From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #125 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, March 31 2003 Volume 08 : Number 125 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... ["Tom H" ] Re: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... [Mc1Starr2000@aol.com] RE: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... ["Miller, Jeffrey" ] Re: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... ["Jewel Worshiper" ] [EDA] Re: disappointed,not in the song [GAMGRIFF@aol.com] [EDA] EDA views ["charlie zidon" ] Re: [EDA] EDA views [Dave0828@aol.com] [EDA] (comes out of lurking mode) ["Lauren Bennett" ] [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V8 #122 [Stephen Hallowes ] [EDA] intuition thoughts -take 2 [Wesllow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:43:59 +0100 From: "Tom H" Subject: Re: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... > does god have to have special powers or something to be named God? i don't > get it. Jewel is my god and thats all i have to say. The J-Team have noted this and are filing the restraining order right about... ...Now. Phew, close one. As for the song, I can't say I'm into it just yet, but will give it a few more listens before offending the worshipper... sorry, "worshiper". Cheers, Tom NP - Jason Mraz "The Remedy" (more immediately catchy than Intuition, in my opinion :P) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:45:32 EST From: Mc1Starr2000@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... In a message dated 3/31/2003 6:28:38 PM Central Standard Time, jewel20rox@hotmail.com writes: > no, in fact i am not exagerating. people worship buddha and jahova, and > jesus christ. why is it so weird that i worship Jewel? its so not fair > that you're telling me who i can and can't choose to be MY GOD. > > does god have to have special powers or something to be named God? i don't > get it. Jewel is my god and thats all i have to say. > > I agee with this..or..I agree that Jewel is more god-like to me than any of the others mentioned (Buddha, etc). I am amazed by her talent and she is someone I really look up to and respect. I don't think it's a big deal if some of us choose to think of her in that way. Obviously Jewel has earned Diana's respect and mine as well. and everytime I listen to her, I think "wow! Jewel is so amazing!!" Anyone that doesn't agree, then don't. - -Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:51:28 -0800 From: "Miller, Jeffrey" Subject: RE: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom H [mailto:mynameistomh@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 04:44 PM > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... > > > > does god have to have special powers or something to be > named God? i > > don't get it. Jewel is my god and thats all i have to say. > > The J-Team have noted this and are filing the restraining > order right about... Well, its not like s/he stalked Jewel into a deli.. ;D - -j- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:04:36 -0800 From: "Jewel Worshiper" Subject: Re: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... as i remember correctly, you (Tom) called Jason Mraz God. now why can you call HIM god and not Jewel? is it because you jerk off to his pix every night? is that the extra something that gives you the right to call him god? hmm... - -the i hate the EDAs, angel- - --Jewel Worshiper-- http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/jk_worshipers/main.html (my Jewel Page) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jewel is GOD WWJD --- What Would Jewel Do "if you talk, you get shot randomly" ~Jewel >From: "Tom H" >To: >Subject: Re: [EDA] uuuuuuuuuuum...... >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:43:59 +0100 > > > does god have to have special powers or something to be named God? i >don't > > get it. Jewel is my god and thats all i have to say. > >The J-Team have noted this and are filing the restraining order right >about... > >...Now. Phew, close one. > >As for the song, I can't say I'm into it just yet, but will give it a few >more listens before offending the worshipper... sorry, "worshiper". > >Cheers, >Tom > >NP - Jason Mraz "The Remedy" (more immediately catchy than Intuition, in my >opinion :P) _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:07:56 EST From: GAMGRIFF@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: disappointed,not in the song In a message dated 03/31/2003 6:19:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, jewel20rox@hotmail.com writes: << I'm sticking up for Jewel no matter what! >> Now that's what I like, something positive! I like a real Jewel fan. As for the song, I think I like this better than I liked Standing Still when it first came out. Its so different that you have to get use to it........John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 01:17:34 +0000 From: "charlie zidon" Subject: [EDA] EDA views Hey all, I thought you guys just wanted Jewel to not sell out and do what she wants and be lyric driven. This is what I see her as doing with this. Just cause there is more music in it doesn't mean its pop necessarily. PLUS haven't you guys listend to people like Steve tell you the meaning in the song. It isn't a sappy love thing, she is singing about how to NOT sell out. It is an awesome song! I love it all. I just wish the edas would be happy with what she is doing and not just talk about what they would perfer her to be. You are all so SCARED that its pop or something. So what if it IS a bit pop. It sounds like you don't even listen to it cause you heard it was pop so just gave up on it right there. It isn't a meaningless song, you should be satisfied. I'm not upset. I mean I understand all views... It is just that you guys DO know when you are aggrivating people to get mad and yell.. I think you all KNOW when you are crossing the line of stating your opinion and just being an ass whole. Please just don't cross that line. I want peace on this list:) Charlie PS. Right now I would have to say Steve, Mark, Fabio, Karen, Diana, and Michiel (though he gets annoying... no offence, you just post alot;)) are the BEST Jewel fans on this list right now... OH yeah and of course Michelle:) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:30:37 EST From: Dave0828@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] EDA views In a message dated 3/31/2003 8:18:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, czidon@hotmail.com writes: > Charlie > > PS. Right now I would have to say Steve, Mark, Fabio, Karen, Diana, and > Michiel (though he gets annoying... no offence, you just post alot;)) are > the BEST Jewel fans on this list right now... OH yeah and of course > Michelle:) > Thank you for keeping score. But, I personally give my nod to Kelly, Megan, Derek and Rick. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 01:38:43 +0000 From: "Lauren Bennett" Subject: [EDA] (comes out of lurking mode) So I rarely post but I deiced to give my thoughts on Intuition. Personally it is starting to win me over. Today I caught myself walking down the hallway at schooling going la de da da la de da da da da da...I'm just a simple girl....and so on it has taken over me and now I really like it. I'll be honest with y'all I hate pop music but this I like don't ask me why. It might have something to do with Jewel singing it. The lyrics are awesome, the vocals are awesome. My fav part is went she sings you intuition its so cool hehe. Yes it is to a pop beat but I totally agree with Steve about the irony thing. Who knows really and truly what she was trying to say...I mean none of us really know..but I just believe that deep down Jewel still has her roots. I am almost positive that any Jewel concert whether it is to support this album or this way or whatever we will still get the 30, 45 or hour long acoustic stuff. Jewel will most likely always come back to her roots because this is what she is passionate about and what she loves. I applauded her for taking this big leap and experimenting with this album. I mean she had to have been scared in fear of what everyone would think. I think Jewel is so awesome and talented and defiantly a prodegy. I think most of all she is just a musician trying to experiment with things. I know if I was her I would get tired of playing the same stuff over again. Take all of her albums they all represent different times in her life and what she was feeling at that time. Now this album is about her just expressing herself at this moment. I have faith in Jewel...She will come back to her acoustic stuff eventually just give her some time..:) anyways I love Intuition and I can't wait for the album to come out hehe tomorrow's april fools hehe happy pranks, Lauren _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:00:34 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Shannon=20Penberthy?= Subject: [EDA] Its Great!!! this song is amazing - it definitely grows on you. in the last hour i've listened to it half a million times, and to tell you the truth, i was skeptical at first. but like a lot of other people have said, it very catchy and it does stick in your head - i've really warmed to it. i agree with whoever said it sounds like paula abdul - thats not a bad thing though, because i LOVED her back in the late 80s. anyways, although its not right up there at the top of my list of favourite jewel songs, i think its great and i congratulate jewel for having the courage to experiment with new rhythms and beats. the POY and jewelstock jewel will still be there at the concerts, and big blue will still make an appearance without a doubt. like with all of her other albums, jewel has followed her heart and has made something that SHE wanted to do, and i really admire her for that. i love it, and i cant wait for the album to be released down here in OZ. peace, shan - aussie angel ps. jewel worshipper i am SO with you in claiming jewel to be my god. i dont worship any other the other "gods" of this world but i respect that people's belief in them has greatly impacted on their lives - and jewel has done this for me. so i'm with you - i claim jewel to be my god too. http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:08:43 -0330 From: "Mark Austin" Subject: Re: [EDA] negative opinions >just think how she'd feel if you told her to her face that >you >absolutely HATE her new style. She'd be crushed! I agree with angeloflove, and I actually find this a little amusing as well. To quote Jewel herself: "Sometimes people come up in the street to me and say 'you know you're not that great.' And I just say (over-dramatic, sarcastic tone in case you dont get it) 'Oh. I'm crushed.'" Hehe. Lets just see what Jewel is going to do. Its only one song. Peace! Mark _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:43:09 +1000 From: Stephen Hallowes Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V8 #122 Parody is far too strong a word. That's not really what I'm saying. When I said it's not a send-up.. I meant it. This is not Weird Al or Spinal Tap. I'm saying there is a tongue-in-cheek *level* to this song. The fact is I also think the song works well on face value. I don't think it sounds like Britney particularly. I think it has a fun, energetic sound and if the lyrics were different it would probably be a guilty pleasure for me anyway. But the fact is you can't deny that the lyrics do point to every complaint that you had. You say it's a trend, Jewel is criticizing trends/fads in the song. You say she's doing it to get a hit, that concept is also covered by Jewel in the song. To me, it couldn't be more obvious, blunt, or heavy-handed as a matter of fact. And the video will be the same. I mean she's doing a sendup of modern pop videos. What do you need? A hammer to hit you over the head. I don't think she's bastardizing her sound. If I had to guess her thinking I'd say she knew she was doing a dance record, and wanted to do a pop/dance tune once in her life, but decided (as per her comments in JeweLink to make pop music more lyrically driven) to do something clever with it. It doesn't mean she doesn't like the sound of what she's doing, it means she wants people to know she REALIZES what the sound does represent in terms of modern consumerism and the idea of selling out. It's like she's delivering the song with a wink. It's not a direct parody, it's with a wink. You took it as far as trying to figure out what's going on in my head... well, let me respond and then try and figure out what's going on in your head. Sure I'm optimistic cause it's Jewel. I like her and I want the album to be good. But the fact is ... most of the people on this list like her because they like her "solo acoustic" style... they think that alone is what makes her a great artist. I like her for much more intrinsic reasons than that. She has a musical soul, and I connect to that. So that's why I generally like everything she does. It doesn't matter what she sings. I like her for more than just one specific style. I think you don't like the song on face value so you're not willing to look at it any closer. Which is fine. I guess if the song doesn't work on face value then any "level" the lyrics might have is neither here nor there. Music is music, afterall. But I think you should give it another listen... and just try to see where I'm coming from. And again, this will be the poppiest thing on the upcoming album, mark my words. This album will have it's equivalent "Jesus Loves You" and "New Wild West".. just like This Way did. Steve > >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:03:32 -0500 >From: "Sam M" >Subject: Re: [EDA] Intuition > >Steve, you know I like you and that I think you are a really smart guy, but you and I just have a fundamental disagreement about the appropriate interpretation of this song. Sure, I concede that it is lyrically superior to Paula or Britney or whatever other talentless marketing act may make similar-sounding songs, but I think you're off the mark in assuming that a serious artist would parody their whole art and sound in order to parody someone else's art and sound. I mean, honestly, if she's poking fun at them by bastardizing herself, what's left? I think you're just being overly optimistic and forgiving because it's Jewel, which may be valid and even noble, but I personally refuse to do the same. Moreover, you can't read so much into the satire aspect of this one song in light of the overall message about this album which has been that Jewel is consciously moving in this direction, like on purpose. Do we really think Jewel made an entire album of tongue-in-cheek references?! > Hard to make that idea sit well with the ordinarily heavy-handed bluntness and utter lack of guile normally accompanying her music. Anyway, all of this esoteric mumbo-jumbo doesn't change the fundamental fact that I think this tune objectively sounds like garbage (that is to say refuse, not garbage the band). > >Incidentally, your comment on Jewel singing her own harmonies versus backup singers was irritating. Are we going to point out spelling errors in each other's posts now too? Until you've seen credits for the song, please withhold any such speculation. Jewel used backup singers on This Way, and may have done the same here - we don't know. > >Sam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:56:10 -0300 From: "Fabio (wnet)" Subject: Re: [EDA] INTUITION lyrics Thanx Scott! Just wanted to say that these are one of the best lyrics from Jewel. She's definitly improving as a songwriter and I can't wait to hear the rest of the album!! And to think it's still 2 months away... Oh, man, that song "America" must really rock! Fabio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:18:09 EST From: Wesllow@aol.com Subject: [EDA] intuition thoughts -take 2 Ok well since my last post to the list didnt show up in any of the Digest i recieved i guess i was black-listed for content....What was wrong with the content..i have yet to decipher...the dribble that usually infest this list will always remain and I guess we can chalk it up to smoe errors or freak acts of God. to recap my thoughts from last post. The song isnt good...its the opposite. personally i think the chorus is the worst, I still think the new cd will be interesting and im crossing my fingers that "Love is not for lovers anymore" will be on it! I dont think that Jewel was trying to be any more tounge and cheek than she was on "Jesus loves you" So yeah i have listened to the song more that once and i literally cring when she yelps "follow your HHHHeeeaarrt" still its better than alot of the stuff on the radio right now so all we can do is wait and see ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #125 ***************************