From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #389 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, September 4 2003 Volume 08 : Number 389 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V8 #385 [Jenn ] [EDA] Join PROJECT WARMTH "In Concert" To Beat The Cold This Winter!! [Ed] [EDA] Presales and tickets packages [DavsAngl@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: What did we pay for? [GWJewelGrL@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Jewel is Goddard ["Sandy" ] Re: [EDA] Re: What did we pay for? [NeOblCar@aol.com] [EDA] Jewel in Jane and Marie Claire [Kiwi745@aol.com] [EDA] j [Mike Connell ] [EDA] recent EDA thoughts ["Mark Austin" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:19:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenn Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V8 #385 Dave wrote: And another thing - the people that have already won Stub Hub charity auctions that include a meet and greet.... do they get more time with Jewel because their money went to a charitable cause and in some cases they paid more than $195 per ticket? Or are those people going to just get lumped in with the ones that were able to go buy their backstage experience? The more I think about all this the bigger the distaste I have in my mouth for the whole thing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you able to BUY the velvet rope thing NOW for the tour or is it still in the "offered in the near future" stage?? Because it does say it's available for her fall tour. I still cannot access the site!! So much for my subscription... Angel Niffer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:37:16 EDT From: Edafinfo@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Join PROJECT WARMTH "In Concert" To Beat The Cold This Winter!! *---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---* We need musicians and volunteers to make our fall Project Warmth program a success! *---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---* Imagine living on the streets in the dead of winter. 17 degrees fahrenheit, with just a thin blanket to keep you and your children warm. It's more common than you might think -- the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services claims 600 THOUSAND people in the United States are homeless on any given night. The EveryDay Angels Foundation has established "Project Warmth" to help address the needs of these many people literally left "out in the cold" each winter. The concept is simple: collect coat and blanket donations as the "cost" of admission to a concert, show, sporting event, or party, and distribute them to those in need. On October 25, 2003 -- National Make A Difference Day -- we want to encourage as many venues as we can nationwide to take part in Project Warmth. You book the show or event, and the EDAF will help coordinate the donation process and provide press releases and publicity. Please e-mail us at EDAFinfo@aol.com if: * You are a musician, performer, or athlete and would like to turn your October 25 booking into a Project Warmth Show. * You own a venue and would like to dedicate your October 25 booking to Project Warmth. * You would like to offer your services as a volunteer or coordinator or would like to host a party or event (remember, Halloween is just a few days later; perfect timing for a costume party!). * You are a non-profit organization that takes donations of coats and blankets and gives them directly to the needy. * You would like more information about the EDAF, Project Warmth, or Make A Difference Day. You can also get more information online by visiting our Project Warmth page at www.edaf.org/projectwarmth.htm. And please feel free to forward this e-mail to anyone with a heart! ********************************************************** The EveryDay Angels Foundation is a 501(c)3 non-profit public benefit corporation whose mission it is to promote grassroots volunteerism and community involvement. The EDAF is online at www.EveryDayAngels.org and can be contacted via e-mail at EDAFinfo@aol.com or by writing to The EveryDay Angels Foundation, PO Box 301, East Taunton, MA 02780. ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:28:39 EDT From: DavsAngl@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Presales and tickets packages Presales and tickets packages are separate things as someone mentioned. However, there were presales for certain venues that some of us got tickets for already....THEN the velvet rope packages materialized for those same venues...some us already spent money on tickets where they could have use that money toward the velvet rope package...disorganization doesn't improve the bad taste. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:50:18 -0400 From: GWJewelGrL@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: What did we pay for? Hey Steve, I just wanted to reply to a couple of things you said. Some of the presales that went up actually went up after the public sale went live. Some shows that were promised presales didnt even have them at all (wicomico in MD). I am going to 3 shows. I got tickets both from the presale and without. Without, I still got 2nd row tickets. I think the $195 is atrocious and I'll explain why. First off, ticket prices for her on ticketmaster are no where near comparable to here except for maybe the casino shows (which are always ridiculously priced). On ebay, she is not selling well at all. Anything over $100 is not really going: even first row tickets! And anything behind first row, may sell at the end a little less than 100 or maybe slightly more: and in both cases that is for 2 tickets! They are also doing a $75 ticket package without a meet and greet, that just includes a shirt. I feel that this is extreme exploitation of the loyal fans, who are the ones to jump to pay for it. For instance, a venue like the 930 club. This is a small general admission club that seats about 1,000. There is no way to guarantee rows and there aren't any seats (standing room only). The concert is not sold out. Yet, they are selling these $75 ticket packages for a ticket and a t-shirt. You can get the same thing for probably $15 less. And where the venues have seats and rows, you are just buying a promise that you are in the first 10 rows or first 20 rows depending on what package you bought. This means you could be all the way to the side of the stage, without knowing until you get your tickets. I don't know about you, but if I'm spending that much on tickets, I'd like to know where I'm sitting and I'd like to be towards the center. The main thing that really ticks me off about this whole thing is something that Dave brought up a couple days back. What about the whole charity auction? That was a great thing where front row tickets (and second rows) were auctioned off for charity along with a meet and greet. You can also buy raffle tickets to get the chance as well. All of the money is being donated to charity. Where is the money from the Velvet Rope Tour going? They are charging scalper prices for venues like the 9:30 club without including the meet and greet. Hell, those tickets are going for MUCH less on Ebay. Check it out yourself. And what happens to these people that bid on the tickets for upwards of $400 for a good cause no less! Are they just going to be lumped in with the people that bought the $195 tickets through velvet rope at the meet and greet and at the venue? I am a loyal fan, and have been a part of this list for almost 5 years. I have been to about 10 shows, and have even had my own "special Jewel moment" by going on stage with her. I feel cheapened to actually be solicited to pay $195 to have the same seats that I got on my own (maybe even worse) for a lot less and to have about 5 minutes of saying hello to her, having her autograph a picture, and taking a picture with her. That's not a real moment, that's a forced moment, and I probably can get the same thing for free (and have) by going to an autograph signing that she does somewhere. The picture and the autograph aren't important to me. What was important to me was some actual one on one time even for a couple of minutes to express my appreciation. I think a lot of people on here feel the same way. I know that most people on the list have never had the opportunity to meet her or be up close with her and have always wanted it. I just feel like this isn't the "real" Jewel moment that they are looking for, and I feel that in the end they will be disappointed with what they get. I hope I'm wrong. I hope that people come back telling how they got to sit down with her and have a conversation with her over some herbal tea. I'd love to hear a story like that, and defenitely could see how the cost would be worthwhile in that occassion. But, I don't think that is what this would be like...especially by the nature of how most of her meet and greets have been in the past, and how most meet and greets are in general for big artists. This wasn't meant as an attack to you or to anyone who has supported the Velvet Rope Tour and bought tickets for it. I'm just a bit disappointed by it (as a bunch of us are), and feel like I needed to vent a bit too. It's almost like we are all talking to the wall now. Are any of our voices actually being heard? Does anyone in the new "Jteam" even really care anymore? Because we all know the old one did. If Jewel means what she says about the importance of us to her (which we have heard in books, at shows, in interviews time and time again), then someone should care. But maybe no one does. In which case, they don't know how truly important we are. I am still here and I am still a fan. But like many of you have already said, I am disappointed and even a bit disgusted with the way the tides have turned lately, and I feel like Jewel is alienating herself from her core fan base. If she doesn't care about that, then I hope she'll realize that in the end, it's us she'll need and will be the ones remaining and not the "teeny boppers" who may have been more willing to buy this CD but won't in the future when the trend of what's popular changes. I hope to see something that changes my attitude in the coming months, because with every new change, I just keep feeling worse and worse. Sorry this got so long. As you can see, I've been thinking a lot lately. *the mystic angel* (who is still here)Jordana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:18:48 -0400 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel is Goddard > OK, so I have been in denial. Up to last Sunday I believed that the press was > wrong in calling Jewel a sellout/slut ect. I said they were just shooting at > her for something to write about. That view was changed with a little article > in Parade magazine in last Sundays paper. The question and answer column in > Parade is always truthful. The article said that yup, its all true, "its a > calculated move to win Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera`s young fans." okay, I'm not even saying the magazine is right or wrong, but, this has just been bugging me since I read it. How do you know that it's always truthful? Have you spoken to each & every person it's ever mentioned something about to find out personally if it was the truth? and who was the article questioning, and who was answering? because if it wasn't Jewel answering, than how do you *really* know what her intentions are? anyone can have the opinion that it was a calculated move, but only Jewel (& possibly a handfull of people around her) really know if it was or not. Turning on heal to suddenley run & say "Jewel really is a sell out" based on something you read in a magazine seems pretty damn silly to me. Either make an informed decision yourself about what you believe her intentions were, or take her word for it, but don't just read something & automatically go "oh, the magazine must be right!". > Revealing Jewel is all about? Its a smoke screen to make us > think that she is true blue, she is not. Revealing Jewel was in the works for quite a while before Jewel ever decided to change her image, and Jewel herself was not directly involved with it, though many people who have been close to her were, so I fail to see how it's some conspiracy "smoke screen" released to make us believe that she is 'true blue' when she isn't. The people who told the stories there were telling of their experiences with her, not trying to fabricate an image for us to cover up her changing her style. Maybe it was a calculated move, maybe it wasn't, but your reasoning behind believing it suddenly, and your related conspiracy theory seem rather silly. ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:30:51 EDT From: NeOblCar@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: What did we pay for? In a message dated 9/4/2003 6:11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Fredsteve@pacific.net.au writes: > PS - on the JeweLink board the moderator (Christina) who is involved with > Jewel's management came on and said that they had suffered an unfortunate > incident with their server and had to quickly jump servers which is why the > new website had to go up before it's ready. I think they planned to > transition the website when it was ready... and not have this downtime... > but something went wrong with the server they were on. She seemed to think > that when the actual website goes live we'll really like it. I hope she's > right. I continue to hear this bs all the time and that is all it is bs. (sorry, but this relates to all business websites that shut down for an extended time - the jeweljk/unedited thing just is the example dujour.) You know what it takes to put a server online? A credit card and two hours of time. Our company's website server went down, the hosting company switched over, we restored from back-up and are up and running within hours. When it happened again we flipped to a new hosting company with a couple of days. We're just a small company with no dedicated IT people or real expertise. It is complete bs to tell people it's a computer problem anymore - unless you're such a complete moron that you never backed up the site. This isn't something that takes weeks to solve unless you don't care about solving for weeks. == Rob == ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:33:20 EDT From: Kiwi745@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Jewel in Jane and Marie Claire I've heard a couple of comments about Jewel being in Redbook, and they seem to be along the lines of "it is good, but is it all the stuff we know already". I think that Jewel should do interviews in Jane and Marie Claire. Anyone who reads Jane knows they ask the most off the wall questions. They had Faith Hill on the cover a few issues back and it was hilarious. She didn't want to answer any of the questions and was getting all mad, it was such a bad portrayal of Faith Hill, it made me not like her. I just thought it was funny they would print such a bad interview of their celebrity they had on the cover, you never see that. I'm sure Faith was pissed they didn't show just the cookie cutter interview image that she wanted them to. People who are pretty cool and laid back do well in Jane interviews it seems. Marie Claire interviews of the cover model are usually pretty good. They have the celebrity do something interesting and the interviewer tags along. Like Brittany Murphy spent the day working at one of those "Dress for Success" programs. They sent someone skydiving for the first time, I think they had Claire Danes working at a zoo for a day. It makes the interview interesting, not just question and answer, and you get to see a different side of the person. I guess it's really hard to get a magazine cover, agents fight tooth and nail to get someone on the cover...I'm not sure Jewel would sell many Jane magazines so it probably wouldn't happen. I could see her as more of a Marie Claire audience, especially with the whole Higher Ground for Humanity thing. That's all... Claire ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 21:54:32 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: [EDA] j ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 00:04:14 -0230 From: "Mark Austin" Subject: [EDA] recent EDA thoughts Well, I can't really say that the list is the most uplifting thing lately. I don't know what to think of it all, I really don't. I'm probably jumping the gun, but it looks like Jewel's fan base is crumbling. I don't know much to say, really, just that I'm kind of in disbelief with everything right now. Not at Jewel herself necesarily, but at how fans are being treated and more so how fans are reacting. I still love Jewel. She has always been the source of something that I could turn to, to find peace and shelter in when you're surrounded by stress and problems, and I've always known that she was always true and someone I could always believe in and look up to. Now, I'm not necesarily saying that this has changed. I'm just saying that I'm really afraid that that is going to change, and I don't want it to. We are fans, yes. We will buy all your CDs, all your merchandise, stand up for you. However, this doesn't mean that we can be treated like mindless sheep. I'm not saying that its necesarily Jewel's fault, its just that everything is changing with the new management. This is probably a pointless e-mail, but I'm just writing this e-mail to ask that if there is anyone left out there with any connections at all, to please let Jewel know that we all really really need a sign to let us know that she is still Jewel and cares about us, and not another out of touch and out of reach pop-star. All Jewel fans really need that right now, according to how everyone here has been feeling lately. Peace, Mark _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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