From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #549 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Saturday, 7 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 549 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: please help me Jewel On FridayNight Videos Re: disapearing seeds. NJC Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so I Got my Farmaid Tix!!! List Content:rehash and response mtv awards - jewel Re: Who will save her soul...not MTV!! Re: Jewel at the awards Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so Jewel's unperformed acceptance speech Jewelstock memories Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so Why can't I post? Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so Re: Jewel at the awards Fwd: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so STOP IT Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so Jewel Re: Fwd: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so Re: STOP IT NJC: IRC right now ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: random@frugal.com Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:19:17 -0700 Subject: Re: please help me >i am being allowed to write this to tell you that >i am alive and well. the aliens have kept me alive >on a diet of Skittles and Cran-grape juice. each >day they let me exercise on a large hamster exer- >cise wheel. every afternoon they ask me lots and >lots of questions. i can't understand them. so, i >just stick my tongue out at them. it remains many >colors from the Skittles. this fascinates the aliens. >they think this is a normal human trait. i fear they >are going to cut out my tongue. help. > All i can saay is stop sticking your tongue out stupid! ------------------------------ From: gegertha@tiac.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:40:34 -0500 Subject: Jewel On FridayNight Videos Hi Angels This is a call to all angels who care about Jewel. She is on Jukebox #2 on Friday Night Videos. She is competing against Celine Dion and No Doubt. All you have to do to vote for her is call 1-800-5853-742. They will give you instructions. If you are interested please hurry. I'm not sure when but I do know the phone lines close soon. It's not MTV but it is a good accomplishment. Hope she wins. Chris Snyder. ------------------------------ From: tom morales Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 00:46:44 +0100 Subject: Re: disapearing seeds. NJC Selena wrote: > > I already have figured out that I am a paranoid person with an > overactive imagination... > but isnt it strange that Akira disapears. Then Mike Connell > vanishes.. > Are you thinking what I'm thinking? > :) Selena Tell us what your thinking. Aliens? ------------------------------ From: plus@seark.net (plus) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 03:39:39 -0500 Subject: Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so >Maybe its just me on the whole list but I really like Alanis and her voice. >I really respect her for singing by herself and she has lots of style and class >and keep in mind she's only 21. Jewel is good too and she is fuuny and cool but >her and Alanis have totally different singing styles and I dont think the two >should be compared. same here. i knew about alanis waaaay before she became famous. i heard her on the cmj cd and found out about her like that, but now i think she's gotten too mainstream. it's all good tho'. i have nothing against her. i love both of them. they're both excellent singers to me. but the good point about sarah's post is that they do have different singing styles, and i too don't think they should be compared. plus ------------------------------ From: Katie McCurry Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I Got my Farmaid Tix!!! Hey guys- I got my Farmaid Tix this morning- Section2 Row 1 ! ( In the stadium area- Not on the turf) They have expanded the line-up to include (among others) :Rusted Root ( Yea!!), John Melloncamp, tim mcgraw, Beach boys, etc. The select -a-seat page has info & More ticket numbers www.select-a-seat.com/farmaid or call : (800)727-TIXX ticketmaster: (919)834-4000 (704)522-6500 (404)249-6400 capitol: (803)251-2222 SEE YOU THERE!!! Love, Katie ><}}}"> ------------------------------ From: PAUL KYUSAM KIM Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 10:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: List Content:rehash and response I remember at least 4 different people who have made some stupid mistakes in trying to unsub from the list, and the mistakes really get my goat (thank god I can save the goat before it's slaughtered). First these people send the unsubscribe message to the whole list instead of the proper place (like majordomo). It's in the freakin' FAQ, for cryin' out loud! second they write unsubscribe wrong. Oftentimes, they spell it differently in the subject line from how they spell it in the body of the message. Come on! How pressed for time can they be to not be able to type the damn word correctly or even the same way, or are they just lacking in brain function. And the last person who did this also spelled digest wrong! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Oh, yeah, it's naive, not nieve. Just a little snippy today am I. And I hope the Jewel vs. Alanis thread is not the next allconsuming thread on this list. THis will sound very wrong and biased and challenging and evil, but i'll say it anyways: is it just me, or is the list being overrun by the younger folks? I don't know everyone's ages, but I think that this whole thread is being thrown about by those younger then me and that in general, the teens on this list are growing in number and in messages sent. I guess it's another evolution of the list. *sigh* and plus, at least in Maryland, Alanis' You Oughta Know was getting major airplay before the CMJ came out (that was around June of last year). BUt of course this could be related to the marketing push conspiracy theory concerning Maverick and their almost forcing radio stations to put her into high rotation. Dan, is it true that this is how Alanis' remarkable career got jump-started? Tom Morales, how old are you? Are you a teacher? What's it like and what degrees and stuff did you need to become a teacher? Selena, the lyrics of Absence of Fear say: Inside my skin There is this SPACE (not face) or maybe it's "place" anyways, explain it to Krystal that it's her heart and it's broken or hurting, yearning for the "you" of the song. THen it makes it a nice little love song:) Rachel Martin, did you get my message about the Eleanor show and how I can't meet up with you guys at 5:30 because of one of my classes? I will be able to make it to the show in time. But you should organize a meeting time with Jason and come by Amherst sometime to pick up the tickets for you and him. Tell me when you can drop by the campus center, and I'll be there for you. Paul "agape philios caritas" Kim ------------------------------ From: Tolyatti@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 12:48:07 -0400 Subject: mtv awards - jewel when is she playing live? anyone know? i want to record it. please rsvp soon! thanks ~dan~ ------------------------------ From: Colin Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 12:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Who will save her soul...not MTV!! > That's it!!! I've found the solution!!! >Jewel....doing the Macarena....she'll be triple platinum!! >Yessssss!!!! >Jewel...what do you think? ;) >Heeeheheehehheheehee! >HEY, MACARENA!!!!!!! > > an obsessed angel(with a repressed mind), > ~sTeVe~ Uh that would be a bad thing... If jewel got into doing to the macarena I would probably develope new tastes... macarena is BAD. EVIL, WORK OF THE DEVIL.. just to let everybody on the list know.... Macarena is a spanish song, in which the lyrics are a poem in themselves. In other words, the version by los del rio is really really really wrong. By the way.. it's AY MACARENA! ------------------------------ From: Colin Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 12:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Jewel at the awards At 12:47 PM 9/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >I am sorry to say this but Alanis did deserve to get all those awards and I >would have been pissed if Jewel won, Alanis has been in the top 10 albums for >like a year and she had alot of guts singing by her self on the awards and she >did a very good job. Jewel is a good singer and she will probley get a award >next year but for as for this year im glad Alanis won. Alanis and Jewel has hell >of a couple of voices, next year they sing together? > CoOl, Sarah Mog Sorry but I have to add my 2 bits.... JEWEL is MUCH better than alanis annoyingsette. Jewel sings her songs with passion, power, and poetry; Alanis just cracks her voice... I CAN CRACK MY VOICE.. does that mean I'm as good as Alanis? I think alanis can go back to nickelodeon and finish up her talentless life.. ------------------------------ From: Colin Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 12:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so Jewel is good too and she is fuuny and cool but >her and Alanis have totally different singing styles and I dont think the two >should be compared. > CoOl, Sarah Mog > You're right... Alanis and Jewel DO have totally different singing styles... Jewel is talented and Alanis isn't.. Case closed. ------------------------------ From: NeOblCar@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:20:17 -0400 Subject: Jewel's unperformed acceptance speech Does anyone wonder what Jewel would have said had she won the stupid MTV awards? I have heard that the winners are pretty much told they are going to win, or at least they are told if they have no plans in showing up. Do we think Jewel knew before hand?? (Or is this like pro-wrestling -- everyone knows it's fake but were not supposed to mention it.) I think, and not just because I'm an EDA, that she would have blown the roof off with some deep, unpretentious, humble words. I have seen very few performers able to just break your cynical defenses and melt your heart like Jewel does during an interview or speech. (I even love it when she's obnoxious girl!) I would just love to see what she had planned to say. That would've meant more to me than her receiving the award recognition any day. (I'm sure Jewel would rather have the award, but hey... I'm sensitively self-absorbed and I'd like to stay that way.) Just a thought, Rob ------------------------------ From: rwm126@email.psu.edu (Rich Melko) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 14:21:28 -0400 Subject: Jewelstock memories It seems that some of us have been getting a little upset with one another. I thought it might be a good idea to remember that wonderful event we called JeweStock. Here is some stuff that I must of wrote when I got back. It pretty much sums up the feelings I was left with after that weekend. Sunrise to Sunset Nestled in valleys, green mountains rise >From the air we steal life Life slowly taken by times greedy hands Leaving us with transparent memories. Don't let those memories become transparent for me. There we sat all of us uncomonly genuine With a common love Some may say an obcessive passion Ears that crave the same To quench their thirst The entire world existing in a tiny room Fearless patrons of an idealistic existence They are pretty bad which explains why I never posted them then but since I feel comfortable enough to look dumb in front of all of you, I posted them now. Just wanted to say that the next time you feel angry at another EDA just remember those feelings and let it pass. Rich Melko rwm126@psu.edu ################################# Jerry - You're Crazy. Kramer - Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind. ################################# ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Molten Lasciviousness" Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 11:48:29 -0700 Subject: Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so At 12:11 PM 9/7/96 -0600, Colin wrote: > Jewel is good too and she is fuuny and cool but >>her and Alanis have totally different singing styles and I dont think the two >>should be compared. > > You're right... Alanis and Jewel DO have totally different singing >styles... Jewel is talented and Alanis isn't.. Case closed. Yeah, you're right. Alanis has about as little talent as Jewel has. Case re-opened. volt ------------------------------ From: Darren Kasai Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 12:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Why can't I post? I don't think I'm receiving any of the messages I'm posting. Is anyone receiving this? ------------------------------ From: Hunter <102001.217@CompuServe.COM> Date: 07 Sep 96 15:19:23 EDT Subject: Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so >>styles... Jewel is talented and Alanis isn't.. Case closed. >Yeah, you're right. Alanis has about as little talent as Jewel has. >Case re-opened. Okay people who are arguing, this issue is not worth arguing, and is obviously going nowhere. When my firends went out and saw "Ace Ventura: Pet Detective", they were raving about how good it was. I later rented it, and decided that it was one of the worst movies that I had ever seen in my life. All this boils down to is that people have different preferences. Some people loved "Spaceballs"; some hated it. Some like reading poems; some don't. Some people like Alanis; some don't. Both of you just have to realize that not everybody is going to agree with you. Hunter "another dern teenager posting to the list" Eggink p.s. I think the statement about Alanis having no talent was just a statement wrote in frustration. I don't think it was really meant. ------------------------------ From: rwm126@email.psu.edu (Rich Melko) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 14:54:18 -0400 Subject: Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so >At 12:11 PM 9/7/96 -0600, Colin wrote: >> Jewel is good too and she is fuuny and cool but >>>her and Alanis have totally different singing styles and I dont think >the two >>>should be compared. >> >> You're right... Alanis and Jewel DO have totally different >singing >>styles... Jewel is talented and Alanis isn't.. Case closed. > >Yeah, you're right. Alanis has about as little talent as Jewel has. >Case re-opened. Here we go again. This leaves me with an empty feeling in my stomache. Anyone who takes anothers opinion as gospel and perceives offense in it is looking at the ass end of the situation. Rich Melko rwm126@psu.edu ################################# Jerry - You're Crazy. Kramer - Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind. ################################# ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Molten Lasciviousness" Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 12:39:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Jewel at the awards At 12:09 PM 9/7/96 -0600, Colin wrote: > > Sorry but I have to add my 2 bits.... JEWEL is MUCH better than >alanis annoyingsette. Jewel sings her songs with passion, power, and >poetry; Alanis just cracks her voice... You haven't listened to Alanis. You may have heard her, but you haven't listened. Either that, or you're totally without aural perception. They are both young, musically and lyrically gifted artists, neither of whom deserve the harsh criticisms you offer. Ask Jewel if she thinks Alanis has talent. I'll bet her opinion is different from yours. >I CAN CRACK MY VOICE.. does that mean I'm as good as Alanis? I can crack my voice as well, and I've heard Jewel's voice crack on the tapes. That's not what defines anyone's talent (although I can't really speak for you). >I think alanis can go back to nickelodeon and finish up her talentless life.. I know a lot people who feel that way about Jewel, that she can go crawl back in her van and die, but it doesn't make them right, and I don't mind standing up and saying so. Admittedly, I didn't expect to hear such thoughtless and provocative criticism here. I'll stop defending Alanis here, because this is a Jewel list, ergo this is an argument I can't win, not here. But I think people should be a little more sensitive when posting attacks on other artists -- Jewel is NOT the only talented artist out there, and those other artists may have fans on this list as well. volt ------------------------------ From: SDFAngel@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:55:31 -0400 Subject: Fwd: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so Alanis? As talented as Jewel? I think not. Instrumentals:suggnificant edge Jewel Lyrics:vast edge Jewel vocal gymnastics:vast edge Jewel just where does Alanis stack up? Four million albums to one million? People disappoint me with how limited their metallity really is. Alanis sings about the most basic thoughts. Anybody and everybody has them. There is nothing brilliant or even special about them. She doesn't even know the deffinition of ironic. Those things aren't Ironic, they just suck! The song sould be entitled "doesn't that suck!" These ideas are so common and basic that they are geared to a five year old. Then again the CDs that make money are $11.99 CDs, the crown jewel of my collection cost me $204. It's the gold master of a rarity but that's also the difference between Jewel and Alanis. Jewel is a rarity. A unicorn as I call her.(Create to the song "Spaceman" by Belly). Alanis is accidently awesome at entertaining idiots. She doesn't even know how she does it but it works. She sings anything that come to mind and people buy 4,000,000 copies of "Jagged Little Pill" it's sick! SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: volt@best.com (Mr. Molten Lasciviousness) Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org To: jewel@smoe.org Date: 96-09-07 14:49:34 EDT At 12:11 PM 9/7/96 -0600, Colin wrote: > Jewel is good too and she is fuuny and cool but >>her and Alanis have totally different singing styles and I dont think the two >>should be compared. > > You're right... Alanis and Jewel DO have totally different singing >styles... Jewel is talented and Alanis isn't.. Case closed. Yeah, you're right. Alanis has about as little talent as Jewel has. Case re-opened. volt ------------------------------ From: plus@seark.net (plus) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:51:43 -0500 Subject: STOP IT it seems that everyone on this list has way different opinions about alanis. this thread looks like one that doesn't have an answer, so let's just put it away. there are too many different things about them to compare. it seems obvious that it's not going to be settled, so please, just stop posting about this. even the ppl who agree with me, don't post anything about this thread. let's just forget we even discussed this one, please, cause if we continue it, there is going to be some major hate mail. i already posted one but that's in the past and i can't do anything about it. there isn't anyone on this list who can tell us who's better or worse cause everyone had different opinions. let's just end it here, please. plus ------------------------------ From: Soul42@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:16:39 -0400 Subject: Re: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so That says it all. ------------------------------ From: Thomas Hungerford Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 12:53:06 -0700 Subject: Jewel Anyone Know if jewel is comeing to Oregon with Neil YOung or not? ------------------------------ From: "BRADLEY C. PORTER" Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:37:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Fwd: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so to Superdeformed angel... > > just where does Alanis stack up? Four million albums to one million? > People disappoint me with how limited their metallity really is. Alanis > sings about the most basic thoughts. Anybody and everybody has them. There > is nothing brilliant or even special about them. She doesn't even know the > deffinition of ironic. Those things aren't Ironic, they just suck! The song > sould be entitled "doesn't that suck!" These ideas are so common and basic > that they are geared to a five year old. > The most basic things are the most beuatiful, and speak to the most people in the truest terms. Jewel sings mostly about love, the most basic of all. Every Beatle tune ever released was written off about four chords, and it was all about love. Yet it's some of the best music I have ever experienced. I wouldn't be so quick to judge something just because I think it's simple, those things could actually have the most depth. And you might want to check your definitionof "ironic" too. I don't mean to bitch or flame, but it burns me when somebody closes thri mind and writes something off just because they don't "like it". Oh yeah, and I think Metallica has talent too..... ;) SenztvRtst Kermit Scooter Theatre Guy "I'm a ramblin' man, just aramblin' man...R A M B L I N......apostrophe." -Steve Martin ------------------------------ From: Tolyatti@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:43:01 -0400 Subject: jewel vs. Alanis I dont think so the only ironic thing about that video is that there isnt anything ironic about it... Metallica roolZ! ~metal dan~ ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Molten Lasciviousness" Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 18:23:05 -0700 Subject: Re: STOP IT At 03:51 PM 9/7/96 -0500, plus wrote: > >there isn't >anyone on this list who can tell us who's better or worse cause everyone had >different opinions. let's just end it here, please. > I agree completely. I didn't want to get into this, and I'll not post another thing in Alanis' defense, as promised. I respect that everyone has different opinions about different artists, but I felt obligated to defend Alanis since people like to offer up their ignorance in place of open-mindedness and call that truth. That's not what this list is about, not from what I've seen. All I'm asking is that people not be insulting about other people's listening choices, because we are all sensitive, and nobody likes for others to sit in judgement upon their personal choices. I really don't think that's unreasonable. Not only that, but Alanis doesn't have a representative here to defend her. People get so caught up in their limited perspectives and self-righteousness that they don't stop to think whether they should spew their crap without a thought for the feelings of others. I think any of us would stand up to defend Jewel where it was warranted, and I was only acting on that same principle. volt ------------------------------ From: Hunter <102001.217@CompuServe.COM> Date: 07 Sep 96 21:41:19 EDT Subject: NJC: IRC right now Hey IRC people- It's 9:30 edt now.... where are you? Hunter p.s. sorry for all the people who didn't want to read this ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #549 ***************************