From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #437 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Thursday, 1 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 437 Today's Subjects: ----------------- "Ode to the Guitar" by Pablo Neruda NJC Re: Martha Quinn More Deep Thoughts, by MrNoctrnl GOODBYE TO ALL MY FRIENDS Dennis, You hurt Fuzzy's feelings NJC: olympics, only 19 more digests to go! Re: Regarding P Griffins Set Not Being Distributed Re: NJC: a short note MTV2- maybe Jewel? and Re: HAYDEN-check him out! NJC Me and Two New Fans Re: I feel welcomed Re: "Hi-Speed Dubbing" or "Alvin's Revenge" Dennis Gets Serious [Fwd: NJC: olympics, only 19 more digests to go!] Re: NJC: Olympics, changing programming... Re: Regarding P Griffins Set Not Being Distributed Re: Politically Incorrect Mention the new single NJC: Totally weird request for M&M picture. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Pirate King Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 22:14:44 -0700 Subject: "Ode to the Guitar" by Pablo Neruda Surprise! Life at the Sunnyvale Public Library isn't all John Grisham and "Damn Good Resume" Guides. Amid the stacks I found "Odes to Common Things" by Jewel-idol Pablo Neruda, and within the covers I found the following translation of "Oda a la guitarra." I'm not convinced that this poem was the inspiration for "Louisa and Her Blue Guitar," but it is a wonderful homage to a beautiful instrument; I can easily envision Big Blue amid these words. The translation is by Ken Krabbenhoft, the book published by Little, Brown and Company. Enjoy. "Ode to the guitar" by Pablo Neruda Slender, perfect profile of a musical heart, you are clarity itself captured in flight. Through song you endure: your shape alone will never pass away. Is it the harsh grief that pours out of you, your thrumming beats, or the buzzing of wings: is this what I'll recall? Or are you more thoroughly thrilling in silence, the dove schematized or a woman's hip, a pattern that emerges from its foam and reappears: a turgid, tumbled and resurrected rose. Beneath a fig tree, by the rough-running river Bio-Bio, you left your nest like a bird, guitar, and delivered to swarthy hands those long-lost trysts, muffled sobs, and endless successions of farewells. Song poured out of you, a marriage between man and guitar, forgotten kisses from an unforgettable, unforgiving lady. In this way the entire night became the star-studded body of a guitar. The firmament trembled in its musical canopy, while the river tuned its infinite strings, sweeping toward the sea a pure tide of scents and sorrows. O rich solitude that arrives with the night, solitude like bread made of earth, solitude sung by a river of guitars! The world shrinks to a single drop of honey, or one star, and through the leaves everything is blue: trembling, all of heaven sings. And the woman who plays both earth and guitar bears in her voice the mourning and the joy of the most poignant moment. Time and distance fall away from the guitar. We are a dream, an unfinished song. The untamed heart rides back roads on horseback: over and over again it dreams of the night, of silence, over and over again it sings of the earth, of its guitar. - ----- "Pablo Neruda. PABLO NAY-ROO-DAH!" - John Heard, "Mindwalk" The original Spanish version is, of course, more beautiful than the translation, and I'm sure different translations exist of this poem. I'd make my own translation for y'all, but my Spanish isn't good enough to do this wonderful piece of poetry justice. Instead, I've just partaken in a nice bit of illegal copyright infringement. Great, now I'm running from both the Greek Mafia AND the U.S. Government. Maybe Greenland has good Internet access ... - - Carter Navarro, CARTER NUH-VAR-ROW! ------------------------------ From: Fuzzy & Piglet Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 01:53:07 +0600 Subject: NJC Re: Martha Quinn >say that I NEVER found the Bionic Woman attractive. BTW, who's Chuck >Taylor? Other than the fact that I've worn his Converse shoes on and off I have to respond to this: Chuck Taylor's are Converse All stares, the classic canvis shoe of America since at least the late fifties Fuzzy and Robb Fuzzy's Den (last update 22:00 7/29): http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rleigh/robb.html coming soon to the Den "The unofficial Kitchens of Distinction Page" ------------------------------ From: MrNoctrnl@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 02:13:17 -0400 Subject: More Deep Thoughts, by MrNoctrnl Is addiction always a bad thing? I mean, can we be addicted to something that has a positive connotation? If so, I believe that I am addicted to happiness. I drift day-to-day ever in search of that elusive fix... I sometimes foolishly ignore the so-called important things in life like school and work in order to satisfy my craving of silence and harmony. I was thinking about 'Little Sister', which has to do with addiction. But, I was wondering if this is also a negative thing. Am I knocking at the door of Mr. So and So when I deny my responsibilities? Or is that the white bread that we have instead of handshakes and hugs? Perhaps I should seek the wisdom of Buddha in this... i.e. Take the Middle Path. If my ponderings are annoying any of you, I apologize. I like to wax philosophical every now and again, and I enjoy hearing the thoughts of the other EDAs. Plus, IMHO, Jewel's lyrics are wonderful and very prophetic when looked at analytically. Oh, and I'm a psych major... go figure. Duncan, EDA size XL P.S. I know someone mentioned this before... but wouldn't it be hilarious to hear a Jewel cover of Phoebe's 'Smelly Cat' from 'Friends'? ------------------------------ From: reach@fishnet.net (James Reach) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 23:34:04 PDT Subject: GOODBYE TO ALL MY FRIENDS I will be unsubscribing to this list because I am so busy in other community affairs. I love Jewel, Nedra and all the wonderful friends I have met on this list. Please feel feel to write me personal E-Mail. As for the Lyrics Archive, I will attempt to upload it to Jeff's FTP site, ftp.smoe.org, but not at least until the weekend of August 17th or so. If you want to step forth and become the official lyric archivist, and this means you, Tom Proven, please write me and I can pass the baton on. Love to you all, James Reach ------------------------------ From: Fuzzy & Piglet Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 03:23:51 +0600 Subject: Dennis, You hurt Fuzzy's feelings As if it were not enough that Fuzzy is not able to make it to either the NH show, one I really really tried to make, nor the Nashville show (something he is very upset about, he was looking forward to meeting people he missed at JS, spending more time with ones he had met at JS, and really looking forward to meeting the people who for one reason or another were not at JS) but now he has to have someone he considers a friend talk trash, well that's just bad, I think someone needs a time out little mister! There is an upside to this, Fuzzy will get to meet his cousins (my brother's kids) during those weeks, it should make up for some of the hurt. Though I swear I see him get that far away look in his eyes everytime Jewel plays on the sterio, oh the thoughts of a young bear. And yes he is jewelous of the Grizzelies who got to see Jewel on her camping trip and yes they did behave themselves. Where are the Guardians of Fuzz (Rachel, Liz, Tony, Jennifer, Catherine, and last but not least Christine) when he needs them? Ahh look at him, the little guy has finally fallen asleep, he so cute when he is sleeping, but 'Zilla well that's different, btw: California people, Godzilla has hit the coast, big film fest, parade, whole works. Time is slowing down so it is off to bed for this college student, take care all you Angels, Robb Fuzzy and Robb Fuzzy's Den (last update 12:00 7/31): http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rleigh/robb.html coming soon to the Den "The unofficial Kitchens of Distinction Page" ------------------------------ From: Bondflash@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:34:06 -0400 Subject: NJC: olympics, only 19 more digests to go! hey all, I went to the olympics last week! although it probably didn't compare to JS, I saw 2 days of the 3-day individual equestrian event (we got a bronze). and we were at the centennial park, very close to where the bomb went off, only 2 hours before it exploded!!!! i guess my mom and i were lucky... it was a great experience, tho, I wanna do it again in 4 years (hey, helen, wanna let me stay at your place? it's gonna be in sydney- oh wait, how far is canberra from sydney? hehe, anyway...) so I was really far behind with my jewel list mail... it got to be that I was 40 digests behind!!!! now, at 3:30 in the morning, after days of reading, I only have 19 digests left. sorry for filling up your mailboxes to tell you this, but it is late and i am really tired and this seems like a big accomplishment, though it probably won't in the morning. night all, more reading to do tomorrow :) bye! Lauren ps. the other lauren (heddy@jungle.net) signed one of her posts "lauren #2"... am I lauren #1? wow that's pretty spiffy okay i think i need sleep now. ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 04:45:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Regarding P Griffins Set Not Being Distributed Alan B and others wrote about Patty being treed: >Hi all, >In referance to this: ><< Is the Patty Griffin show going to be treed? > This is really Dan's story to tell, but I believe he's out of town for a >week or two, so I'll adress it now. Big Mike did ask me a week or so ago >about Patty Griffins set and his post is correct. > I'm not sure of the reasons (although Mike's make perfect sense to me), >but Patty and/or her management have specifically asked that her set not be >included in the treed version of the tapes. This is not to be disputed & I >have absolutely no say in the matter. Actually, I'm not gone til Friday so I'll jump in now! There are very few artists who will openly allow their fans the luxury of trading tapes as we do here, much less provide fans with the materials to do it with! Lenedra told Patty and her management what we do here, but Patty's management asked that Patty's set not be recorded or released, which is pretty much standard procedure. So unfortunately there isn't a tape of Patty's set to be treed. But this is the internet, and I don't think there's a popular artist out there who can escape the taping trading culture that the net has brought with it. As Patty starts to become better known, it's inevitable something will surface. It's just that her management won't likely be handing it to us in person! By the way, I never considered myself much of a tape trader before Jewel. Most tapes of live shows bore me, but I found that Jewel's concerts were such events, full of stories and new songs, I started taping them for myself and found people with similar stuff to trade with. I've learned the protocols of trading on the net because of it, but my collection still consists mostly of Jewel tapes. (And some early Amanda Marshall, but I don't like her CD much). Dan P.S.- Patty gets the last laugh this time. How ironic is it that she played such a great show for 300 avid concert-tapers, and no one brought a tape recorder? I think it speaks highly of everyone's respect for Jewel and Lenedra's wishes here though. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK danstark@mnsi.net Windsor, Ontario, Canada - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 04:45:37 -0400 Subject: Re: NJC: a short note Hi JewelNews, I guess the original newsletter project is still in progress. But everyone on the list who has wanted to make a contribution in some way has been able to so far, as we've witnessed with the various trees, Jewelstock, poetry postings, LTD, tabs, cover tape etc., so there's no reason the same shouldn't hold true for your wishes. Be sure to e-mail Hiranya again and offer your assistance. Email Geoff too if you think there's some way you could help with what he's working on. He sounds like a busy guy and a newsletter sounds like a lot of work, so maybe you can collaborate. Otherwise, see if there are some other directions you can take the idea. Maybe something exclusively for the list members instead of the general public. Or whatever your creativity suggests. Everyone on this list does it as a passion and hobby, and there should be no one here but Jewel or Lenedra themselves to stop you from making whatever you want out of it. Best! Dan - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK danstark@mnsi.net Windsor, Ontario, Canada - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 01:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MTV2- maybe Jewel? and Re: HAYDEN-check him out! I heard him before a couple times and wasn't real impressed. Kinda typical stuff. not real interesting lyrics, IMO. BUT, I did catch him a bit ago on MTV2 and it seemed better. If i can find it cheap, I'll check it out. Have to check the library. Apparently there was an hour of MTV2 on MTV at midnight, but it seems to be gone now. They played some cool videos. Some I'dnever seen. They palyed Fiona Apple. (Sounded OK but notgreat) Hayden, PJ's 50 ft., Richard Hall ?? , and someother new videos and some old stuff too. ihope my local acable gets it. Looks cool. Maybe they'll play YWMFM. I hope so. If any one gets it fulltime, I'd be interested in hearing how it is. Any news on a video for FGames, a future single? She didn't do it on the video at JS, did she? just brainstorming. Trying to put pieces together, whether they fit or not. Enjoy! Tom Tom Proven e-mail: provent@pls.lib.ca.us "Everyday I will save you From evil monsters Cause that's my job." -Dambuilders ------------------------------ From: scott1@wolfe.net Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 04:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NJC Me and Two New Fans Howdy all you Everyday Angels! It's about 4:15 AM and I'm working on a Chemistry paper... on sharks and their electroreceptors. How fun! Anyway, my friends (one of which was completely anti-Jewel up until about three hours ago (it's so pathetic how people can get hung up on looks; he was... disturbed when he saw her on WWSYS, mainly her teeth, I've always told him he was a--, anyway)) are sitting over here talking about their love lives (jeez does it make me feel pathetic...) and listening to some of the bootleg tapes sent to me by the very kind Gerrit/Leave the Shadows Dancing. They are just about obsessed with Jewel now. They keep asking me stuff: "Where's she live?" "What's her real name?" "How come everyone's always yelling 'YODEL?' (I've conveniently stopped all the tapes before "Chime Bells" comes on)" and things like that. So, they're more or less obsessed, a level of obsession rivaled only by the infamous JEWELFAN22/Liz. They're beating me down to give them a ticket to her show at the Fair (to which I own three FOURTH ROW TICKETS). Anyway, just thought I'd let everybody know... Now, since I've got a paper and presentation due in about three and a half hours, I will allow you all to go about your business and bid you good night... er... morning. Sincerely, if dazedly, Ben Scott Now new and improved at scott1@wolfe.net ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 07:57:32 EST Subject: Re: I feel welcomed On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:30:33 -0400 you said: >almost everyone here is so nice to welcome me to this mailing list! To Liz: > I live in Grand Rapids, MI. To the kid whose name I can't remember who >thought I was a guy: sorry for the misunderstanding. I will give Adrian Well, I've been soundly flamed and now called a "kid" by a meer child. Stop Jacqui. I think you've gotten me back for the sex mix-up. :) Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: "Matthew E. Milner" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:14:49 -0400 Subject: Re: "Hi-Speed Dubbing" or "Alvin's Revenge" In response to the high speed dubbing question, I can present no facts that high speed dubbing produces a lower quality, but I have always heard that it does. I've been involved in the trading of other boots and high speed is absolutely frowned upon. From what I understand, each copy of a tape will cause a degradation of quality, and the use of high speed even more so. Should a person make a high speed copy of a high speed copy, you're just asking for it. As I've said, I can provide no facts to back me up, just experience from other trading circles. Maybe it's an urban legend like "good Times virus" and Jewelstock :-) As for me, I never have and never will use high speed for my dubbing. Matt ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 08:45:38 EST Subject: Dennis Gets Serious Is it just me or have others notice Dennis getting more "fatherly" to some EDAs? He's like a psycho version of Igor. Dean Harris P.S. I really meant that. Igor's and now Dennis's advice type posts are reassuring proof that we (people) aren't really all that bad. ------------------------------ From: Gary Brine Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 08:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: NJC: olympics, only 19 more digests to go!] Bondflash@aol.com wrote: > > hey all, > I went to the olympics last week! although it probably didn't compare to JS, Me too! > I saw 2 days of the 3-day individual equestrian event (we got a bronze). I went for the basketball/vollyball etc. and > we were at the centennial park, very close to where the bomb went off, only 2 > hours before it exploded!!!! i guess my mom and i were lucky...I was at that spot one hour earlier, missed you. it was a > great experience, tho,I thought so too! I wanna do it again in 4 years (hey, helen, wanna let > me stay at your place? it's gonna be in sydney- oh wait, how far is > canberra from sydney? hehe, anyway...) so I was really far behind with my > jewel list mail... it got to be that I was 40 digests behind!!!! now, at 3:30 > in the morning, after days of reading, I only have 19 digests left. sorry for > filling up your mailboxes to tell you this, but it is late and i am really > tired and this seems like a big accomplishment, though it probably won't in > the morning. night all, more reading to do tomorrow :) > > bye! > Lauren > > ps. the other lauren (heddy@jungle.net) signed one of her posts "lauren > #2"... am I lauren #1? wow that's pretty spiffy okay i think i > need sleep now. ------------------------------ From: Gary Brine Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 08:58:53 -0700 Subject: Re: NJC: Olympics, changing programming... Jon Grenzke wrote: > > I was just wondering as I read through recent posts if anyone had ideas > on where the people that handle programming get their impressions of what > people want to see (and whether they are in general correct). For > example, I don't know of anyone who enjoys NBC's attempt to turn every > Olympic athlete into a member of a soap opera and the ten minute histories > that go along with them. Are there people out there? Or what about MTV > with there movement from being purely music television to being a bunch of > bad shows, like Singled Out? Are there people who tune in specifically to > watch Singled Out, or does it just get ratings from channel surfers who > keep checking to see if MTV has started to play a music video? > Mainly, though, I was wondering about the Olympics...It really bothers > me that NBC keeps putting the (same) mini-soap operas. I guess it's > because I feel somewhat insulted: they are assuming that I can't enjoy the > Olympics for the sporting event that they are, and instead need to have > some sort of surrounding fluff in order for the event to be meaningful... > What do other people think? I could just be out of touch with > everyone, I guess... :) > > Take care, > - JonJon, I feel the same as you about this. Durring the last olympics (in Barcalona) I subscribed to NBC's simelcast (yeah I'm the one) and recieved three stations of olympic coverage sans comercials and with very limited (if any) anouncing added. It was revealing to see how the network show later that night had taken spacific events (usually won by Americans or Europeans)and added thier pre-made profiles to them. Not only did I feel like they were manipulating peoples emotions and telling them who to root for, I also felt that they were rasist in thier focus on white athletes at the expense of showing African and Asian athletes. It made me realize just how the networks spoon feed us what they want us to see and therefore feel and think. This time I went to the olympics myself and I was totally supprised by by how the networks missed what was happening. Not just in the games themselves but also by the fans. There was a real feeling of bonding in the stands of all the events I attended. Not just with Americans of different backgrounds but with people of various nationallities as well. I heard people boo when medal counts were announced durring events. I spoke, partied and made friends with people from all sorts of places and backgrounds. This was never relayed to the viewing audience by NBC or any other news organization. If anyone of you ever gets a chance to attend the olympics, do it. You will be pleasantly supprised at the warm feeling you get from being with the people attending. I've gone to a lot of sporting events and this is more like going to a concert or a big happy party. Gear ------------------------------ From: Selena Martin Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 09:43:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Regarding P Griffins Set Not Being Distributed The first song that Patti Griffin sang is not on her cd either. I'm responding to Mike, I believe, who said that only "Crazy" was not on the cd. Selena ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 09:53:15 EST Subject: Re: Politically Incorrect Mention On Thu, 1 Aug 96 00:13 EDT you said: >and Jewel just made gold... Can you see Jewel as the troubled rock star >swiging a beer and yeeling for a towel down? Come on... I can just see >it now: Jewel sitting and demanding someone to dial the phone for her >so she can throw around her weight to get into Spago... What do you >think Harris brothers? Can you picture a scene much like this? Or >would you like to go out on your own with a whole new image? > Nope, don't see it. However, I do see Jewel going quadruple platinum and then throwing her weight (figurative) around to get into McDonalds (though I hear she's a vegetarian. True???) so she doesn't have to stay in line at the drive through. Although I don't really "know" Jewel, from what I have seen her parents did a wonderful job to prepare her for anything she may do in life. I don't see Jewel becoming one of these "it's all about me" stars we see so much today. Because of her background, her family and now her loyal fans (aka EDAs), I think Jewel will always remain grounded. Of course if she does become one of these wacked out celebs, I never said any of this. Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: Hiranya@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:40:48 -0400 Subject: the new single A little news about the new single. It will be 'You Were Meant for Me' (again). Radio has already started to pick it up spontaneously, so that's what has determined it. Jewel has redone it. Two versions. The first is nearly the same as the original, but she redid the vocal and it has been shortened slightly by editing some bars of music out and cutting two lines (NOT 'dreams last so long even after youre gone!) It has been electronicly speeded up (a tinsey bit only). This was all done with the original master so it really is nearly exactly the same. The second version has Flea on bass, its a bit faster, has a drum track and more of a grove feel. TBone plays some harmonium I believe. I like it a lot. I never did care for the Juan Patino version. Its now up to Atlantic to decide which version they will serve out to radio. Lenedra will suggest that they release both, using the two new versions as A and B sides. But since radio is already playing the CD version, it all may be beside the point. If the two re-recorded versions arent distributed, we will get copies to the list for a tape tree. Hiranya ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 11:02:26 EST Subject: NJC: Totally weird request for M&M picture. OK... I'm looking for a picture on the net and can't seem to locate it. If any EDA knows where I could find a picture of the M&Ms that held their breath in a commercial so that they would appear to be blue M&Ms, please let me know where it is. I told you it was a weird request. Dean (making weird requests) Harris ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #437 ***************************