From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #108 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, March 26 2003 Volume 08 : Number 108 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Re:RE: MISREPRESENTATIONS [JewelBlues@aol.com] [EDA] Last Message on Topic ["Becki Giles" ] Re: [EDA] Re:RE: MISREPRESENTATIONS ["charlie zidon" ] [EDA] Becki ["Karen Boysen" ] [EDA] Re: KAREN DEFENDING ME [JewelBlues@aol.com] [EDA] personal attacks ["eliot lemoncelli" ] [EDA] international opinion ["eliot lemoncelli" Subject: [EDA] OH MY... A Letter by none other than JEWELBLUES: "I am discerning in my tastes and therefore I dont really care if I miss out on all the FUN of upbeat happy songs by TATU and BRITNEY and CHRISTINA and the rest of the Pop Pablum no matter how they are expressing themselves. It bores me. The words dont mean anything important-TO ME. My POINT is I used to put JEWEL in the category of "Musical/artistic/prodigy/possible genius" between 1994 and 1998. I havent seen much of that since." Time for me to comment... I am sorry I just HAD to! Eh Umm... Here goes. FIRST OF ALL, you said so RIGHT THERE that you don't like jewel now cause she "BORES YOU." Oh k. SHe is a "sell out" because she makes music that "Bores YOu" I understand what a sellout is NOW!!! THanks for explaining that further. ETC ETC 1)I refuse to respond to CHARLIE personally. My email was sent to the entire EDA list --it was not a PERSONAL email to "Charlie" but for some egotistical reason he thought the entire Post was about HIM. It was not. He misses my entire point. Maybe some of you SEE my point. I have very high regard for Jewel as a songwriter. She is capable of many things. I never said she "Bores Me' but actuallySometimes she actuallyBores me- maybe ONCE , maybe TWICE, in 8 years.-but SO WHAT. I believe I can hope she uses her full intellect lyrically in the future as she has in the past and not lean toward the more mainstream generic lyrics of simple love songs like "This Way" or commercial songs with generic lyrics "Standing Still", but opts for the more personal lyrics about specifics and individuals such as "Emily" or her entire first CD (POY) . I DO admire jewel, you , (CHARLIE)just dont want to understand that because you thing I am not "behind" whatever she does. I cant and dont want to change that opinion. I am not against her. I wouldnt write all these posts if I "hated her" or wanted to make fun of her. I am hoping for a Great CD. But you just keep o nthinking I want to "put her down" by stating what I feel. ANY artist compared to the greatest songwriter of the 20th Century(DYLAN) (AS decided-not by me--- but the staff of ROLLING STONE, seveal Top Universities, and several other historic socitities) is someone I have great expectations for. its a shame you only thin k I see negatives . AND: RE: Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:20:33 -0500 From: "Becki Giles" Subject: [EDA] Jewelblues To clarify something written by Jewelblues and quoted in Charlie's email, I'd like to say he did more than say "Why the hell are you on the list?" In a personal e-mail to me, he said "F*** You." That was the extent of that email. In addition, I happen to like a song by someone often criticized on this list for being a generic pop icon. Listen to Britney Spears' "I'm Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman." The lyrics are incredibly introspective, especially considering much of her other stuff. And she probably didn't even write it, but watching her perform that on MTV, well, it was powerful. I know everyone has their own opinions of EVERYTHING, which I think is great. This wouldn't be America without free speech, is this is one of the intended purposes. I value and respect each of your opinions and beliefs until proven unworthy of such respect. That being said, great debate going.but I hate that a certain someone has ruined the good-natured debate with insults, profanity, and overall rudeness. Sincerely, Becki----------------------------- BECKI---who was it who invaded my personal privacy Out of nowhere-as I have no correspondence with you at any time-ever--- by sending me an annoying email off line writing "GET A LIFE". Did you expect ROSES as a response HAHAHAH . Immature little girl whining o n the list that she got insulted and send a dirty word after she invades my prviate email with some snotty little GET A LIFE comment. Go watch RUGRATS or something for your maturity. At least CHARLIE is trying to make some point I do not agree with---you add nothing constructive except to show immaturity. Even though I dont agree weith Charlie I respect him more than you. Just for the 3 words you wrote me. Some EDA you are. JEWELBLUES@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:01:30 -0500 From: "Becki Giles" Subject: [EDA] Last Message on Topic If anyone wishes to insult me, don't. If anyone wants to email me, be nice. If you choose to write in regards to me, keep it clean and respectful. If you can't, grow up. This is the last message I'll post on this matter, and I hope it will be the last of everyone else's too. This has nothing to do with Jewel, and I will accept respectful emails only. Thanks, Becki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:04:05 +0000 From: "charlie zidon" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re:RE: MISREPRESENTATIONS To Jewelblues, I was not being egotistical and thinking the letter was towards me. Nothing IN that letter even suggested I thought so. I did not missinterpret you in anyways either. BY THE WAY, is becki NOT just getting mad at you for the same reason you got mad at me!? FOr a personal email that was rude? If you don't belive in doing that, why would YOU do it in return, and in turn call HER childish. You did the same thing did you not? PLUS she did it with less harsh language than you, using the mother of all swear words. And you IMPLYING that she be young and watching Rugrats also was going against what you said about making judgements.. You are the reason for all this. YOU made it out of hand. YOU are childish... Charlie From: JewelBlues@aol.com To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: [EDA] Re:RE: MISREPRESENTATIONS Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:52:42 EST RE: THIS POST TO MY LAST POST (ABRIDGED TO SPARE YOU ALL) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 01:36:55 +0000 From: "charlie zidon" Subject: [EDA] OH MY... A Letter by none other than JEWELBLUES: "I am discerning in my tastes and therefore I dont really care if I miss out on all the FUN of upbeat happy songs by TATU and BRITNEY and CHRISTINA and the rest of the Pop Pablum no matter how they are expressing themselves. It bores me. The words dont mean anything important-TO ME. My POINT is I used to put JEWEL in the category of "Musical/artistic/prodigy/possible genius" between 1994 and 1998. I havent seen much of that since." Time for me to comment... I am sorry I just HAD to! Eh Umm... Here goes. FIRST OF ALL, you said so RIGHT THERE that you don't like jewel now cause she "BORES YOU." Oh k. SHe is a "sell out" because she makes music that "Bores YOu" I understand what a sellout is NOW!!! THanks for explaining that further. ETC ETC 1)I refuse to respond to CHARLIE personally. My email was sent to the entire EDA list --it was not a PERSONAL email to "Charlie" but for some egotistical reason he thought the entire Post was about HIM. It was not. He misses my entire point. Maybe some of you SEE my point. I have very high regard for Jewel as a songwriter. She is capable of many things. I never said she "Bores Me' but actuallySometimes she actuallyBores me- maybe ONCE , maybe TWICE, in 8 years.-but SO WHAT. I believe I can hope she uses her full intellect lyrically in the future as she has in the past and not lean toward the more mainstream generic lyrics of simple love songs like "This Way" or commercial songs with generic lyrics "Standing Still", but opts for the more personal lyrics about specifics and individuals such as "Emily" or her entire first CD (POY) . I DO admire jewel, you , (CHARLIE)just dont want to understand that because you thing I am not "behind" whatever she does. I cant and dont want to change that opinion. I am not against her. I wouldnt write all these posts if I "hated her" or wanted to make fun of her. I am hoping for a Great CD. But you just keep o nthinking I want to "put her down" by stating what I feel. ANY artist compared to the greatest songwriter of the 20th Century(DYLAN) (AS decided-not by me--- but the staff of ROLLING STONE, seveal Top Universities, and several other historic socitities) is someone I have great expectations for. its a shame you only thin k I see negatives . AND: RE: Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:20:33 -0500 From: "Becki Giles" Subject: [EDA] Jewelblues To clarify something written by Jewelblues and quoted in Charlie's email, I'd like to say he did more than say "Why the hell are you on the list?" In a personal e-mail to me, he said "F*** You." That was the extent of that email. In addition, I happen to like a song by someone often criticized on this list for being a generic pop icon. Listen to Britney Spears' "I'm Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman." The lyrics are incredibly introspective, especially considering much of her other stuff. And she probably didn't even write it, but watching her perform that on MTV, well, it was powerful. I know everyone has their own opinions of EVERYTHING, which I think is great. This wouldn't be America without free speech, is this is one of the intended purposes. I value and respect each of your opinions and beliefs until proven unworthy of such respect. That being said, great debate going.but I hate that a certain someone has ruined the good-natured debate with insults, profanity, and overall rudeness. Sincerely, Becki----------------------------- BECKI---who was it who invaded my personal privacy Out of nowhere-as I have no correspondence with you at any time-ever--- by sending me an annoying email off line writing "GET A LIFE". Did you expect ROSES as a response HAHAHAH . Immature little girl whining o n the list that she got insulted and send a dirty word after she invades my prviate email with some snotty little GET A LIFE comment. Go watch RUGRATS or something for your maturity. At least CHARLIE is trying to make some point I do not agree with---you add nothing constructive except to show immaturity. Even though I dont agree weith Charlie I respect him more than you. Just for the 3 words you wrote me. Some EDA you are. JEWELBLUES@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:14:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Karen Boysen" Subject: [EDA] Becki Becki- As you can see Charlie is my friend, and yes I did think you were referring to him, although I couldn't hardly believe he would send an email like that. However, I did and will always stick up for someone I believe was right, especially if they are my friend. I appreciate your expression of wanting peace on here. I"m not trying to start some big feud, was just trying to help him out. I still think you might have been a little harsh and vicious with your posts but I'm just gonna write that off. I really have no real beef with you, just try not to make a "pot calling the kettle black" situation. In otherwords, don't jump down my throat for one off color post when you're posting multiples rapidly of the same manor. And girl...break away from the computer once in awhile, you're way too fast at responding to this stuff! Karen We Are Everyday Angels - Jewel Kilcher The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:15:56 EST From: JewelBlues@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: KAREN DEFENDING ME In a message dated 3/25/03 11:53:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org writes: RE: KAREN DEFENDING ME :) From: "Karen Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: [EDA] Running interference > To this Becki person who seems to have popped up out of nowhere and seems to only be offended by some email she supposedly received in her inbox that assaulted her obviously delicate senses I only have one thing to say to you...butt out! The debate going on is not even about whatever you're going on about so just leave it alone and stay out of it. You my dear, are the immature one in this case. > Well-thank you Karen for at least seeing I didnt need to be attacked by BECKI--out of the blue--especially being sent snide silly OFF LINE email by her -and then she goes to whine I used a bad word response to her ..JEWELBLUES@aol.com.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:18:58 +0000 From: "eliot lemoncelli" Subject: [EDA] personal attacks Dearest EDAs This is getting really old. Its really childish and if you havent noticed the world is at war. Arent our priorities a litte off base? Centralfloridaangel _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:21:54 +0000 From: "eliot lemoncelli" Subject: [EDA] international opinion Hey EDAs, I know there are a few of us outside the USA, probably quite a few more then I know about. I was wondering how the US/Iraq war was percieved outside the US... even here the media seems divided. Centralfloridaangel _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:29:09 +0000 From: "charlie zidon" Subject: [EDA] My formal appology... Please READ. Dear EDA's, This is my try at a formal appology. I don't want you to consider me childish. I know I have ruined that over this past day, but I would like for you to give me a chance. I did not mean to be childish with the fighting. I was upset that some people couldn't say ONE posative thing about Jewel, but I'm not going to get into that again. I love Jewel for who she is. I don't expect her to change for me or anyone, and she doesn't. I don't expect you all to LOVE everything she does. I know you can make negative comments as I have too, belive it or not (hehe). What I am trying to say is I am sorry for these fights. I am not proud of what I have said. I was aggrivated and just had to try to end it. I am not a bad person really. I tried to be rash by solving it "off list" not knowing that was a COMPLETE NO NO! I am really truely sorry and I hope you all can find it to forgive me for it all. Most of it is resolved but I wish not to take part in the rest. I will reply to letters thrown at me by Jewelblues if he should continue because he is making this really hard for me. He started the trouble with me, and he started it with Becki. I think he is the wrong, but he is very influential with his writings so I don't know what you belive. I don't care anymore. I am only sorry. Please accept. Charlie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:40:33 -0600 From: "Chris Stoke" Subject: [EDA] NJC: Can ya'll please put NJC on this crap If you are going to fight over the list, can you at least put NJC: in the subject line, so I don't have to read everyone's bitching?! I am not even going to ask for it to stop, since it has been done before and its not helping, just please do everyone a favor and include the simple NJC:! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:47:06 -0500 From: "Becki Giles" Subject: Re: [EDA] My formal appology... Please READ. I would like to agree with Charlie. Our argument was because of a misunderstanding that got fueled by other comments and frustration. I'm sorry for having taken part in it and I hope that things can calm down from here. It doesn't not help to end a situation by continuous comments, and so I am dropping the matter here and now. Should anyone wish to comment on it, there are certain people who were involved that the comments might be best made to, instead of the group as a whole. I'll respond only to respectful comments, so that I may, in turn, be respectful to the writer. I'm sorry if my part of this was childish and I hope the list may move past it. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie zidon" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:29 AM Subject: [EDA] My formal appology... Please READ. > Dear EDA's, > > This is my try at a formal appology. I don't want you to consider me > childish. I know I have ruined that over this past day, but I would like for > you to give me a chance. I did not mean to be childish with the fighting. > I was upset that some people couldn't say ONE posative thing about Jewel, > but I'm not going to get into that again. I love Jewel for who she is. I > don't expect her to change for me or anyone, and she doesn't. I don't > expect you all to LOVE everything she does. I know you can make negative > comments as I have too, belive it or not (hehe). What I am trying to say is > I am sorry for these fights. I am not proud of what I have said. I was > aggrivated and just had to try to end it. I am not a bad person really. I > tried to be rash by solving it "off list" not knowing that was a COMPLETE NO > NO! I am really truely sorry and I hope you all can find it to forgive me > for it all. Most of it is resolved but I wish not to take part in the rest. > I will reply to letters thrown at me by Jewelblues if he should continue > because he is making this really hard for me. He started the trouble with > me, and he started it with Becki. I think he is the wrong, but he is very > influential with his writings so I don't know what you belive. I don't care > anymore. I am only sorry. > > Please accept. > > Charlie > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #108 ***************************