From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #434 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, October 11 2003 Volume 08 : Number 434 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] If you want to know the truth about the Lyon's Den ["Stephen H." ] Re: [EDA] Jewel today ["Sandy" ] Re: [EDA] Jewel today (Ignorance) [] [EDA] Funeral/Lyon's Den [cristian louvier ] [EDA] california tour ["J W" ] Re: [EDA] Jewel today ["Elizabeth Nguyen" ] [EDA] This whole thing ["Lauren Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:22:42 +1000 From: "Stephen H." Subject: [EDA] If you want to know the truth about the Lyon's Den Here's a way of finding out the truth about the Lyon's Den. Here is the name and phone number for The Lyon's Den publicist at NBC: Liza Rindge-Peterson (818) 840-3627 Call them and tell them you're from a local radio station or newspaper in your local area (she won't know the difference anyway) and ask her to comment on the reports. I'm sure they're already getting calls from media outlets about it. The more calls they get, the more likely the producers/Rob Lowe are to release an official statement either saying something polite like "there were creative differences on the set", which means we know the rumours are true... or "everyone got along great, jewel might return later in the series"... It's always best to go to the horse's mouth with these types of things, rather than believing gossip that has come from none other than ted casablanca... the biggest bullshitter from E! that ever lived. Steve. PS - I DARE one of you to make that call. Lol. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:54:22 EDT From: CleaningDuster@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Jewel today i am gonna get really killed for this but here we go: I find it really really odd that Jewel has this pretty good tour all planned out with some good towns and then all of a sudden she cancels that because of a bass players death. I know okay she may have had grief and everything, but how hard is it to get a new bass player!! She obviously all ready did or is going on because she has been doing shows!! Plus the new places that she is playing are absolutely SHIT!! I don't know how many you are from cali or now anything about it but the towns she are playing are not towns where self respecting platnum selling artists go, they are towns wher has beens go!! Turlock is a suburb and there is nothing to do there and hardly anybody lives there?? I do not understand this at all!! She isn't even doing a show in san francisco where there are a ton of venues she can get at a second!! I don't know this is just all really really shady. i used to be really really crazy about jewel, because her music meant soo much to me, but now my opinion of her not as a singer/songwriter, but as a person is really changing and not in a good direction. Please excuse any typos i am kinda writing this like flow of consciousness! Chandini ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:41:40 -0230 From: "Mark Austin" Subject: [EDA] the band thing Hey guys, I'm just wondering if the band was playing with Jewel when she did Stand on Regis and Kelly? I was in Ottawa on a school trip at the time, so I couldn't set my VCR. If so, that would mean what we heard isn't true, since that was weeks after T-Bone's passing... Even then, we need to think: How many people, not matter how harsh they may be, would not even offer condolences or not give the slightest care in the world about the death of someone who was so close? Now we need to think, is Jewel, I'm talking Jewel here, the one who sings I'm Sensitive, and Hands, who sings that she wants to feel complete and make a "Stand," who reportedly almost cried when talking about T-bone and dedicated WWSYS to him, this kind of person? Has the music industry changed her to an extent where she has become this cold? Or was the news blip completely false, or a serious misquote? Or was there a serious mix-up that occured that prevented any message or sympathy that she may of sent from getting to T-bone's family? Guys, we have to think about what is more likely here. We also need to remember that we don't have any facts about why she didn't attend the funeral either. Maybe she did not want his funeral ruined by fans asking for autographs in the middle of it? How horrible whould that be? I can admit that I was pretty disgusted when I first read that news, but after thinking about it, I don't feel as bad anymore because I'm trying to look at it realistically and just *hope* that this info is false. We know that Jewel will be performing at the end of this month at a big awards show. (Radio music awards, Oct. 26 or 27 I think) I highly doubt it will be an acoustic performance so we should expect some form of band there. Hopefully we'll see them there. Oh well. This kinda shows how obsessed we are, doesn't it? I just hope T-bone can get the chance to rest in peace without any scandal around the matter. Its a pretty horrible thing. Peace, Mark _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:37:04 -0400 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel today Okay, wow, before getting "she's not the same person here" it's *always* good to think about other possibilities & check your facts. I'm not going to "kill" you though :) > i am gonna get really killed for this but here we go: I find it really > really odd that Jewel has this pretty good tour all planned out with some good > towns and then all of a sudden she cancels that because of a bass players death. > I know okay she may have had grief and everything, but how hard is it to get a > new bass player!! okay, aside from the fact that the last sentence sounded a little heartless (would you want to just run out & go play shows with your band if one of the members who was also a friend just died?)...just think about this for a second. Sure, she could probably grab a bass player in a week or so, if she did some auditions. Would she want to do them right away after T-Bones death though? no...if anything, that shows that she DOES have feelings, because she cancelled the tour, she didn't try to find a replacement as if he meant nothing, and keep going. Secondly, even if she did get another bass player right away that melded well with the band (and that is important) I'm sure the other guys in the band were not ready to go on tour after his death, I mean, he's only been with Jewel for a couple of years, but he's been playing with them even longer, also the bass player has to not only learn all the songs from 0304, which would take a while, but also songs from This Way, Spirit & Pieces of You.... so yeah, she pretty much had no choice but to cancel the tour when you think about it... > She obviously all ready did or is going on because she has > been doing shows!! see, this is what I meant about checking your facts, yes, she is playing shows, but she is playing them solo acoustic, not with a band, and this includes the little "tour" she is doing. > Plus the new places that she is playing are absolutely > SHIT!! I don't know how many you are from cali ... where self respecting platnum selling > artists go she's playing shows close to home, lets not forget she lives in California... and she usually plays a bunch of small solo acoustic shows there...to me, that isn't a lack of self respect, that ROCKS that an artist as big as her would be willing to play small places that usually do not get to see any big acts there. > I don't know this is just all really really shady. I don't think any of it is shady really, if instead of reacting with your emotions right away, you actually find out the facts & think with your head instead of just your heart (not that it's bad to think with your heart, but a combination of the two is always best) to me, the fact that she cancelled her tour instead of just rushing to find a replacement & postponing it a month or so, shows she probably does care about his death, plus logicistically, she might have been able to do that, it just would not have been "apropriate" considering the circumstances... the solo acoustic shows she already played & is playing are to try & please the fans a bit, since she knows a lot are probably pissed that the tour is cancelled. Plus, the best way for some people to deal with grief is to try & keep going... sorry if I sounded harsh at all, I don't mean to :) ~Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:06:19 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel today (Ignorance) I have been a lurker on EDA for many, many years. It's is unfortunate that 2 of the maybe 5 posts I have made in the last year are in negative tone towards other EDA's, and the ignorant tone and attitude that seems to be common place. It's somewhat tragic as I had always revered EDA's to be above it. As much as I don't want to make this a personal attack against people like Chandini it's going to come off as one, and i apologise for that. That being said, use your head people. It inferiates me that people are saying this. Do you even understand music, are you trying to say that only people in upscale california venues and towns are worthy, Jesus im more proud then ever of Jewel. The fact that anyone one would think that a place of music no matter where it is, is considered for hasbeens and such, clearly indicates lack of understanding and more specifically passion. NONE of us are in any place to make judgements of Jewel on her reaction to TBONES death, NONE OF US. Unless we know everything about TBONES and her relationship. Everything about her points of view of death, and loss. Everything about her emotional state and motivation. We are in no place to judge. If Jewel makes the decision to scale back a tour, more power to her. She is not our slave. She does not work for us. She is not here to impress or dissapoint us. Let her be, her decisions are hers to make. Hell I know i wouldnt want a bunch of people jumping on every decision i made for my self. It's sickening. It seems her fans want to cage her and make her something in thier eye's. From almost 10 years of listening to her my self, I must say that goes against everything she has preached. perhaps we should go back and listen. > > From: CleaningDuster@aol.com > Date: 2003/10/11 Sat AM 01:54:22 EDT > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: [EDA] Jewel today > > i am gonna get really killed for this but here we go: I find it really > really odd that Jewel has this pretty good tour all planned out with some good > towns and then all of a sudden she cancels that because of a bass players death. > I know okay she may have had grief and everything, but how hard is it to get a > new bass player!! She obviously all ready did or is going on because she has > been doing shows!! Plus the new places that she is playing are absolutely > SHIT!! I don't know how many you are from cali or now anything about it but the > towns she are playing are not towns where self respecting platnum selling > artists go, they are towns wher has beens go!! Turlock is a suburb and there is > nothing to do there and hardly anybody lives there?? I do not understand this > at all!! She isn't even doing a show in san francisco where there are a ton of > venues she can get at a second!! > I don't know this is just all really really shady. i used to be really > really crazy about jewel, because her music meant soo much to me, but now my > opinion of her not as a singer/songwriter, but as a person is really changing and > not in a good direction. Please excuse any typos i am kinda writing this like > flow of consciousness! > Chandini > 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: cristian louvier Subject: [EDA] Funeral/Lyon's Den Ok I have to speak my mind on this, I usually just read in lurk-mode. Jewel has shown respect for T-Bone! Wouldn't it be more disrespectful and weird if Jewel went on a full band tour with a new bass player without a second thought?!? And secondly- PEOPLE, we do not KNOW Jewel. As much as we like to think we do. We know lyrics and poems and the public face of Jewel, that is it. So the T-Bone funeral issue should be mute. As for Lyon's Den, do you all remember Toby McGuire talking about Jewel on the set of RWTD? He said she was obnoxious and talked in a baby voice and made silly remarks about being a pop-diva. And that she couldn't act. Maybe she is just hard to deal with in an acting environment, for whatever her reasons. I personally think it is cute and so Jewel-like for her to feel out of her element in that atmosphere. Cristian The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:05:55 -0700 From: "J W" Subject: [EDA] california tour i know people don't wanna hear from me 'cause everyone hates me or whatever.. :P but... i just wanna know why everyone keeps complaining 'cause Jewel decides to do a few more shows in cali than some other places. im from cali, and i can't travel much, so by her doing to a few places, some near me, it's giving me a chance to see her. its not like she's doing FREE shows here any chance she gets! *cough* NEW YORK *cough* so... how bout we all just keep our comments to ourselves! PS - I GET TO SEE JEWEL IN NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!! "eeeeeee" lol. :D - --Jewel Worshiper-- http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/jk_worshipers/main.html (my Jewel website) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jewel is GOD WWJD --- What Would Jewel Do _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:00:59 -0800 From: "Elizabeth Nguyen" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel today I don't think it's shady that she's playing smaller venues at all. This is an acoustic tour. All the acoustic shows she's ever done has been in theaters. It doesn't make sense to play a big amphitheater when it's just her and her guitar. She's just trying to make the concert more intimate. I mean she could do like Tori Amos who played at the Anaheim Pond, but really pushed the stage all the way in the middle and used up only half of the place. Also, I don't think people who don't really KNOW Jewel can say she has changed. We don't personally know if that is true. It may seem like that, but we never know. We don't (most of us anyway) don't have to live with the pressures and norms of a rock start life. All we can do as fans is just wait. We can wait to see if she acted well in The Lyon's Den. We can wait to see what happens to Jewel's band. Elizabeth - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: CleaningDuster@aol.com Sent: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:54:22 EDT To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: [EDA] Jewel today i am gonna get really killed for this but here we go: I find it really really odd that Jewel has this pretty good tour all planned out with some good towns and then all of a sudden she cancels that because of a bass players death. I know okay she may have had grief and everything, but how hard is it to get a new bass player!! She obviously all ready did or is going on because she has been doing shows!! Plus the new places that she is playing are absolutely SHIT!! I don't know how many you are from cali or now anything about it but the towns she are playing are not towns where self respecting platnum selling artists go, they are towns wher has beens go!! Turlock is a suburb and there is nothing to do there and hardly anybody lives there?? I do not understand this at all!! She isn't even doing a show in san francisco where there are a ton of venues she can get at a second!! I don't know this is just all really really shady. i used to be really really crazy about jewel, because her music meant soo much to me, but now my opinion of her not as a singer/songwriter, but as a person is really changing and not in a good direction. Please excuse any typos i am kinda writing this like flow of consciousness! Chandini - ---- End Original Message ---- Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:18:02 +0000 From: "Lauren Bennett" Subject: [EDA] This whole thing Well it is time for me to come out. I think we should stay by Jewel. This whole Lyon's Den thing is retarded. I mean so jewel didn't get in good with the producers oh well. She tried....plus we don't even know all of the details. As for this band thing...I think it is absolutely ridiculous that people are yelling a her for not attending the funeral. Maybe she didn't feel like flying out to Boston on her day off. It doesn't mean that she doesn't care about T Bone. I have a friend who is friends with Trey Grey and he hasn't told me anything about that. I think that Jewel has a right not to attend the funeral. Maybe she didn't want to be hassled out by the funeral. My Grandmother just died and I know how depressing that is. I think that She can pray and deal at her home just as much as she can by going to the funeral. Also she probably didn't want for T bone's family to have to go thorough a very public funeral. I think this is all a bunch of crap. Jewel's band mates have been with her for a long time. I think they would not get divided with this thing. Of course I could be wrong. i think we just need to do what we EDA's do best stand by Jewel. This will all sort out. Worst comes to worst......Jewel doesn't do the Lyon's Den and she gets a new band. ..but at the end of the day she is still Jewel. Lauren _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #434 ***************************