From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #270 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Wednesday, 12 June 1996 Volume 01 : Number 270 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Some people have all the luck Spare Change Re: San Francisco June 29? basia JewelStock Date Re: Jewelstock secrecy?/need subscribe info! I hope this works... Initiating Failure Sequence Re: "Isn't that big yet," he says Rafa's perspective on shit! Re: Growing as an artist Re: Rafa's perspective on shit! Hey Now! question... Re: Angel Standing By Peices of You Re: Smoking Are we musicians? Re: Peices of You To those requesting the Java Joe's Tape ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karl M Fields Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Some people have all the luck On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, James Reach wrote: > Jewel's Mom called me today. Jewel would like the lyrics to... Pardon my ignorance, but what incredible feat did you accomplish in a past life to get calls from Jewel's Mom. I am very impressed. Karl "Wish I got calls from Jewel's Mom" Fields (407) 695-5936 kmf29184@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu ------------------------------ From: ABershaw@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:45:16 -0400 Subject: Spare Change Hi all, I was reading through a few digests from a month or so ago and I noticed quite a few posts concerning the changes in the music & scene around Jewel. I've worked with musicians most of my life and I can tell you that NOW is a real delicate time. At this first real national level of success a huge decision has to be made (while you get pulled in all directions). You have two options. You can stay the same and protect the formula that brought you your initial success. You'll get crucified for staying the same. If you change, you'll get crucified for changing. Staying the same is boring. And change is interesting. Jewel is probably making that choice. And I think she'll opt for being crucified for changing. At this stage people become attracted to the smell of success and they'll tell you "Don't change". But as soon as the scene gets bigger (like now) things have to change. And so now we hear people saying "She's changed, man". This is what's hapnin (in my opinion). It's a weird struggle sometimes. Best wishes to all.------Alan B ------------------------------ From: Jordan Snodgrass/Flood Myth Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:50:44 -0700 Subject: Re: San Francisco June 29? Sinjin@ecn.com wrote: > I read a post saying that Jewel will be playing in the San > Francisco area on June 29th, but I deleted it. If anyone has some info > on it, please send it to me soon! Since I missed out on the Java Joe's > concert I'm considering flying up to SF to see her. speaking of the java joe's gig(s), i have a master recording of the second show that was broken up half way through the set. what's cool about it is that i also have the parking lot gig.. the mic was right in her face and the sound quality is killer. she even grabbed the mic and said "is this on?" if anyone wants to work out some trades, email me at jsnod@owl.csusm.edu .. > Oh yeah, I dare someone to yell "Yodel for us!" at Jewelstock...you > won't have to worry about buying a round trip plane ticket...hehehe funny, she refused to yodel at the 6/09 java joes gig but she yodeled at the java joes 6/10 gig.. in the middle of yodeling she said "there is a fire marshal out side... go home...asshole...fuck you...joe is sweating bullets.." i got it caught on tape if anyone's interested. - -- js. mailto:jsnod@owl.csusm.edu http://www.csusm.edu/public/guests/fm/ "There must be something else, there must be something good... Far away, far away from here.." ------------------------------ From: schoon@thor.pla-net.net Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:06:16 -0500 Subject: basia > From: jeffw (Jeff Wasilko) > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:52:00 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Apolgies (re: Java joe show postings) > > I made a typo while approving some mail that came in during the > night, which resulted in multiple copies of multiple messages > being sent out.... > > Sorry for the inconvenience....I'll be sure I've had my caffiene > in the future (-: > > - -Jeff Did this error include mailings from the "basia@smoe.org", or is my computer just a little screwy? Mikey ------------------------------ From: schoon@thor.pla-net.net Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:35:36 -0500 Subject: JewelStock Date Hello Angels, Can anybody (Akira, Mike, or Hiryana,etc.)please give me an estimation of which week Jewel is considering for the show? I told my boss what was going on, and he's getting a little edgy because he knows I'll go without notifying him in advance if I have to. It would make me really, really, really happy! Thanks, Mikey ------------------------------ From: teffta@crypt.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:52:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Jewelstock secrecy?/need subscribe info! > > > On the other hand, perhaps Jewel would be ashamed at our selfishness. > > >From what Hiranya said, I gather this affair was meant to be exclusive, > intimate and relaxed. A gift from Jewel to her supporters on the mailing > list. I see don't see any reason to feel guilty about trying to keep it > that way. I don't either -- I understand the concept of it being a private concert - -- what I am talking about is some of the arguing about trying to keep it that way ("you should only be able to bring one guest" "no, you shouldn't bring any guests!" "no, I want to bring a whole bunch of people!" "nyah nyah!" "people are gonna sign up for the list just to be able to go to this!" "only true fans should be invited!" "we need a secret handshake and password to let people in!" etc.). I know that most of that is only representative of a minority opinion but it has been voiced quite loudly. It doesn't seem all that complicated to me -- obviously don't broadcast this news to other mailing lists, but if a couple people join the list so that they can go to this, what's the harm? I don't see it being a widespread thing. ------------------------------ From: shanson@twilight.c-zone.net Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:12:53 -0700 Subject: I hope this works... Hi y'all, I'm fairly new here, though I've gotten like 20 digest form mails from this list. I have a few questions... 1. Is this working? Are y'all seeing this? 2. Where is Jewel-stock gonna be? 3. When's the new album supposed to come out? 4. Isn't she performing at some concert this weekend along with No Doubt, Lush, and many others down in the bay area(California) or something? Thanks y'all. I hope I can post at least one message on here now and then. shanson@c-zone.net http://www.c-zone.net/shanson I hope this works, otherwise I'm "gonna look like a burnt out toaster oven" ------------------------------ From: Carter Navarro Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:56:18 -0700 Subject: Initiating Failure Sequence Hi everybody! I just failed my first final in *New Chinese Cinema* today, and am looking forward to failing my second and final final this Friday! If you, too, can fail a class where the homework is watching movies from Hong Kong, I want to shake your hand! At least the Friday final is Intermediate Macroeconomics, so I won't feel exceedingly pitiful when I blow that one. But never mind all that! After 3 p.m. on Friday, I will be free to pursue wine, women, and song or, in my case, Cuervo 1800 and Jewel Kilcher. More evidence that Paul Kim and I are the same person: whenever someone mentions the anime classic "Akira" to me, I begin yelling "KANEDAAAAAH! TETSUOOOO!" uncontrollably. OK, I do it controllably, but when was the last time you heard someone "yelling controllably?" I only have the American soundtrack to "Akira," without all the screaming young Asians, but I also have a friend with the Japanese version, replete with screaming, guttural wretching sounds, and sickening explosions of bodily fluids. I love this movie! I may be stupid, but I'm not crazy, or maybe it's the other way around, but the jet stream isn't powerful enough to carry me from Sunnyvale, California, to Woodstock, New York. The only conceivable way I could get there is if an F5 tornado rips me out of my house and sets me down in Saugerties. I have a pretty good stomach for motion sickness, but my bones have qualms about staying non-fractured in 260+ mph winds. So I ask one of the more devoted (i.e., "richer" and/or "closer") among you to threaten Miss Kilcher with a large sponge in my honor and headbang off the 5% chance she gives you "Chime Bells." I will also be missing Jewel this Friday in Mountain View (ten bloody miles from my house, grrrAWWWWrrr!) due to the aforementioned economics final. The name of this wondrous event is the Live 105 BFD and will also be featuring another of my favorite singing male-torturers, Shirley Manson of Garbage. They say BFD means "Big F**king Deal" but it ACTUALLY means "Big Fierce Dinosaurs," and they're going to be releasing a horde of those newly discovered African super-Tyrannosaurs on all y'all unsuspecting dupes. I guess I'll just have to hear the "Jewel 'N Carnivorous Carnage Concert" over the radio. What, you want Jewel content? Uhh, well, that "WWSYS" video HAS been a bit suspicious lately, though I'm too busy to delineate exactly what has been altered. Miss Kilcher's album got up to number thirteen (ooooh, lucky!) on the Rolling Stone readers' top twenty, and "WWSYS" hit number nine on VH-1's countdown the last time I checked. Now, howabout another single so KOME stops beating that song into the ground? I'm partial to "Foolish Games" myself. I tried an Arch Deluxe. "New from McDonald's: The Whopper!" Ronald sure did grow up; he's become a corporate shark. Anyway, Burger King deserves a nice big stab in the back after Xeroxing the penultimate of burgers, Carl's Jr.'s Western Bacon Cheeseburger. Maybe mimeographing is a better term, since the Western Whopper is as poor an imitation as Bush is of Pearl Jam. I am almost out. Rejoice. - - Carter, Ever-ready Flu Victim ------------------------------ From: pjk@cybercom.net (Philip J. Kelnhofer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:28:24 -0400 Subject: Re: "Isn't that big yet," he says >From: Karl M Fields >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: "Isn't that big yet," he says. > >On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Philip J. Kelnhofer wrote: > >> I really don't think we should have to worry since Woodstock is far enough >> from even New York City a lot of people aren't going to drive a couple >> hours just because Jewel is giving a show. She isn't that big yet. > >A couple of hours from New York City!!? I plan to drive about 20 hours >from Florida. > >Karl M Fields >kmf29184@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu > Yes, but I'm sure you are huge fan as evidence by your presence on the list. I would have driven twenty hours as well. My point was about people who aren't big fans. Out side of a very devoted following, I don't Jewel as yet has a big mainstream following. If the concert is a few hours from a major city I don't think we are going to have thousands of people trying to crash the gates. pjk - -- "Proper treatment will cure a cold in seven days, but left to itself a cold will hang on for about a week" - Henry G. Felsen ------------------------------ From: ANGEL GALINANES <75271.2740@CompuServe.COM> Date: 12 Jun 96 17:11:12 EDT Subject: Rafa's perspective on shit! Fellow Angels: Shit is smelly and it incites in me an unvoluntary feeling of vomiting. Now seriously , I love Jewel. Anyway , I'm writting this letter as my farewell address on the Jewel list. I'm leaving for France on friday , wish me luck... I don't wanna crash in the middle of the Atlantic ocean. I guess you're life will be better without my cynisism ( ,<-- ??) , but hell you guys gotta admit that my dark side of life is funny and kinda reminds you of Richard Lewis ( <--- even though I can't stand him as a comedian) and a series of dark comedies like War of The Roses. I'll be back in a couple of weeks , precisely June 28th, and will join you guys again and , then your funny puertorican teenager will make your life a bit more pleasant. If you see Jewel and get to see her , please make her know that Rafael Angel exist, and that his love for her music excedes his love for anything else. Until then my friends: Rafa ( who saw the Puertorican Parade in New york on t.v and now understands why american steriotype all puertoricans) Galinanes. p.s: how many musicians are there in this list ??. ------------------------------ From: jasegedy@unccvx.uncc.edu (jason segedy) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:55:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Growing as an artist Greetings, I cannot stress how much I enjoyed seeing Jewel with just her guitar, at a free concert in Cleveland, a mere nine months ago; or how much I enjoy the sparse arrangements found on the "Pieces of You" disc. However, I also had the privlege of seeing her twice in May, with the band and the new songs (e.g. "Marital Carnival") and in my ever so humble opinion, Jewel was extraordinary (now there's a big surprise!) No matter which songs she decides to include on the new album, there can be little doubt that it will be more heavily produced, with more of a "band" sound, and of course, will probably sell a ton of copies. I think the important thing to realize is that she's still the Jewel that we know and love, and debate concerning whether the "old" or "new" Jewel is better, should be irrelevant. Sometimes it seems that there is this huge misconception that changing and growing as an artist is somehow dishonest or "selling-out." From interviews that I've seen Jewel doesn't seem to be a big fan of labels such as "folk" or "alternative", and shouldn't be thought of as just a folkie with a guitar. She is simply an extremely talented musician and artist, for whom growing and changing musically is both natural and honest. Anyway, enough of my incessant prattle, or whatever. This is my second day on the list, and it seems that all of you are quite devoted fans, as well as being a quite diverse and interesting group of human beings. "Good morning, Paul." - -After Hours Later, Jason Segedy ------------------------------ From: James McGarry Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Rafa's perspective on shit! On 12 Jun 1996, ANGEL GALINANES wrote: > p.s: how many musicians are there in this list ??. That's a good question and I'm surprised no one has asked (unless I am horribly mistaken) before this. I think it might depend on what you call a musician. I putter around with things, my bass (which needs to be fixed again), my roommates 12 string Takamine, I have a couple of blue harps and various little instruments. Mostly I'm a brass guy, sans trumpet at the moment but pretty much anything with valves and a mouthpiece I can work with. I'll never be anything more than a putterer musically and I don't think most people I know would ever call me a musician, but its fun and I enjoy it. :-) How 'bout y'all? James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: hope Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:02:26 -0500 Subject: Hey Now! This is regarding the post about those of us who do not post... I have found that we all appreciate Jewel Kilcher for her honesty in lyric writing as well as musical performance. For this many of us to have such an appreciation shows that we are of relatively like minds. I am one of those untrustworthy folks who haven't posted on a regular basis, (Actually this is my first post,) but my questions and concerns are already addressed by all of you who do post on a regular basis. So don't be so quick to judge the intentions of those who you don't know. I wish you all a productive and peaceful week! Oh yeah, in response to the age question, I am a 23 year old with a bachelors degree in political science and am currently pursuing a law degree. I think that this group is make up of folks from all walks of life. I think that it would be interesting if everyone could share as much as they feel comfortable doing about themselves so that there is more continuity as a group united by friendship rather than only one interest (granted Jewel is a good interest.) Hope ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() () CRITICISM () ()The Savages are upon me and I feel() ()my flesh burn beneath the teeth of() () their indifference. () ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ------------------------------ From: TJtalken@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:37:34 -0400 Subject: question... can someone e-mail me the names of all the songs on the Save the Linoleum? thanks duff ------------------------------ From: rwm126@psu.edu (Rich Melko) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:42:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Angel Standing By >I agree, the Radio Angels version of this song really increased >my appreciation of it. And it sounded surprisingly good in that >format (solo with no overdub). I listened to that tape in my truck on the way to work. It brought tears to my eyes. I kept thinking of all the people that meant so much to me that have died. I like it much better in that version without the overdub. I heard it for the first time in concert and it brought tears to my eyes there too. Rich Melko ------------------------------ From: rwm126@psu.edu (Rich Melko) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:42:16 -0400 Subject: Peices of You I was wondering if anyone else was wondering why it always seems that Jewel cracks jokes before and during this song so often. The first time I heard this song was in concert and I remember her saying, "This is for a girl who hates me." When she uttered, "she's an Ugly girl", I, as well as most of the crowd, laughed. It sounded like maybe it was a funny song. Then I heard, "Do you hate her because she's peices of You?" I understood what was being said there and throughout the rest of the song and it wasn't so funny. I recently got my first bootleg and noticed the same reaction in that audience. Do you think that she was trying to lighten up the song because it is almost a shot at people (the audience)? Maybe trying not to accuse the people in the audience. Perhaps trying not to make any people uncomfortable with those accusing words. Or perhaps the meaning is better defined and sticks with a person if it comes as a shock. I think Jewel is very good at figuring out how people think and whatever she was doing was intentional. I think that the song says so much in so very few words. This is just something that I noticed. Perhaps there is no meaning. Maybe it really is a funny song. Rich Melko - - - "Years go by, will I choke on my tears, till finally there is nothing left. One more casualty, you know we're too easy, easy, easy." -- Tori Amos - - - ------------------------------ From: rwm126@psu.edu (Rich Melko) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:42:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Smoking >Most people have the same reaction to me. In fact, most of my friends are >happy that I don't drink or do drugs because they can't imagine what I >would be like if I did. Unlike you it does bother me when people smoke >(weed) or even drink. I think that the main reason is people drink and do >drugs to escape reality on some level. Even if it is just to let them >relax a little. I like to face life head on no matter how bad it looks. >The main reason I don't drink or do drugs is that I like to pride myself on >thinking clearly and looking at things logically and I don't want anything >to effect that. >I was happy to hear that Jewel doesn't smoke since there are so many artist >who do and it's rarer nowadays to hear an artist say right out that they >don't do drugs than that they do. >Just my opinions. >pjk > >-- >"Proper treatment will cure a cold in seven days, >but left to itself a cold will hang on for about a week" > - Henry G. Felsen > > > I guess, now that I think about it, it does bother me to see people smoke. Sometimes I confuse what I think I should think with what I really do think. Sometimes it is a real difficult task seperating the two. I thought I was the only person in the world that doesn't drink. Is there a club for us freaks of society to join? My friends on the other hand are always trying to get me to drink. It becomes quite a hang up sometimes. I always feel like a geek telling people that I don't drink. It is so sad that I should be made to feel this way. I totally agree with that escaping reality stuff. I say tell the world Jewel. Drugs aren't so cool. Who needs to lose their mind to enjoy themselves. Rich Melko - - - "Years go by, will I choke on my tears, till finally there is nothing left. One more casualty, you know we're too easy, easy, easy." -- Tori Amos - - - ------------------------------ From: jasegedy@unccvx.uncc.edu (jason segedy) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:15:31 -0400 Subject: Are we musicians? Hey again, I'm new and only working twenty hours a week, so I figured "What the hey?" might as well keep posting. Regarding the musician question posted by Angel: I've played guitar for the past couple of years, but to borrow a word from James, I too am mostly a "putterer." It is true that I had long hair and played in a hard rock/metal band a couple of years ago (kinda a combination of Queensryche and Pixies) but time marches on, and I proceeded to cut my hair, become civilized in the eyes of society-at-large, and until lately have been too busy to do anything other than putter. I like it that way. There are too many things that I am interested in for me to focus completely on one thing, like playing music. I do know some Jewel songs, but I try to concentrate on writing my own songs, rather than playing other people's (even if they are as good as Jewel's.) Now, regarding the question of age. I am twenty-four, with a B.A. in Geography and am currently working on my M.A. in Transportation/Urban Planning. I live in Charlotte, but lived 23 of my 24 years in Cleveland, and plan on getting a job in Northeast Ohio as soon as I graduate--I know you Southern Californians must think I'm crazy, but I really do adore Cleveland: snow, Browns, and all. I agree with Hope that it would be cool for us to let everyone else know what we're doing, it makes it much more interesting. I think it's great that we can have such a wide variety of people on this list: a forty-five year old, ultra-liberal, atheist; with me: a twenty-four year old, moderate, Christian. Variety is the spice of life. Peace. "Is that all there is to a fire?" -Jason - -Peggy Lee ------------------------------ From: Andrew Levstein Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:18:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Peices of You At 08:42 PM 6/12/96 -0400, you wrote: > I was wondering if anyone else was wondering why it always seems >that Jewel cracks jokes before and during this song so often. The first time I heard "Pieces of You" on the album I had two thoughts: 1. What a tremendous, powerful, meaningful song! 2. It would be a TERRIBLE song to hear in concert! I think that the jokes during the song (Cranberries, etc.) help to cut the obvious tension that the song creates. I really enjoyed it with the funny little interludes, and it made the song very listenable in concert. Although there certainly should be room for serious songs at a concert, I don't think it is such a great idea for the audience to be uncomfortable when listening to a song. When we all listen to the song, privately, in our own houses, we are free to contemplate what it means to us. But I noticed (at both Jewel shows I have been to) that when she starts to play the song people start looking around, wondering if the person standing near them is gay, or is Jewish and might feel uneasy. I happen to be Jewish,and I think the song is a great comment on anti-semitism, but some of my Jewish friends definately started to squirm when I played it for them. I also can see straight people, or non-Jewish people feeling uneasy "on behalf" of gays or Jews. Just my observations....I'm curious as to what other people think Andrew Levstein lev@idirect.com ------------------------------ From: Jordan Snodgrass/Flood Myth Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:11:04 -0700 Subject: To those requesting the Java Joe's Tape To those who have requested a trade for the Java Joe's show... I have had nearly *30* requests! I am only one guy, and taping 30 shows is going to take some time, so please bear with me! I will get to you eventually.. I have compiled a list of those of you who wanted it and will begin work on the dubbing shortly. I will get back to you all with info as soon as i'm ready to trade with you. Patience will pay off, my friends. - -- js. mailto:jsnod@owl.csusm.edu http://www.csusm.edu/public/guests/fm/ "There must be something else, there must be something good... Far away, far away from here.." ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #270 ***************************