebuild society. Musicians, or so I > seem to think, fill the role of writing inspiration for the people. > We don't need musicians. We have ourselves. And that may be a point > the Rambling Man was taking up: that we rely on musicians to inspire > us, that we cannot feel or think without them. And he isn't > necessarily wrong. I have as much feeling and emotion as the next > person, if not more, but we cannot subsist on emotion alone. Those > who think so are only fooling themselves. We need the engineers, the > scientists, to keep us running. We need the musicians, the artists, > to keep us inspired to run. > What was my point? ------------------------------ From: tom morales Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:40:48 +0100 Subject: NJC: Music and Artists impact > By influencing the > masses, they are very much responsible for stimulating change in the > world. Also, musicians are individuals. Even bands. The messages they > convey can change the world as much as could the word of a world leader. > I'm not implying that they always do, but that potential exists, and has > been historically exercised. I have to agree here. I think music really impacted the Vietnam War. And if I was any kind of historian I'm sure I could come up with a few more periods of time where the influence was as strong. ------------------------------ From: jewelfan@juno.com (Lizabeth A Clark) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 02:11:29 EDT Subject: memories Hi my angels. I was bored this evening and I didn't feel like doing my math homework so I looked at some of my old stuff that I saved on my computer. I came across a bunch of old Jewel-list-digests from like April when everyone was talking about 120 Minutes...which I fell asleep for...:-( I even found my first post to the list from around the end of April. I talked about how I had been on the list since January and how I was happy that Jewel was becoming popular but then again I was also sad. Wow...things have sure changed since then!!!! I thought she was very popular then now look at her!!!! The mood of the list was different then too....there was a lot more talk about Jewel and the list frequently received bulk junk email about crap. Most of the conversations had to do with Jewel even though some were weird like Jewel being gay...remember that one??? There was even mention about how Jewel would possibly perform at the HFS festival. The list was a lot more dosile. It didn't have as much character as it does now. (I mean there was VERY little mention of Fuzzy and the whole Harrisbros thing hadn't even occured!) I think that may have something to do with the fact that many more of us were able to meet because of JS and friendships have been formed. I also came across my post looking for a ride to JS and the many flames I received about safety in return...DEAN HARRIS!!! ;-) Well guess what...I made it there and it was great AND I am still alive!!!! Well I am finished reminiscing for the evening! Good day! -Liz PHILLY HERE I COME...HOPEFULLY!!!!!!! ~Lizabeth A. Clark Liz Clark e-mail: JEWELFAN@juno.com or JEWELFAN22@aol.com Visit me: http://www.endor.org/jewel/yearbook/entries/34.html ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: NJC: Music and Artists impact On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, tom morales wrote: > > By influencing the > > masses, they are very much responsible for stimulating change in the > > world. Also, musicians are individuals. Even bands. The messages they > > convey can change the world as much as could the word of a world leader. > > I'm not implying that they always do, but that potential exists, and has > > been historically exercised. > I have to agree here. I think music really impacted the Vietnam War. > And if I was any kind of historian I'm sure I could come up with a few > more periods of time where the influence was as strong. To sound off on this, I defer to some more intelligent folk than myself: "Plato said 'when the music of a society changes, the whole society will change.' Aristotle, a contemporary of Plato, said 'when music changes there should be laws to govern the nature and the character of that music.' Lenin said 'the best and the quickest way to undermine any society is through its music.'" Few people more powerful and intelligent than them. :-) Tom "This damned nation, needing salvation Reach out! Teach in musical elation." ------------------------------ From: scott1@wolfe.net Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Not Really JC, Tape Fillers I was just listening to one of the tapes Gerrit so kindly sent me (specifically the 2/7/1996 Blind Pig show) and for the first time listened to the fillers... I'd never even bothered with them. Now I notice, there're two by some of my favorite artists. Both Ani Difranco (it's "32 Flavors" though) and Poe! How nifty! And that Suzanne Little lady is pretty cool too. Now to the point. The version of "Trigger Happy Jack" is awesome. Anyone know where it came from? I've never really liked the one on the album ("Hello," it's definitely worth getting) and would love to get my hands on a copy of this one (hopefully on CD). Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks for your time. Ben Scott ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Molten Lasciviousness" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 02:46:58 -0700 Subject: RE: Re:re:Re: An article about Tori Amos I would like to change my position on this. Having decided that my reply to this post was much too philosophical, I would now like to know if Jewel prefers crunchy or smooth peanut butter. I don't recall reading it in the FAQ. This of course will not affect my own choice of peanut butter, as for me smooth is the only choice. Where treads the voltman, crunchy is not an option. Oh yeah, and I'm casting my vote for PC's. volt *** At 09:45 PM 9/9/96 -0700, Mr. Molten Lasciviousness wrote: >>>> At 10:44 PM 9/9/96 -0400, W1GGY2@aol.com wrote: >Newt writes: >> I think he does have a point. Musicians, while having meaning to us >personally, do not dictate society. They influence the masses, but they >aren't personally responsible for any change in the world. >That takes individuals. I disagree here as well. There are contradictions in the above statements: namely, that musicians influence the masses but aren't personally responsible for any change in the world. By influencing the masses, they are very much responsible for stimulating change in the world. Also, musicians are individuals. Even bands. The messages they convey can change the world as much as could the word of a world leader. I'm not implying that they always do, but that potential exists, and has been historically exercised. >There must be a reason WHY musicians are given so much importance. It's not >ignorance. It's the fact that they (sometimes) say what we feel and they >bring us together and often make us feel less alone. There you go. I think it's clear why musicians are given such importance. Because they, as much as anyone else, are social leaders. But instead of being authority figures, they are the hearts and minds and consciences of the masses. As Amy pointed out above, they often express quite clearly the things that we think and feel and need to express, and under the auspices of artistic expression, rather than a coercive force such as government. That's one of the key differences, that people can relate so well with music and musicians because it is something that they have readily and willfully accepted, rather than having been made to accept or suffer the consequences. >Mia wrote: >>During a really not that fabulous first couple of weeks back at school, >Jewel's music is one thing that always is medatative enough to keep me sane >and happy, and in touch with simple life facts people all so often >forget...like human kindess, and peace. << > >I think that sums it up pretty well. Sorry if I've been a little mushy. > Don't be. I think that at one time or another we all share more or less the same thoughts, hopes, dreams and fears, and there's no need to apologize for expressing that. =) I thought Mia summed it up pretty well too. volt <<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 07:46:53 EST Subject: Re: descartesNJC On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 18:23:24 EDT you said: >Personally, I love Descarte's rule of signs that is useful in finding the >root(s) of an equation. I think that I enjoy a Jewel just an teency >weency bit more. There are almost tied....ok not really....I hate math >even though I am good at it and would much rather sit on my bed on a >Monday night listening to Jewel and pondering the meaning of life that is >expressed through her songs rather than writing about polynomial and >rational functions which I have to do tonight!!! ARGH ARGH ARGH!!!! >Please....someone tell me when I am going to need this information in >life except for hen my kids need help with their homework. I am not gonna >be a teacher, a scientist, doctor or mathematician so WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >AHHH!!!! I am sorry for venting on the "Jewel list" but I am frustrated >and a soft point was hit by earlier posts!!!! > I'll be back to my sweet angelic humanoid self in no >time. > -Liz > OK! I have to answer this wayward child's (just kidding Liz) question. All kids (yes, you're still a kid) seem to not understand the need for higher math when they are actually taking it in HS. True, most will never actually use it in their careers. But that's not why you are taking it now. Math is the best subject for creating thought processes that will help you solve any problem, mathematical or not, as your life progresses. I look at those higher math classes as brain expanding exercises that produce abstract thought and problem solving. So what if you never use the actual math. It WILL help you in the future. Even if you never can tell it was the math that helped. That's enough of my preaching to the youth of America (and other parts of the world). Dean "I'm not a math teacher, but I play one on TV" Harris ------------------------------ From: Patric Oesterheld Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:39:00 -0400 Subject: Rafa Just wanted to send a message out to tell everyone to take a second out of your day and think about Rafa. Looks as if Hortense hit Puerto Rico pretty hard. News reports say only two roads are passable on the whole island. I'm sure everyone on the list hopes for the besat for him. ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 08:19:53 EST Subject: Re: memories On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 02:11:29 EDT you said: >meet because of JS and friendships have been formed. I also came across >my post looking for a ride to JS and the many flames I received about >safety in return...DEAN HARRIS!!! ;-) Well guess what...I made it there >and it was great AND I am still alive!!!! Well I am finished reminiscing >for the evening! > I was just looking out for the safety of our younger EDAs. I meant you no disrespect, but rather was attempting to portray a protective, kinda big brother feeling. And I like to think it was my post (and others like it), that convinced you to convince (or was it bribe) your big-sis into taking you. Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: ABershaw@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:08:11 -0400 Subject: Print- Fall Preview TV Guide Jewel Hi all, Theres an article about the Chicago Democratic Convention on pages 148-149 of the new Fall Preview TV Guide that features a b & w picture of Jewel interviewing Secretary of Labor Robert Reich & has a brief quote from Jewel--Mr BB ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: a little bit of JC, some LC, some HC and snips of NJC On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, PAUL KYUSAM KIM wrote: > And I also thought that Jimi Hendrix and Yngwie Malmstein (sp) and the > Van Halen bros. revolutionized metal music (way before Metallica). In a way Jimi Hendrix was acutally the genises of heavy metal. A music reviewer in NYC heard him and said his music sounded like heavy metal falling on the stage (something like that). That was the first recorded use of the term. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ From: Karl M Fields Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NJC: Jewel is a PC (IMO). If you don't like the PC/Mac, Jewel/Alanis debate stop here. To be read in humorous tone. No offense intended ;) > ***Jewel: Pentium or Mac? I'm going to have to say PC. > Jewel is an original, through and through. (Mac) Mac's, like Alanis, are "canned." I don't think they are as versitile as PC's or Jewel. > Jewel spurs creativity. (Mac) Obviously you haven't had the pleasure of working with AUTOEXEC.BAT files. Macs, like Alanis, are point and click. With PC's you have to look deep down inside youself to figure out how to free up 3K of memory so you can run a game you just droped $50 on. > Jewel has always been user-friendly. (Mac) Are you saying DOS isn't fiendly? It's got UNIX hands down. > Jewel innovates and makes her own market. (Mac) All Mac peripherals are "Canned" like their software. It is computer Communism I say. That's why it has its own market. They aren't open to the world market. > Jewel ain't no cheap wanna-be. (Mac) You think a 166Mhz Pentium is cheap? > Jewel appeals to a select mindset, not necessarily the masses. (Mac) Like DOS. (Not to be confused with Windows.) > Someone needs to talk Apple into hiring Jewel for endorsements! Then I'd buy a Mac. I think that Jewel is a little more spartan (for lack of a better word. I dont mean sparse, but rather from the "roots" kind of meaning) than the "made for radio" works of others. I listen to POY daily (when I go to sleep at night) and I love it, but I can't really imagine hearing most of the songs on the radio. To bring the analogy full circle... I think that the Mac, although "user friendly" is purpose built to be so, and while the users creativity with the software is unlimited, the hardware and software, themselves, are limited because they must be approved, and verified, and sterilized. This makes me think of Alanis. Preconceived. The PC seems more of a frontier to be explored. The land of opportunity hides behind that black and empty screen. Some people take one look, and decide that it is not for them, and don't give it a second chance. A select few venture on and find the a land of rainbows and happy trees living behing the ominous black screen. I think that people listen to Jewel with a closed mind, and stereotype her music as "not for them" without really giving her a chance. If they knew anything about her I think they would have a more open outlook. Like DOS. In closing, I have the following proof of DOS's and Jewel's versatility: I have copied a 600 megabyte game off a CD onto a hard drive, and then masked the directory of the hard drive as a CD-ROM drive so the game would work. Try that on a MAC. Jewel invited about 500 people to come and listen to her sing some of the songs that were going to be on her new CD. Then she went outside and talked to everyone for an hour. Try that with some other musician. Karl "Jewel is like DOS" Fields Karl M Fields kmf29184@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu ------------------------------ From: TJtalken@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:04:47 -0400 Subject: Hmm...duff's confused someone please help me...the Newslist is up? what's the subscribe address...or did i miss it already? and what about those concert dates? what are the unannouced ones? or did i miss that too? duff ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:09:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: NJC: Music and Artists impact On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, tom morales wrote: > I have to agree here. I think music really impacted the Vietnam War. > And if I was any kind of historian I'm sure I could come up with a few > more periods of time where the influence was as strong. > I turned 18 in 1968. A scary time to do that. Music then, specificaly song, definitely had an influence on the way people thought. 'Where Have all The Flowers Gone' and 'Blowin in the Wind' were offset by 'Ballad of the Green Berets' and the like. 'One Tin Soldier'(?) by Coven and 'For What it's Worth' by Buffalo Springfield influence my thinking as much as Thomas Aquinas or Milton. Song is an integral part of human communication. Examples can be found for almost every period of this conutry's history from settlement, the various wars and for social movements (abolition, temperance, sufferage, labor, peace). Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu And it's one, two, three what are we fightin' for? Don't tell me, I don't give a damn Next stop is Viet Nam Five, six, seven open up those pearly gates Ain't no time to wonder why Yippee, we're all gonna die -Coutry Joe and the Fish ------------------------------ From: surfrank@32958.Surf.Tach.Net (Tach.Net User) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:53:18 -0400 Subject: Updated Jewel FAQ My E-mail program crashed and deleted all mail including the Jewel FAQ. Can someone please direct me to where I can download or view an updated FAQ? Thanks. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #559 ***************************