From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #57 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Thursday, 15 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: tour date rumours jewel: jewel on Party of 5? Crowd noise/perfect moments Jewel's concert 14 Feb 1996 Re: jewel- jewel on Party of Here Is The Tape Tree Re: Crowd noise/perfect moments Re: Here Is The Tape Tree Re: jewel: jewel on Party of 5? LA SHOW Valentines day show Re: Jewel's concert 14 Feb 1996 Re: V-day tempe, az Re: just rambeling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:30:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: tour date rumours Oddly enough, the 9:30 Club schedule also shows 7 Mary 3 and Poe for the alleged Jewel date. Seems that maybe the person that sent it to me for verification somehow ended up with a schedule for them. Whatever, Neal ------------------------------ From: James Yu Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:40:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: jewel: jewel on Party of 5? Hey y'all, I don't know if there are any Party of 5 (TV show) fans out there, but I could've sworn that there was a Jewel song playing in the background during one of the scenes...made out a few words--"neighbor, sweater, wearing." :-) Maybe I'm just obsessed. Cheers, James when oh when is Jewel coming to Texas? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Paz y amor" -- Love and Pez If you really cared about me, you would check out my web page http://www.ece.utexas.edu/~jyu/ ------------------------------ From: Steve Ito Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 05:41:46 -0500 Subject: Crowd noise/perfect moments Steve M. said: >I dont go to clubs much these days but I used to go a lot, and when I did I >would notice all the time that people in clubs just dont seem to listen to the >music a whole lot. As we all have seen, it's still the norm. I frankly can I think it's because a lot of people think of music as just a background thing, even if it's live. So the music isn't the only reason they're going. Unlike Neal I have found that the back is ten times worse than the front, and sometimes you just can't blame the people at the back because they can't even see the band. It's easy to think of the music as sort of background music then. The other thing is people go in groups where not everyone is a "serious" (hate to use that word) music listener. Some of the people in the group can genuinely dislike the music being played but go anyway because all their friends are going. I find that I can't go to a lot of concerts with my "regular" day-to-day friends, because to them it's just another excuse to be social and talk through most of the concert, which drives me nuts, but since I'm the only one who feels this way, I don't force the whole group to be quiet. This is especially annoying when I am trying to tape the show, for obvious reasons. I usually end up calling a select group of "music" friends when I want company for a concert, which is ideal, or go alone. Neal observed: >If she eventually moves up to small auditoriums, the crowds there are >usually more respectful. Of course, I'd still rather see her in a singer >friendly club. Amen to that! When she played at the Bathurst St. Theatre in Toronto, which is a small auditorium, there was a definite loss of intimacy, but a huge increase in respect for the singer. You could hear a pin drop anytime Jewel was singing or talking. It's almost eerie listening to her between-song patter with dead quiet in the background (considering there were 400 people packed into the sold-out auditorium). Several of the songs from Rare Angels came from this performance. Incidentally, the recently-released live album by Victoria Williams was recorded at this same venue. (And I *missed* it! Aaargh!) ******************* Jon wrote: >Hello! Jewel used to end all of her performances with a blurb about >"getting perfect moments caught between your teeth..." etc. Jon, you're an old-timer to the list... has the list ever figured that one out? I know it's come up before, more than once. She always seems to mumble it as if she feels stupid saying it, I've never been able to make out what she's saying (except for that part) myself. ****************** James wondered... >ObJewel: When _will_ she next play Toronto (or any other S.Ont city, town >or village!). :-) Sometime before we die, I hope! Being Alaskan-bred, it can't be because it's too cold... uh... scratch that. Even being Canadian-bred, if I was living somewhere sunny now, I'm sure I could wait until Ontario thawed out before visiting. :-) Steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Ito, | "Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who Psychology Dept. | says differently is selling something." University of Toronto | -- The Dread Pirate Roberts Toronto, ON, Can. | ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 06:57:21 -0600 Subject: Jewel's concert 14 Feb 1996 If it wasn't for the fact that Jewel is *wonderful* live, I would be quite upset. The biggest disappointment of the evening was the lateness. The concert was set to go off at 9:00pm. However, due to whatever circumstances, she didn't start until 9:30. This is one of the reasons why my wife and I gave up going to concerts. There is no honor. The other reason - which matters more in a small venue like this concert - is all the damn second hand cigarette smoke. It is *very* sickening, especially if you're alergic to it. Hey, it's not that big of a deal if you're single, or if you don't have wee, little ones, but I have an 8 month old, and we had to pick him up from that babysitter at 10:30, which meant we had to leave at 10:15. I was bordering on being quite upset. Then she came on, and I *momentarily* forgot about it, and almost forgave her - if in fact it was something beyond her control. However, 10:15 rolled around, and she still hadn't yodeled. That's what I was so upset about. I kept going on to my wife about how fantastic of a yodeler she is, and I didn't want to miss it. Well, I missed it, and I'm disappointed. Trust me, although I'm sure others think otherwise, I am not a complainer. Heck, if your or I were late to work, then we would definitely have to answer for it. Anyway, about the concert. She is wonderful. This was - in essence - the first time my wife heard Jewel, and she was impressed (and a little more steamed than I was). Her words were: her voice is so mature, as if she's been taking vocal lessons for years. Yes, she is great. The highlight of my evening was when she asked for reply's, I blurted out "Life's a Big Mystery Show", she asked where I heard it from (Rare Angels, I said) and she then *played it*. Okay, Jewel, I'll just be disappointed now, and not pissed off. I don't remember the whole set list for the time I was there, but I know she did at least three songs that aren't on any of the tapes, nor her CD. Unfortunately, the only one I remember was the one she "wrote this morning", which I call "I Hate Valentine's Day". Great song, and if she just wrote it that morning, then even better since she performed it flawlessly. What a wonderful performer. So "in tune" with the audience, to the point of telling those at the bar "I don't mind if you talk, but if you take it to the bowling alley (which is part of the same building) it would make me much happier." (Or something like that.:-)) All the great words that have been floating around about her are so true. I just wish she would have been on time, especially since I wanted to get her autograph for my 8-month old for his "time box". Ah, the let down's of life... Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, semi-new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "You cannot make anything foolproof, because the fools are so ingenious." - Christian Walters - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: "Lauren Tagliatela" Date: 15 Feb 1996 08:45:04 U Subject: Re: jewel- jewel on Party of >I don't know if there are any Party of 5 (TV show) fans out there, but I >could've sworn that there was a Jewel song playing in the background >during one of the scenes...made out a few words--"neighbor, sweater, >wearing." I was watching that show also and thought the same thing. I wasn't sure because I never heard that song previously. Lauren ------------------------------ From: "Ken Winchenbach" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:54:42 +0000 Subject: Here Is The Tape Tree The branches which have been chosen are listed, and then below them with asteriks are their leaves. If you are a leaf YOU are responsible for finding your name on the list, finding out who your branch is, and contacting them through email. YOUR BRANCH WILL NOT CONTACT YOU! You can then arrange to either send blank tapes and return postage to your branch, or to make a trade with them. Arrangements must be made personally with your own branch. If you have problems contacting your branch, or troubles dealing with them, contact me. In no case should you have to pay for the tapes or send more than two blanks. If you have nothing to trade, then you will be able to send 2 blank tapes and enough money for return postage, and that's it (possibly a stamped envelope). If you believe you signed up for the tree but cannot find your name anywhere, email me. If you are a branch, you do not have to do anything at this point. Wait until your leaves contact you, and then try to make the arrangements quickly. Happy Trading everyone! Branch 1: Dirk Albrecht *Amanda Hensley *Christian Sinclair *David Carta *J.j. Varley *Vickey Jang *Jason Szeto *Jim Douglas *Ken Lee Branch 2: Mark Salamon *Kurt Jensen *Mark Lipawen *Matthew Heinlein *Andrew Neumeyer *Paul Barr *Stefan Grafstein *Carolyn Salvador Branch 3:Matthew Surles *G. Willman *Emily Hess *Heidi Heller *Jessica Skolnik *Lauren Phipps *Matt Nowakowski *Bob Polin Branch 4: Roger Branstetter *Dannii McLin *Gregory Vernon *Jeff Peterson *Justin Lloyd *Steve Krug *Terrill Chalmers *Jason Watts Branch 5: Dave Liebson *Angelica Matttschei *George Pilat *Nik Freeman *Dana Lopez *Julia Adler *Lauren Tagliatela *Matt Dingeldein Branch 6: John Toland *Michael *Steve Melisi *Amanda Tobier *Christopher Moynihan *Alison Dieguez *Paul Kim *Steve Sak Branch 7:Aaron Walker *Brian McElwain *Damon Schmidt *Gerald Cho *John Loudon *Michael Dombrow *Phong Huynh *Hollie White Branch 8: Bob Kollmeyer *Charles M. Meersman *Craig Foster *CRfuntime@aol.com *Heather Ertel *Ju Nguan Tan *Bob Edgar *Sabra Richardson Branch 9: Mike Gonzalez *Autumn Deatherage *Brian Cuthbertson *Eric Montas *HiroUCLA@aol.com *Michael Solomon *Robert Plafta *Elizabeth Mutter Branch 10: Shakey *Bill Goodliff *Cara David *Dick Bell *Stefan Grafstein *Ben Sterling *James Sigman *Mike Dawson *Vanessa Santorelli Branch 11: Kerry Hennigin *Amelia Vlah *Brian Vineyard *Dyani Scheuerman *Greg Dunn *Mark Miazga *Matthew Kortas Branch 12: Katie McCurry *Amanda Hanig *Brendan Pugh *Derek Adair *James Judd *James Yu *Mike Miller *Po Chang Branch Canada: Colin Stuckless *Joanne Matson *Luis Araujo *Adam Segal ---------K e n---------- <> walden@bluefin.net "You must live as you think, or sooner or later you will think as you live." ------------------------------ From: James McGarry Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:23:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Crowd noise/perfect moments On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Steve Ito wrote: > Amen to that! When she played at the Bathurst St. Theatre in Toronto, which > is a small auditorium, there was a definite loss of intimacy, but a huge > increase in respect for the singer. You could hear a pin drop anytime Jewel > was singing or talking. It's almost eerie listening to her between-song I can vouch for this. And it was eerie!! And you could have heard a pin drop, I've never seen a non-classical concert where people were _so_ darn quiet. I was (very late and) up in the balcony on the far left and heard Jewel as clear as the night before when I saw her at the Albion (in Guelph) playing about 3 feet away. I didn't feel that much of a loss of intimacy though. Jewel seemed the same in happy-smiley mode and even slightly embarrassed to have sold out the BST. :-) (That was very sweet.) Come to think of it it did seem much more like a classical concert than a pop/rock/folk (whatever) concert. > ****************** > James wondered... > >ObJewel: When _will_ she next play Toronto (or any other S.Ont city, town > >or village!). :-) > > Sometime before we die, I hope! Being Alaskan-bred, it can't be because > it's too cold... uh... scratch that. Even being Canadian-bred, if I was > living somewhere sunny now, I'm sure I could wait until Ontario thawed out > before visiting. :-) Well it has been especially cold here this year, but, I thought she _liked_ catching a cold with us here in Canada.... ;-) James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: diciccda@saber.udayton.edu Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:55:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Here Is The Tape Tree Hey all! Since I am relatively new here on the mailing list, I am unsure what was being traded on the tape tree. Were you trading concerts? Or copies of Save the Linoleum? Or Phyllis Barnaby? I already have Save the Linoleum, and the Juan Patino remix of "YWMFM", and the Spew+ digizine. I have just sent for "Rare Angels." I desperately need a copy of Phyllis Barnaby. And of course any concert tapes. I am primarily looking for a copy of "Sometimes it Be that Way" and "Cold Song". So could someone let me kmow WHAT is being traded and if it is possible to participate! Thanks for listening! Dave DiCicco diciccda@saber.udayton.edu "This wheels on fire rolling down the road ... notify my next of kin that this wheel shall explode" ---- The Band ------------------------------ From: Matthew Dylan Nowakowski Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:06:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: jewel: jewel on Party of 5? On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, James Yu wrote: > Hey y'all, > > I don't know if there are any Party of 5 (TV show) fans out there, but I > could've sworn that there was a Jewel song playing in the background > during one of the scenes...made out a few words--"neighbor, sweater, > wearing." I was watching the show last week and heard one of her songs, but at this time I cannot remember what it was. I think it might have been You Were Meant for Me. Matt Nowakowski Student Department of Chemical Engineering University of Maryland at College Park ------------------------------ From: PDeSanti@lmumail.lmu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:36:16 -0800 Subject: LA SHOW ------------------------------ From: "A.C. Jetter" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:59:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Valentines day show Let me start off by saying: Great show!! Also, when I asked everyone (in their great knowledge) what I should get her, I ended up buying her a white tulip, and writing out a small, simple card. She absolutely loved it. She sang a song (as someone already mentioned) about how she hated valentines day, and let me tell you, it was excellent!!! If anyone goes to her shows in the near future, request that one. It's short, funny, and an all-around good song. ANYWAY.... I thought that after that song would be a PERFECT time to give her the flower, but i wussed out. She was singing about how she hated v-day because she didn't have a valentine. What a loss. So, I wated until after her set (oh, by the way, her name WAS on the ticket!! :) ) as i was saying.... I wated until after her set to give her the flower. As she walked off, I said, "Will you be my valentine?" I was shaking. She turned VERY red, and said "I'd love to." SHE'D LOVE TO!!!! Then i said how i wanted to give it to her after the v-day song, but I chickened out, but she said that It was good that i didn't, because she would have been too embarrased. Good thing. When she finally stepped off stage, she went out of the room and a few of us followed her. She sat at a table, and was chit-chatting with some people. I wated my turn, and when i got up there, she looked at me and immediately smiled. :) I said "I forgot to tell you, there's a card in with the flower." She told me that she couldn't wait to read it, but she didn't want to read it now. I sat and talked with her for a few minutes, and i thought that i should give some other people a chance to talk to her, so I told her that I should quit bothering her. She said okay, and stood up, gave me a hug and a KISS (on the cheek), and told me thanks for the tulip. She loved it. Thanks to whoever (sorry, i forgot) told me to get her a tulip. It rocked. Well, I'm sorry to ramble on about my little story, but i am still shaking from being so excited. GREAT SHOW!!! A.C. Jetter University of Nebraska at Omaha Computer Science ajetter@s-cwis.unomaha.edu ------------------------------ From: Felix Strates Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:49:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Jewel's concert 14 Feb 1996 I got home just after 2AM from the Jewel/Edwin McCain show here in Omaha. (Not too bad considering the show ended around 1AM and I had about 5 miles to walk. Police cars drove past me 9 times, but none stopped.) Even made it to work by 8:30 this morning. On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Matt Bittner wrote: > The biggest disappointment of the evening was the lateness. The > concert was set to go off at 9:00pm. However, due to whatever > circumstances, she didn't start until 9:30. Yeah, I got there at 8PM, was a rather long wait. > in a small venue like this concert - is all the damn second hand > cigarette smoke. It is *very* sickening, especially if you're > alergic to it. The cigarette smoke wasn't a problem for me, but the people by the bar too noisy, during Jewel at least. > However, 10:15 rolled around, and she still hadn't yodeled. That's > what I was so upset about. I kept going on to my wife about how > fantastic of a yodeler she is, and I didn't want to miss it. I'm not sure what time it was, but she did end with "The Yodelling Song," I was impressed by how fast she could go. > Anyway, about the concert. Some people complained later that she didn't play the one song they'd actually heard on the radio: "Who Will Save Your Souls." IIRC, she played "Pieces of You" first, liberally dosed with talk of such as What if the lead singer from the Cranberries would sing this (complete with demonstration) or Sing this part with Bob Dole over in Iowa. > The highlight of my evening was when she asked for reply's, I blurted > out "Life's a Big Mystery Show", she asked where I heard it from > (Rare Angels, I said) and she then *played it*. Ah, it was you there in the back, eh? I was at a center table, meself. I hadn't ever heard that song before, was quite good. > Unfortunately, the only one I remember was the one she > "wrote this morning", which I call "I Hate Valentine's Day". Great > song, and if she just wrote it that morning, then even better since > she performed it flawlessly. Yeah, that was fun. As for the rest of the show: She did a fast version of "I'm Sensitive." Told a story of Baja, Federalies, and a thousand pounds of weed leading to "You Were Meant For Me." Talked about wanting to watch The Jefferson's introing to "Daddy." Another was called "Race Car Driver." One or two fairly depressing ones. Oh, and one that she said she doesn't do often, "Nicotine Love." And probably others I'm forgetting. About a third of the crowd left after Jewel finished; I really didn't check the time till I thought it was over (though I was wrong and stayed till it really ended). For most of what McCain's group did I liked the sax player best, he started with a big honking (baritone?) sax and also used a tenor and an alto as well as a midi wind controller through the evening. Another chunk of people left after a few songs; but the band was making good use of the speakers and it was what I was in the mood for, so I stayed. One particular song they played was called (I think) "See the Sky." Especially later in the set, McCain told stories of origins of his songs. 'Round midnight the rest of the band left the stage, McCain saying he'd play some acoustic. He ended up playing till a quarter to 1. One called, maybe, "Sign on the Door" and another "Through the Floor," also a cover of Hendrix's "The Wind Cries Mary." I had a rather good time, all told. - - - - - - - - - - Felix Strates I lie here warm, and I lie here dry, flx@creighton.edu And watch the worms slip by, slip by http://bluejay.creighton.edu/~flx/ -- Dorothy Parker - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: "Jon Loudon" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:23:25 +0000 Subject: Re: V-day Hope you all have someone special to share Valentines Day with. And for those that don't (like me :( ), here's a BIG Valentines Day {{{{{{hig}}}}}}} for all the Everyday Angels! Oh...and higs and kusses to you too Greg. ;) -Jon ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo "How's it feel staring blankly at the end of your life? If I pull this trigger will you be happy with the life you've lived? Have you seen all you want to see? Have experienced all you want to experience...all that you CAN? Are you happy? Content? Then if so...give me one good reason why I shouldn't pull this trigger right now...." -? ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Peterson Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:25:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: tempe, az Hi everyone, I have been on this list for about a month now and absolutely love it! I love Jewels music and the information here enlightens the music even more. I just picked up a weekly paper we have here called the "New Times", it is basically a paper that lists what is going on around town. Anyway, in the upcoming concert section it lists Edwin Mccain coming on Sat, March 2. The paper says he will be with the Badlees.. Is his tour with Jewel coming to an end? It would be just my luck :( If anyone knows if Jewel will be tehre also please, please let me know. The club he is playing at is called Gibsons, and is a great place to see bands! (the Rugburns will be there a few times this month so I think I will check them out also) Any information anyone has would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and have a great day! Jeff - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jeffpete __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ jeffpete@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ /------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Kerry A Hennigin Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:01:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: just rambeling - ---2107308796-1996938017-824431018=:21033 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I hope you guys don't get too mad at me. This is totally off the subject, but I could really use some advice. I know I am a little late responding but you will see why. I know exactly how Brendan feels, only my version is even shittier. My classes are shitty, my job is a bore (and I get paid shit.) My music is frustrating the hell out of me because it is not coming. All I want to do with my life is play music and get paid for it. Not even a lot, just enough to live. But I am stuck in school. I love learning, I just despise dictated learning. I want to read my books, and learn about the things I want to know. Not about the fucking ice age in Ohio. But you see my father controls all the money, therefore he controls the car, and the health insurance. I live in a dorm because my Father thinks he's God and that makes him the biggest fucking asshole. So I live in a dorm. But I can't do a lot of the things I need to do to practice my religion, and I am very spiritual. My health is shit not only am I a big bio-chemical mess, but I have been recently diagnosed with another painful disease on top of all of my other fucking diseases/conditions. My friends are all leaving me next year. tranferring or moving. And now, the one person that I could count on, the one person who supported me and loved me unconditionally, and the only person I can really trust, My fiancee, Well he just cheated on me by fucking some married bitch that supposedly seduced him. Now if he was just my boyfriend big deal. He'd be gone and I'd be on to my next lover. If he would have told me he was leaving me then the decision would have been made, but no. He has to call me up, right after it happened, crying hysterically, apologizing, and threatening to kill himself because he feels so shitty. Now I feel like killing myself, but I am terrified of death so don't worry about me. As Christian Slater said In Pump Up The Volume "Now I feel like killing myself. I would, but I am too depressed to do it. He!" That is how I feel, too depressed to even muster up the energy to do something like that. Those mountain sunsets sound really nice. I wish I was there. I think I'll take Brendan's advice, and hope he feel better. Same goes for everyone else too. Too Depressed Kerry P.S. I'm real fucked up as you can see. I don't mean to turn the list into a Dear Judy column or anything. I just needed to talk. Since we are all "Angels" I felt it wouldn't hurt. On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, Brendan Pugh wrote: > > Dear "Angels", > Please excuse this posting, it is very much off subject, in fact it has nothing > to do with Jewel. It has to do with me. I just feel that you people would be a > good sounding board(maybe it has to do with our shared love, I don't really > know) Anyway, unfortunately I've had a big loss of faith. Faith in humankind, > and life in general. My older sister, who just got married 6 monthes ago, is > now moved in with my parents and is filling for divorce. My girlfriend and I > just broke up a few days ago. Not over a big issue or anything, but because we > just had nothing left. Our relationship was emptied. > I don't know what is wrong, but just when my life should be going well, > just when my life is going extremely well(from a professional stand point), > classes are going well, I've got good friends coming to visit me... why is it > that I feel like things aren't going my way, when in fact they are. I don't > know, it could be that I've just got a case of the "mean reds". I just don't > know. I just feel like I could use a good week alone on some deserted mountain > range, watching beautiful sunsets. I don't know if any of you ever get this > way. If you do, and you can't get to that far away mountain range, follow my > advice. Lock the door, unplug the phone, get a bottle of very good, very > expensive red wine, a pack of cigarettes(optional), turn off the lights, and put > on Jewel(or whatever music you have to stir your soul, good celtic music can be > substituded here), and ride through it. > Again, sorry this was off topic, it just helped me to talk to some > anonymous voices. Thanx, keep smiling, chow. > Brendan. > - ---2107308796-1996938017-824431018=:21033-- ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #57 **************************