From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #416 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Saturday, 27 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 416 Today's Subjects: ----------------- mailing list Re: Seattle tree Slimy & Incestuous Wheat Flakes, MMMM-mmm! Re: jewel-digest V1 #407 Re: mailing list Re: mailing list Greetings BMW boy So, me and Jewel were hangin out Sat. lunch pictures Coincidence The Harris Sea Ranch Motel in NH - NJC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cstotes_warpcon@juno.com (Christopher T Stotesbury) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:56:01 EDT Subject: mailing list we need a new mailing list. something different. I had to unsubscribe from the regular mail form and only use the digest because the amount of mail was too much. Jewel-News@smoe.org Jewel-Social@smoe.org who here agrees???????????? ________________ Email CStotes_WarpCon@juno.com ------------------------------ From: "(:spyflower:)" Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 04:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Seattle tree Hey, Could you add me to the tree, or send me instructions? Thanks:) Sarah On Wed, 24 Jul 1996 Ddhaoc@aol.com wrote: > I've collected names/e-mail addresses from folks looking for the Seattle > Tree. I'll be sending out instructions to them tonight, and seeing that we > all have an opportunity to enjoy Jewel's ditty about the expresso puller! > > -- Dennis Harris > > p.s. JewelStock Online will remain password protected until I get some new > content to show the world! No sense in non-list people visiting a ghost town, > you know. C'mon guys, send me stuff. It should be updated by Sunday night. > I'll check out the other sites and link to them as well. > O/ s p y f l o w e r \O <| |> / \ http://www.freenet.scri.fsu.edu/~sarahec / \ ------------------------------ From: Carter Navarro Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:45:57 -0700 Subject: Slimy & Incestuous Wheat Flakes, MMMM-mmm! Hey, all. Remember a few months ago when Hiranya wrote a bunch 'o stuff and I, mired in my Tom Proven-induced Ronald McDonald paranoia, wrote an enormous reply incorporating everything from the Arch Deluxe to Van de Graff generators? Of course you don't, but it's time for memory refreshment! THIS time however is a real treat, since I get to go wild with a "Note from JEWEL!" Return your trays and seat backs to the upright position, this flight comes with extra motion sickness bags! But first: Carter's Favorite Book Title of the Week: "La Encyclopedia del Trout." I guess the Spanish haven't figured out a word for that particular fish yet. Now, on to Miss Kilcher ... >hi everyone. Hey, J-J-Jeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!! (Carter re-enacts scene from "Scanners.") >i tried to check in with the list while i was up in canada >visiting the parents of the mysterious man on the ''yellow BMW" [i am still >adjusting to the fact that very little escapes the collective eye] but with >my limited computer chops and my friends limited english [not the bmw >guy-God, i just saw all of you guys getting all carried away on that one] i >didnt get very far. Good. I was acting more dorky than usual the post-JewelStock week, though I'm not sure I'd want Miss Kilcher to see me in ANY form of communication on this list. Nevertheless, if she noticed my presence at all she surely now knows me as "The Guy Who Screams A Lot," which isn't bad but still not as good as "Batty Little Yodel-Honey From Alaska." I'd take "BMW Guy-God" any day, though I'd probably have to trade in my Fahrvergnugen Rolling Gasoline Bomb first. Intermission: The unique sunburn pattern on my back (caused by my inability to reach certain areas with the sunblock and my resistance to asking my male friends to slather oily goods on me) is entering the "Wither, Blister, Burn & Peel" stage, and I am now in Itchy & Scratchy AGONY. I think this is my first down payment on middle-aged skin cancer, but for now I just look really goofy rather than tumor-ific. I also noticed Carter is referring to himself in the third person a lot now. Carter blames Bob Dole, even though Carter is a Republican. Don't shoot Carter, he's not REALLY a Republican. Honest! Not that Republicanism is bad or anything. And Carter HAS seen the ocean, dammit! >[yes punctuation on the computor seems overly annoying >at my level of search and destroy typing skills. punctuation whats that wasnt that what mrs naftzger taught the day i missed typing class yes i really had a teacher named mrs naftzger and get this my seventh grade science teachers name was mr schmuck ha ha ha ow > how about all the hype over our 'little gymnastics hero' >sacraficing her bodily health for the GOLD. the arena of sports at this >moment must be way sleezier than any slimmy >insincere, incestual corperate music industry encounter ever. Jesus, Jewel can really mortally wound a guy's Olympic patriotism, can't she? And I thought *I* was the tenured cynic here. All the money-grubbing Wheaties and Nike people are undoubtedly running up their AT&T bills right now trying to wrangle Kerri Strug onto their cereal boxes and commercials, but for a couple of reasons that doesn't demolish my excitement over Ms. Strug's "sacrifice." First, Strug is not likely to accept any endorsement contracts, since to do so would make her ineligible for collegiate gymnastic teams. She wants to go to UCLA and be a member of that college's group, and if gymnastics competition is truly what she loves I'd expect her to forgo the offered millions in favor of her passion. Second, my gut feeling about the second vault is just one of my unkillable "Karate Kid" drama euphorias. Nothing much amazes me anymore, but Kerri Strug's achievement floored me. I don't even wanna walk with a bruise on my toe, much less run and somersault 800 times through the air with a sprained ankle. The only question that bugs me is "what was her motivation?" Did Strug go again out of fear or eagerness to please her coach, Bela Karolyi? Did she do it to become the new cover girl for the Breakfast of Champions? Or did she do it to win the United States' first gold in women's compulsory gymnastics since the re-initiation of the Olympics 100 years ago? I am one of those questionable philosophers who feel the act is more important than the motive, and I remain amazed that Strug put herself on the line for the gold, whatever her reasons. I won't say I don't care about Strug's motive: I'd like to know. But the fact that she performed such an amazing physical feat earns her gallons of my respect and admiration. In the meantime, I'm going to go trip on my way to the refrigerator. > I DIDDNT JUST MEAN to slamm people at random. its so unfortunate >comedy so often seems to be at an absent victims expence- though i would >enjoy it more if they were there. it just goes to show that CYNICISM ISNT >SMARTER JUST SAFER. ok , i get it, it wont happen again. its really amazing >how we teach ourselves this way. writing has allways done that for me. Slamming people at random is almost as admirable as one-legged four-gee quadruple-axel-with-a-twist aerial bombings. I've gotten pretty good at it over the years (the random-person-slamming, not the bombing thing), and upon reflection it IS more fun when the target is there, assuming the target isn't Joe Pesci's character from "Goodfellas." In that case you're better off joining the comedy circuit in Peru. Dolores O'Riordan? Tell the joke on "Letterman" for all I care! Alanis Morissette may be a better target, since Cranberries fans may get a little more hostile than Alanis' hangers-on. Isn't "Morissette" the perfect word for that goose from "Charlotte's Web?" "Double-S, Double-E, Double-T ... " SSEETT? Never mind. > so any way im just siting here in the studo listening to 'some times >it be that way' for the 1,000 time. Flea is playing bass and he is rocking. > he makes the track. Until Dave Navarro came along, the only famous guys with my family name were a dead silent screen star and some Floridian sheriff who either did something bad or caught someone bad. I'm not related to Dave (fortunately or unfortunately -- you decide), but the guy is amazing on an ax. Plus he appeared on "Further Down the Spiral." Now FLEA I would LOVE to be related to. We could have major freak-out contests. > i loved reading my poetry the first night of JS. it was very >purging. i love words. i love communicating . i love playing with them. >they help see the world- its almost as though i can not see anything, a lover >a bum, a flesh wound untill it is layed out before me in ink. blah blah >blah.............. "Purging." Hmm, I think I was doing that JewelStock night, too. Too bad it was WATER out of my EYES! I love words but in a kind of sado-masochistic way. They treat me well most of the time, even though I torture them in methods undreamt of by de Sade. For example: Tone-deaf squirrels rile their fidgety pencils upon my bereaved garbanzo's warped stems. I have a masterful command of the dictionary yet absolutely no sense of form, rhyme, or reason. Hell, if Gravity Kills can make it, so can I! >And i am impressed with what a kind and caring and non gossipy group the >angels are. "Pssst! You heard the latest rumor about Carter? They say he eats CAT FOOD! And he does it with a STRAW!" >p.s. who is this jewel imposter Hiranya has been telling me about? im guilty and im guilty and im guilty and youre guilty too hey hey hey im guilty Hey guess what? One and one and one make three! Gravity Kills: math teachers for today's alternative children. - - Carter Navarro, Idiot Savant; or Just Plain Idiot? P.S. - This message is longer than 7 kilobytes. May Jeff have mercy on my soul. ------------------------------ From: Raymond Wong Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: jewel-digest V1 #407 I don't mean to get into an argument about someone's personal opinions, but I really felt a need to respond to these concerns. > From: Sean Hooks > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:08:41 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing > [...] > you wish for. I've seen many a legitimate young artist get turned into a > one-hit wonder by such behavior, or worse, a superstar. I don't think > Jewel wants to be super-popular ala Madonna, Alannis, Mariah, Whitney. She > complained incessently about how Sean Penn couldn't even walk down the > street without being mobbed and how just being with him was very > intimidating and scary for a girl from Alaska. Is that what we want for > her? Do you want to see her at arenas or small clubs and venues? Do you > want another Jewelstock at a place like the Bearsville Theatre? If so, you > can't want her to be popular. You can't have your cake and eat it too. While I'm sure no one wants me to use this particular example, I think it's highly applicable. I, in process of missing Jewelstock by ONE DAY(by taking a flight arranged and not changeable as of about a week before the Jewelstock date was announced) in my recent trip to New York, happened to catch what was probably one of the best concerts Debbie Gibson has ever performed, with perhaps 225 other debheads. Yes, this is the same Debbie Gibson who was Atlantic Records (gee, now who else is on this label? :) ) biggest money maker from 1987-1991 or so. The wonderful thing about pop chart success, such as Jewel is now on the verge of attaining, is that it IS temporary. Deb had 9 top 40 hits and sold 10 million records during her run at the top. That doesn't change who an artist is. Madonna, Mariah, and Whitney are stuck with superstardom because they've decided to stick with it, and work to maintain that standing. While it's certain that a lot of people don't like the music Ms. Gibson is recording now, it's HER music, she's doing what she wants, and having a blast. Her album last year was an extremely sensitive and personal effort, and one that her fans appreciated and respected, even if many of them didn't find it's string heavy arrangement to be suited to their personal tastes. > that Pieces of You is a very radio unfriendly folk album and still it > went gold scares the hell out of me. The next album could be disastruous. > Atlantic is gonna promote it a lot more, and the songs from what I gather, > are gonna be much more upbeat and radio friendly. Not good things. I want Hmmm... Are you saying Jewel doesn't have the judgement to stand up for the integrity of her songs? It's her album. Atlantic can market it any way they want, but she's still the one recording the tracks. Personally, I suspect they'll take the same route they did with Tori Amos, which is to get confused, since they don't really understand how she hit, and mostly lay off on content direction. Someone with the insight to note on the cover of her album that "What we call human nature is actually human habit" seems a little too wise to fall victim to the trap of pop-superstardom, IMHO. > to tell everyone how great she is. I want to play my bootleg tapes for all > my friends. I want to tell everyone that she is the greatest thing since > sliced bread and how her concerts are mind blowing emotionally moving > experiences. But I don't. I contain myself, takes a lot of will power. But > I know it's for the best. I have a couple of friends who are into her and > will go to the concerts with me, that's all I need. So, just again, be > careful what you wish for. Jewel will be corrupted by popularity not > helped by it. Please let WWSYS be her last hit radio/video for at least And again, I have to ask, what is it you think makes Jewel special? Look at her reactions to the olympics, et al, and it's clear the lady has a more than adequate grasp of what's going on. I can't express this as eloquently as some, but it seems to me that you're projecting your own fears about your own limits onto her. Read again those lyrics, and that poetry, and ask what soul could be able to express so powerfully, so gracefully, and still be so weak as to be steered by the winds of pop culture? Jewel is popular, because pop tastes happened to stumble across her album. She's still an artist, creating magical works. If a million people buy it, that's more money for her, but don't worry that it detracts from the quality of the album. She's still writing for the same reason, not to sell more records. The money really means that she does NOT have an obligation to try and sell records, because in the future, she'll have enough money that she can simply finance her own smaller releases, rather than be a slave to the record company demands of higher sales. > ten years. Look at Tracy Chapman, she has had the perfect career. Ten [...] She's done wonderfully, but that doesn't mean it's the only way. > anymore. She's popular enough, stop promoting yourself Jewel, we wanna see > you, not a speck of blonde hair that I have to strain to see from the > 1500th row. I don't wanna be able able to say I knew her when, I want to > know her now continuously. I am not trying to stunt her artistic growth, > her message is an important one that should be heard, but the more people > that hear the message in the pop sell-out context, the more that miss the > point. Go ahead, flame away, just make sure you don't regret it when I'm That doesn't mean the point isn't there, and it doesn't mean you won't get your chance to see her again in an intimate setting. If you're going to claim that commercial success like she's now starting to see can't be done without selling out, I'd like to see you place in writing exactly what the artist does differently to sell out. Referring to abstracts like "intent" are fine, but to suggest that she must be selling out, simply because she's selling well, doesn't make sense to me. > saying told you so a couple months or a year or two down the road when > this digest has thousands of members and events like Jewelstock are > impossible and she won't be putting her arm around any of you or taking > pictures or signing autographs because she's scared of stalkers, the > press, and fame/the media in general. Which brings me back to one of my other favorite artists, Ms. Deborah Ann Gibson, known simply as Debbie Gibson (the vowells spell E I E I O :) ) as a stage/performance name. She has had thousands of fans. She has had stalkers, I'm sorry to say. She's had press hounds, screaming mobs of fans, you name it. And on Saturday, July 13th, about 5:30 pm EST, she signed a personalized autograph for me, put her arm around me, and took a picture with me. (Not the first time I've met her, and I expect it's not the last, either) > Sorry if that sounded bitter, just hate to lose something that I care > about. Which is the one part of your message I *do* understand. Fear is an odd little companion. We fear losing things we love, because we know, life without those things would be less of a life. Each loss is a little death. Yet that fear then, is something we need to CELEBRATE, for it's that wonderful little friend that tells us, YES, our lives DO mean something. I am sorry for our losses, each and every one of them, but for there to be no loss, there would be no value to have lost. It's when things mean the most, when we can least conceive of a life without them, that me must risk it all, and take our chance for love, for life, for meaning. Just my thoughts on the matter, I hope some found them worth reading. Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl@netcom.com, negativl@best.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Debbie Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ From: jeffw (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: mailing list Christopher T Stotesbury writes: > > we need a new mailing list. something different. I had to unsubscribe > from the regular mail form and only use the digest because the amount of > mail was too much. > > Jewel-News@smoe.org I've said this before.... If there is someone who is willing to moderate a News only list, I will be glad to set it up. Jeff ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:51:49 -0400 Subject: Re: mailing list Christopher T Stotesbury wrote: > we need a new mailing list. something different. I had to unsubscribe > from the regular mail form and only use the digest because the amount of > mail was too much. > > Jewel-News@smoe.org > > Jewel-Social@smoe.org > > who here agrees???????????? I disagree totally....the list will die down again soon, it was kinda dry/slow before the 1st JewelStock announcement (that week had the Frisabbe, Jay Leno show AND the JS announcement)...it's still kinda busy now because of JewelStock and post-JewelStock banter....Sure the next tour will pick it up again, but overall I think it will just slow down.....let's WAIT and see before anyone makes a "Rush to Judgement" decision and start one....wait 'til the fall...judge it then Mike ------------------------------ From: FVVM98B@prodigy.com (MR JARED G JACOBUS) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 01:02:55, -0500 Subject: Greetings Hi everybody, I don't often post public notes but I always need to share my thoughts when I'm drunk aand tonight is one of thoughs times. My father found out that I failed a test so he went ape shit as usual. So in order to cure my headache I drank about half a bottle of vodka and now I feel much better. I have a hundred more letters in my box so if I don't answer some for a awhile please understand that I just passed out before I could finish. SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl ------------------------------ From: AESTHETE99@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 22:47:48 -0400 Subject: BMW boy By the way, did anyone else notice that about an hour or two before the show on Thursday night, he pulled up and parked in a handicapped parking space? That was before I knew who he was, so I just figured he was a rich dick. Maybe Jewel will be able to help him mend his ways. Jon ------------------------------ From: SkinnyPete@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 23:06:48 -0400 Subject: So, me and Jewel were hangin out Yeah, just thought I'd pass this along. Me and Jewel were hangin' out the other day and some interesting stuff came up. One of the things she asked was why people are driving from all over to see her Hampton Beach NH show. So, I explained that not everyone got to meet me in Woodstock and didn't want to miss another opportunity. She was under the impression that you guys were coming to see her show. I said "yeah, drive to another state for a Jewel show, geez." Anyway, we got that cleared up. Then, after she asked me to pass the stuffed mushrooms, she wondered out loud what songs the list would most like to hear live. So, of course I told her our favorites "Ode To My Family", "Zombie", and of course "Linger". She kinda just chuckled that off for some reason but I'm sure she'll sing at least one of them. She was thinking about cutting the Bob Dylan story out of the set but don't worry I told her I think it would be safe to leave it in if she just cut out the part about Bob offering her an AK-47 and a ton of pot because I thought that part was unflattering to Bob's image. After a long look of confusion, she agreed. The conversation concluded after, well...after cheesecake, and after I convinced her that her song, "Pieces of You" DOES have a possitive message and people that don't get that are just ignorant. I don't know what all the controversy is all about, nobody likes magots anyway. But, she wanted me to tell you hi for her and that she'll see you all (well, not ALL but more or less a selected FEW) in NH on August 17th. - Skinny Pete P.S. Guess who was at Hampton Beach last night? Neil Young, Warrant, and Slaughter <----- NO JOKE. P.P.S. I think my nickname "SkinnyPete" is slowly being transformed into "TheVideoGuy". It's scaring me. ------------------------------ From: W1GGY2@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 23:06:58 -0400 Subject: Sat. lunch pictures Yea, we believe you guys had lunch with Jewel Saturday. But only in that parallel dimension I mentioned in which Jewel did a third encore Thurs. night and flew around the theatre. Didn't you say Jewel was off to NEW YORK right after the show Fri. night? You can't fool your own sister. Amy - I'm a Harris, you're a Harris, we're all Harris's - W1GGY ------------------------------ From: Jacqueline Fitzpatrick Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 04:48:18 +0000 Subject: Coincidence Do you want to hear a coincidence? I walked in Best Buy to check out the scanners so I can put my Jewelstock pictures on the web. First thing I did was walk by a listening station. At this station was both Duncan Sheik and Patty Griffin. Coincidence - I think not. Either way, I was excited. Then, I was talking to this BB employee about what to buy for my computer. I mentioned Jewel and Jewelstock. His next words were, "Yeah, I have some of her promos." Hello? My reply, "Save the Linoleum?!?" He had this disgusting grin on his face and said "Yeah, my friend is borrowing it right now." He worked at Sam Goody/Musicland. If the promo does not sell within 30-90 days, the employees get it for free. I could have killed him for it. What made it worse was his breath was gross. Yuck! I should have traded him a big Lifesaver for STL. To me, it would have been a even trade. Until another day, Angels Jackie (green limosine for the red head- t. amos) jackie.fitz.xplora@worldnet.att.net candslice@aol.com ------------------------------ From: CornflkGl@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 00:51:07 -0400 Subject: The Harris Sea Ranch Motel in NH - NJC I was checking out the Web site for the August 17th show, and seeing as my family vacations there every year, same hotel, same room, I thought I'd see of "our" hotel was on it. Lucky me it was !! But sonething was strange- it was the only one in bold type with a smiley face. It finally registered in my miniscule brain- The Harris Sea Ranch Motel !!! I've been with Dean & Dennis every summer of my life !!! Well, well, have I got some stories for y'all. I seem to have forgetten the owners' names, but they weren't Harrises. When I was about 4, my brother and I were sent off to the ice machine... and, good lord no, I didn't close it all the way. Mrs.. Baggy Face Lady ( as she was called for YEARS afterwards, and still is to this day by my whole family ) actually FOLLOWED me to our room and screamed at me. Geez, I was just a kid !!! There has been this sign up for at least 17 years that says "no bare feet". This is joined by the "no pets" , "no small children", and lately, the no one-nighters and no under-21's . All the maids are very nice... and are paid slave wages... Room 21 is the best, it's got the big old window facing the ocean, where my grandmother would sit and watch the "kids" get arrested. My grandmother has had that room every year, the same week, since my mother was a kid. This year, though, 2 days before she and my mother were supposed to leave, she had a stroke. So no Hampton Beach :(. She's okay, she's in a rehab center... but I was supposed to go to Disney World this weekend, and my parents cancelled the trip 'cause she was sick.:( Double boo hoo, huh. Yeah, I know, I know, I'm rambling. The main point of this post is to tell all that the Harris Sea Ranch WILL NOT rent rooms to any of us, unless you're staying for a full weekend. You can always try though... Just remember, if Mrs. Baggy Face Lady tries to give you any problems- she wears a wig... Love, Rachel ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #416 ***************************