From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #441 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 08 : Number 441 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] trl photobooth/how didn't she know there was a camera! ["Sandy] [EDA] misheard lyrics [FreckledAngel@aol.com] RE: [EDA] trl photobooth/how didn't she know there was a camera! ["Phil] Re: [EDA] trl photobooth/how didn't she know there was a camera! ["San] Re: [EDA] Evil Boobies ["Elizabeth Nguyen" ] [EDA] TRL Uncensored II ["Chris Stoke" ] [EDA] video link on my site of trl uncensored ["michiel" ] [EDA] Damn! [Mike Connell ] [EDA] removed the photo of jewel and ty ["michiel" ] [EDA] TRL AND THE TITS [=?iso-8859-1?q?**shannon**?= Subject: Re: [EDA] trl photobooth/how didn't she know there was a camera! > This wasnt some private photobooth at a resort somewhere - it was located in > THE VIDEO RECORDING STUDIO AT MTV HEADQUARTERS!!! Helloooooo!!! Either Jewel > is an idiot or they did it on purpose. uhm, just because it's in a video recording studio, doesn't mean you would/should assume there was a VIDEO camera inside a *photo* booth, there are cameras to tape/broadcst TRL in the studio but this is a photobooth, you aren't going to assume because you happen to be in a studio where a show in shot that there is a video camera in there as well... granted it wasn't somewhere exactly "private", but she had no way of knowing that there was a tiny video camera above them watching what they were doing. why the hell would they do it on purpose? in fact, Jewel's record label called them after getting wind of it & asked them to please keep it to themselves, which they agreed to do, but someone leaked the story out to a tabloid or newspaper or something.... ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:04:21 -0400 From: FreckledAngel@aol.com Subject: [EDA] misheard lyrics I've been reading some of the misheard lyrics, and this one is definitely not as funny as some of the others, but I used to think "Last Dance Rodeo" said "All you need is a honeycomb" instead of "All you need is a heart to call home" Amy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:09:41 -0500 From: "Philip Nelson" Subject: RE: [EDA] trl photobooth/how didn't she know there was a camera! Where did you guys see this footage? Later, Philip Nelson Glowco, Inc Vice-President Sales/Marketing PO Box 4510 Monroe, LA 71211 318.537.3243 - Phone 318.345.3339 - Fax http://www.glowco.us - -----Original Message----- From: owner-jewel@smoe.org [mailto:owner-jewel@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:45 PM To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: Re: [EDA] trl photobooth/how didn't she know there was a camera! > This wasnt some private photobooth at a resort somewhere - it was > located in > THE VIDEO RECORDING STUDIO AT MTV HEADQUARTERS!!! Helloooooo!!! > Either Jewel > is an idiot or they did it on purpose. uhm, just because it's in a video recording studio, doesn't mean you would/should assume there was a VIDEO camera inside a *photo* booth, there are cameras to tape/broadcst TRL in the studio but this is a photobooth, you aren't going to assume because you happen to be in a studio where a show in shot that there is a video camera in there as well... granted it wasn't somewhere exactly "private", but she had no way of knowing that there was a tiny video camera above them watching what they were doing. why the hell would they do it on purpose? in fact, Jewel's record label called them after getting wind of it & asked them to please keep it to themselves, which they agreed to do, but someone leaked the story out to a tabloid or newspaper or something.... ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:51:50 -0400 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] trl photobooth/how didn't she know there was a camera! > Where did you guys see this footage? a show they had recently on MTV, called something like "trl uncensored 2" or something like that. I'm sure it will be reshown again. ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:35:14 -0800 From: "Elizabeth Nguyen" Subject: Re: [EDA] Evil Boobies <> I think there's something missing in that argument there. This is just commentary, so no one get mad. But the war pictures are real images of a newsworthy moment or scene. But a picture of a half- naked woman on Maxim is not the same thing. It's not like someone took a person and bloodied them up in order to sell a magazine. THAT, I'm sure would be criticism too. That's like magazines on violence. Violence sells in movies, but I think it's just not as sensitive because women feel like that kind of publicity just encourages men (young men) to treat women as sex objects. Whereas, the violence is just everyone in general. It's just a fine line. Elizabeth P.S. I was kind of speechless when I saw those pictures. It's just kind of something you'd find online somewhere on a porn site - the same place you'd find naked pictures of Jennifer Aniston, or Britney or whatever. It's kind of like voyerism even though it's a public place. Jewel and Ty should have just not done it there if they didn't want people to see. They apparently don't care that much, so oh well. I personally said "eww" when I saw them. I really don't like picturing that scene when I hear Jewel sing something like "Violet Eyes." Still, curiousity got the best of me. I certainly didn't think it'd be THAT revealing! Needless to say, Michiel found a way to ensure lots of traffic on his site. Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:43:11 -0500 From: "Chris Stoke" Subject: [EDA] TRL Uncensored II I got this off of MTV's website. I think I heard that it is at the beginning of the show. TRL Uncensored II date time Thu 10/16 1:00pm Sun 10/19 6:00pm Mon 10/20 3:00pm Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:48:35 +0200 From: "michiel" Subject: [EDA] video link on my site of trl uncensored www.jewelkilcher.nl the jewel and ty mpg video teasing with boobies on my site......the milkman delivers :) michiel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:00:18 +0200 From: "michiel" Subject: [EDA] trl uncensored opinion.. hehe matt, I know jewel rocks!! and this little controversial period will make jewel4s image more great. I know it is shocking for jewelfans like me, but hey it is jewel and ty that do this kind of action suckling and teasing with jewel4s boob in the photoboot. If you look at the photos you can see jewel does it in on purpose, or she is really naive?? what do you think fans! i think jewel did it with ty to shock people. i guess now posing for playboy is not that much trouble anymore....she shows of always a lot of cleavage , so a little revealing photoshoot for maxim or playboy is now problem.. anyone seen the photos of britney spears in the latest esquire without briefs or thong with her high heels??? and has madonna always been that sincere, sometimes a woman wants to play with her image and this time jewel is teasing around.... I give you up for lent hehe! A joke, i always support jewel! And don4t talk crap to me as i just do my informative round of news on this jewel@list. i do my best to entertain you!!! so enjoy my photos on my site and remember sooner or later jewel will be in playboy :) Michiel http://www.jewelkilcher.nl the dutch nr#1 fan site ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:06:43 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: [EDA] Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn! I KNEW we should have unlocked that backstage photobooth at the Bearsville Theatre during JewelStock! Damn! Mike :-( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:15:16 +0200 From: "michiel" Subject: [EDA] removed the photo of jewel and ty it was nice to see traffic of 1200 visitors a day....but i want my site to be normal....i know i might have not needed to post the photo of jewel...but it would already been seen on other sites..so back to my normal tribute site with cool news, images, and songs :) michiel www.jewelkilcher.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:27:03 -0230 From: "Mark Austin" Subject: [EDA] Re: Evil Boobies Well, I kinda have to dissagree here... I'm the first to admit that Jewel is hot. No big deal. Its the fact that it goes from just calling her hot or whatever now and then to all the time. Its the fact that when the focus moves away from the actual point of the artist (the music) to their looks, and then takes it even farther. There's a point you cross where you go from remarking on a woman's looks to just flat-out objectifying them. I'm not going to set any attack. I learned that despite the comments he makes, Michiel is a huge Jewel fan and behind all those remarks, he really does in his own way respect her and has supported her 100% of the time. However, 95% of the others on the list don't see it that way, and I can perfectly understand them. Not many people, especially women in this case, find it okay to see something like "SHE NEEDS TO BE IN PLAYBOY AND SHOW THOSE NIPPLES" (exageration) 4 or 5 times in a row. Thats all I have to say on that matter (I hope. I always say this but end up repeating myself, lol.) Anyways, I'll repeat myself and the words of dozens of others in the past: I think we'd all be much happier if we just ignore something like that. Its been confronted 100 times now, and in this case, 101 isn't going to make the difference. It will only make matters worse and generate more negativity. Peace, Mark _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:08:54 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?**shannon**?= Subject: [EDA] TRL AND THE TITS Yes okay, TITS TITS TITS, chances are that all of us have seen a set - whether it be our own or someone elses - or now - SHOCK HORROR - even Jewel's!!!! But why all the big commotion - yes, she was having some fun with her boyfriend at the TRL set WOOOOO!! OH BUT WAIT!! Why are we all so either shocked or excited? Didn't we all see her tits anyhow at the Grammys all those years ago? OH MY GOD JEWEL NOT A VIRGIN - SHE ACTUALLY LIKES TO HAVE SOME FUN!! Whether she was oblivious to the fact that there would have been cameras in the phone booth or not, is it really any right of ours to judge where or when her and Ty can root or whatever they want to do? So they were feeling frisky - and Ty was feeling the tits. So Michiel was going on about how much he likes Jewel's "boobies" - and coming from him it is slightly freaky - but I'm a straight chick, and I too think she has a nice rack - I completely agree with Lew - a majority of people on this list from the US has made such a big deal out of this - it's not like she was starring in a porno or anything - yet ahahahahahah. So let's all go to Michiel's site and look at the tits once again, call her a tramp, whore or whatever else (if you're stuck for names to call - ask us ozEDAs and we'll no doubt come up with some more names for you) and move on to the next topic that we're all going to complain about - leave the tits be - that way me and my faithful partner in crime and renowned twin can get on with our jobs LMAO. Lew wrote - "Summary - I still respect Jewel. She's got great music and good boobs, and I like both. There ya go." I SECOND THAT MOTION Shan - the golden angel and leftie twin a kiss is never just a kiss - there is a whole universe of meaning contained in a kiss love unexpressed is a crime against the heart - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Search - - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:20:01 -0500 From: "Lew - New World Warehouse" Subject: Re: [EDA] Evil Boobies (at this point, most of it NJC) If you are under some impression that they are righteous by putting bloody photos on the cover and they aren't doing it to "sell" magazines, you are naive. They carefully select anything that goes into a magazine and they know that the violence will get your attention, just like a woman in a swimsuit will get some's attention. This whole sex object argument has been played out so many times it's not even funny. For some reason you can look at a girl and go, "hmm - nice hair..." or "she has a nice voice," and that's ok, but if you look at boobs, you are a pervert. Now, I know what you are going to say, "well boobs are considered sexual." Yet, I know of many people who can be equally if not more turned on by hair or a sexy voice. I find most of the arguments come from women. For some reason no cares if the woman who is actually DOING it cares if she is a "sex object" or not. Some would be fine or even prefer that. If that's the case, then great - that's their right to do that. I hate to tell you women this, but like it or not, men are sexual creatures. We look at boobs. Maybe some don't (there's always gonna be the exception), but the majority like boobs, butts, etc. If I'm wrong, then explain how Maxim and Playboy have done so well ? Anyway, whether you put them up half dressed, undressed or in a parka, we are still gonna try and make out the curves. I didn't "discover" women as sexual creatures as a young boy by looking a magazines - I simply looked around me...hey, there they are !! Still either way, your statement basically says, "Women as sex objects worse than violence for EVERYONE," as stated in the last portion of the first paragraph. It's a matter of personal preference, but just like all the other intolerance that keeps happening in the world and ESPECIALLY the U.S. these days - everyone wants the world to conform to THEIR tastes. There's no tolerance anymore and that's the big problem. You stated yourself that you said "ewww." Okay, but what about all the other people that went "wow, that's cool." Whether it be that they are just total pervs or that they feel it's great that she is expressing her sexuality - that's still her choice. As a guy, I'm just so sick of hearing, "they'll just think of her as a sex object..." Do you really think that if we had absolutely NO women in bikinis, NO women on magazine covers, in film, on TV, etc that men would think LESS sexual thoughts about women ? If you do, then you know nothing about men. I'm sure if we went to the whole Muslim thing with the women covered up, then some would complain they are being repressed. The key is to be TOLERANT of people's taste and if you don't like something, then that's fine - but that doesn't mean it's wrong for anyone else to like it. Causing controversy and complaining about something like that only makes it MORE appealing. I'm willing to be more people have went to check out the picture now that all this complaining by many of the members of this list has been done. Many people probably skipped past the stuff about it or even didn't even notice until now. Simple fact - Men think about sex as a majority. So do women, but in a less visual sense. That's why, men's magazines such as Maxim has lot of pictures of women. Women's magazines such as Cosmo has plenty of ARTICLES about what to do in bed. Should we, as men, be offended that you read on sex ? It's the typical double standard. White people can never complain about racism - even if it is happening and men can complain about anything being too sexual. Point of the matter is - boobs aren't going away and men thinking about them aren't either. Jewel in a photo booth, the cover of a Maxim magazine is not going to change that. I for one would rather die than live in a sanitized, politically correct world full of intolerance. Lew www.coilback.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Nguyen" To: ; "jewel digest submit" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] Evil Boobies > < little risque on the cover of Maxim, now it's not appropriate for > sale at a Wal-Mart.>> > > I think there's something missing in that argument there. This is > just commentary, so no one get mad. But the war pictures are real > images of a newsworthy moment or scene. But a picture of a half- > naked woman on Maxim is not the same thing. It's not like someone > took a person and bloodied them up in order to sell a magazine. > THAT, I'm sure would be criticism too. That's like magazines on > violence. Violence sells in movies, but I think it's just not as > sensitive because women feel like that kind of publicity just > encourages men (young men) to treat women as sex objects. Whereas, > the violence is just everyone in general. It's just a fine line. > > Elizabeth > P.S. I was kind of speechless when I saw those pictures. It's just > kind of something you'd find online somewhere on a porn site - the > same place you'd find naked pictures of Jennifer Aniston, or Britney > or whatever. It's kind of like voyerism even though it's a public > place. Jewel and Ty should have just not done it there if they > didn't want people to see. They apparently don't care that much, so > oh well. I personally said "eww" when I saw them. I really don't > like picturing that scene when I hear Jewel sing something > like "Violet Eyes." Still, curiousity got the best of me. I > certainly didn't think it'd be THAT revealing! Needless to say, > Michiel found a way to ensure lots of traffic on his site. > > Thus conscience does make > cowards of us all; > And thus the native hue of > resolution > Is sicklied o'er with the > pale cast of thought > - > Shakespeare, "Hamlet" ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #441 ***************************