From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #115 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Wednesday, 3 April 1996 Volume 01 : Number 115 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Taping stuff for Vanessa at Penn state Re: Help finding Save The Linoleum Re: Help finding Save The Linoleum Save The Linoleum Re: Songwriters Jewel Re: Jewel Re: Save The Linoleum Re: Jewel Re: Jewel Re: Jewel Re: Jewel Re: Jewel Wizard of Oz CD & VHS available Re: Jewel Re: Jewel Re: Jewel Dave & Elvis, etc. Oh, Jew Do You Hate Him? d Re: guitar Re: d jewel-digest V1 #113 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Andrew Carlson Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:21:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Taping stuff for Vanessa at Penn state Hey everyone, Vanessa, PLEASE TAPE THE SHOW!!!! THe best equipment is called DAT, and looks just like a walkman with a recorder, but they are very expensive ($700 or so). They work really well giving sound just like a CD. If you don't have access to one of these, you can use anything that records and has a microphone. My friend used a $50 walkman that had a plug in microphone. The sound won't be as good, but hey, you'll have the show. Th key is to stand in the right spot, not too close to the stage, or all you will get is static. IF possible (this never really happens) you can make friends with the soundboard guy and ask if he will plug you in directly. That provides the best bootlegs. ON Tom's comments yesterday about Jewel singing in the male gender, I have to agree. If I guy tried to pull off Race car driver, he would be flamed. She sings her blues song as well as if she were a guy. Later, Mike at Bezerkeley ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 03:21:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Help finding Save The Linoleum At 08:01 02/04/96 EST, Dean wrote: > >OK. I'm about to give up my search. I've been looking for "Save The >Linoleum" and I'm not having any luck. I don't think Atlantic is making >it anymore (as it was a Promo), but thought there might still be some >scattered out there. It would seem I'm wrong. Am I destined to search used >bins until I get lucky? If some kind soul happens to find it out there, maybe >you could buy it and let me pay for it and to have it shipped to me. So I'm >desparate. :) Someone has likely pointed out that the songs are on the Rare Angels tape. But if you want the actual CD, I had a few responses when I posted a request on the Internet CD Wantlist. In fact, I forwarded the extra responses to this list to help some others who were looking. Unfortunately, I have unsubscribed to that list, and the address has also changed since then, so I don't have it. Maybe if someone here has the current details they can post them for you. Otherwise, you'll probably have to go on a netsurfing search mission for it. Dan - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK PLEASE NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS danstark@netcom.ca dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca will be forwarded Windsor, Ontario, Canada danstarkds@aol.com is cancelled - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 03:01:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Help finding Save The Linoleum If you're looking for StL, you can also try an ordering company on the web (They also are in Goldmine). (Southland CD) URL: http://www.ni.net/cdstore.com They have StL and some other promos listed when I checked earlier today. It's expensive, but I'm paying it. Tom email:provent@pls.lib.ca.us love "It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it... life the speakers you blew, but the way that you blew it." music PWEI ----*---- jewel No Fun Intended ------------------------------ From: "White, Rob E." Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 06:59:00 est Subject: Save The Linoleum Brouhaha Compact Disc (which advertises in EVERY issue of Goldmine) DEFINITELY has copies of "Save The Linoleum". Robbie White ------------------------------ From: "Ken Winchenbach" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:42:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Songwriters >--the Beatles were the first big band who also wrote their own songs, and they > spearheaded the movement. Before them, it was relatively unheard of for > an artist to do his own songs (take Elvis, for example. Not that you > really want to, probably.) It's not exactly accurate to say that the Beatles or Dylan or anybody was the first to write their own songs. Elvis got his songs from someone, and most of those people were other performers. Certainly a lot of big pop stars didn't write their own songs, much like many of the big pop stars nowadays. But performers wrote their own songs. Elvis got his from Carl Perkins, who wrote his own songs, and old blues standards, originally performed by artists who wrote their own songs. What about Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis, and many of Elvis's other contemporaries, they wrote their own songs. The Beatles early career was comprised of covers, just like the Rolling Stones. Dylan started as a folk artist, where most performers use other people's songs. A lot of big artists, especially R+B artists nowadays have others write their songs. That Babyface guy writes everyone's songs nowadays. My point is things are pretty much the same post-Beatles as it was pre-Beatles. It's just a matter of selective perspective. ---------K e n---------- <> walden@bluefin.net http://www.bluefin.net/~wink "You must live as you think, or sooner or later you will think as you live." ------------------------------ From: "Brett M. Eskin" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:08:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Jewel Look, let's get real. Jewel is good and all, but the real reason I like is because she is attractive. Her lyrics are good, but I don't think the girl has one ounce of rythm. Her songs are like poems with a guitar, not like songs. But once again, she is hot. - --Brett ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 12:07:05 EST Subject: Re: Jewel On Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:08:19 -0500 (EST) you said: >Look, let's get real. Jewel is good and all, but the real reason I like >is because she is attractive. Her lyrics are good, but I don't think the >girl has one ounce of rythm. Her songs are like poems with a guitar, not >like songs. But once again, she is hot. > >--Brett Come on, you can't possibly believe that. If it was, as you suggest, simply because "she is hot", don't you think we'd have an overabundance of female musical artists? Hell, most people hear artists long before they see them (yes, MTV and the like are an exception). Most people are first introduced to a new musical artist thru the RADIO. Can't exactly tell if someone is hot this way now, can we? People like Jewel because of several reasons. One of the most important is that her voice/lyrics/style, etc. all invoke some kind of emotion. The actual emotion is different for different songs of hers, which just goes to show her range and talent. Of course her looks doesn't hurt when you watch her videos either. :) Had to say it. Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: E Kevin Carlos De Leon Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:25:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Save The Linoleum On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, White, Rob E. wrote: > > Brouhaha Compact Disc (which advertises in EVERY issue of Goldmine) > DEFINITELY has copies of "Save The Linoleum". > > Robbie White I have two questions, what is Goldmine, and what is the number for Brouhaha Compact Disc. Thanks, Kevin ------------------------------ From: DEPTHTANK Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:08:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Jewel Yeah, she's hot, what's your point? I'm hot too, but I don't have a record deal. On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Brett M. Eskin wrote: > Look, let's get real. Jewel is good and all, but the real reason I like > is because she is attractive. Her lyrics are good, but I don't think the > girl has one ounce of rythm. Her songs are like poems with a guitar, not > like songs. But once again, she is hot. > > --Brett > ------------------------------ From: Sabra Richardson Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:32:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Jewel On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Dean wrote a response to Brett: > >Look, let's get real. Jewel is good and all, but the real reason I like > >is because she is attractive... > Of course her looks doesn't hurt when you watch her videos either. :) Had to > say it. As a heterosexual female let me say that Jewel has many ounces of rythm and is certainly one of the better musicians of our day in more ways than appearance. I don't care what she looks like or how glamorous she's made out to be in her videos, it's her mind-set and music that make me listen. sabra (somebody had to say it) - -----------------s a b r a r i c h a r d s o n b e d d e s----------------- ------------------------------ From: The P-Funk Goddess Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:35:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Jewel On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Brett M. Eskin wrote: > Look, let's get real. Jewel is good and all, but the real reason I like > is because she is attractive. Her lyrics are good, but I don't think the > girl has one ounce of rythm. Her songs are like poems with a guitar, not > like songs. But once again, she is hot. > > --Brett > Okay seriously Brett...did you really think that you could get away with posting a such a message on 1) a JEWEL newsgroup 2) a JEWEL newsgroup composed of mainly intellectual human beings 3)a JEWEL newsgroup composed of intellectual human beings both male and FEMALE. What on the goddess's green earth made you think that such a message would not be slammed by the majority of the people here. I pity your lack of thought but let me have the pleasure of being the first one to do the slamming (polite and intellectual slamming I promise) 1) There are many attractive females and many attractive females who can sing well...so why do JEWEL the "honor" *dripping with sarcasm* of being a fan 2) As a female I would be damned pissed to discover that the reason for my success is not my talent but my attractiveness....I believe this chauvanistic attitude is what we've been working against since...oh...the dawn of time 3) Just out of curiousity did you think that by saying you like Jewel because (and mainly/only) because she is attractive was a compliment? I don't deny her attractiveness...Hell she's damn cute...but goodness gracious THE GIRL CAN SING!!!!! and she feels what she is singing Just a hint Brett...like Jewel for whatever reason you want but next time think with your head and not your penis...Thanks! *sydney Why do I get the feeling Racecar Driver is about Brett? ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:37:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Jewel On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Brett M. Eskin wrote: > Look, let's get real. Jewel is good and all, but the real reason I like > is because she is attractive. Her lyrics are good, but I don't think the > girl has one ounce of rythm. Her songs are like poems with a guitar, not > like songs. But once again, she is hot. > > --Brett > Oh, great! Another reason to like her. Actually, I've never really considered her appearance. Haven't seen her in person. As for her songs being "poems with a guitar", um, yeah. Again, much like Dylan's early years. And I didn't like him for his looks, or Carol King, or Joplin, or kd lang, or Lyle Lovitt, you get the picture. But, hey. Nothing wrong your reason for liking her. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu ------------------------------ From: Greg Dunn Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:34:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Jewel "Brett M. Eskin said:" > > Look, let's get real. Jewel is good and all, but the real reason I like > is because she is attractive. Her lyrics are good, but I don't think the > girl has one ounce of rythm. Her songs are like poems with a guitar, not > like songs. But once again, she is hot. Hoo boy, are you gonna get a lot of mail. :) I won't deny that Jewel is a lovely person; but I think her attractiveness is at least partly because of her attitude and facility of expression. No rhythm? Heh. Sure, sometimes she plays with the timing and sticks a "tempo rubato" in a particularly complex phras, but unconventional rhythm does not equal no rhythm. Watch her in a live setting; feel the intense beat that drives most of her songs. That's why I'm a Jewel fan, not because of her undeniable physical attributes. :) - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | Greg@gdunn.indy.navy.mil | knowledge is not wisdom; | | GregDunn@indy.net | wisdom is not truth." | | GregDunn@aol.com | Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ From: reach@fishnet.net (James Reach) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 14:12:13 PST Subject: Wizard of Oz CD & VHS available Although I think the Wizard of Oz Live in Concert performance that Jewel starred as Dorothy was poorly done, several people on the list have asked about obtaining the CD or Video of the show. It was recently shown on some public television stations. The audio CD is $16.00, or the VHS video is $19.98. There is an additional $4.95 postage and handling per item. The items are only available from an ordering service, at 1-800-201-8844. James ------------------------------ From: Piglet Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 17:04:16 +0500 Subject: Re: Jewel i must admit that i was intially attracted to her because of her looks but had i heard her music first and not seen her i would still of bought the album the emotions i feel when listening to her the joy, the sadness how she makes you think its amazing her voice is so beautiful, just makes me dream from her songs you know that she has to be a wonderful person and from what i have heard from people who have met her personally she is don't feel bad because you find her attractive but realize that there is so much more to her not just in name, she is a Jewel Robb and Fuzzy the super-cool purple bear "and I'll show you a game we can play," 3lb Thrill ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Jewel I hope this was a joke. It sure read like one. Or is Brett just desperate for lots of mail? Brett? I hope this doesn't turn into a big brouhaha. On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Brett M. Eskin wrote: > Look, let's get real. Jewel is good and all, but the real reason I like > is because she is attractive. Her lyrics are good, but I don't think the > girl has one ounce of rythm. Her songs are like poems with a guitar, not > like songs. But once again, she is hot. > > --Brett > Tom email:provent@pls.lib.ca.us love "It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it... life the speakers you blew, but the way that you blew it." music PWEI ----*---- jewel No Fun Intended ------------------------------ From: Derek Mok <4dm@qlink.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:13:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Jewel On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Brett M. Eskin wrote: > Look, let's get real. Jewel is good and all, but the real reason I like > is because she is attractive. Her lyrics are good, but I don't think the > girl has one ounce of rythm. Her songs are like poems with a guitar, not > like songs. But once again, she is hot. > > --Brett Uh, not all of us listen to music through our eyes, Brett. Jewel is attractive in that she doesn't seem to meticulously craft her image -- naturalist -- but her music is SO much better than her looks. And the poeticism (except when it gets out of hand on "I'm Sensitive", in my opinion) only adds to the strength of her material. Too many direct, blunt, thoughtless lyrics floating around these days. (check: Alanis Morissette) Tanky. ------------------------------ From: Gregory Donavon Ooley Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:26:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dave & Elvis, etc. I agree with your points, Dave. And I'm so glad that it was you that posted those points to the list, and not me. Gregory ------------------------------ From: reach@fishnet.net (James Reach) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 16:00:21 PST Subject: Oh, Jew Do You Hate Him? "You say he's a Jew does it mean that he's tight You say he's a Jew, do you want to hurt his kids tonight? You say he's a Jew, he'll never wear that funny hat again You say he's a he's a Jew, as though being born were a sin Oh, Jew, oh Jew do you hate him? Cause he's pieces of you" Happy Passover to all my friends on this liston this list. Love, James ------------------------------ From: DiscoChckn@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:58:04 -0500 Subject: d My friends and I got into a strange discussion about Jewel. Maybe some of you could help us decide a not-so-crucial point. Who do you think would win in a fight Jewel or Tori. We have already decided that Melissa E. would kick everybody's butt. ------------------------------ From: Adrian <103265.1732@compuserve.com> Date: 03 Apr 96 19:44:16 EST Subject: Re: guitar >But did you get a picture of the guitar, so we all can see it? I'm seeing Jewel this Friday. (Woohoo!!!) and I'll attempt to get a picture. It's in what used to be a theatre and there'll be 750 people, so hopefully no one will notice some little twit with a camera. I did catch a glimpse of the guitar on TV too (it was a shot of Jewel performing in Homer) and I must say it the guitar was awe-inspiring as far as instruments go. :^) Forrest ------------------------------ From: ChasJKfan@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:15:40 -0500 Subject: Re: d In a message dated 96-04-03 19:13:38 EST, you write: >My friends and I got into a strange discussion about Jewel. Maybe some of you >could help us decide a not-so-crucial point. Who do you think would win in a >fight Jewel or Tori. We have already decided that Melissa E. would kick >everybody's butt. > > I think I'll kick your butt! :) Chas ------------------------------ From: j.mullins1@genie.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 01:55:00 UTC 0000 Subject: jewel-digest V1 #113 DEPTHTANK wrote: > >does anyone think of Elvis when they see and hear Chris > Isaak? > No, because Chris Isaak can actually sing and play guitar well, whereas > Elvis was the most overrated performer in history, although Hootie and > the Suckfish are catching up. Davem I don't know how you can actually say that. While I like Chris' music, he is a pale imitation to Elvis' incredible voice. And I have EVERY album and several hundred boot tapes of Elvis. You probably have not really taken a look at Elvis' work, which is a BIG oversight, IMHO. Now back to your regularly scheduled Jewel, already in progress... Shakey (j.mullins1@genie.geis.com) "This is just a guess, but I must confess It feels better being certain, please excuse my truthfulness" - G. Lightfoot - ------------------------------ From: Truna@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:43:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Jewel a sexist In a message dated 96-04-02 17:40:04 EST, you write: > > >A while back somebody posted about Jewel singing using a male narrator. >It seems to me that she can get away with singing a song like race-car >driver because she is female. I think that if a guy sang that song it >would come across very poorly. Like bad frat rock (No flames from frat >members, as if they could type...oops)(snarf) "Got a set of tires, >excuse me if I'm blunt, I've got ribbed rims for her pleasure up front" >If a guy sang this, he'd be slammed. Don't get me wrong, I think it's >great that she does this, I like the turn-about. It doesn't really >bother me. I just thought it was an interesting idea. >"Here comes the deluge..." >np: Cathy Dennis - Too Many Walls (yes, that one) > > I really don't think that you can call Jewel a sexist. For one thing, I think tyhat it's pretty much done as a joke. I highly doubt that she's trying too insult anyone!!! Alison I'm not uaually like this, I'm just on a caffiene rush oh yeah, sorry for sending this twice!! - ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #113 ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #115 ***************************