From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #212 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, 21 May 1996 Volume 01 : Number 212 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Yodeling Rainbow Belt gay? Nicotine Love-Why all the recent Interest? Faggot, Do You Hate Him? The Irony of Yodelling Re: gay? Re: Jewel Gay Re: Jewel Gay I just realized... (for entertainment purpose) Re: Nicotine Love-Why all the recent Interest? Fanzine requests Dance Between 2 Women-Lyrics Jessica--Petition from Fans Jessica--Lyrics Thank you's to Atlantic Records Tim, Kennedy and Rainbow Belts explained ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pjk@cybercom.net (pjk) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:40:14 -0400 Subject: Yodeling I got to see Jewel for the first time at the Paradise, and was actually suprised that she did yodel. People in the crowd kept yelling "Yodel for us" whenever she would tell a story so much so that she flipped off one guy when he kept yelling while she was telling the story behind Fragile Flame. When she started Chime Bells I knew what it was right away (even though I hadn't heard it before). When she did yodel she didn't seem like she wanted to. Although she said "Do you want me to go fatser" she started right up again pratically before the crowd could respond. Maybe if she didn't yodel I would remove some one thecrowd who just go to see her because she is "cool." If we could get a message to her it should only yodel if _YOU_ really want to don't just do because you think you have to. If she is not enjoying herself I don't think real fans would enjoy it either. All in all I would been happier to not have her yodel, it was like giving into to the most obnoxious part of the crowd. It was such a great show I certainly would not have been disappointed. pjk ps. Why do all bands save their big song (in Jewel's case WWSYS) for the encore. The only band I know of who doesn't follow this is Cracker they have been know to play their "single" first or sometimes leave it out altogether. - -- "I weep for the death of the spirit and the soul." - Tom Servo ------------------------------ From: pjk@cybercom.net (pjk) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:46:14 -0400 Subject: Rainbow Belt I may be an idiot, but what in the Heck Ramsey does a Rainbow Belt mean? Is this another thing like earings in men (left=gay, right=straight) because I have friends who have defied such conventions just to prove how stupid they are. Judging from many of her lyrics I would guess she isn't, but if she is gay and it affects her music for you than I really do weep for you. pjk - -- "I weep for the death of the spirit and the soul." - Tom Servo ------------------------------ From: Richard Chang Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:48:14 -0400 Subject: gay? a number of you have written responses about jewel's sexual = preference.... and the majority opinion is who cares? I mean we love = her for her music and beautiful voice right? If her sexual preference is = really going to play a difference between whether you listen to her = music or not, boy... you got some thinking to do. I know that I couldn't = care less if she was gay, bi, or straight... just as long as she = continues to sing the music that only Jewel knows how. Besides what does a rainbow belt mean? I mean a belt holds your pants = up... nothing else. ------------------------------ From: reach@fishnet.net (James Reach) Date: Tue, 21 May 96 00:39:11 PDT Subject: Nicotine Love-Why all the recent Interest? I have recently gotten a bunch of requests for the lyrics to "Nicotine Love" as the Lyrics Archivist. I have sent the responses back to the requesters via private E-Mail. My question is: why all the recent interest? Did Jewel perform the song lately? James Reach ------------------------------ From: reach@fishnet.net (James Reach) Date: Tue, 21 May 96 01:28:43 PDT Subject: Faggot, Do You Hate Him? I think the below article is relevant to this list because it deals with using the word, "faggot" in a song, as Jewel does in her song, "Pieces of You." From Los Angeles Times, Saturday May 18, Section F (Calendar), Page 1 Taking a Risk to Make a Statement Pop Beat: Singer Me'Shell NdegeOcello uses a derogatory term for homosexuals in the title and lyrics of her new pro-tolerance song By Steve Hochman The hot seat's never been hotter for public figures usng racial or cultural epithets--as Mark Fuhrman, Michael Jackson and Marlon Brando have learned. Yet singer-songwriter Me'Shell NdegeOcello is willingly taking that seat. Not only has she included a song on her new album that makes prominent use of a derogatory term for homosexuals in both the lyrics and title but she also plans to release it to radio as a single on Tuesday. Despite the epithet, key radio programmers in several major markets--including KKBT-FM (92.9) in Los Angeles--have already said they're willin to play the song, "Leviticus: Faggot." NdegeOcello, who says she is a lesbian, defends the use of the term as essential to the song's examination of gay-bashing and intolerance. A funky ballad in the tradition of Marvin Gaye and Curtis Mayfield, the cut--which will be on the singer's second Maverick Records album, "Peace and Passion," due in the stores June 25th--describes a gay man being taunted and beaten by homophobes. Meanwhile, his mother, "hoping he will change" his sexual orientation, prays to "save him from this life." "Hey, faggot, better run," the song begins. The second verse starts, "Go to church, boy, you're just a prisoner of your own faggot world." "I want people to question the attitude of the mother, and I just wanted the song to be human and deal with the issue in a human perspective," says NdegeOcello, 27, whose critically acclaimed 1993 debut, "Plantation Lullabies," earned her a Grammy nomination and included the hit singles "I'm Diggin' YOu (Like an Old Sould Record)" and "If That's Your Boyfriend (He Wasn't Last Night). Jackson's claim that he was trying to expose intolerance in his 1995 song "They Don't Care About Us," which used a derogatory term for Jews, failed to quell objections, and he reissued the song with the offending language made unintelligible electronically. The use of "faggot" in Dire Strait's 1985 hit, "Money for Nothing" and Guns and Roses' 1988 song, "One in a Million" drew intense fire from gay activists. But the clear pro-tolerance message of NdegeOcello's song, as well as her homosexuality, are leading many gay men and lesbians to support her song. "I haven't heard the song, but from what it sounds like to me, I hope radio stations will play it," says Tamra King, entertainment media director for the Washington-based Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. "It's a song that sheds light on the situation gay men face; they are the most targeted people in Los Angeles for hate and violence now, according to the Police Department." But will everyone listening to the radio get the message? That was the big question on the mind of Freddy DeMann, the co-CEO of Maverick Records, when he took the single and several other songs from "Peace and Passion" to play for select radio programmers around the country last month. The first reactions were exactly what he feared. DeMann recalls that when he first mentioned the title of the song to Michell Santosuosso, program director of San Francisco's KMEL-FM, her response was, "Are you crazy? This is San Francisco!" Says Santosousso: "I said there was no way we can play it given the large presence of the gay community here. But Freddy said, 'Listen to the words.' And then we said, 'Wow. We have to play this.'" Santosousso hopes to head off any uproar by bringing in local gay activists to discuss the song's message on the air before playing the song for the first time. Harold Austin, program director of L.A.'s urban-oriented KKBT-FM, also says he plans to air the song but knows that some listeners won't wait to hear the story before reacting. "It's a word that, regardless of what context is being used, someone is going to feel offended by," he says. "But at the end of the day, it's a great song, so I'll play it." Mike Morrrison, program director of L.A. adult-alternative station KSCA-FM (101.9), though has not made up his mind whether to play the song. He's concerned that some listeners will not get the message. "It's a difficult track to decide on," he says. "Many people listen very passively, and the first reaction could be that it's an anti-gay song....It would be easy to back away from it, though. ANd if it turns out that the song turns the world upside-down, it would be nice ot say we stepped out early and did something." After radio tests out the track, the next step will be submitting a video, now being readied, to MTV and VH1. Linda Alexander, spokeswoman for the cable channels, says that no decision will be made about the clip until the channels' executives see it. "Historically, we prohibit derogatory terms of any kind," sh says. "But though that word is derogatory, in the context of the song or video it may be incredibly powerful in a positive way. But we can't comment on anything we haven't seen." The possibility of releasing an alterered version of the song with term replaced by the character's name has been considered, but NdegeOcello is against it. "It's important that at first the character doesn't have a name, he's just a faggot to them, because so many people outside the norm are seen as nameless, just a label," she says. GLAAD spokeswoman King acknowledges the danger of making the term seem acceptable. Already, she says, the word is allowed to pass where other epithets are not. But she believes that the potential pro-tolerance impact of the song outweighs the fear. "We're the last group where it's OK to say, "Beat them up,'" she says. "And NdegeOcello is trying to shed light on that. ------------------------------ From: Jason Chung Szeto Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Irony of Yodelling This recent debate about her yodelling has made me see the irony of the situation. Sometimes in concerts she would preface this song with her story about how she was beaten up every day when she moved from Alaska to Hawaii until she yodelled for them. But then she ended up having to yodel everyday at lunch. This seems to mirror the situation now, with indirect pressure from fans and potential fans for her to yodel in order to impress people. Once she gains more stature as a musical artist, then she probably won't feel as much pressure to have to yodel at every show. - - jason ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Tue, 21 May 96 08:13:19 EST Subject: Re: gay? On Tue, 21 May 1996 01:48:14 -0400 you said: >a number of you have written responses about jewel's sexual = >preference.... and the majority opinion is who cares? I mean we love = >her for her music and beautiful voice right? If her sexual preference is = >really going to play a difference between whether you listen to her = >music or not, boy... you got some thinking to do. I know that I couldn't = >care less if she was gay, bi, or straight... just as long as she = >continues to sing the music that only Jewel knows how. > Besides what does a rainbow belt mean? I mean a belt holds your pants = >up... nothing else. I agree whole heartedly that her being straight or gay has nothing to do with the thing at hand... her music. But I just have to mention this song because no one else has. What does the song "Dance Between Two Women" mean? Anyone have the lyrics to it? Dean ------------------------------ From: "SEGAL,CRAIG JOSEPH,MR" Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:14:30 EDT Subject: Re: Jewel Gay I hope that people realize that whether Jewel likes penises or vaginas doesn't make a difference. Let's keep the discussions in the spectrum of Jewel's music, not her sexual orientation. thanks, Adam brtk@musicb.mcgill.ca ------------------------------ From: teffta@crypt.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:27:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Jewel Gay Actually, knowing whether Jewel is gay *should* make a difference, if you want to have any understanding of her music. Just as knowing about the story behind "jessica" or "daddy" makes the song more meaningful to you, the more knowledge you have about the artist, the more the art can be worth to you (artistically I mean). Heck, half of you are complaining that her "new fans" don't care about Jewel the person, they just either want to ogle her or hear the hits from MTV. And we recently all saw what happens when someone hears "faggot, faggot, faggot" in a song without either listening to the rest of the song or knowing anything about Jewel. Though I know what you guys all *mean* to say is that her sexual orientation isn't going to make her any more or less valid in our minds. But sometimes I wonder if you aren't protesting a little too much. After all, if it doesn't matter, why bother to say "it doesn't matter?" ;-) ------------------------------ From: ANGEL GALINANES <75271.2740@CompuServe.COM> Date: 21 May 96 11:18:16 EDT Subject: I just realized... (for entertainment purpose) I just realized I'm the guy that Jewel is talking about in Foolish Games. I got dark eyes and careless hair , and even sometimes dark hair and careless eyes. I'm not brilliant in the morning , but I smoke my cigarretes and I talk over coffee every morning and every night. I like Mozart and my fave architectural style besides Gothic is Barroque. Geez!! Jewel wrote a song about me and I didn't notice. This was for sole entertainment only!! By the way in what song does Jewel yoddles in The rare angels?? I have the rare angels tape and someone told me she yoddles in it. Is this true?? If Jewel doesn't feel like yodeling anymore during shows that's up to her and whatever she does I'll accept. I saw Jewel yesterday in the House Of Style. She was so cute and nice and sweet , and she has good tastes in clothes!!! until then my friends : Rafael Angel ------------------------------ From: awalker@macalstr.edu (Aaron Walker) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:03:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Nicotine Love-Why all the recent Interest? >I have recently gotten a bunch of requests for the lyrics to >"Nicotine Love" as the Lyrics Archivist. I have sent the >responses back to the requesters via private E-Mail. My >question is: why all the recent interest? Did Jewel perform >the song lately? Well, she performed it at the Minneapolis show. I was kinda surprised, since last time I saw her someone requested it and she asked "How do you know about that one?" I don't know if she's been playing it at all her shows, but she definitely played it here. > >James Reach - -Aaron Walker Email address: awalker@macalstr.edu Home Page: http://www.nebula.net/~lazlo/ ------------------------------ From: Ddhaoc@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:08:44 -0400 Subject: Fanzine requests The day of the Jewel "fanzine" is upon us. Three things are required to make this puppy fly: 1. Demand 2. Supply 3. A way to produce it that doesn't burn out or bankrupt the staff. You can check off numbers 1 and 2. Demand is growing, and fans are eager to play a part in Jewel's promotion. Stories, reviews, photos, tour dates, etc...If people are interested in having something like this available, respond via this list. (F YOU HAVE NO INTEREST REGARDING HOW TO PRODUCE SUCH A FANZINE, SKIP TO THE NEXT POST NOW! YOU'LL BE GLAD YOU DID.) Producing such a fanzine (I really hate that word) is the kicker. I suggest bypassing the conventional methods (subscriptions, cut down trees, make bad photocopies, take out a mortgage for stamps, et al) and putting the majority of our efforts into quality content. Instead of planning for a hand-to-hand passed paper publication, let's use electronic distribution. With Adobe Acrobat PDF files, we can incorporate color graphics, links to the wealth of info already being published on the web and thru lists such as this one, and make the fanzine available 24 hours a day, worldwide. It can be viewed online, offline, or printed onto paper. The key is to plan for these options from the beginning. The publication has to be compact for quick downloading or inclusion onto a standard floppy disk. It has to be viewable on DOS, Windows, Mac and Unix stations. The viewer software needs to be cheap (FREE). The fanzine needs to be free (at least the downloadable version). If a non-computerized fan wants a copy, they can request it can be printed and sent for the cost of toner/paper/postage. If we do this right, it will complement the existing fan web sites (who can possible archive back issues for us), featuring material appropriate to its nature. It will be successful if we can create a synergy between existing media and give other groups a reason to promote it as well. We need to keep it non-profitable, and Jewel's approval of the concept (even just a "sounds great, good, whatever" response) would ease my concerns regarding copyrights and other legal beartraps. I have the hardware/software tools and experience to put the "issue" together, and am willing to put some time into it. Having coordinated large scale organizational publications before, I am concerned only about one thing - -- content. We will need a lot of it, and when we get it, some efficient way of sorting thru it. We'll also need fans to understand if we don't use something they sent in. As I see it, the purpose of the fanzine would be to promote Jewel, inform/entertain fans and have fun doing it. Reducing potential stresses thru planning and eliminating every bit of overhead costs we can now will go a long way toward realizing these goals. Please respond to the list and/or my email address: ddhaoc@aol.com That's my story, and I'm schtickin' to it... Dennis Harris ------------------------------ From: reach@fishnet.net (James Reach) Date: Tue, 21 May 96 09:09:23 PDT Subject: Dance Between 2 Women-Lyrics Per your request: Dance Between Two Women by Jewel Kilcher Thank you for the flowers you brought me today And thank you for the kindness you showed me today No love can be stronger than between two strong women No man can ever know the dance between two women We can dance... My lady... May I have this dance? Thank you for the wisdom the knowing from inside And thank you for the comfort only a woman can provide No man can ever know the dance between two women Love can't be stronger than between two strong women We can dance... My lady... May I have this dance? Thank you for the strength without a need for power And thank you for the rhythym, the sacred circle Love can't be stronger than between two strong women No man can ever know the dance between two women Like you and I We can dance... My lady... May I have this dance? -end- ------------------------------ From: reach@fishnet.net (James Reach) Date: Tue, 21 May 96 09:20:46 PDT Subject: Jessica--Petition from Fans Almost everyone on this list loves Jewel's song, "Jessica" the wonderful song Jewel performed straight from her heart after a friend of a friend died in a car accident and was captured on live onto tape in Toronto. The song is immortalized on the "Rare Angels" cassette, side two, cut one. Despite only having performed this song one time, it is still discussed among us fans as perenially among our top 5 favorite songs. Since Jewel is about to record her second CD in July, I think it is appropriate we lobby Jewel to include this song in her new recording. Either Jewel could re-record the song, or if not, Jewel could simply use the original of the recording that was used for "Rare Angels" and include it as a regular or bonus track on her new CD. If you agree with me that "Jessica" should be included on her new CD please sign the below petition: Dear Jewel: We the undersigned fans of yours would like you to include your song, "Jessica" on your new CD. It is amony your fans' favorite songs. You could either re-record the song, or simply use the recording your fans have of this song when you performed it in Toronto and include it on your CD either as a regular or bonus track to the CD. Respectfully, ------------------------------ From: reach@fishnet.net (James Reach) Date: Tue, 21 May 96 09:30:16 PDT Subject: Jessica--Lyrics Jessica by Jewel Kilcher He used to walk with Jessica Down to the diner They'd sit and talk for hours About nothin' in particular Just bullshit the time away That's what she used to say She'd wrinkle her nose when she said it That's how you know she meant it Jessica Jessica She'd call him at nine a.m. To see how sleep had been treatin' him And though they were never lovers They were soulmates under cover They'd drink beer and sit around Or just sit still and not make a sound And he would shudder to think Of what life would be like Without his best friend -slash- shrink Jessica Bridge: She's an angel at his table A force to feel but not to see Blinded by her absence Haunted by her memory If only you were able to see the angel at your table He got a phone call From her mother He said, "Yeah, right stop kidding around." He felt his heart fall to the ground Since then everyday Seems to feel like winter Everything is colorless As he can't see it with her Jessica Jessica He could easily have been with her Driving home in the car It was her birthday It's sick how things work out that way Now at night when he sleeps A watch over him she keeps She whispers in his ear For his heart to hear Jessica Jessica It's amazing how a soul can leave Suddenly from a body Rendering it useless And stealing its desire to breathe One moment here then gone With no forwarding address Love no longer has a house Residence in flesh Religion without a temple No place to take your worship to No God for the eyes to see No fruit to lay at the feet of Jessica Jessica If only you were able to see The angel at your table Then you'd understand why You never got to say goodbye To Jessica There's no such word as goodbye For Jessica She's always standing by Jessica -end- ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Thank you's to Atlantic Records I don't know how many of you did this, but I felt compelled to send thank-you notes via email to the people who were responsible for cybercasting the 5/16 concert. Here's one of the replies. Yes, there are actually people on the other end of those email addresses. On Tue, 21 May 1996 AtlanticOL@aol.com wrote: > Dear Charlie: > > I can't tell you how great it was to receive your message. Your support is > sincerely appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to write. > > Best regards > Nikke Slight > Atlantic Records > > > Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu ------------------------------ From: volcano@sirius.com Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:10:56 -0700 Subject: Tim, Kennedy and Rainbow Belts explained Kennedy25 wrote: >But a friend told me that Jewel is GAY!! At first I thought she was > crazy, but the other night at the DC show she was wearing a rainbow belt and I started to have second thoughts. Can anyone verify this? Tim responded: > First of all, would it really matter if she was? Would that change the > way you felt about her music? Second of all, what the heck does a = > rainbow belt have to do with it???? > - -Confused > Tim Potter Hi Angels, I wanted to clear Tim's confusion. In the lesbian and gay community there is a Rainbow Flag that represents gay awareness and pride. There are many things you can buy to wear displaying the rainbow flag: i.e. jewelery, clothing, stickers, belts, the flag itself. If you come to San Francisco you see rainbow flag bumper stickers all over the place on cars. Thus, Kennedy spotting the Rainbow belt was reason to question. Secondly I wanted to say that I am extremely impressed with the list's response to Kennedy's post. For the most part those who responded said, "What would it matter if she were gay?" And that gives me a lot of hope for the future of the gay and lesbian community being accepted by the heterosexual community. Because all you who wrote that, in my humble opinion are right. Jewel is beautiful and talented reguardless of her sexuality. I also wanted to say Kennedy, I didn't think you were against Jewel being gay, just surprised at the assumption. Am I correct? Hope every angel is well. Take care. Candra ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #212 ***************************