From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #232 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Friday, 31 May 1996 Volume 01 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: song about her brother Jewel & Vulgarity Tommorow!!! Patti Rothburg Appearance on JRR Re: Patti Rothburg/Craft/rants/politics/Fuzzy Animals (well not really) Re: Jewel & Vulgarity Re: Appearance on JRR/politics/awww screw lets talk about the songs Set List-5-29 Nicotine Love Also Re: Jewel & Vulgarity Re: Appearance on JRR/politics/awww screw lets talk about the songs Re: Jewel & Vulgarity tour date question Fwd: DC Show That May 21 show in New Jersey hi Re: political statements Re: okay james... Re: Patti Rothburg My collaboration with Jewel and Re: Appearance on JRR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James McGarry Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: song about her brother On Fri, 31 May 1996, Andrew Wynn Rouse wrote: > Who knows the name of that song about her brother; also anybody have the lyrics? The song is 'Nikos' about her half-brother. The lyrics are at Aaron Walker's Everyday Angels page, here: http://www.nebula.net/~lazlo/jewel/other.html#Nikos Nikos She lived in a trailer out eastern road Her loneliness was a disease But my daddy couldn't see it though Her name was Linda her smile was forced And folks 'round town say she dressed like a divorce My daddy had a son by her 'though she wasn't supposed to be able I was eight years old when they told me 'round the table I looked at my daddy, he looked to the ground I guessed that we'd be stickin' round ahwile Might as well smile cause there's no point in being mean I guess that's just what you get when you forget to dream Got called to the principal's office Did I do something wrong? Doctor on the telephone said, "Congratulations, you've got a baby brother born." Got sent to a psychiatrist in case I resented their child. I was bitter in my anguish but my manner was mild. My daddy got excommunicated from the Mormon church. Guess an illegitimate son in God's eye has no worth He tried to stick around but he flew the coop in spring. He loved that baby just not Linda it seemed But still I know we'd be stickin' round awhile Might as well smile cause there's no point in bein' mean. I guess that's just what you get when you forget to dream. So Linda got remarried now my brother called that new man "dad" But it didn't last long I hear his temper was bad So she said that we could see him on every other Saturday. We all were shocked when he called my daddy "uncle" She said it was better that way. They tried to get back together but it was off and on One day she disappeared, I hear to Oregon. I haven't seen him since. I guess I'm supposed to forget. That he was my brother too and not just their legal mess I thought that we'd be stickin' 'round awhile Might as well smile 'cause there's no point in bein' mean. I guess that's just what you get when you forget to dream. This song is for Nikos wherever you may be I know things were tough but you're okay by me And your momma ain't a bad person, my daddy's ain't no fool Sometimes parents just need forgiving too. PS, I love you, your sister Jewel. PS, I love you, your sister Jewel. For my money, probably one of Jewel's most touching songs and that's saying something! James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: "J.A.K.E." <1AESCHJA@mystic.slcc.edu> Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:17:16 MST Subject: Jewel & Vulgarity Hi Sabra, you remember me, J.A.K.E.? I wish I could fight the urge to comment (I don't want an ugly flame thread to start) but I am compelled to give my input. You speak of Jewel's vulgarity and how you have become jaded about her, but let me ask you one question. How does a person's vulgarity define whether or not they are sensitive? I met her as well and thought she was the sweetest damn thing. Shoot, I wouldn't even define Jewel as vulgar, she's simply BOLD. She says what she feels and she may or may not curse when she does it but she is human and she has a need to be heard. Our past defines us and has defined her. Your view seems just a tad self-righteous. It is not the language in of itself that is ugly, it is our interpretations and reactions that make it seem so. Hypothetically, how would you react to women taunting you about washing your hair in a Denny's bathroom sink? Then look at Jewel today. She was well justified at the NY concert when she said, "This gold record is for those two ladies, f--- you." She made her point well, and I hope mine has too. Please, relax. - J.A.K.E. p.s. - Sabra pessimistic? No way! :) ===================================================================== original message replied to: > Date sent: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:46:48 -0600 (MDT) > From: Sabra Richardson > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: Re: political statements > Maybe I shouldn't jump in, but I'm curious what others think so here it > goes: > > Ealrlier today Chopped Liver said: > > > A creative artist will find a way of saying exactly what they feel in a > > way that will illuminate instead of alienate. Unless they are just > > trying to get a few cheap cheers from the audience. > > Personally, I feel Jewel has not progressed past this stage of getting > "cheap cheers". I would welcome any comments about this. Perhaps I am > wrong, but after seeing Jewel live and hearing her vulgarity, I became a > bit jaded about her as a person and had to turn to her work to believe > she was actually as "sensitive" as she claimed. Think about it: you're on > stage and what do you do to get a sure rise out of the audience? Throw > out a few four-letter words and watch 'em scream with joy. It doesn't say > much for the audience; it doesn't say much for the artist. This is my > personal view. After all her words about "the world tells us we're ugly" > I'd like her to prove the language doesn't have to be. > > sabra > (perhaps I'm too pessimistic today?) > ;) > ------------------------------ From: DramaDrama@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:43:26 -0400 Subject: Tommorow!!! Tommorow, Washington at HFStival Jewel and No Doubt, the two best EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 31 May 96 14:58:27 EST Subject: Patti Rothburg I'm just curious to see how people on this list like (or don't like) Patti Rothburg. It would be my guess that most will like her... though Jewel she ain't, but who can be besides Jewel herself. :) Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: William Chinda Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Appearance on JRR On May 27, 1996 Jewel was on a radio show on 101.1 WJRR in Orlando. She played Cold Song, Chime Bells, and WWSYS. She also talked about how she would vote for Clinton because "he hadn't done anything bad". She also changed the words slightly in WWSYS: "Afraid that Bob Dole will take his toll/that we forget to begin". Just wondering, does she change it to that during live shows? Will C. will81@concentric.net ------------------------------ From: Piglet Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:32:10 +0600 Subject: Re: Patti Rothburg/Craft/rants/politics/Fuzzy Animals (well not really) ooh! ooh! ooh! ooh! -quote Horshack yeah Patti she is definitly in the same room as Jewel but maybe at the bar not at a table great album found mine used so its out there personal fav song Treat me Like Dirt it rocks it has good lyrics and damm it I just like it well scuss my goofy writing but hey its FRIDAY not to continue this too far off topic how about any Tracy Bonham fans btw -- found me a copy of The Craft used pretty dark rockin album the movie is a must see even at $7 in my mind I like Jewel's new song/style on the soundtrack Got a real deep rich sound, and the progaming is great hmmmmm -- politics I like the fact that some musicians express them selves but it is also true that they are molding young minds but in the end it up to us personally who we like me I vote and think mainly from the way I was raised If I was in the same kind of position as someone like Jewel, Sting, k.d.lang, and others I would definitly make the issues that I felt deeply about more widely known I wouldn't of know the truely dire situation that the idiginous people of the rainforests are in if it were not for Sting That does not mean that I will be giving them money--after all I am still a poor college student but it does open my mind To some it may look like some artists go to extrems but it is art and what is art but an exageration of reality take Sinead's dated tearing up of the Pope's picture now she could of just said that the Catholic church is wrong in many of its policies but that would not of made nearly the same impact as tearing up a big old glossy well enough rants I must say though that I am much in the liking of the current level of topics discussed here well time to go out into the sun and start enjoying this glorious weekend Robb [w/ guests 12' Godzilla and Fuzzy the purple bear] You can't talk to a phsyco like a normal human being -- Poe (the female type musician) ------------------------------ From: Sabra Richardson Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Jewel & Vulgarity Hey J.A.K.E.! It's been awhile! I wasn't sure you were still around. Then you show up with a candle-flame of an argument to my post! I tried to e-mail you personally but it got returned. Good to see you again (?) ;) I feel compelled to point out I'm not the only one who's commented on Jewel's choice of words, therefore I'm not the only self-righteous person around here. Hey, if I don't stick up for myself, who will? :) > It is not the language in of itself that is ugly, it is our > interpretations and reactions that make it seem so. True, but I think everyone can mutually agree on their definitions. I think it would be ten times more (referring to Charlie's note) "illuminating" to see her get around the base insults. Anyone can spew four-letter words. It takes more thought to *not* use them. I feel I might be flamed into oblivion for expressing my view. I don't mean to say my ideas are gospel; they're not. I just like to hear an opposing argument once in a while. The matter of vulgarity is an issue to me, so I'd like to know who else dislikes it. sabra ------------------------------ From: Piglet Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:39:51 +0600 Subject: Re: Appearance on JRR/politics/awww screw lets talk about the songs >would vote for Clinton because "he hadn't done anything bad". She also >changed the words slightly in WWSYS: "Afraid that Bob Dole will take his >toll/that we forget to begin". Just wondering, does she change it to that oh no... here comes another flaming battle my opinion look at the facts Bob's nearly sixty he is of my grandfather's generation yes he is an insider but look at what our last grandfather president, old Ronnie, did for us Bill he's in his forities my father's generation an insider and an outsider, starting to make some big connections aaaaaaaa...... screw it does Jewel still perform 501 Beauty Queen live? to me it is one of her most poetic songs and also humorous does she make the crowd laugh alot at shows? oooohhhh I wish I could go to DC this weekend Jewel/No Doubt/ and who n\knows what other bands I truely like will be there hey has anyone ever thought of WWSYS as a more poetic version of You Oughta Know you know the angry young woman mantra by Alanis well...maybe its just me Robb [w/ guests 12' Godzilla and Fuzzy the purple bear] You can't talk to a phsyco like a normal human being -- Poe (the female type musician) ------------------------------ From: "J.R. Hendrickson" Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:58:48 -0500 Subject: Set List-5-29 Nicotine Love Also Sorry, I forgot to include in the 5-29 Charlotte show the following song on the set-list: Nicotine Love She did an excellent job of performing this song! - --James Reach using a friend's internet account. ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Jewel & Vulgarity Just a quick comment on this subject. Jewel loves language and uses it well. There's a place in the world for "vulgar" language and what it expresses and there aren't adequate substitutes for it. No other words carry the same power, simply because they are "forbidden." Personally I love the whole English language from vulgarity to the most latinate and flowerly of words, and I don't want anyone to forbid me the use of any part of it. I suspect Jewel feels the same. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~neile/ ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 31 May 96 15:57:28 EST Subject: Re: Appearance on JRR/politics/awww screw lets talk about the songs On Fri, 31 May 1996 15:39:51 +0600 you said: >>would vote for Clinton because "he hadn't done anything bad". She also >>changed the words slightly in WWSYS: "Afraid that Bob Dole will take his >>toll/that we forget to begin". Just wondering, does she change it to that > >oh no... >here comes another flaming battle > >my opinion >look at the facts >Bob's nearly sixty ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Bob is actually around 71. Just being picky! :) >he is of my grandfather's generation >yes he is an insider >but look at what our last grandfather president, old Ronnie, did for us >Bill he's in his forities >my father's generation >an insider and an outsider, starting to make some big connections >aaaaaaaa...... It seems to be a semi-concensus that artists such as Jewel have a right to voice their political opinions on stage. I have to agree, even though I don't agree with Jewel's political opinions... assuming she's being quoted correctly here. The strange thing though, we don't seem to grant others that same right on lists such as this on. A few months back I was slammed rather heavily by several people when I mentioned my conservative leanings (fallen down maybe :) ) in a Jewel content post. Oh well. We conservatives are considered insensitive, so I guess I can take it. :) >hey has anyone ever thought of WWSYS as a more poetic version of You Oughta >Know >you know the angry young woman mantra by Alanis >well...maybe its just me Actually, I always thought of "My Own Private God's Gift To Women" (and "Race Car Driver" to a much lesser extent) in this respect. WWSYS isn't projected towards men in general, but these other two songs are. Dean Harris, trying to figure out why I continue to post these politically oriented messages knowing I'll be bombarded by people trying to convert me. ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 31 May 96 16:08:31 EST Subject: Re: Jewel & Vulgarity On Fri, 31 May 1996 13:37:12 -0600 (MDT) you said: > >Hey J.A.K.E.! > > It's been awhile! I wasn't sure you were still around. Then you show >up with a candle-flame of an argument to my post! I tried to e-mail you >personally but it got returned. Good to see you again (?) ;) > >I feel compelled to point out I'm not the only one who's commented >on Jewel's choice of words, therefore I'm not the only self-righteous >person around here. Hey, if I don't stick up for myself, who will? :) > >> It is not the language in of itself that is ugly, it is our >> interpretations and reactions that make it seem so. > >True, but I think everyone can mutually agree on their definitions. I >think it would be ten times more (referring to Charlie's note) >"illuminating" to see her get around the base insults. Anyone can spew >four-letter words. It takes more thought to *not* use them. > >I feel I might be flamed into oblivion for expressing my view. I don't >mean to say my ideas are gospel; they're not. I just like to hear an >opposing argument once in a while. The matter of vulgarity is an issue to >me, so I'd like to know who else dislikes it. > >sabra Since you asked.... Personally I don't mind the vulgar language. Heck, me and my buddies use it all the time "amongst ourselves". What does bother me is the fact that kids attend some of these concerts. I don't know if she's used this language in venues where there is no age limit to get in. I just hope when there is no age limit and parents may be bringing their thirteen year old daughter, who just loves Jewel, to the show that Jewel is refraining from this kind of language. Yes, I know. 13 year olds use this language anyway. True. But they don't need role models encouraging the use of such words in public around just anyone. Kids need to learn that there are situations where such language just isn't acceptable. Remember that some films are rated R simply because of the amount of vulgar language used. These ratings are to keep children from such things without their parents around to explain. As far as I know concerts don't have ratings. :) So I just hope Jewel watches herself when children are present. Dean Harris who can't believe he just preached a no cussing sermon. ------------------------------ From: Rich Claice Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:34:32 CST Subject: tour date question Forwarding note from: NTMail 05/31/96 7:25pm +0000 > > >does anyone know if jewel is going to be in Dallas on Sunday, where? >And if she is going to be in Austin any time soon? > > > > >. ------------------------------ From: MSiegel203@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:41:13 -0400 Subject: Fwd: DC Show HFStival is completely sold out this Sat. It sold out in like 20 minutes so looks like you aint going. However, I have my ticket..... - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: rw.campbell@mdn.net (Robert W. Campbell) Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org To: jewel@smoe.org Date: 96-05-30 23:51:58 EDT HELP! HELP! HELP ! Immediate Help needed! I am flying from Michigan to D.C. for the Stand for Children gathering and business. I just found out that Jewel will for sure be there and performing later in D.C. somewhere. I have no further information. I would like any assistance in the location of her performance this saturday and ticket availability. Any information to led me to being able to see her this saturday, June 1st in D.C. would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, ROB... ------------------------------ From: Sean Hooks Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: That May 21 show in New Jersey Date: 31-May-1996 05:19pm EST From: Hooks, Sean SHOOKS Dept: STUDENT Tel No: (201)-408-5581 TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%jewel@smoe.org ) Subject: That May 21 show in New Jersey I was at the May 21 show in Sea Bright NJ at the Tradewinds and really really really want a tape of that show. If absolutely anyone has anything(even if the quality isn't so great) please get back to me. I though it was a great show, plus I was there, plus the setlist was awesome and is prob'ly one of these best if not the very best show of the tour, crowd was relatively cool, good setlist, energetic and genuinely interested and not too tired Jewel throughout. Well, that's about all. Oh and does anyone have a complete setlist in order, I know all the songs, just not the order. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ From: Sheila M Hoeck Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: hi Hey everyone, I just joined the list and i don't even know if i'm writing to the right address but oh well....I saw Jewel in Mpls a couple of weeks ago and i thought she was just great-I had never heard her music prior. I was sooo impressed and i would reallly really like some shows. I was wondering if anybody tapes her shows or if anybody can trade with me. I do have some Rusted Root, Sarah Mclachlan(not much) and Tracy Chapman. But my boyfriend has tons of Phish if anyone is interested intradeing and doesn't like what i got. yeah, he has phish and Dave Matthews, and some other bands. If interested please email me--I really want a tape!!!! thanks and glad to be aboard, sheila ------------------------------ From: j.mullins1@genie.com Date: Fri, 31 May 96 23:27:00 UTC 0000 Subject: Re: political statements It was written- > To which I can reply only that a lot of young voters could do a lot > worse than to take Jewel's word for anything. Elections in the USA are > not won or lost on the basis of the candidates' beliefs or policies, > they're won on the basis of who slings mud most efficiently so as to > distract voters from debate of any substantive issues with any > relevance to their own lives. Yes, but the decision should be the voters' own in the end, not Jewel's or anyone else's... > Do you trust Bob Dole to talk about anything relevant to YOUR life? > I'll take Jewel. and so should her young, impressionable audience. It > beats ADM, or Exxon, or Domino's... I make up my own mind. I'm not a Dole supporter, but that doesn't make the action right just because I agree with her... Of course this is all my opinion... Shakey (j.mullins1@genie.geis.com) "People ask why I'm chasing a comet's tail I tell them because standing still is like being in jail" ------------------------------ From: "James H. Judd" Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:18:42 -0500 Subject: Re: okay james... Hey, If you would like to know the details of my relationship with Patrick, email me. If i get over 10 replies i'll post, since i feel that represents a significant interest of the list. This just in... Jewel scans of her cassingle, and i'm done with classes til fall!!! http://www.auburn.edu/~juddjam/pics/cassingle/ Enjoy, my angels, James _________________________________________________________________________ Auburn University Eng. Network Services Web/Lab Guy Computer Science Grad Student http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~juddjam ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Patti Rothburg I think she's all right. I got a promo tape from Tower for free with three tracks (Treat me like dirt, Perfect Starnger, Between the 1 and the 9). It's good, but too pop for my tastes. I've also been hearing Inside a bit, and feel the same way. It's not bad, but I think the production may have taken away from the songs. I think they did a good thing leaving many of Jewel's songs close to their original forms (from coffeehouse) Patti might be better live, but at this point it would have to be an under $10 show. Tom email: provent@pls.lib.ca.us "You have a fire down in genius, subtlety And you slip through the fingers of ambiguity." "You can always detect the breaking of a voice Or you can always defect and walk away from the choice." ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 18:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My collaboration with Jewel and Re: Appearance on JRR Did you tape the show? I'd love to get a copy if so. She does change lyrics sometimes. She often improvises verses in concert. She wrote a whole verse during a show in Santa Cruz last Feb. I posted the lyrics for No More Heartaches, that's the one. And she also did a verse during one song (I'm sensitive?) about some obnoxious camera noises. And I helped write it!! Someone was taking pictures and they were annoying her. Camera sounds were loud, and she couldn't come up with a good rhyme so I suggested proud and she used it. Just bragging about my collabaration with Jewel. Tom email: provent@pls.lib.ca.us "You have a fire down in genius, subtlety And you slip through the fingers of ambiguity." "You can always detect the breaking of a voice Or you can always defect and walk away from the choice." ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #232 ***************************