From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #51 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Friday, February 14 2003 Volume 08 : Number 051 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Legality of Music Sharing [V Alex Brennen ] Re: [EDA] Legality of Music Sharing [Dave0828@aol.com] [EDA] Re: the solo acoustic album possiblity [Stephen Hallowes Subject: [EDA] Legality of Music Sharing For a clear explanation of the legality of music sharing by a qualified lawyer, you can read this essay by Fred von Lohmann: http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/20010227_p2p_copyright_white_paper.html I met Fred at a technical conference for programmers who design p2p systems. At that conference he spoke on the Legal points of p2p network designs and business models. The essay is well worth a read, as well as the other documents that he has authored. It answers all the questions asked here very clearly. In the end, you have to personally inform yourself on the issue and make your own decision about participating in civil disobedience of intellectual property law. It much more a point for action than debate. There are programmers out there who are working on things like self organizing 802.11x networks which will run on iPod like devices so that you can tell your PDA you want a song and your PDA will download it from someone else's PDA with out either of you knowing it. As soon as you walk with in a few hundred feet of someone who has the song you want at school or on a crowded street, your PDA will download it. Likewise, you'll soon see networks with reputation systems based on digital signatures to keep low quality content off the network and network structures that force anonymous transactions which are untraceable. In summary, the technology will be there to keep the government, or anyone else, from stopping you or from even knowing that you're trading. I've talked with people who think that it's important for the business model of RIAA and MPAA to collapse because intellectual property based business models extend beyond performance art into areas such as education and medicine. As a key example, take the anti-retroviral drugs designed to fight HIV and AIDS. I can't say I agree with them on that point, but some of the hardest moments of my life have been watching friends die from that disease. It's hard to know that there are literally thousands of people preventively dying every day, in the exact same way, because US intellectual property laws prevent them from helping themselves with generic medications. Arguably, the failure of the music and movie industries in their current form is the first step in the process of a much needed reform of the idea of intellectual property in our country. It's been said to me, and it's a point I wouldn't argue, that our government is too corrupted by special interest campaign finance actions to allow such reform to happen in the absence of large scale civil disobedience. I was terribly disappointed when Nelson Mandela's benefit concert was canceled because the megacorporations and labels couldn't agree on rebroadcast rights. As if a few rebroadcasts of one live performance would bankrupt them. It was just so sad to see them all fighting over how much money they could make off other people's suffering and whether or not it was enough profit to justify allowing the benefit concert to occur. If Jewel goes bankrupt because of file trading, I'll be generous with what I put in the tip jar at Java Joe's if she finds herself playing there again. - VAB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:12:09 EST From: Dave0828@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Legality of Music Sharing Are we still talking about this? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:58:06 +1100 From: Stephen Hallowes Subject: [EDA] Re: the solo acoustic album possiblity >You know, I'm as excited as everyone else about the possibility of an >acoustic album, but thinking about it, most artists use tours to promote >albums, correct? And she already did a solo acoustic tour, correct? So if >she released an acoustic album, what are the chances that > >a) she would actually tour to support an album that, in all reality, doesn't >need to have big sales or make any money, > She would most likely tour. She's touring this summer which makes two band tours over two consecutive summers.... Why not another solo acoustic tour? I think most of Jewel's fanbase would go to another acoustic show. The setlist for the next acoustic tour will likely feature many different new/old songs, depending on what she puts on the album. Also, most of the acoustic dates weren't on the regular touring path... they were in smaller towns that most bands/artists don't usually go to. The tour supporting the solo album would probably go to more of the big cities in America... places she hasn't toured acoustically in years. I lived in Toronto at the time of the band tour and in Sydney Australia at the time of the solo tour (and now).... and I did get to her Toronto band show... but had I been living there at the time of the solo shows I know I wouldn't have made it to one no matter how hard I tried. However, I'm sure any tour to support a solo album would hit Toronto. >or > >b) the tour would be successful in the case that she did do so? > >That's not to be cynical, I would just rather see another two new-material >albums AND two tours than this new material album and a greatest hits >acoustic CD. > Who says the album is going to be an acoustic greatest hits CD? All she said was that the album was likely going to be an acoustic album.... that statement goes to the production value of the album, not the songs on it. For all we know she could write 13 *new* acoustic songs. Furthermore, the majority of Jewel's fanbase only know of the songs featured on the albums. Not everyone is fully connected to Jewel's online fanbase, or the EDAs... so if the CD did feature 13 unreleased but previously performed songs... most Jewel fans wouldn't have heard them. I personally think it will be the perfect time to release a solo acoustic album. It's the last record on her current contract with Atlantic, so it's kind of like coming full circle. The end of this current contract may end up being the end of an era, if she switches record labels... and even if she doesn't it's still sort of a new beginning on a new deal. Plus, she knows a lot of her fans love the solo acoustic stuff, and she knows she's going to be testing a lot of her fans with this next record (just by her last JeweLink message it's obvious she's aware it's causing a bit of a stir...)... so she must be thinking she'll owe her fans something for sticking by her during the experimental phase. I'm personally incredibly excited about the next two years of Jewel career. From the sounds of things, it's going to be constant music... what more could you ask for? Steve PS- I have to say that even though I think the acoustic album is a good idea, I'm almost more exicted about this next album. It sounds wicked! I'm so happy Jewel is trying new things and experimenting with herself. How boring would it be if she just tried to repeat This Way, or Spirit, or POY.... I love that each album is totally different from the last, or any other she's released. It's the sign of somebody truly wanting to branch out and be a good musician overall, and not just a good musician in one particular niche. I think everyone who has misgivings about the style of the next record should just open their minds and trust Jewel... ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #51 **************************