From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #113 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, 2 April 1996 Volume 01 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: tidbits and Jewel at Tower Big Tease Re: Bobby D and Jewel Help finding Save The Linoleum Re: chris and jewel Re: Q: Define Jewel's Music re: Juliana Hatfield and Jewel? Jewel Coming to Penn State Re: Imitation hello (no subject) Re: Q: Define Jewel's Music Re: Q: Define Jewel's Music Re: Q: Define Jewel's Music Re: Help finding Save The Linoleum Jewel...a sexist? Re: Jewel...a sexist? Jewel vs. Juliana Songwriters re: Jewel vs. Juliana Re: Jewel a sexist ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Proven Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:44:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: tidbits and Jewel at Tower But did you get a picture of the guitar, so we all can see it? Tom email:provent@pls.lib.ca.us love "It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it... life the speakers you blew, but the way that you blew it." music PWEI ----*---- jewel No Fun Intended ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:56:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Big Tease OK, so I'm walking into Tower to pick up a copy of Goldmine, so that I can order all the Jewel promos. I'm looking through all the magazines to see if any have good bands (Jewel, Khersh, etc) with picture a/o interviews, when what do I see. A small little zine called Feminist Baseball. Right there at the bottom ofthe cover, I see "Jewel v.s. Allanis(sic) Morissette v.s. Heather Nova v.s Adris Hoyos." It's only a buck and I'm in a hurry, so I buy it. Get home and there's nothing...no Jewel, no Heather. Felt like an fool. I should have known better when the cover said "1995-The Year of Hootie", but that tunnel vision will kill ya. So, is Adris Hoyos a real person or one of their friends? In that company, s/he must be good. Since this is cross-posted...I picked up the Heather Nova album (Oyster) from the library and I really like it. Especially, Island and Maybe an Angel. The line "I put my hand where your wings should be" really works for me. I have no idea what to make of it, but the image stays. n.p.:Cowboy Junkies on Leno...just kinda there. Hollow and unmoving. Oh well. Tom email:provent@pls.lib.ca.us love "It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it... life the speakers you blew, but the way that you blew it." music PWEI ----*---- jewel No Fun Intended ------------------------------ From: Steve Melisi Date: 2 Apr 1996 09:09:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Bobby D and Jewel >Anyone know anything about Bob and Jewel's April 15-16 dates in >Toronto? Cost, location??? Well, all I know is that I have a ticket for Dylan and Jewel at Springfield Symphony Hall on April 16th. I dont know about the Toronto factor. - -steve ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 08:01:18 EST Subject: Help finding Save The Linoleum OK. I'm about to give up my search. I've been looking for "Save The Linoleum" and I'm not having any luck. I don't think Atlantic is making it anymore (as it was a Promo), but thought there might still be some scattered out there. It would seem I'm wrong. Am I destined to search used bins until I get lucky? If some kind soul happens to find it out there, maybe you could buy it and let me pay for it and to have it shipped to me. So I'm desparate. :) Thanks, Dean ------------------------------ From: DEPTHTANK Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:50:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: chris and jewel On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Jacob Richard Hirsch wrote: > I think Chris' music would be great for jewel to do > Although they have very different voices she could do it well. > It'd just be different. I think one of the great things about Jewel is how felxible her voice is, and how flexible her style is, so she could probably sing Wicked game exactly like Isaak. > (but wait... If it's not her writing the music doens't that make her a sellout? > I'm being sarcastic for all those who were whipping out the > flamethrowers. If a songwriter who can't sing or play well, sells his/her music to a band that can perform it much better themselves, does that make the songwriter a sellout? Before people like Bob Dylan came around, no performers wrote their own music or lyrics. At the same time, many artists have performed Dylan tunes far better than he could. I mean, his lyrics are great and everything, but he has one of the worst voices I've ever heard. Don't get upset with me about this, but even Alanis Morrisette can sing better than him, and I hold her up as the most annoying voice in pop music. > Pete asked something like: How would you classify jewel's Music > I ask WHY would you classify jewel's music? We classify music so that we can say to our friends, "Hey, have you heard this great singer Jewel?" "No, what kind of music is it?" "Gee, I don't know, she's just jewel." or, "She's this great mix of Folksy, alterna-pop-rock, with a tinge of country thrown in for color." "Oh, that sounds cool, I'll give her a listen. Thanks, my life is complete now that I've found such a diversely talented singer." And then, just for emphasis, you throw in that she can sing blues, opera, and yodel as well. >does anyone think of Elvis when they see and hear Chris > Isaak? No, because Chris Isaak can actually sing and play guitar well, whereas Elvis was the most overrated performer in history, although Hootie and the Suckfish are catching up. I realise I'll probably get some hate mail for saying these things, although I hope there are those of you out there who'll agree with my points. Dave. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I did but see her passing by, yet I'll love her till I die"--some dead german guy. "As you drink your shoelace drink, tie it all together you could, you could be anything if, if you'd only stop, Being who you are, you're holding yourself back."---some living guy named Dave. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David B. Chamberlain 1996. ------------------------------ From: DEPTHTANK Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:58:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Q: Define Jewel's Music Tanky has a point, As a fellow songwriter, I can tell you that I can write an honest song, and a fake song. The difference can only be told by the artist. Just because a song is sung emotionally, doesn't mean that it really happened to the singer. A good example is Pearl Jam, where Vedder tends to sing with great emotion, but the song was written by Gossard, or Ament. The only way to tell if the lyrics are true or not, is to ask the artist. Or, in my case, to BE the artist. Dave. ------------------------------ From: DEPTHTANK Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:10:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: re: Juliana Hatfield and Jewel? I think Cristian Slater should shave off his eyebrows. Especially for the sequel to Interview, who's going to be afraid of a vampire that looks like him? ------------------------------ From: vxs112@psu.edu (Vanessa) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:10:47 -0500 Subject: Jewel Coming to Penn State Hi everyone! Every spring, Penn State puts on a free concert (called "Movin' On") for students outside on the student union lawn. The past few years have been headlined by Belly, Helmet, Arrested Development, Blues Travelers, etc. Well, today they announced this year's line-up .... and wouldn't you know it..... JEWEL is playing!!! The Headliner this year is Buffalo Tom, and Jewel goes on right before him. If anyone wants to come down for the show, i hightly recommend it. Its free, its outdoors, and its a whole lot of fun. The date is April 20th (i think its a Saturday). If anyone wants directions to Penn State or more information, please email me privately. Also, I would love to record it, but i dont know how or what equipment to use. Someone please help!!! =) Vanessa ___________________________________________________________________ vxs112@psu.edu Penn State Nittany Lions #1 ~\\|//~ -(o o)- - --------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o------------------------ ------------------------------ From: DEPTHTANK Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:14:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Imitation On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 SilverKat1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-04-01 10:30:36 EST, you write: > > > Even if imitation did exist, so what? Musical styles are there to be > >admired, and to inspire others. > > I agree... Sarah McLachlan's music inspired me to start singing and playing > guitar in 91, Tori Amos' music inspired me to play the piano in 92, Jewel > playing at the Innerchange influenced me to get something started at local > coffee places here... > > Take care > Kim I agree about the inspiration thing, Sarah McLachlan inspired me to sleep during high school math class, Tori Amos inspired me to sleep during high school english class, and Jewel inspired me to sleep during College American Lit class. Still sleeping, Dave. ------------------------------ From: Piglet Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 14:40:55 +0500 Subject: hello hey, just loged onto the list been a fan since i saw the Melissa Etheridge duets special i have yet to hear Jewel live so am interested in obtaining some bootlegs or copies of her other works, so far only have the one major label CD "Pieces of You" if any one can help me out it would be appreciated and might thicken your wallet don't have any bootlegs of anyone for trade though but am willing to pay for shipping and handeling, send a tape and pay a copying fee anyways as far as i know i am the only Jewel fan in my area, most of my friends like her voice but not her songs ??? always looking for someone to goto shows with that are anywhere between Roanoke, Va and DC keep the music flowing, Robb "I wish that I had the power, to make these feelings stop, I loose all self control, in matters of the heart ," Tracy Chapman ------------------------------ From: Eric & Tracie Brown Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 09:09:40 0000 Subject: (no subject) Absolutely enjoyed Jewel's performance in her hometown of Homer on March 30th. Great show! Certainly a rising star amongst us here in Homer. We're proud of her accomplishments in music. My wife was moved several times during the show - they should have offered tissues at the door! We left the auditorium at Homer High School inspired by her. Can't wait until her next show here. Are there any plans in the near future? ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:49:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Q: Define Jewel's Music > As a fellow songwriter, I can tell you that I can write an honest > song, and a fake song. The difference can only be told by the artist. I hate these dichotomies: honest vs. fake, true or not. Any artist worth her salt can write an honest song about something that hasn't happened to her. Ever wonder why fictional accounts of events are more emotionally true and move you more than a nonfictional account of the same thing will? In the long run it doesn't matter whether or not something happened "in real life" or not--the truth is that people like Adrian exist and Jewel realistically imagined an emotional response to that in her song, even though she doesn't personally know an Adrian. Even if Jewel did know an Adrian he wouldn't be quote the same person she would portray in a song. It's all lies and it's all true and the truth is something in between all this. - --Neile ------------------------------ From: Arthur Joseph Moen Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:19:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Q: Define Jewel's Music hey all, just to add my two cents once again, ever heard of Frank Sinatra??? never wrote a song in his life ill bet, but man, could he interpret... and by the way, just a question, if a song about something that never happened to you moves you emotionally never happened to you, is it a fake emotion??? hardly! the way i see it, Adrian is a song about something that might or might not have happened, but whether it does or not has next to nothing to do with the price of apples in China... if you like it, go with it, if you dont like it, tuff, cuz she sings it anywho... of course my pennies are no better than anyone elses, but i just had to throw in my two cents... Henry On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, DEPTHTANK wrote: > > Tanky has a point, > As a fellow songwriter, I can tell you that I can write an honest > song, and a fake song. The difference can only be told by the artist. > Just because a song is sung emotionally, doesn't mean that it really > happened to the singer. A good example is Pearl Jam, where Vedder tends > to sing with great emotion, but the song was written by Gossard, or > Ament. The only way to tell if the lyrics are true or not, is to ask the > artist. Or, in my case, to BE the artist. > > Dave. > ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:23:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Q: Define Jewel's Music My turn to chime in.... I think the hardest question is "How can you tell who is honest?" There is a difference between truth and honesty. Truth (in songwriting) is something that specifically has happened to the artist. Honesty is the feelings that have happened. The actual events in a song may take poetic license with the facts to emphasize certain ideas or emotions. How can anyone totally encapsulate an experience in a song? It is impossible. Songs only show small parts of a experience. Nothing can substitute for the experience itself. It's an old topic...art vs experience. As an artist I constantly struggle with ways to express more purely the emotions and experiences I deal with in my work. I realize my attempts at purification will always fall short and get very discouraged. When I remember that no physical manifestation can never take the place of the original, and that every moment is different from EVERY other moment, I take some solace and continue, or I put my materials down. Often for months at a time. I think this kind of struggle is at the heart of what consists an artist. The attempt to convey something felt by someone and to create empathy for that person, whether s/he is the artist or not, is the only way to judge an aristic ambition as true or honest. The attempt, not the success of the attempt. At least that's how I continue to create. If I created the perfect art piece (music or whatever), I would stop. It would be perfect...ALL encompassing(time-less, place-less, name-less) from every point of view. Since that goal is very difficult tot reach, we must continue to struggle towrds it. The struggle is the art. IMHO. Did that make sense? Tom email:provent@pls.lib.ca.us love "It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it... life the speakers you blew, but the way that you blew it." music PWEI ----*---- jewel No Fun Intended ------------------------------ From: E Kevin Carlos De Leon Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:23:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Help finding Save The Linoleum I too have been looking for this CD everywhere, I even called Atlantic and they had no idea what I was talking about. I even gave them the promo cd number and nothing came up on their computer. Dean brought up a good idea, does anyone know where to get the CD easier than looking at every used bin. I would be willing to pay for the CD, the shipping, and your trouble. Kevin On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Dean wrote: > > OK. I'm about to give up my search. I've been looking for "Save The > Linoleum" and I'm not having any luck. I don't think Atlantic is making > it anymore (as it was a Promo), but thought there might still be some > scattered out there. It would seem I'm wrong. Am I destined to search used > bins until I get lucky? If some kind soul happens to find it out there, maybe > you could buy it and let me pay for it and to have it shipped to me. So I'm > desparate. :) > > Thanks, > > Dean ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:32:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Jewel...a sexist? A while back somebody posted about Jewel singing using a male narrator. It seems to me that she can get away with singing a song like race-car driver because she is female. I think that if a guy sang that song it would come across very poorly. Like bad frat rock (No flames from frat members, as if they could type...oops)(snarf) "Got a set of tires, excuse me if I'm blunt, I've got ribbed rims for her pleasure up front" If a guy sang this, he'd be slammed. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that she does this, I like the turn-about. It doesn't really bother me. I just thought it was an interesting idea. "Here comes the deluge..." np: Cathy Dennis - Too Many Walls (yes, that one) Tom email:provent@pls.lib.ca.us love "It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it... life the speakers you blew, but the way that you blew it." music PWEI ----*---- jewel No Fun Intended ------------------------------ From: awalker@macalstr.edu (Aaron Walker) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 16:59:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Jewel...a sexist? >A while back somebody posted about Jewel singing using a male narrator. >It seems to me that she can get away with singing a song like race-car >driver because she is female. I think that if a guy sang that song it >would come across very poorly. Like bad frat rock (No flames from frat >members, as if they could type...oops)(snarf) "Got a set of tires, >excuse me if I'm blunt, I've got ribbed rims for her pleasure up front" >If a guy sang this, he'd be slammed. Don't get me wrong, I think it's >great that she does this, I like the turn-about. It doesn't really >bother me. I just thought it was an interesting idea. It'd be sort of like the response that Trent Reznor's song "Big Man with a Gun" has gotten at times. It's meant to show the idiocy of a certain position, but some people can't see that (like Newsweek, etc.) and think he's taking that position. When a woman does it, it's easier to tell she isn't serious. - -Aaron Walker Email address: awalker@macalstr.edu Home Page: http://www.math.macalstr.edu/~awalker/ ------------------------------ From: j.mullins1@genie.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 96 23:10:00 UTC 0000 Subject: Jewel vs. Juliana ska4me@primenet.com (Scott Hamilton) shared something he found: >who does she think she's fooling? have you heard this chick on MTV singing >just like Juliana trying way too hard to be her. Give up Jewel! There's >only one Juliana you sorry poseur!!! And then asked: >yikes! reactions? I say: this person, who obviously has just heard Jewel for the first time when they wrote that post, is obviously talking out of jealousy, and apparently talking out of their ass. I have never heard anything by Juliana (should I?), but I doubt that Jewel is trying to copy her in any way. I would write a note to the person who posted that, but when you agrue with an idiot, nobody can tell who the idiot is... Shakey (j.mullins1@genie.geis.com) "This is just a guess, but I must confess It feels better being certain, please excuse my truthfulness" - G. Lightfoot ------------------------------ From: Lisa Courtney Fox Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:09:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Songwriters Just to drop in on the discussion with a little note (I'm new, BTW)--the Beatles were the first big band who also wrote their own songs, and they spearheaded the movement. Before them, it was relatively unheard of for an artist to do his own songs (take Elvis, for example. Not that you really want to, probably.) Anyway, I heard Jewel sort of by accident, when she opened for Belly, and I actually thought she was the best part of the show. I wanted to see her again when she came to the Catalyst here in Santa Cruz, but a term paper interfered. And, believe it or not, my dad is a huge Jewel fan as well. Lisa ------------------------------ From: "Mark Anthony Miazga" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:37:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: re: Jewel vs. Juliana > I say: this person, who obviously has just heard Jewel for the first > time when they wrote that post, is obviously talking out of jealousy, and > apparently talking out of their ass. I have never heard anything by Juliana > (should I?), but I doubt that Jewel is trying to copy her in any way. I > would write a note to the person who posted that, but when you agrue with an > idiot, nobody can tell who the idiot is... Yup, I'm a member of the Juliana mailing list, and did not follow your idiot advice and ended up getting into a minor argument with the girl who wrote the message. I agree with everything you said, and am answering your rhetorical question about Juliana Hatfield: yes, you may have heard something from her. She's had a few minor hits, like "My sister" (a chorus of "I hate my sister, she's such a bitch") and "Spin the Bottle" (off the "Reality Bites" soundtrack) and "Universal Heartbeat" (last summer). I like her a lot, but I see no connection between her music and Jewel's, so her cd's probably wouldn't be a fool-proof investment like Jewel's would be. She's got a great voice, with some great guitar work, but her sound is quite a bit rawer than Jewel's. Most of it, at least. BTW, Jewel and Juliana will be appearing on the same soundtrack if all my sources are correct, on "The Craft". It should be out in May sometime. Then you'll be able to compare... Mark - -- Mark Miazga Michigan State University miazgama@pilot.msu.edu East Lansing, MI USA Thought for the day: "Tomorrow's coming around the hairpin curve in the road; she's got a run in her stocking and is missing the heel of her shoe..." - Poe ------------------------------ From: Truna@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:43:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Jewel a sexist In a message dated 96-04-02 17:40:04 EST, you write: > > >A while back somebody posted about Jewel singing using a male narrator. >It seems to me that she can get away with singing a song like race-car >driver because she is female. I think that if a guy sang that song it >would come across very poorly. Like bad frat rock (No flames from frat >members, as if they could type...oops)(snarf) "Got a set of tires, >excuse me if I'm blunt, I've got ribbed rims for her pleasure up front" >If a guy sang this, he'd be slammed. Don't get me wrong, I think it's >great that she does this, I like the turn-about. It doesn't really >bother me. I just thought it was an interesting idea. >"Here comes the deluge..." >np: Cathy Dennis - Too Many Walls (yes, that one) > > I really don't think that you can call Jewel a sexist. For one thing, I think tyhat it's pretty much done as a joke. I highly doubt that she's trying too insult anyone!!! Alison I'm not uaually like this, I'm just on a caffiene rush oh yeah, sorry for sending this twice!! ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #113 ***************************