From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #260 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Sunday, 9 June 1996 Volume 01 : Number 260 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Some bad vibes Other version of WWSYS on Vh-1 countdown Hiranya's JewelStock News! Recording JewelStock Concert and T-shirts Re: Some bad vibes Re: Some bad vibes DATES FOR CONCERT... FW: Some bad vibes Re: Bad vibes Re: cassette label maker program? T-Shirt Confusion Tshirt url PLUS Re: HIRANYA AND ALL!! PLEASE, PLEASE READ!! copyrights on designs now MTV TIMES TO CALL! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael W Dombrow Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:32:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Some bad vibes As I read about the preperations for jewelstock and the countless other ventures regarding jewel from this list I can't help but stop and think that there exist on this list quite a few people who really need to calm down. Ok, so what am I refering to? Well the fact that some people here on this list fancy themselves as the end all jewel fan. Like the whole idea on 'Rare Angels' being a list only venture, or asking people to only bring one person to JewelStock (Because then there would be too many people there and whoever would come that is a jewel Newbie woould talk and my oh my how it is such a terrible thing for someone to talk during a show). I can somewhat understand the 'Rare Angels' move, it could be dangerous to have something like that drag out for years and years as new members come to the list and want the tape, then you have to constantly find people out there who want to continue the tree, simply put it would be a logistical mess. But in my thinking that it would have been hard to do I find it snobby to limit who can listen to some really good music. Then This Jewelstock idea, you know its great but the level of greatness decreases tenfold the more someone puts restrictions on it. By saying that you can only bring one guest to the show is silly, I mean Jewel is a Nationally recoginzed recording artist and for this list to impose rules on a concert given by her is wrong. Regardless of who organizes it or who does all the work to make it happen or who is the biggest fan you cannot set rules down for something that you are only going to be participating in on the smallest level, because you are not the person getting up on stage. Now if jewel came out and said, 'no more than one guest' I wouldn't have a problem with it. This list sometimes reminds me of religion, you have something that a large group of people like, sooner or later 'his' like is going to be different than your like and you are going to hold that against him (as in the case of James' post about limiting numbers at the show and newbies wanting Jewel to Yodel). Or even worse you are going to have people that, while actually believing in what they are trying to help, they degrade the thing that they are trying to help by setting limits and rules to it. I see this happening on this list, I only hope that people have understanding about other people to see what could happen if you set limits to something limitless: respect and liking an artist who dereves the respect you so greatly disregard by setting yourself up to be the end all of Jewel fans or by acting as though anyone on this list is somehow a better Jewel fan simply because they are a member of it. Because as PD Heaton (of the Beautiful South) once sang "there is always someone with a faster car, There is always someone with a better guitar, If you've been far there is always someone whose been further than your far...." And Im sure there is someone out there who is a bigger fan right around the corner, but wait they wouldn't be cool like me because Im a member of the Jewel@smoe.org list and they are not. thanks for listening michael ------------------------------ From: ANGEL GALINANES <75271.2740@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jun 96 11:36:55 EDT Subject: Other version of WWSYS on Vh-1 countdown Angels: Jewel was on the Vh-1 countdown and she was ranked # 9 . The funny thing was that it was the other version , it had other clips in it , other camera angels and other shots of Jewel. It was a lot better than the other version. Anyway , I'm feeling a lot better about not being able to go to Jewelstock. All I ask if for a recording , a photo if possible and if you get to meet Jewel , tell her of me and my adventures I had when I was beaned in the head by an icecube when I tried toi expand her audience in Puerto Rico by singing I'm Sensitive. well I gotta go , peace , love , unity , enthropy and harmony , your friend : Rafa p.s: Duff , thanx for offering to help me get as much I can get from the concert. ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 12:04:24 -0400 Subject: Hiranya's JewelStock News! Angels, Well, I'm sure your read the latest EMAIL from Hiranya to me that she CC'd to the list. Some VERY exciting news in there (maybe TWO shows!) and she answered all of the concerns addressed in my long UPDATE from this morning. If you re-read Hiranya's EMAIL respose to my EMAIL and it sounds as if we as a group (the list) have alot less to do than we thought. It sounds like Lenedra is going to choose the venue totally herself, I'll have to get more info about that from Hiranya. Hiranya also said a list member has already been chosen to record this professionally, so many of our soundman etc concerns may be unwarranted. Like Hiranya said, this should all come together fine and flow easily. All we MAY have to do is come up with a list of which members are going to go and how many guests allowed per, and maybe a final determination of charge, if any. Also, Hiranya said, it may get assigned to a non-profit group to get the funds. Heck, us venue organizers may be out of a job soon. Right now, it looks like not much needs to be done real soon. Alot of relief/slack has been provided by Hiranya's latest post. Akira, Bill and I still intend on compiling the list of who intends to come to the show, that HAS to be done. Akira has received a good 110 or so confirms so far, at least that's as of our last converstion last night. Mike Connell P.S. One last thing, there have been some EMAILs lately stating about over-reaction, and other things. Like I said in my update this morning, Hiranya threw this at us Thursday night, disappeared (we now know due to computer problems) and left us with that. Knowing little about Jewels tight schedule, those of us who live near Woodstock felt compelled to get the ball rolling now, to get a head start until we heard from Hiranya again. Heck, if you re-read Hiranya's first post on JewelStock, it sounded like the list had to DO EVERYTHING and get a venue approval from Lenedra. Yeah, I admit to the writer of one recent post that stating that "maybe only one guest per member" may have been dumb, but I was just trying to make a point that "one per" may just be a reality depending on venue availabilty. I did say that 2 or 3 was more likely. That writer was not one of the ones who took on an early responsibility of tackling the venue issue when it fully seemed that was a job that had to be done. I was just addressing many possibilities to answer the MANY questions that have risen on Jewelstock since it was announced. At the time, ALL was unknown and it seemed JewelStock day may be close. ------------------------------ From: Andrew Levstein Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 12:49:33 -0400 Subject: Recording JewelStock >. Hiranya also said a list member has already >been chosen to record this professionally, so many of our soundman etc >concerns may be unwarranted. I read the post from Hiranya too, and I interpreted it differently. I read it as if permission has been given for *A* list member to record the show, not neccessarily that a list member has already been given permission. Perhaps this is worth confirming with Hiranya, and if someone has not been chosen, It might be wise to consider Alan's offer (from AB Audio Engineering). Thanks Andrew Levstein lev@idirect.com ------------------------------ From: rwm126@psu.edu (Rich Melko) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 12:50:27 -0400 Subject: Concert and T-shirts Hi, I am sorry if I missed something and am regurgitating someone elses suggestions. I had approx. 250 messages today and spent almost 1.5 hours reading or skimming them, which means it is pretty likely that I missed something. Concert - I know there isn't an exact day yet for the show but it is hard for me to say if I can go or how many people, if any, I can bring. I didn't understand if Akira was making a list of people going or trying to get a rough idea. Please don't make any kind of concrete decisions on who will be allowed to attend until at least a week after you announce the date. I would prefer a friday because I would only have to take 1 day off work. Any other day would require 2 days so it wouldn't matter at that point. Hell, I might quit my job if I have to to in order to go. I don't know if any companions of mine would be so bold though. Monday, August 19th, would be absolutely perfect for me and my friends because I will already have quit work and I don't start back to college until that wednesday. T-Shirts - I think that maybe a few different T-Shirts should be made available. A different person could handle the different designs. I think this would make a lot more people happy. I know the idea of the shirt is so we can identify each other but we shouldn't have to sacrifice comfort in order to do so. I wish I had the time and know-how to help out with this stuff. I hope any suggestions I make or ideas I have can help someone. Rich Melko - - - "Years go by, will I choke on my tears, till finally there is nothing left. One more casualty, you know we're too easy, easy, easy." -- Tori Amos - - - ------------------------------ From: "Brett M. Eskin" Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Some bad vibes Look man, first of all, I used to think like you did. I don't anymore. You should settle down. It's not a religion, it's called being a fan. Just take all messages with the proverbial grain of salt. - --Brett On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Michael W Dombrow wrote: > > > As I read about the preperations for jewelstock and the countless other > ventures regarding jewel from this list I can't help but stop and think > that there exist on this list quite a few people who really need to calm > down. Ok, so what am I refering to? Well the fact that some people here > on this list fancy themselves as the end all jewel fan. Like the whole > idea on 'Rare Angels' being a list only venture, or asking people to only > bring one person to JewelStock (Because then there would be too many > people there and whoever would come that is a jewel Newbie woould talk > and my oh my how it is such a terrible thing for someone to talk during a > show). I can somewhat understand the 'Rare Angels' move, it could be > dangerous to have something like that drag out for years and years as new > members come to the list and want the tape, then you have to constantly > find people out there who want to continue the tree, simply put it would > be a logistical mess. But in my thinking that it would have been hard to > do I find it snobby to limit who can listen to some really good music. > Then This Jewelstock idea, you know its great but the level of greatness > decreases tenfold the more someone puts restrictions on it. By saying > that you can only bring one guest to the show is silly, I mean Jewel is a > Nationally recoginzed recording artist and for this list to impose rules > on a concert given by her is wrong. Regardless of who organizes it or who > does all the work to make it happen or who is the biggest fan you cannot > set rules down for something that you are only going to be participating > in on the smallest level, because you are not the person getting up on > stage. Now if jewel came out and said, 'no more than one guest' I > wouldn't have a problem with it. This list sometimes reminds me of > religion, you have something that a large group of people like, sooner or > later 'his' like is going to be different than your like and you are > going to hold that against him (as in the case of James' post about > limiting numbers at the show and newbies wanting Jewel to Yodel). Or even > worse you are going to have people > that, while actually believing in what they are trying to help, they > degrade the thing that they are trying to help by setting limits and > rules to it. I see this happening on this list, I only hope that people > have understanding about other people to see what could happen if you set > limits to something limitless: respect and liking an artist who dereves > the respect you so greatly disregard by setting yourself up to be the end > all of Jewel fans or by acting as though anyone on this list is somehow a > better Jewel fan simply because they are a member of it. Because as PD > Heaton (of the Beautiful South) once sang "there is always someone with a > faster car, There is always someone with a better guitar, If you've been > far there is always someone whose been further than your far...." > And Im sure there is someone out there who is a bigger fan right around > the corner, but wait they wouldn't be cool like me because Im a member of > the Jewel@smoe.org list and they are not. > > > thanks for listening > > michael > ------------------------------ From: CornflkGl@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:09:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Some bad vibes On June 9, Michael/ domb0010@gold.tc.umn.edu wrote : Then This Jewelstock idea, you know its great but the level of greatness decreases tenfold the more someone puts restrictions on it. By saying that you can only bring one guest to the show is silly, I mean Jewel is a Nationally recoginzed recording artist and for this list to impose rules on a concert given by her is wrong. I want to remind Michael, and everybody else, that the reason limits might be put on bringing guests is because Jewel is doing this concert for us, the members of this mailing list. It is NOT a public concert, it's basically by invite only. The mailing list CAN impose rules on a concert given by her just because of this-- it is a concert for us. I personally think that it's a good idea to have a rough limit on how many guests you can bring (like 1 or 2 ). Everyone is prone to speaking a sentence or two during a concert, even the most die-hard of fans. I think this is a beautiful thing Jewel is doing for us. Please, let's not spoil it by making it a "hey ! there's a concert ! everybody can come ! " , or popularity contest, OR reason to argue over little things. Please ? Let's just all do this together. Thanks for listening :). Rachel CornflkGl@AOL.com ------------------------------ From: Akira Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: DATES FOR CONCERT... Hey angelss... I guess you all heard what Hiranya had to say about the dates.... and = now we are going to take a consensus. Fact: Jewel can play for us = between July 10 th and the 30th. She will only play after a recording = session and it can't be during the weekend.. fri, sat, sun. With this in = mind I will be taking suggestions on when the concert should take place. = EMail me at chi3@ix.netcom.com, and give me 2 dates per message. I will = compile them=20 into a group, and take the dates majority says.....This will be going on = for a while..... so that everyone can have a voice.:) ps... mail me if this message is kind of screwy on your computer. I seem = to have a problem with message format, and want to know if it is still = there. ------------------------------ From: Akira Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:45:34 -0400 Subject: FW: Some bad vibes I agree whole heartedly with what is stated below.... let's keep it simple and beautifull... - ---------- From: CornflkGl@aol.com[SMTP:CornflkGl@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 09, 1996 1:09 PM To: domb0010@gold.tc.umn.edu Cc: jewel@smoe.org Subject: Re: Some bad vibes On June 9, Michael/ domb0010@gold.tc.umn.edu wrote : Then This Jewelstock idea, you know its great but the level of greatness decreases tenfold the more someone puts restrictions on it. By saying that you can only bring one guest to the show is silly, I mean Jewel is a Nationally recoginzed recording artist and for this list to impose rules on a concert given by her is wrong. I want to remind Michael, and everybody else, that the reason limits might be put on bringing guests is because Jewel is doing this concert for us, the members of this mailing list. It is NOT a public concert, it's basically by invite only. The mailing list CAN impose rules on a concert given by her just because of this-- it is a concert for us. I personally think that it's a good idea to have a rough limit on how many guests you can bring (like 1 or 2 ). Everyone is prone to speaking a sentence or two during a concert, even the most die-hard of fans. I think this is a beautiful thing Jewel is doing for us. Please, let's not spoil it by making it a "hey ! there's a concert ! everybody can come ! " , or popularity contest, OR reason to argue over little things. Please ? Let's just all do this together. Thanks for listening :). Rachel CornflkGl@AOL.com ------------------------------ From: CJDavid@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL Date: Sun, 9 Jun 96 14:36 EDT Subject: Re: Bad vibes OK, guys (a general term not meant in the sexist way or else it wouldn't include me), we're going through this crap yet again... I must say that I don't think the people who took over did it because they thought they were the coolest. They just thought that they were the best people due to their location. Most of us must agree that we are not to familiar with the area. I only live about two hours from there and have been there a few times and still have no clue where an event like this should be held. The limit on guest is not because of snobbery but because of need. Yes, we have had a lot of problems lately due to newbies who feel shut-out, but I think this list has done an enormous amount to be nice to those new to Jewel's music. On the HORDE net (the only other net I'm on) we had this one guy who had just heard of BT from "Run-around" and he was laughed off the list. The Jewel-list never does that and this people restriction is not an attempt to shut out but an attempt to control. I hate being serious. I'd much rather write about how I was watching Ferris Bueller on Comedy Central and they cut to commercial in the middle of the final running scene. What kind of thing is that to do? Do we really need to see that Rogaine commercial again? I mean, let's be realistic the people who would be watching Ferris Bueller aren't exactly going to identify with the businees guy on the commercial... OK, back to the point which I think I've already made. LETS CHILL. Everything is goign to come around and be cool. Work needs to be done and it is getting done to the best of Akira's, Dan's, and Mike's ability. Peace, cj "The words the happy say are paltry melody, but those the silent feel are beautiful." ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Saint Aski" Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: cassette label maker program? On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, SEGAL,CRAIG JOSEPH,MR wrote: > Hi > Sorry that this doesn't relate specifically to Jewel. Anyway, does > anybody know where I can download a cassette label maker program > for the Macintosh. I have the messiest print in the whole world > and would love a program. If anybody has any info please e-mail > me directly as to not clog up the list. Again---thank you > ADAM > brtk@musicb.mcgill.ca I sorta have the same problem with the IBM. However it's temporarily solved. I have been using the windows 3.1 paintbrush program to design fairly decent cassette labels. I think you could use any decent graphics program on the mac to achieve the same results. The only thing is I have to print these out on a Laser Printer cuz the dot matrix ones always screw it up somehow. If anyone out there has a good program for windows that runs on a 386 I'd be happy to try that out too ;). Roger +===========================================================+ |Roger Branstetter University of Florida | |http://grove.ufl.edu/~rbranste | |"If I cried me a river of all my confessions | |Would I drown in my shallow regret?" - Sarah McLachlan | |"If you know me so well then tell me which hand I use." | | - Tori Amos | +===========================================================+ ------------------------------ From: pjk@cybercom.net (Philip J. Kelnhofer) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:17:43 -0400 Subject: T-Shirt Confusion I want to clear up a few things about the T-Shirt situation. Gordon (GRobe10258@aol.com) and I (pjk@cybercom.net) have been contacting each other and are working together to get these done. We got a little made at the other for some toe-stepping that took place but that is behind us. I assure you we want T-Shirts that are affordable and professional. As for JewelStock the T-Shirt I am making for that is NOT the mailing list shirt. It is to commerate the event and will be avialible at the concert and afterwards to the list in general via mail order. The mailing-list shirt will most likely not be done before the concert takes place. It will be availible via mail to list as soon as it is done. We are still taking designs for the mailing list T-Shirt they should be mailed to James at juddjam@eng.auburn.edu and can be viewed at http://www.auburn.edu/~juddjam/pics/tshirt/index.html designs will be voted on later this month and Gordon and I will work together to transform the design (many of them are quite rough) into something that looks professional and have the shirt printed. The JewelStock design is done and can be viewed at http://www.auburn.edu/~juddjam/pics/tshirt/JewelStock.html just a warning though it will probably be touched up before it goes to print but this is the basic concept. I am working on text descriptions of everything so people without graphic capabilities (I only had lynx until recently) can get an idea what the shirts look like. I hope this clears things up. If you have any question mail me at pjk@cybercom.net pjk ps. I am the Mr. Servo, Gordon referred to he accidentally took the name from my .sig - -- "I weep for the death of the spirit and the soul." - Tom Servo ------------------------------ From: "James H. Judd" Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:38:21 -0500 Subject: Tshirt url PLUS And i though y'all would be getting tired of all my posts: > Can the person with the T-shirt choices please fwd the URL to the list? http://www.auburn.edu/~juddjam/pics/tshirt/index.html Gordon said: > ps. Maybe I will post our design somewhere and if anyone is interested in it > then maybe we will print it anyway. I knew feelings would be hurt- that's why i asked at the start of this if there was any good way to decide on a Tshirt person as well as all the other important people. I'll be happy to post your design if you send it. pjk has been doing alot of work and emailing with me so i appreciate his efforts maybe more than y'all can. I'm sure you can work something out. He has spent alot of time on this- but whatever everyone decides is fine with me- i'm just a medium for displaying designs and have no "loyalty" to anyone- i just have seen the work pjk has put into this project and feel like you were a little harsh. That mail hurt MY feelings- i'm sure it hurt his too. I know i feel like i'm infringing on the territory of other web page authors when i do my stuff with Jewel- most of the pages took obvious hours of work and are done very well- mine are very weak in comparison. Just a pat on the back to the web guys out there and an mini-apology. (i still feel that way even though i probably shouldn't) > Also, i might not be the only one without graphics capabilities...so > when people say they are going to put a design on the web...could you > include a verbal description of the design to the list? We're in no rush on the mailing list design, only the concert design. I will post text descriptions of all the stuff as well as the author's comments later. We're in phase 2 of it now- the smoothing over healing process. Let's give it time and it will work out. Akira and everyone else working on the concert- y'all have great enthusiasm and i think y'all are doing a great job- thanks for keeping us informed, and keep up the good work. My concerns are no more. Gotta get some work done, James _________________________________________________________________________ Auburn University Eng. Network Services Web/Lab Guy Computer Science Grad Student http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~juddjam ------------------------------ From: volt@best.com Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 12:40:13 -0700 Subject: Re: HIRANYA AND ALL!! PLEASE, PLEASE READ!! At 10:35 AM 6/9/96 -0400, Hiranya@aol.com wrote: > >If there is a charge, Jewel wants it to be very low and cover >the club only. Otherwise, she will assign a non-profit to get >the funds. Maybe victims of the Alaska fire. She wanted it >to be free as a thankyou, as posted earlier, but if people want >it could be for those who lost everything in the fires in Ak. > Wow. That's totally cool. Wish I could go. On the other hand, think how little revenue that would generate for her cause. But the entire gesture is so very kind. >Permission has been given to a list member to professionally >record this so those who dont go wont miss out entirely. > I suppose copies will be made available to anybody on the list who wants one? I really hope so, cuz the chances of my being able to attend are slim to none, unless she does it on like the 10th and I can get my vacation out that way extended for 4 days. Welp, take care Angels volt ------------------------------ From: "James H. Judd" Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:06:51 -0500 Subject: copyrights on designs now Hi, I have added a copyright to the bottom of all the design pages to protect them from being used without your consent- thanks for pointing that out to me- i usually copyright my work but didn't feel right doing it with your designs being central to the pages. I will not give consent for anything- so don't be concerned that my name is there too- i just wanted to be sure you were protected and the web is a rather new place where copyright laws are still being interpreted- it can't hurt. Jewel is so kewel for offering the concert after being so tired and going through all her recent woes! James _________________________________________________________________________ Auburn University Eng. Network Services Web/Lab Guy Computer Science Grad Student http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~juddjam ------------------------------ From: Will Chinda Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MTV TIMES TO CALL! OK, if everyone on this list call 1-800-DIAL-MTV as many times as possible during the next week and requests "You Were Meant For Me" we may be able to get it on the top 20. Next week we'll see if we can get WWSYS into no. 1. Anyone going nuts planning Jewelstock shouldn't waste time by doing this. I'll try and see which are the best times to get through. Will C. (will81) "If I die before I learn to speak, Will money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?" -Primitive Radio Gods ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #260 ***************************