From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #121 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, March 31 2003 Volume 08 : Number 121 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] The great new tune gets me really happy [Michiel ] [EDA] Re: intuition [Stephen Hallowes ] [EDA] INTUITION ["Pupecki, Stacy" ] [EDA] The single has the vibe [Michiel ] Re: [EDA] Re: intuition ["charlie zidon" ] [EDA] Intuiton // Standing Still [SullMa84@aol.com] [EDA] Intuition ["Crystal Ackles" ] [EDA] NYC Trip [SullMa84@aol.com] RE: [EDA] Intuition ["Kovacs, Mirinda" ] Re: [EDA] NJC: the Evils of Pop [BeetleBugAngelVW@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:28:51 +0200 From: Michiel Subject: [EDA] The great new tune gets me really happy hello Jewelfans, THis new Jewel song has some unexplainable sounds. It is one of the most coolest songs that Jewel ever produced. She follows her heart, and i am sure it will greatly enter the charts. The song is one of jewel4s most prolific songs so far. It is a big change of what jewel once was doing, writing cool songs but not spectaculair hits. And now suddenly she changes it, and we start to feel crazy. I think Jewel done the best she can with this new song, and it so damn cool that she changed her image. This song reflects who is jewel right now, 29 years old and single again hehe! The point i am saying here, that Jewel changes her music and that is incredible cool! I love the upbeat happy melody song, and i will play it loudly on my computer! Jewel rocks Michiel the dutch jewelfan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:42:35 +0100 From: Marcus Ngo Subject: RE: [EDA] how to record a higher quality version I have already done that! =) But i didn't do it with a MD I recorded directly on my computer with "What U Hear"-function. http://www.student.lu.se/~ihm02mng/jewel-intuition(AOL_First_Listen).zip Just give me some credit. =)=) */Marcus Ngo > ------- Ursprungligt meddelande ------- > > Fren: Stephen Hallowes > Datum: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:55:49 +1000 > >Hey > >Anyone with a minidisc player and AOL - listen up! > >I'm SURE that with a bit of patience, you could record the single off >the computer onto your minidisc, and then transfer it back into the >computer at a higher quality. They seem to have blocked recording it as >a WAVE... somehow.. but they can't control the sound coming out of the >output of your computer into your speakers! So plug into the output of >your computer (the speaker output will do) and into your minidisc input >and record. Then do the opposite. But make sure you record back into >the comp at a high quality level - like 192kbps and 44khz. Anyone who >can do that - email me and I'll post the higher quality version on my >server ... with good bandwidth! > >Steve. > > _____________________________________________________________ Hdr bvrjar internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis internet pe http://www.spray.se Hitta rdtt pe internet med Lycos - http://lycos.spray.se/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: [EDA] Re: intuition mp3 Hey Steve, thanx for posting that! I was looking for it everywhere! http://forums.delphiforums.com/dafanclub http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dafanclub http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jewelfans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 02:54:52 +1000 From: Stephen Hallowes Subject: [EDA] Re: intuition >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:42:14 -0500 >From: "Sam M" >Subject: [EDA] Intuition > >Wow - I almost never post, but I just had to comment on the song. I think it is horrible. Jewel should know better than to try and follow trends - she's way too unique to do it well. Whoever said the song reminds them of the Paula Abdul era was totally right on; she sounds like Shakira doing a bad cover of "Cold Hearted Snake" about 10 years too late (mind you, I don't consider either of those two people worth a damn, so read no compliments into this analogy). I mean, the "...in the right direction..." part with the backup singers - GEEZE! I don't know if this will hit, but I sure hope to God it does; otherwise who knows what she'll do next? > >Sam >- -- > > I know I've posted about a million times recently.... I read the digest and there were like 6 consecutive posts in a row from me... it was kind of embarassing. But anyway... IT WAS ALL RELEVANT, I say!! I just wanted to respond to this. They're not "backup singers"... it's Jewel singing harmonies. I think it sounds good. I like the retro 80's references, but I certainly don't think the whole song sounds like Paula Abdul. I preferred Scott's comparison to Garbage. Is nobody getting the irony contained within this song? You say she's "following trends"... what do you think she's REFERRING to in the first verse when she talks about post modern fads. That's entirely her point - - pop culture is just a series of meaningless trends that wind up invalidating each other. With this song she's putting herself in that context - saying "if you want me, let me know i promise i won't say no"... it's like she's saying "do you want this fad?" That's part of the point of the song. If you think she's just mindlessly following another meaningless trend or fad then you're missing her point. And if you think she's just following another meaningless trend to get a hit, then you're AGAIN missing the point because in the song she talks about "selling your sin" and "cashing in" and says "you will love me, just wait and see"... which is exactly along the lines of why you think she's doing this!!!! She *wants* a hit doens't she? She *wants* people to "love her". It's IN the song.. everything you're saying. Jewel agrees with you. Except she's saying it in a much more interesting and original way than picking up good 'ol "big blue" and writing a heartful folk-ballad about consumerism. Just look beneath the surface for a minute, and you'll see what I'm saying. Seriously. I'm not saying the whole song is like a send-up.. cause send-up's are very one-dimensional. Weird Al is a sendup... that's not this song. I'm saying this song works on many levels. Jewel said herself she wanted to create a more lyrical dimension to pop music. She's taken a pop formula, and added a layer of lyrical depth within that formula, but the clever part is that the lyrical depth speaks to both the song's poppiness (in terms of pop culture in general) and *also* to all the assumptions people are going to make about how this song is Jewel selling out. And even more clever is the fact that that self-reference as a concept is extremely post-modern in itself... so therein lies another layer. Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:55:42 -0500 From: "Pupecki, Stacy" Subject: [EDA] INTUITION maybe it's just an april fools joke! just kidding, remember i did say i liked it. i just wonder how it would sound without the accordian? Stacy p. "ct angel needs a ride" (\o/) /_\ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:56:37 +0200 From: Michiel Subject: [EDA] The single has the vibe Hello Jewelfans, The new single has the buzz that i hoped for to arrise for Jewel. I think this new song will help her with a new fanbase, and the old fanbase will be amazed by this new Jewelsong. It is catchy, uptempo, it has all the blues that i hope to hear at a song. Jewel sings beautiful, i think the lyrics are excellent, and the whole chemistry can be really heard because of the song. Jewel rocks, and this song is going to get in my head, and i do love it !!!!!!! Yeah Jewel, your musical inspirations are still great and wonderful!!!!!!! I love Jewel4s music!!!! Yeah !!!!!!!! bye Michiel the dutch jewelfan http://www.jewelkilcher.nl a dutch tribute site for jewel http://www.jewelkilcher.nl/intuition.mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:11:48 +0000 From: "charlie zidon" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: intuition Hey all! I will admit that I didn't catch this at first and I still loved the song. Now that I took a second look into it and saw the "dark side" It is SOOOO MUCH BETTTER! NOW NOT ONLY DO I LOVE IT BUT I THINK IT IS THE MOST AWESOME THING JEWEL COULDA DONE!!!!!!!!!! I love the meaning behind this... Steve hit it home in his million posts :) It is WONDERFUL! She is not selling out, but yet the opposite! She is using her AMAZING talent to tell NOT to sell out but instead to follow your intuition. AWESOME. I'm speachless. This cd is going to be soooooo LYRICALLY AWESOME! I can't even imagine what else she has up her sleeves:) charlie From: Stephen Hallowes To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: [EDA] Re: intuition Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 02:54:52 +1000 >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:42:14 -0500 >From: "Sam M" >Subject: [EDA] Intuition > >Wow - I almost never post, but I just had to comment on the song. I think >it is horrible. Jewel should know better than to try and follow trends - >she's way too unique to do it well. Whoever said the song reminds them of >the Paula Abdul era was totally right on; she sounds like Shakira doing a >bad cover of "Cold Hearted Snake" about 10 years too late (mind you, I >don't consider either of those two people worth a damn, so read no >compliments into this analogy). I mean, the "...in the right direction..." >part with the backup singers - GEEZE! I don't know if this will hit, but I >sure hope to God it does; otherwise who knows what she'll do next? > >Sam >- -- > I know I've posted about a million times recently.... I read the digest and there were like 6 consecutive posts in a row from me... it was kind of embarassing. But anyway... IT WAS ALL RELEVANT, I say!! I just wanted to respond to this. They're not "backup singers"... it's Jewel singing harmonies. I think it sounds good. I like the retro 80's references, but I certainly don't think the whole song sounds like Paula Abdul. I preferred Scott's comparison to Garbage. Is nobody getting the irony contained within this song? You say she's "following trends"... what do you think she's REFERRING to in the first verse when she talks about post modern fads. That's entirely her point - pop culture is just a series of meaningless trends that wind up invalidating each other. With this song she's putting herself in that context - saying "if you want me, let me know i promise i won't say no"... it's like she's saying "do you want this fad?" That's part of the point of the song. If you think she's just mindlessly following another meaningless trend or fad then you're missing her point. And if you think she's just following another meaningless trend to get a hit, then you're AGAIN missing the point because in the song she talks about "selling your sin" and "cashing in" and says "you will love me, just wait and see"... which is exactly along the lines of why you think she's doing this!!!! She *wants* a hit doens't she? She *wants* people to "love her". It's IN the song.. everything you're saying. Jewel agrees with you. Except she's saying it in a much more interesting and original way than picking up good 'ol "big blue" and writing a heartful folk-ballad about consumerism. Just look beneath the surface for a minute, and you'll see what I'm saying. Seriously. I'm not saying the whole song is like a send-up.. cause send-up's are very one-dimensional. Weird Al is a sendup... that's not this song. I'm saying this song works on many levels. Jewel said herself she wanted to create a more lyrical dimension to pop music. She's taken a pop formula, and added a layer of lyrical depth within that formula, but the clever part is that the lyrical depth speaks to both the song's poppiness (in terms of pop culture in general) and *also* to all the assumptions people are going to make about how this song is Jewel selling out. And even more clever is the fact that that self-reference as a concept is extremely post-modern in itself... so therein lies another layer. Steve. _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:47:50 EST From: SullMa84@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Intuiton // Standing Still Well I didn't like Intuition at first, but now that I've been listening to it, I'm starting to like it. And I was trying so hard not to like it but now I do! It's weird! It happened with Standing Still too. When it first leaked out I was like, whatever, its not that great, but when you buy the CD and its blasting in your car its incredible! So give it a chance! + + + + + + + Jewel's new album in stores June 3rd!!! + AOL Users hear Jewel's new single on First Listen now! + What I'm listening to: "Fighter" By Christina Aguilera "Can I Walk With You" By India.Arie "Ignition (Remix) By R. Kelly + + + + + + ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:00:23 -0800 From: "Crystal Ackles" Subject: [EDA] Intuition Umm. Wow. Definitely not what I'm used to hearing from Jewel. It is very pop, has a catchy tune, and will probably make people stop and ask if that's really Jewel, cause it is very very very different from what she's ever done before. You can hear her voice, but its surrounded by so many other sounds. I really don't know what I think of it quite yet. I think it will become what Standing Still became of This Way. The song I avoided on the disc just because it didn't sound like her to me, and the radios were playing it out. And still are as a matter of fact. I think it will do well, other than POY, she's made a habit of selling her first single well, and the others don't get noticed. I'm pretty sure this will happen again, especially with the sound of Intuition. But as someone else said, it is the first single, and the first single is usually the most radio friendly and most pop than the other on the record. But honestly, if this is the most pop, and the other songs are similar to this, I think I'll be quite disappointed. Crystal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:08:39 EST From: SullMa84@aol.com Subject: [EDA] NYC Trip I'm heavily debating whether or not I'm going to take the trip out there May 8-11 for the Central Park concert. I've never been to NYC and I was wondering a few things. First of all, If I drive there where the hell would I park? I heard that parking is like $20 an hour in New York. I plan on renting a cabin at a KOA campground that is about an hour from NYC in Pennslyvania for $50 a night. That way I wouldn't have to pay for a hotel room in NYC and just drive the hour back to it every night. However if things work out, I will probably fly out there. Is it pretty easy to get around? + + + + + + + Jewel's new album in stores June 3rd!!! + AOL Users hear Jewel's new single on First Listen starting Monday! + What I'm listening to: "Fighter" By Christina Aguilera "Can I Walk With You" By India.Arie "Ignition (Remix) By R. Kelly + + + + + + ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:18:37 -0600 From: "Kovacs, Mirinda" Subject: RE: [EDA] Intuition I must say that I agree 100% with this post! If this is the tone of the whole CD I don't think I will even waste my money on it. There is not one part of this song that I can say I enjoy. I am very disappointed. It sounds like Jewel singing a Brittney song. I hate it! :( Mi Rinda - -----Original Message----- From: Pixi42@aol.com [mailto:Pixi42@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:37 PM To: Jewel@smoe.org Subject: [EDA] *****SPAM***** ohmygod:( wow.... I just listened to Intuition about 10 times trying to find a Piece of Jewel in the song. I am in shock right now. I was excited to hear the full song after hearing the clip. I Love jewel but guys this is bad. I know she is experimenting and if you like this kind of music then i guess you will dig the song and you wont be too upset about it but i guess im just not into that scene and the fact that jewel is melting into it is so disappointing. its not just so so. it is complete crap and i dont think i would like it even if it was sung by someone that i expect this kind of "music" from. i wish i could describe it better for those of you who are unable to listen to it but you will hear it soon enough on the radio maybe.... Peace... Heidi :( when the rain came you asked me how it felt i told you to stand outside yourself for a while but, silly me you had an umbrella ~Nancy Micciulla~ }:}i{:{ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:36:47 -0500 From: BeetleBugAngelVW@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: the Evils of Pop Yes, I'll admit it...I, too, am an in-the-closet pop fan...I have entire burned CDs of Christina and Brittney and Avril that I listen to when I'm alone...I hereby motion to start a support group for JFWALP (Jewel Fans Who Also Like Pop). Membership is free and anonymous if requested. LoL Gina ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #121 ***************************