From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #540 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, December 14 2002 Volume 07 : Number 540 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V7 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] A break please [Dave0828@aol.com] Re: [EDA] and i apologize [Dave0828@aol.com] [EDA] Re: Alisa and Mark are right on ! [GAMGRIFF@aol.com] Re: [EDA] blah de blah ["Mark Austin" ] [EDA] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jewel=B4s_message....?= ["Michiel - van - Gorkum" ] Re: [EDA] Enough Michiel ["Mark Austin" ] EDA list problems (was - Re: [EDA] Enough Michiel ) [Mike Connell ] [EDA] Serve the Ego played on the radio!!!! [shawn e williams But i have the idea that the > mainstream is wanting to break my person by hurting me I don't think that anyone here is interested in actually hurting anyone else. I may be wrong here. But, I think that everybody is just saying that they want people to watch out for the distasteful comments. And, that includes things like fantasizing about Jewel posing in trashy magazines. To have an opinion about ti one way or the other is likely pretty acceptable. But, to say things that lend to fantasizing about it - especially when previous posts from the same person state things like dreaming about one day marrying Jewel - - while at other times that same person says that they would like to see pictures included of Jewel and her boyfriend in bed.... well, are you telling me that you don't understand how all of this can be construed? I don't mean to go off on a rant here but, - oh hell nevermind.... it's all pretty much been said hasn't it? I think that most people here can fill in the rest of the blanks. Later, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:05:08 EST From: Dave0828@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] and i apologize Ok - maybe I have a couple more blanks to fill in myself. All I'm going to say is - when the same person has had to apologize for the things that things that they have said over and over - maybe that person should be more careful about what they say. And that's all I have to say about that. (not really - but, I say more than my share) So - how's the weather across the ocean? Later, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:33:46 EST From: GAMGRIFF@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: Alisa and Mark are right on ! In a message dated 12/14/2002 1:05:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org writes: << ow, i am beyond disappointed in some of you guys right now. i could not agree more with what mark said, he always has good things to say, and i agreed with every word. michiel you are bothering me so much right now. >> Some of you seem to want Jewel turned into a piece of meat. To think you call yourselves EDA s makes me sick. Alisa and Mark are right on the money....John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:37:26 -0330 From: "Mark Austin" Subject: Re: [EDA] blah de blah James, Youre right, I was bashing, and I really hope I never hurt Micheal or anyone else, and said I was sorry if I did. I was really worried about sending out that e-mail. But you have to let others know how you really feel about something they are doing sometimes, or it will just grow. So yeah, Micheal, I'm really really sorry, if I upset you! Being liberal is good, James, but about 90% of the 4 or 5 emails a day were about Jewel being sexy and beautiful. You have the freedom on this list to talk about whatever you want, but focusing on the art a little more than the looks is a good thing to do, especially when emails on her looks become extremely reptetive. Also, I'm gong throuhg the 20 or so new emails I found today and realized I started a pretty long thread. Im glad a lot of you guys agree with me, but we shouldnt say "YEAH STUPID HIM" etc, but be more EDA-like and just calmly and *politely* agree or something. So yeah. I dont want to bash Micheal entirely, I was just getting a little upset about reading the same post over and over. Micheal, feel free to keep expressing to everyone, don't stop because of me, but just try to vary your topics now and then? Thats all. Love you all, Mark >From: DPS8315@aol.com >To: jewel@smoe.org >Subject: [EDA] blah de blah >Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:19:27 EST > >I know I shouldn't even post this because it's going to do no good, but I >already typed it out. > >Someone was dissing on Michiel: > > > SO many times > > yet still only comes on here and blabs about how beautiful she is. YES > > we know she is beautiful. > > > >I want to point out that while I dont always read every "jewel is so >beautiful" line in Michiel's posts, he does frequently comment on how much >he >loves her art as well, and I think that it's a shame that every topic that >comes up these days turns into bashing one EDA or the other because they're >simply more liberal than others on the list. > >I don't think anything truly profound came out of the to pose or not to >pose >debate, but it contained moral, political, and even artistic value and I'm >glad we had the discussion, at the prospect that something truly profound >might have been said. >Most importantly, I hope that those that have been bashed before aren't >afraid to continue to speak liberally. > >James _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:25:53 +0100 From: "Michiel - van - Gorkum" Subject: [EDA] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jewel=B4s_message....?= hello Jewelfans, I am happy with the understanding on this list. I know i maybe so now and then repetive. But at least this list is having fans again, and people are posting about jewel4s activities again. For example when i went to see Jewel for the first time in may 1999 i was so happy as happy can be. Flown to Ireland to see Jewel and Steve Poltz playing in a little venue , not very big. It was a fantastic atmosphere, and i remember Steve Poltz singing the funny Kilkenney man. When i look back to all the wonderful years since i have been fan late 1997, i realised that Jewel is an artist that is always close to your heart. You can4t say any other artist really gives that same feeling. Okay , i know i sounds sometimes a little bit like a fanatic. But hey i am a fan who appreciates Jewel for every art she shares with us fans, like songwriting, performing, acting and so now and then i hope she shocks a little hehe. Just like the Jingleball photos, it was just a little nice to see Jewel being that beautiful, and yeah i loved her sexy outfit. But that is normal, every person has the right to think what he wants. And yeah liberal freedom of speech is good, and my jewelfanism is sometimes freaking some people out. But believe on my word, i am a good fan in the word of being fan. I only appreciate Jewel for her songs, her voice and her way how she performs on stage. That she is pretty and that i like her, yeah i admit that as well. How on earth, couldn4t you admire Jewel. I don4t see what is wrong in admiring an artist. I am single, i love Jewel as artist, i worship her and have fantasies about her. But i would never ever hurt Jewel or anybody in the world. I am a non violent man, and unlike the song Rosy and Mick, i am not coming to the house with a knife :) LOL. I will always love Jewel4s music, and her godess body. But her crafts and her skills are for me no doubt the most important of all. How can you otherwise attend 25 shows this year, and go to 12 shows in the states in september. Just to enjoy her accoustic shows and to hear near you always, does anyone believe in love anymore or just simple enjoy to listen to studies in love number 12. I always enjoy Jewel and will be a fan forever in my life. Jewel is like a good bottle of wine, the more you drink of it, the more you love the taste of the wine. The same goes for being fan, the more shows i have seen, the more i was struck by Jewel4s guitar play! you fans on the list have to give me a little more credits, i have helped jewel getting some positive critics in the english and dutch papers when i was so goddamn lucky to share the stage with her. I know i have said i want to marry jewel and things like that, but that are just some phrases to express my admiration for jewel. and why can4t i have dreams, even though they are not realistic, but i have at least dreams. i am a fan who supports jewel whenever i can.. you can watch at my site , the personal jewel message she wrote for me when i attended her shows in my a night without armor book! i have so many stories and things in my memorie that will last forever, that all i can say in spirit of the holiday season Jewel is great, and jewel is beautiful and we fans are making her to perform always so great, because we love to hear her sing accoustically... and we all look forward to her new tour in 2003, and all i want to add as last sentence Jewel is beautiful hehe :) Michiel a dutch jewelfan http://www.jewelkilcher.myweb.nl/ a dutch tribute for singer Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:38:25 -0500 From: LoLLingIMer@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Enough Michiel OK we get the point. You are a Jewelfan....hopefully like everybody else on this list. And, like it's been said before, if anyone has a particular point to argue, than do it privately. It is pointless to post arguements and such to the entire list, and it only causes negativity, and segregates us, when instead we sould be coming together in love. After all isn't that what being an angel is all about? Just think about it. - --AXiS The high angel PS Michiel, it is ok to fantasize about people, just don't tell us about it here, ok? Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:52:52 EST From: Dave0828@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Enough Michiel Yes - we get that he's a Jewel fan. We get that he went to 25 shows last year and 12 in the states. We get that he has been on stage with Jewel three times. We get that he finds her beautiful. We get that he has fantasies about her. We get that he has a personal message inscribed in a book that you can view at his website. All things that he's been criticized for saying repeatedly - and we got EVERY one of them in the last e-mail. The only recurring thought that we didn't get is how much money he spent seeing all of these shows. Even in apologetic e-mails we get the same stuff over and over. I'll give him some more credit as soon as I see ONE e-mail that doesn't contain ANY of those key phrases. I have plenty of my own Jewel stories of the like, but I don't feel the need to include reference to them in each e-mail I post to the list. Mostly, I know who the interested parties are - and, I've shared the stories with them. Other than that - my personal experiences are just that - personal experiences. Maybe I'm being overly harsh. But, Michiel - you come off as being a braggart and a sex obsessed one at that. Is this e-mail too harsh? You make the call. It's okay though - because that's it for me on this. If he wants to continue to say nothing but these things - I know where the delete button on my e-mail box is. You won't hear another peep out of me about this if you don't want to. Later, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Christa" Subject: [EDA] The List Yes, I agree that some people on the list like to brag, but without those people I probably never would have seen the pictures from the Jingle Ball, or have heard so many good stories. And I'm sure that if I ever got to go on stage with Jewel I would share it with all of you, too, about a million times. - Happy Holidays everyone.~Christa"Nothing can destroy you unless you want it badly." -Angelina Jolie The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:04:57 -0330 From: "Mark Austin" Subject: Re: [EDA] Enough Michiel I'm not sure if the second e-mail I wrote tonight came into just Michiel or the whole list, but I never got it. I just want to let you all know that I started this whole thing. Its okay for Michiel to brag I guess, wwe dont even know if hes trying to brag. All I wanted was for the e-mails to focus more on the art then being 90% about her looks. I know you love her art, you love her looks, you love everything, and you are a wonderful fan. I enjoy getting lots of e-mails from this list, I just wanted a few more art/music-orienated ones. I never meant to bash him, critisize him, or anything, I just wanted to let him know how I felt on a tiny insignifigant issue. I and everyone else knows how great a Jewel fan you are Michiel, its ok. Im glad that someone appreciates what she does so much. Im sorry if I was too blunt with what I said or if others followed me in a harsh way. So I'm sorry. Keep sending in all the e-mails you like! And to everyone else, remember, if you think others may find it harsh, dont send it or at least rephrase it. We call ourselves everyday angels, so from here on out lets start acting like them. We are all one group, all here for one reason, and lets just keep that in mind. I learned from what I did, and I'm never going to be so harsh again. Thats all I have to say. Oh, that and I'm pretty sure that it goes "Mick came home late last night" not "Mich came home late with a knife" or something. I dont know where you got the knife part from, Michiel! ^_^ Mark _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:54:14 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: EDA list problems (was - Re: [EDA] Enough Michiel ) At 09:34 PM 12/14/2002, Mark Austin wrote: >I'm not sure if the second e-mail I wrote tonight came into just Michiel >or the whole list, but I never got it. A few times a year (about 6 or 7 actually), hotmail goes bonkers and starts returning email sent to its users. It's a real nightmare for listowners like myself, because they get returned to me and it adds up pretty quickly. In case you haven't figured it out, one of those times is now. Hotmail has been on the fritz and returning many emails as undeliverable for no good reason. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:05:03 -0800 From: "Elizabeth Nguyen" Subject: [EDA] responses to emails Hey everyone. Haven't had time to read many of the posts lately because of tests and all, but I have glanced at some of them. I'm not going to say who's "side" I'm on or anything. I just have one thing to say. If you have a response that is to one or two particular people, can we just send it to that SPECIFIC person? If you're addressing just one person, why make it a public notice? I know, I wouldn't like to get have my hate mail (hehe .. wait, I don't get real hate mail .. just hate email ;-) ) put on display for everyone to see. It's bad enough to get flames in the first place. It's just embarrassing to have everyone see it too. It's one thing to share a story, or ask a question or contribute to a conversation, but when it's strictly a response to one or two people, just send it to them please. Plus, people must remember these emails will stay in the archives forever and ever. Do you want people to look through years later and say, "my goodness, this person said this and that?" Yeah .. there is no real point to this post I suppose. Anyway, I hope everyone is doing well. I, unfortunately, have had a total of 7 hours of sleep for 4 days. Ergh ... Elizabeth, the tennis-ball-whacking angel Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" Perfect for the Jewel Kilcher Fan! Get your Free E-mail at http://jewel.zzn.com ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:32:32 -0500 From: shawn e williams Subject: [EDA] Serve the Ego played on the radio!!!! I just got home from the AVRIL concert, which totally kicked ass by the way!!!! I turned on the radio and q100 here in georgia was playing Serve the Ego. I called and pretended I didn't know who sings the song and he was like , it's Jewel great song. They probably play it every saturday night b/c it's the dance mix night. anyway, i'm rambling on. GOOD NIGHT!!!!! love ya, shawney the hippie angel ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #540 ***************************