From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #38 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, February 5 2003 Volume 08 : Number 038 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the calendar page at the OFFICIAL Jewel web site * at http://www.jeweljk.com/low/calendar.html * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. * Also, PLEASE do not quote an entire digest when you reply to the * list. Edit out anything you are not referring to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:47:23 -0500 From: "Pupecki, Stacy" Subject: [EDA] maxim can someone point me in the right direction for the jewel at maxim party pix? i can't find them. i got to the site but i do not see any jewel. thanks. Stacy p. "ct angel needs a ride" (\o/) /_\ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:53:16 -0000 From: "Blanch Lee L" Subject: [EDA] RE: Hi / New to the list Hi Everyone, I have just this moment joined this mailing list and wanted to say hi and stuff. My name is Lee, I'm 21 years old and I live in Southampton, England. I'm a big fan of Jewel and so I thought I might as well join her mailing list to see what other fans are like, etc. I went to see her play at the Royal Albert Hall in London last May - anyone else go to it? Love to all, Lee. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:24:15 +0000 From: "now and zen girl" Subject: [EDA] Re: maxim pics @ wireimage well, i dont think that she cut that much hair really, maybe a few inches. and it does look a tad darker, maybe a different die.. but the major darkness really looks like a bad lighting issue. you can tell the way the shadows are cast throughout all her hair and the entire pic that it is just dark lighting. also in some shots parts of her hair looks really light, like it has been, and then in others parts of it are really dark. but haha this is kinda silly, but hey its conversation. later, alisa. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:15:02 -0000 From: "Blanch Lee L" Subject: RE: [EDA] Re: maxim pics @ wireimage Hi alisa, what's the url for these pictures? Lee. - -----Original Message----- From: now and zen girl [mailto:lemming523@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 February 2003 08:24 To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: [EDA] Re: maxim pics @ wireimage well, i dont think that she cut that much hair really, maybe a few inches. and it does look a tad darker, maybe a different die.. but the major darkness really looks like a bad lighting issue. you can tell the way the shadows are cast throughout all her hair and the entire pic that it is just dark lighting. also in some shots parts of her hair looks really light, like it has been, and then in others parts of it are really dark. but haha this is kinda silly, but hey its conversation. later, alisa. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 12:41:56 -0500 From: Lisa Subject: [EDA] Re: Me yammering on Sharing & Kazaa ruling I agree that artists deserve money for their work, but when it comes to sharing mp3s amongst ourselves I just don't see why it's illegal. The p2p services that charge a monthly fee aren't doing well financially, & it's obvious why. Are you paying to download mp3s? Is ANYONE on this list paying? I doubt it. Why? Because it's FREE! Why pay when you can have it for free? If it's a physical or online store, you HAVE to pay. But p2p services are not stores, they don't provide the music, WE DO! And since there's no money exchanged between us, it's not illegal, it's simply a fair trade. If we traded shirts(or anything for that matter), does that mean we have to pay the designer because we traded? Of course not! I know what you're thinking- because the shirt was paid for, right? Well, guess what- so is the music we download! 90% of the music we download comes from the actual cd which someone PAID for, therefore the artists already got their money. The only reason the music industry is complaining that cd sales went down is because of the price. If they lower the price, people will be more likely to buy, then sales will go up & the record companies/artists will get more money. >>you don't seem to understand that there *is* a reason it can't be - it isillegal, plain and simple. when you're commiting an illegal activity, you don't have a right to privacy. the reason it can't be free, is because you are stealing potential income from the artist for the work they did! it's not something they do in their spare time, this is their job - if you were an artist, and had your work in a gallery, you wouldn't want someone to come in the gallery, take your painting, and then go and copy and distribute it to others who want it but don't want to pay for it. It's the same thing....and no matter how you justify what you're doing - it's still illegal. A man could jusify beating his wife because she pisses him off, that doesn't mean what he's doing isn't wrong and that he deserves some sort of "allowance" for his activities because he personally sees nothing wrong with it. If you're saying downloading should be free, you are basically saying that *music* should be free to take whenever you want from wherever, and that the artist should never receive compensation for it... and if that were the case, you could basically kiss music goodbye for the most part because artists would not have time to make music on top of having another job, and be able to leave their jobs and tour and promote, and go on shows and create. As for the "invading your privacy" part. I'm sorry, but the internet is not a private place. As soon as you use your computer to log on to the internet, you are entering a public domain... you are basically "leaving" your house without physically leaving, therefore, your "right to privacy" on certain issues is null. What you're basically saying is that you should have complete privacy on the internet to do whatever you want - even if it's illegal. So, if you're saying that, then you're saying people should be allowed to download child porn, even though it's illegal, because they have a right to privacy on the internet? I don't think so. Your rights to privacy, on the internet, or otherwise, are basically given up once you're commiting an illegal activity. Just because you're smoking crack in your house does not mean that you're allowed to do it because you have a right to privacy. You are still breaking the law and are still responsible for your actions. ~ Sandy<< - -- Join my forums! http://forums.delphiforums.com/dafanclubhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/dafanclubhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/jewelfans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:36:30 -0800 From: "Johnnie J. Young" Subject: [EDA] Re: Sharing & Kazaa Ruling It's illegal because you are making copies of the songs from the CD and "trading" those copies with other people who didn't pay for the CD -- this is a violation of federal copyright laws. You suggest that this is equivalent with trading any item that has been legally purchased, but this is not true since you are not trading the actual CDs with someone, but are making unauthorized copies of the CDs and "trading" those copies. Johnnie J. Young jjyoung@mindspring.com On 5 Feb 2003 at 12:41, Lisa wrote: > I agree that artists deserve money for their work, but when it comes to > sharing mp3s amongst ourselves I just don't see why it's illegal. The p2p > services that charge a monthly fee aren't doing well financially, & it's > obvious why. Are you paying to download mp3s? Is ANYONE on this list > paying? I doubt it. Why? Because it's FREE! Why pay when you can have it > for free? If it's a physical or online store, you HAVE to pay. But p2p > services are not stores, they don't provide the music, WE DO! And since > there's no money exchanged between us, it's not illegal, it's simply a > fair trade. If we traded shirts (or anything for that matter), does that > mean we have to pay the designer because we traded? Of course not! I know > what you're thinking- because the shirt was paid for, right? Well, guess > what- so is the music we download! 90% of the music we download comes > from the actual cd which someone PAID for, therefore the artists already > got their money. The only reason the music industry is complaining that > cd sales went down is because of the price. If they lower the price, > people will be more likely to buy, then sales will go up & the record > companies/artists will get more money. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:57:51 -0500 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: Me yammering on Sharing & Kazaa ruling Okay, this is the last time I'm going to reply to this, because you just don't seem to be listening AT ALL. You have a lawyer telling you that it's illegal, yet still, you're trying to say it's not. > > Why pay when you can have it > for free? If it's a physical or online store, you HAVE to pay. But p2p > services are not stores, they don't provide the music, WE DO! And since > there's no money exchanged between us, it's not illegal It doesn't matter how many times you try to say this and justify it, it doesn't matter IT IS STILL ILLEGAL. period. It's not the RIAA that's saying it's illegal, it's the LAW. Once and for all, read very carefully : It has NOTHING to do with money being exchanged between the people. You are stealing *potential* income from the artist. It doesn't matter if you make no money off of it, you are still stealing it. If you go into a store, and steal a shirt, and then give it to your friend, it's still illegal even though you didn't make money off of it. Once and for all: justify it all you want, it does not in any way make it legal to do it! So don't sit here and keep saying it is legal because that's what you *think* it should be, when you have a lawyer and countless other informed people telling you that it's against the law. >it's simply a > fair trade. If we traded shirts(or anything for that matter), does that > mean we have to pay the designer because we traded? Of course not! I know > what you're thinking- because the shirt was paid for, right? Well, guess > what- so is the music we download! 90% of the music we download comes > from the actual cd which someone PAID for, therefore the artists already > got their money. The artist got their money from the person who paid for it. If the person who paid for it, came over to you, and gave you the CD, then no, it would not be illegal, because that actual CD that they gave to you was paid for. They no longer have the CD, therefore the "music" on it, so the actual "music" on that particular CD has been paid for. If they are giving you a burned copy of the CD, or you are trading MP3's, then it is *illegal* because you are stealing income from the artist - yes they got paid for the CD that the music came from, but not for the other CD's that the people downloading the music would have bought had they not deciding to procure it for themselves for free. Therefore, you're trading shirts analogy doesn't work. If you bought the shirt, and your friends liked it, and you wanted to share it with them, you could give them to the shirt to wear (just like you could lend someone a copy of the cd you *bought*) but, you couldn't go into the store, steal 5 of the same shirt, and give them to your friends, just because you already paid for yours. >The only reason the music industry is complaining that > cd sales went down is because of the price. If they lower the price, > people will be more likely to buy, then sales will go up & the record > companies/artists will get more money. You were saying above, "if you can get if for free, why would you pay?", and then you're trying to say that the music industry isn't losing any sales because of MP3's... you're basically contradicting yourself. If they lower the price of CD's, it still would never be free, so logically according to your above statement, people would still be downloading the music instead of buying it. Therefore, until they can find a way to control people downloading the music, they will indeed be losing sales from it. Regardless of the debate of that. Have you gotten the point that it's illegal yet? That no matter how much you want to believe you are doing nothing wrong, that *by law* what you are doing is wrong, whether or not you believe that is should be. ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:23:55 EST From: Maggsleys@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel pic on Self To me, that pic really looks air brushed - jewels thighs do not look like that! - and i agree, it's very sad. Ah well, that's magazines for you. Also, just to put in my little view on this downloading debate, i do download songs, but i would not be buying these cds if that option wasn't available. CDs are a bit much for my empty pockets. I still spring for the cds i really want, but downloading makes me able to appreciate more artists, which in the end may get me to one of their concerts. And i think i've read that the majority of artists who aren't super popular get the majority of their money from touring, not from cd sales. Anyhow, it is a morally fraught situation, and i think it is at least nice that it has people considering ethics and values, a too often ignored topic in today's society. Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:58:22 EST From: StuartnDee@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: Me yammering on Sharing & Kazaa ruling Its depressing how many of you who don't make a living from your own creativity or intellectual abilities think its a good idea to steal from those who do. Keep thinking that way if you really want a world without proffessional musicians, writers or artists. Dee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:18:04 -0800 From: "Jewel Worshiper" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: Me yammering on Sharing & Kazaa ruling hey, i've got an idea!! how bout we stop talking about this?? :D - --Jewel Worshiper-- http://www.angelfire.com/sk/killorgeteven/pale_shade_of_grey.html (my Jewel Page) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jewel is GOD WWJD --- What Would Jewel Do "the hardest thing in the world is to live in it" ~buffy "cheerleaders are dancers who have gone retarded" ~bring it on _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:29:27 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: [EDA] FWD: JeweLink: February 5, 2003 Here is the latest issue of JeweLink, directly from Jewel's "people", if you want to get a copy of this directly as each issue comes out, you can sub- scribe to it by sending a blank email to join-jewelink@list.jeweljk.com ******************************************** JeweLink - The Official Jewel Communications List ******************************************** In this edition of JeweLink: ***THIS WEEK'S JEWELJK.COM PHOTOS ***TV REMINDER: Rerun of Isaac Mizrahi Show ***TICKET LINK FOR SAN ANTONIO ***NOTES FROM MrBB ******************************************** ***THIS WEEK'S JEWELJK.COM PHOTOS At the www.jeweljk.com scrapbook page this week, we look back to Jewel's concert at the Verizon Wireless Theatre in Houston, Texas on July 20, 2002. ******************************************** ***TV REMINDER: Rerun of Isaac Mizrahi Show For those of you who may have missed Jewel's appearance last month on The Isaac Mizrahi Show, this program will air again tomorrow night (Feb. 6) on the Oxygen Network at 10:30 p.m. est. Her segment was filmed during the recent "Self" magazine photo shoot. Included is an interview, footage of Jewel singing Cole Porter's "Too Darn Hot" (during the photo shoot) and an acoustic performance of "Who Will Save Your Soul." ******************************************** ***TICKET LINK FOR SAN ANTONIO On Thursday, February 13th, Jewel will perform a concert with her band following the 54th Annual San Antonio Stock Show & Rodeo in San Antonio, Texas. Tickets for this event are still available at: http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/723555/ Jewel is scheduled to perform following the rodeo. You can learn more about this event at: http://www.SARodeo.com/ ******************************************** ***NOTES FROM MRBB Hi all, We've received a few common questions lately regarding recent changes to the www.jeweljk.com online store, so I'll address a few of those before signing off today. With a look to the future and realizing some limitations to our previous software, Jewel's online store has changed a bit. This happened because we felt we could better serve your needs and the ongoing changes of business management. The new store offers some features that we did not have built in to our previous software and as we move closer to her next release, some of those features, like pre-selling Jewel's new album, will be introduced. If you don't see something up on the new site, it has likely been sold out. We are in the planning stages of adding new merch, so stay tuned and visit often. Our official Jewel merchandise is still being created and produced by the same team, including Jewel. Speaking of whom, Jewel is still plugging away at her next album. Things are progressing well and she's been enjoying working closely with Lester Mendez. Unlike her previous albums, she has written all new material for this one, none of it previously performed live. In the past, Jewel's albums have primarily consisted of songs from her existing live repertoire, so this is a departure in her approach to this album. There's several other major projects currently in the works and we'll unveil a lot more about these in the not-so-distant future. There will be plenty to look forward to this year. Stick around! We'll keep you informed as things progress. MrBB ******************************************** Jewel performance information and TV broadcast scheduling updates available 24 hours a day at: http://jeweljk.com/low/calendar.html ******************************************** Now Playing: Jody Blackwell - "Volcano" ******************************************** - --- You can help a friend subscribe by having them send a blank email to join-jewelink@list.jeweljk.com To view selected back issues of JeweLink, please visit the JeweLink Archive at the www.jeweljk.com calendar page. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #38 **************************