From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #347 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Friday, 12 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 347 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Answer for a misguided Angel Re: stuff (and the Gentle Flamethrower). The Great News Debate! Several things, actually Re: Answer for a misguided Angel JewelStock- RE: what Crunch wrote Re: The Gentle Flamethrower Alaska State Fair Frisbee at Jewelstock Re: Nametags...guestbook.....here's another sugggestion Re: Frisbee at Jewelstock JARED JACOBUS! EMAIL me at work ASAP! Big Blue. . .Ribbon/News/Jewelstock/Tapes/Guestbook/Newsletter Blue ribbons vs Angels Fresh Meat Nikos.... Re: Alaska State Fair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:24:27 -0700 Subject: Answer for a misguided Angel I couldn't find my own words, to help this misguided angel, so I included a story from a wonderful writer. Don't flame Ironic..., she always writes nice things to the Ani list. =========================================================================== From: Ironic1136@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:27:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Jewel I personally think Jewel is awful, but I try to like her...I really do. That Jew, oh Jew song just does not do it for me.....I do like the song they play on the radio, but her voice just bugs. I'll stop now.... Angel, who is sorry.. =========================================================================== A Friend With Whom to Grow Old We first met as adults when our escape routes crossed one day. Both yearning for more fulfilling employ, she hired me away from a snake pit so she could soar off, guilt-free, into entrepreneurial bliss. I'm not too sure who trumped whom on that one: I got her good office and the puckish but appealing boss; she strode out and became her own. Regardless, our paths have remained inextricably entwined ever since. And we might as well have grown up together. I can picture us in miniature, sitting side-by-side for thirteen years of cootie catchers and passing furtively misspelled notes; exploring the wonders of blossoming breasts and the mysteries of feminine hygiene products; maturing into caustic critics of choice members of the opposite sex; and graduating in tandem, knowing we'd still be friends even when life short-circuited our connection. We have now been friends some twelve years, a mere spit to less wayfaring folk. But for two young women, escaping families and failed affections, to stumble across the nation and trip over one another's smartly pumped and ambitious feet, it was no coincidence; as my friend might say, it was b'sheart, destiny. The Jew from Cleveland and the shiksa from Baltimore. We made quite a team in our early years, alternately pursuing careers and men and regaling each other with tales of both. We'd make dinner of happy hour, filling up on free veggies and dip, bemused by the mating rituals of barflies. We'd turn laundry night into a soiree, sipping wine between loads and laughing deliriously over unexpected discoveries in communal dryers. Like the schoolgirls we'd never been together, we'd whisper of glorious iniquities, delighting in our defiance. Undaunted, we'd absolve each other of our sins, assuming some weird and wonderful Protestant-Jewish version of ten Hail Marys and claiming ourselves victorious over the world's vagaries and vices. Together, we waded the excruciating tides of work and love and self-image, and shared the creation of life -- as only the best of friends can. A decade of lovers and husbands later, we've settled into familiar rhythms, the middle age of our relationship: swapping Hanukkah gifts for Christmas presents, celebrating offsprings' birthdays, sharing Seder with the goyim, presenting for approval the current beau, debating the latest business proposal, calling on the eve of Yom Kippur to let her know she needs no atonement as far as I'm concerned. She has learned from me the joys and sorrows of Waspish bohemia. I've learned from her the fear of being Jewish in an anti-Semitic society. But still, we have our fun. She sends me rude cards about flatulence, dysfunctional men and unusual things to do with chocolate -- because I'm the only one she knows who'll laugh at them. She calls late at night for reality checks on who's crazier, her mother or she. We mourn the murder of Itzhak Rabin, while I wonder how much more personal is her pain. And we continue to dream for each other: She would have for me a nice boy with big bucks and no desire to tame me; for her I would have a nation in which she no longer hesitates to proclaim -- strong and clear -- that she is a Jew. And though we started late, we are, after all, growing up together. There are few people I'm confident will be around in my oldth, but my friend is certainly one with whom I expect to be gumming matzo and twittering like schoolgirls as we fart our way through our dotage. Kit-Bacon Gressitt is a North County Times columnist. She can be reached at kbgressitt@aol.com. This column was previously published in the North County Times 06/24/96. Igor igorwas@smartcitysys.com P.S. North County Times is published in Escondido, CA (San Diego County) NTCEditor@scn.com ------------------------------ From: Crunch Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 03:10:44 -0400 Subject: Re: stuff (and the Gentle Flamethrower). Laura stated on 07.11.96 at 19:05:38: >okay, first of all, i would like to say all this bullsh*t postings about >being only jewel related topics discussions is becoming a pain..... My hat off to you Laura Capello, very well put. And mIKEY, you too. (Gentle Flamethrower) You guys almost brought tears to my eyes. (I'm soooo sensitive.) A couple Jewelstock related things: =) Are we all agreed on the blue ribbon? (I already have one. It's huge!) =) Let's do the book for Jewel. =) Hows 'bout someone posting the pre-show possibilities? By this I mean a jam session, volleyball game, frisbee interception courses, or a general meeting place (the venue?). This stuff could also be put on the Web site. =)group hug... NOW. After Jewelstock, I plan on compiling an archive (and maybe a web site) of list members containing self-descriptions from the web, pictures, other's thoughts on that person's personality, stories, etc. What do you guys think about this? Keep it in mind next week when we all meet. =) Captain Crunch, FIC, JCR. (Frisbee Investigation Corp., Jewelstock Camp Ranger) ------------------------------ From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:33:30 -0700 Subject: The Great News Debate! The result of this war will be a better list. We have been getting good suggestions from both sides. I'd like to add just a few more comments on the subject. Many lists start out as news only. That is until they develop a personality. With every new digest someone tests the waters and tries to go off subject. Eventually someone suggests that an all news list get started and the cycle repeats. Along the way you will have a lot of flame wars and loss some good contributors. Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes are a favorite of mine. The Southside Johnny list has become a news only list. I get 3 to 10 posts a week. Southside has over a 20 year history in the music business, with over a dozen CD's and countless boots. The same shouldn't happen to the Jewel list. Even a newspaper has more than news. "Our list" has editorials, classifieds, humor, reviews, concert listings, TV times, and as of the past week, a science and student help posting. How about a lonely male looking for...., never mind. We also have some of the nices people I have ever met on the net. What the hell else do we need! The many fine Jewel web sites are a good source for news. Every time they make a change to there pages they should just send an e-mail to our list. Igor igorwas@smartcitysys.com ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 02:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Several things, actually Cutting to the chase... 1. Review of Jewel on the Phenomenon Soundtrack from the San Francsico Chronicle, July 7, 1996, by S. Whitall "'Phenomenon,' the new John Travolta film...soundtrack falls somewhat short of that mark [genius], but offers some smart enough summer pop. [other artist' song's reviews] Busker-turned-chanteuse Jewel turns in a warm, womanly rendition of John Hiatt's 'Have a Little Faith in Me' and sounds altogether less cute and girlish than she did on her debut album. There are even moments of throaty Joplinesque abandon on the chorus. Don Was produced the cut, and his customary light touch is just right. [more criticism of other artists and the 'rest of the motley set']" A very nice review I'd say. 2. Just saw a promo for Week in Rock where Kurt promised to talk about artists dodging flying objects. It will probably be a repeat of the story that ran during the week. If you missed it, it's worth watching. And if you can tape it, please do. I'd like a copy, and I can see it as an video clip addition to a new section of somebody's pages called Things We Hate. Just a thought. 3. I'm greatly looking forward to my day and a half of driving-my share of the drive to Jewelstock. If you notice me nodding off, please give me gentle nudge and remind me why we'rethere. Hopefull, i'll be well rested, and I can arrange it so that Geritt drives the last leg, so that I'll be able to sleep that part. Of course I know I'll be way too excited to sleep, but it's worth a shot. 4. If there is anyone near Hwy 80, let one of us know, especially if you'd like a ride. We'd love to have some more company, since I'm sure we'll be mighty punchy the closer we get. Anywhere on Hwy 80 since we'l be taking it basically from coast to coast. 5. I'm bringing a guitar. Lots of songs in my head. It would be nice if someone could do some lyric and/or chord sheets so that we'll have something for everyone to focus on. I can't recall the number of times I've gotten together to jam, only to go "So, what songs do you know?" I've already had a request for flower , so if the tabs are out there or anyone knows them, please forward and/or bring them along. 6. Good night. Can't wait. Take care. Tom Proven e-mail: provent@pls.lib.ca.us "Everyday I will save you From evil monsters Cause that's my job." -Dambuilders ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 03:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Answer for a misguided Angel I must respond to this since I felt the same way when I heard the song PoY. I did not like it and continually skipped over it in my listenings. The thing that bothered me was the use of the insulting words Jew and Faggot. I did understand why she was using them, but hearing them sung still bothered me. It was only after I heard Jewel sing it live that I really began to enjoy it. I'm not sure what the difference was between the album and live experiences, but my desire to hear the song completely reversed itself. When I listen to the album, which is rarely because of the great other material, I stop whatever I'm doing while this song is on. I listen to it, and empathize so much ore. i hope this wasn't too rambling and that you can follow what I meant. There was a point in there somewhere. Igor, Thanks for your reply. You have mentioned the writer before, and it was great to read some exciting and vital newspaper writing. Herb Caen does get very old to read every day. And most other columnists tend to be too self-conscious. Ironic, I know you're getting this from someone you know nothing about. I hope you understand that I'm not flaming you for your dislike, only suggesting another listening, preferably a live one. Her music "touched me much too deeply" after I heard her sing live. If you'd like some samples, feel free to contact me. Enjoy! Tom Proven e-mail: provent@pls.lib.ca.us "Everyday I will save you From evil monsters Cause that's my job." -Dambuilders ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 06:39:56 -0400 Subject: JewelStock- RE: what Crunch wrote Crunch wrote: > =) Hows 'bout someone posting the pre-show possibilities? By this I mean > a jam session, volleyball game, frisbee interception courses, or > a general meeting place (the venue?). This stuff could also be > put on the Web site. 1) Jam sessions/gatherings are already OK'd from 2pm on for Thursday and Friday behind the venue. Can also be the meeting place/time. I am sure there will be folks showing up that early... 2) Hard to put up a place/time on the volleyball game when no site has been chosen nor can be (in advance anyway). It CAN'T be at the venue. Not sure about 'near' it (RE: my post yesterday about 'maybe' an area near the end of the parking lot...but that would have to be cleared with land owners) Sounds like a "play it by ear when we get there" thingy. 3) Frisbee interception courses - the NY State Police will be having DWFIV (driving with frisbees in vehicle) checkpoints at all routes going into a 10 mile radius of the venue. All nearby stores have been purged of frisbee stock. (Don't worry Sinjin, you are NOT laid off, some inventive person is likely to smuggle one thru, that is where we'll NEED your special talents) Mike C. - -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | | | JewelStock Online is at | | | | http://www.theartof.com/jewelstock | | | | username = angel | | password = racecar | | | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ------------------------------ From: diciccda@saber.udayton.edu Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:20:56 -0400 Subject: Re: The Gentle Flamethrower mIKEY wrote that: "No one is in charge of this 'community' we call a list ... No News List and no chat list, pal." mIKEY could not have been more wrong! Jeff W is in charge of this list...and NO ONE should forget that. Jeff also offered space for a jewel NEWS list to be run thru smoe.org. So if the person who is in charge of the list thinks it is a viable concern, then we shouldn 't be "gently flaming" anyone. I would like to publicly thank Jeff for all is hard work and dedication. And even if no one else will admit it...I will step forward and say that Jeff is in charge of this list. To ignore Jeff's contribution would be an insult. peace, dave ------------------------------ From: diciccda@saber.udayton.edu Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:37:48 -0400 Subject: Alaska State Fair Hi Angels! The following appeared in "The Dayton Daily News" page 2A on July 12, 1996: Singing sensation Jewel has gotten too big for the biggest state in the union. The singer, who was known as Jewel Kilcher when she started out in Homer as a 6-year-old yodeler, has canceled her appearance at this year's Alaska State Fair in Anchorage. The 22 year-old atar would have been biggest name ever to play the fair. STAR :) Fair officials said Thursday that they were shocked by the pull-out, which wasted $10,000 in publicity and left them scrambling for a new headliner. "If you can't trust someone from Homer, who can you trust?" said marketing director Dean Phipps. Kilcher's "Who Will Save Your Soul" recently hit No. 13 on Billboard's Top 20 pop singles chart, and another of her songs is featyres in thnew John Travolta movie "Phenomenon." - ---from wire reports my guess is that she canceled so she could stay on the Neil Young tour in august w/out leaving to go to the fair anyone have the full scoop? hiranya? peace, dave ------------------------------ From: Steve Ito Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:51:45 -0400 Subject: Frisbee at Jewelstock Hiya folks... I haven't posted for awhile, I've been swamped with work. Jewelstock Questions for you folks: 1. Who's planning on camping out in tents? 2. Think we could get access to a stereo TV and a HiFi VCR? Some people here (you know who you are! :-) ) have some smokin' (and rare) Jewel stuff on video that I'm sure a lot of people would like to see. I would probably bring my own VCR and stereo for that purpose except that I'm a little worried it might cause some problems at the border for me. I will bring my videotapes though. 3. Anybody up for some Ultimate Frisbee? :-) BTW, I'm afraid that due to other commitments I missed the Frisbee Guard competitions. The requirements Mike laid out were laughably basic. I'll let you guys in to a little secret, in my spare time I'm the head Holy Disc Guard at the Vatican. You know I'm good, too, because when's the last time the Pope had to leave the podium because he got hit by a frisbee? I rest my case. Sinjin may have the deadliest Frisbee weapon, but I wield the Holy Frisbee Disc of Antioch. It wreaks holy terror on all who behold it. (It was constructed by the same warrior/monk who built the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch) Steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Ito, | "Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who Psychology Dept. | says differently is selling something." University of Toronto | -- The Dread Pirate Roberts Toronto, ON, Can. | ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 08:16:08 EST Subject: Re: Nametags...guestbook.....here's another sugggestion On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:52:05 -0400 you said: >JewelStockers, > >While I am for nametags (in a way), and DEFINITELY for a guestbook, here's >another idea that I think may help next Thursday and Friday. > >It occurred to me that I could be staying at the Pinecrest Lodge, or someone >is at the HoJo, and be in a room very near or next to another JewelStocker >and never even know it. Also, you may get out of your car in FUN downtown >Woodstock, and not recognize a fellow JewelStocker. One thing that may help >is an item on every JewelStockers' vehicle that will say they are a >JewelStocker. > >What I want to suggest is that everyone put a blue ribbon (light or dark, >what's the diff?) on either their antennae, a windshield wiper, luggage rack, >or whatever. That way if you see someone get out of a car with a blue ribbon >on it, you'll know it's a friend! If you see a car parked in front of the >cabin or tent or room next to yours with a blue ribbon, you'll know it's a >friend! > >Whaddya think? Am I crazy? (don't answer that 2nd question) > >Mike Connell >-- >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| >| | >| JewelStock Online is at | >| | >| http://www.theartof.com/jewelstock | >| | >| username = angel | >| password = racecar | >| | >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > I think it's a good idea... but I don't like ribbons. Ribbons are used all the time for "causes" and wearing a ribbon does nothing to help said causes (but that's a different debate). I suggest we all buy a little stuffed Angel and tie them to our cars. I guess there's stuffed Angels at the toy stores. Maybe a hallmark store. Better than a ribbon??? Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 08:41:47 EST Subject: Re: Frisbee at Jewelstock On Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:51:45 -0400 you said: >3. Anybody up for some Ultimate Frisbee? :-) BTW, I'm afraid that due to >other commitments I missed the Frisbee Guard competitions. The requirements >Mike laid out were laughably basic. I'll let you guys in to a little >secret, in my spare time I'm the head Holy Disc Guard at the Vatican. You >know I'm good, too, because when's the last time the Pope had to leave the >podium because he got hit by a frisbee? I rest my case. Sinjin may have >the deadliest Frisbee weapon, but I wield the Holy Frisbee Disc of Antioch. >It wreaks holy terror on all who behold it. (It was constructed by the same >warrior/monk who built the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch) > "One...two...five" "Three, sir!" "Three" King Steve (aka King Author) lets loose the Holy Frisbee Disc of Antioch, thus destroying the nasty frisbee throwing rabbit of the HFStivel with sharp pointy teeth. Dean "who has a Monty Python insanity complex" Harris ------------------------------ From: CONNELL@cs.lmco.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 7:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: JARED JACOBUS! EMAIL me at work ASAP! Jared, I don't have your EMAIL address at work here. EMAIL me as soon as you can. RE: RSVP for Lauren Mike Connell ------------------------------ From: xenomorph@sprynet.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 06:15:27 -0700 Subject: Big Blue. . .Ribbon/News/Jewelstock/Tapes/Guestbook/Newsletter I rarely take a chance on cluttering anyone's mailbox but I just wanted to put in reply on a couple things: 1. I love the idea of a blue ribbon. It'll be good to recognize who the Angels are from the locals. We know has something in common and who our friends are. 2. I'm torn on the news/personal debate. I like the personal touches but would prefer that posts at least have a point and add to a legitimate discussion. It's the one, two line posts that say next to nothing that bother me and waste my time opening it to read it. I feel that we should use the SUBJECT line more accurately. Include a better description if it's news, info, reviews, Jewelstock, poetry, songs, personal help, whatever. It makes it easier to scan the headings and push delete if we're so inclined. 3. I'm in Bearsville on the 17th, flying into Newburgh about 11am. I have a rental car reserved. Anyone want to share a ride around there? Anyone want to meet somewhere on that day? 4. Are people planning on bringing extra copies of tapes/shows that they have for trading? It'll save a lot of emails, postage, wait, etc if we do something like that. I'm making multiple copies of my best concerts (Seattle, San Diego, etc..) I think most people have Rare and Innerchange so I'm not concentrating on those. 5. I support for guestbook idea and giving the original to Jewel. Although we all would want an original, I'm not sure how practical it would be. I would think that this show would mean a lot to Jewel since we are her among her most devoted fans. How many people fly/drive across country, stay for days, spend a lot of cash, for an artist with one CD and a lone popular single. I would be a little nervous if I were her. 6. Special thanks to all the wonderful help we have in making this list a special community and for organizing Jewelstock. People such as Jeff, Akira, Mike O'Connell, Hiranya, Lenedra and the one and only, Jewel for without her, we wouldn't know each other or be experiencing life like we do. 7. On my Pieces of Jewel site, I have an archive of Jewel lyrics broken down by song. I had an idea to combine these neatly all into one file for someone who may want them all together to print out, save as one, etc... So if anyone doesn't have access to the web or would like them e-mailed to them. Let me know. 8. Also, not sure of who access to my news section, I've had thoughts of some kind of newsletter (but I would need lots of help from fans who want to submit things). Maybe print if I want to get that ambitious or maybe an email type where I could post the latest news, stories, events here on the list. I update my site pretty much daily anyway so it wouldn't be a problem to add another task to the pile. Thoughts? Comments? Adam Pieces of Jewel http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/xenomorph/jewelmn.htm ------------------------------ From: CONNELL@cs.lmco.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 9:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Blue ribbons vs Angels JewelStockers, Dean Harris suggested "stuffed angels" on cars instead of the blue ribbons. I thought of that too. Howvever, the angels likely will cost more than a ribbon, which will be maybe 50cents. A ribbon will stand out more, which is the whole idea.. You might miss spotting an angel, especially on a car moving the other way in downtown woodstock. Every store has ribbons, might be hard to find a stuffd angel, even at your local Hallmark store. I also feel that the "ribbon" is being used too much for causes too much (as Dean said "different debate") but he and we all realize this is not for a cause, it's to help us find each other before the show(s) next week. I just feel the ribbons will stick out better and be spotted. I was NOT going to suggest tacky YELLOW ribbons for obvious reasons (although they WOULD stick out more), just thought of blue because of "big blue". Can anyone run an experiment and get back to us? Like buy a stuffed angel and a blue ribbon, put them on two different but identical cars and park in front of a Motel 6 and ask passers-by which they think stands out more...and hope they don't call 911 to report that a "lunatic is at the motel asking questions about angels and ribbons" ;-) Just kidding!! Mike Connell ------------------------------ From: Tapaz@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:18:41 -0400 Subject: Fresh Meat Hiya.... This is my second day recieving this list, and I must say...it's quite an interesting experience...The thing is though, I'm lost....All these names flying around left and right...sailing through the air like a fris- er, rather, aeroplane....Hiranya? huh? Wha? Anyways....this maybe shcking to some of you "Everyday Angels" but I don't even have Pieces of You....I just must say that I saw the all-too lovely Jewel on MTV...and was blasted with wierd feelings...somebody kick me... Jewelstock sounds cool...very cool indeed....too bad I cannot join everyone...:~( Nikos Tapazoglou Oh yeah, and thanks to Mike for helping me figure this whole shebang out ------------------------------ From: Ed Hodgin Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nikos.... Your first name is Nikos? You definitely belong here. Sit tight and you'll eventually figure everything out. And while you're waiting, I suggest you go get PoY IMMEDIATELY! After that, we'll turn you on to some bootlegs. Good luck. ed "Still lurking and pouting because I'm broke and can't go to JS!" hodgin ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Alaska State Fair In a quote I recently read Jewel states, "I'm 21 and willing to learn in front of millions of people." I'm concerned that this cancellation may have a negative impact on her reputation. I know people from Alaska, and there is already some reservation there about accepting Jewel as a representative of their state. Alaskans are very jealous of their reputation for being straight-forward, no-nonsence type people. This may be a tough lesson indeed. On Fri, 12 Jul 1996 diciccda@saber.udayton.edu wrote: > > > Hi Angels! > > The following appeared in "The Dayton Daily News" page 2A on July 12, 1996: > > Singing sensation Jewel has gotten too big for the biggest > state in the union. > > The singer, who was known as Jewel Kilcher when she started out > in Homer as a 6-year-old yodeler, has canceled her appearance at this > year's Alaska State Fair in Anchorage. The 22 year-old atar would have been > biggest name ever to play the fair. STAR :) > > Fair officials said Thursday that they were shocked by the pull-out, > which wasted $10,000 in publicity and left them scrambling for a new > headliner. > > "If you can't trust someone from Homer, who can you trust?" said > marketing director Dean Phipps. > > Kilcher's "Who Will Save Your Soul" recently hit No. 13 on > Billboard's Top 20 pop singles chart, and another of her songs is featyres in thnew John Travolta movie "Phenomenon." > > ---from wire reports > > > my guess is that she canceled so she could stay on the Neil Young tour > in august w/out leaving to go to the fair > > anyone have the full scoop? > > hiranya? > > peace, > > dave > Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #347 ***************************