From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #442 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, October 3 2002 Volume 07 : Number 442 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V7 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- SJC: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music ["Fabio (wnet)" ] [EDA] jewel / illegal music [DPS8315@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music [WiddleyPud@aol.com] Re: SJC: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music [Mc1Starr2000@aol.co] [EDA] trades ["Jewel Worshiper" ] Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music [JeWeLNuMbEr1FaN@aol.com] [EDA] Interesting find - STL more expensive than PBFGAB? [WiddleyPud@aol.] Re: [EDA] Interesting find - STL more expensive than PBFGAB? [Mike Connel] Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music [NeOblCar@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music ["Lindsay" Subject: SJC: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music You know, I guess we all wouldn't be such huge fans if we only knew Jewel's released songs. How would I like Jewel so much if I haven't heard "Does Anyone Believe In Love" or "Carnivore"? If I wasn't able to download music from the internet, how would I know artists like Stereophonics, Norah Jones and the Soul City artists?? I would never buy an album if I wasn't sure there were at least 3 songs I liked about it. BUT, in my opinion, it's not the downloading music issue the biggest problem. The CD's are REALLY expensive (in my country at least) and I can't afford buying one per month! I have friends that are Jewel fans and they didn't buy This Way yet because it's way too expensive. That's ridiculous!! Also, I don't understand why they don't sell singles anymore (they actually never did in Brazil...). I would have certainly bought Vanessa Carlton's, Avril's and Michelle's, but, as I don't have the money to buy their albums, I have their songs in my computer. I LOVE having CDs and buying CDs. I just can't afford them... Anyway, the bottom line is, Jewel has such a big and loyal fanbase because of Napster and alikes. Fabio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 05:18:51 EDT From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] billboard chart if anybody is interested in seeing the Billboard Dance Charts with Jewel's Serve the Ego at #19 - here's the link: http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/airplay/dance.jsp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:22:13 EDT From: Applejuiceboxes@aol.com Subject: [EDA] NJC: Sweet Home Alabama speaking of which... this is kind of irrelevant, but SHA brought in the most money opening weekend for a romantic comedy, and something like third for movies starring women (behind Tomb Raider and Charlie's Angels). just thought I'd mention it cuz I heard it last night on the news and I was really surprised. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Minh Duong Subject: [EDA] Re: NJC Learning Guitar I don't play guitar but a good friend of mine does so all my advice come with the usual disclaimers. (No warranty implied. Not applicable in any of the contiguous 48 states, Hawaii, Alaska, or Mexico, etc.) He says it's harder to learn to play acoustic, but if you learn acoustic first, moving to electric is easy. If you learn electric first, moving to acoustic is difficult. It makes sense. Playing good acoustic requires good technique, but you can get away with less technique on electrics thanks to distortion, pedals, etc. Moreover you can adjust the sensitivity on electrics. If you play badly acoustically, there's nothing you can do to fix that except learn to play better. As for brands, it depends on what style you want to play. For hard rocking, annoying the neighbors kind of music, all you don't necessarily need a name brand like Fender. In fact some of the name brands down right suck depending on the model and music. A salesperson at a local music store might be able to help you more. But talk to the guys with long hair that actually play. Don't talk to the three-piece suit kind of guys. They're salesman and not necessarily musicians. The main disadvantage to being a lefty is price and availability of guitars. Not many people make left-handed guitars. When they available, they downright expensive. That doesn't mean you don't have options. You can play a right-handed guitar like a lefty. Jimmy Hendrix did that even after he could afford a lefty guitar. Or you could just learn to play it like a righty. I know, the world's not fair, but we all must make do. Minh - ------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:44:48 -0400 From: "Pupecki, Stacy" Subject: [EDA] learning guitar i've read some eda's play guitar and i'm sure even more of them do, and my question is how easy or hard is it to learn? what's the best way? i know i'll never play as good as jewel but i would like to be able to play a few songs someday. what are some good sites or books to learn or find some info on guitars or about reading music? what else is involved? what different types of guitars are there? which do you recommend? not just brands but what kind of guitar should i buy: accoustic, electric, others? are there any disadvantages being a lefty? thanks angels. New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:40:38 EDT From: DPS8315@aol.com Subject: [EDA] jewel / illegal music From: JeWeLNuMbEr1FaN@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Sweet home alabama Hey yall someone sent the song to me so if you haven't heard it yet then I can email it to you.. I love it! Isn't it funny that this is the post that proceeded Fred's post of the Jewel and Illegal Music article? I've been wondering this ever since I started trading angelfood a couple of months ago- how illegal is bootlegging exactly? When you go to a venue, and it says no cameras/recording devices, if you're caught most of the time they just make you check your equipment in right? Moreover, how illegal is it to trade the media itself... even if you had nothing to do with the recording? I would think it could be philosophically related to receiving stolen property... but I have no idea. I know albums are copyrighted, but what about performances? James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:15:36 EDT From: WiddleyPud@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music Hey angels, I agree with Jason, although there is something I would like to ad to that. I think most of the songs that are downloaded off of programs like that are unreleased songs. At least in my case they are. Not only that, I may download songs off of her new album before it is released but I still go pay the ridiculous amounts for it at record stores when it is released. In my opinion, I think the best way to get rid of this problem is for the record stores and labels to work on lowering the price of the CDs. I mean you know damn well it doesn't cost anywhere from $13 - $20 to make a CD. And who's going to pay that much for a CD when you can make it on your computer for less than a dollar. One other option is for these music downloading programs is to use some sort of filter that would eliminate released material. That way, we wouldn't be downloading music illegally. If i'm not mistaken, as long as the material is not publically released, it's not illegal. Although I could be wrong. That's just my opinion on this matter. Lesley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:05:53 EDT From: Mc1Starr2000@aol.com Subject: Re: SJC: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music In a message dated 10/3/2002 12:27:55 AM Central Daylight Time, fjjordao@wnetrj.com.br writes: > You know, I guess we all wouldn't be such huge fans if we only knew Jewel's > released songs. How would I like Jewel so much if I haven't heard "Does > Anyone Believe In Love" or "Carnivore"? If I wasn't able to download music > from the internet, how would I know artists like Stereophonics, Norah Jones > and the Soul City artists?? I would never buy an album if I wasn't sure > there were at least 3 songs I liked about it. > > BUT, in my opinion, it's not the downloading music issue the biggest > problem. The CD's are REALLY expensive (in my country at least) and I can't > afford buying one per month! I have friends that are Jewel fans and they > didn't buy This Way yet because it's way too expensive. That's ridiculous!! > Also, I don't understand why they don't sell singles anymore (they actually > never did in Brazil...). I would have certainly bought Vanessa Carlton's, > Avril's and Michelle's, but, as I don't have the money to buy their albums, > I have their songs in my computer. I LOVE having CDs and buying CDs. I just > can't afford them... > > Anyway, the bottom line is, Jewel has such a big and loyal fanbase because > of Napster and alikes. > > Fabio Yes, I agree with this. I've learned about so many artists through downloading music. When I hear about an artist from a friend or like one of their songs, I never just rush out and buy the album. Instead, I download a few songs to see if I like them enough to buy their album. I've become fans of so many people BECAUSE of the internet and downloading music. I'm one of those people though that will not download a whole CD and burn it unless I plan on going out and buying the album soon. Not everyone is like that though, so I can see that there might be a problem. The thing is..celebrities are the richest people in the world and the truth is that they are overpaid. They throw away so much of their money on big parties. While we have to save up our money for one CD. For artists like Jewel though, it probably does affect their careers. But some of the bigger artists who are complaining are so rich that it looks kind of bad. I agree with Jewel though about the whole downloading music thing. I think that there are better ways to control it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:55:02 -0700 From: "Jewel Worshiper" Subject: [EDA] trades hi, i was wondering if anyone wanted to trade. Im mainly looking for recent (This Way/NWW) stuff. I don't have much, but my list can be located on my website. Thanks! :) - --Jewel Worshiper-- http://www.angelfire.com/sk/killorgeteven/pale_shade_of_grey.html (my Jewel Page) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Why are we afraid to be in love?" "'Cause when there's you, I feel whole And there's no better feeling in the world But without you I'm alone And I'd rather be in love with you" - --Michelle Branch - I'd Rather Be In Love _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:34:41 EDT From: JeWeLNuMbEr1FaN@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music I agree with some of ya'll...I download like 3 songs then buy the CD. I like to have the actual CD. I don't think that its bad to download 3 songs or something, but I think its wrong sorda to download the whole cd. I haven't got a chance to buy sweet home alabama yet, but of course I'm going to buy it, i have to have everything Jewel! lol..I wouldn't ever download her cds. ~Michele Trade Angelfood-http://hometown.aol.com/jewelnumber1fan/index.html Jewel rocks!!!!! Roll tide!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:48:52 EDT From: WiddleyPud@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Interesting find - STL more expensive than PBFGAB? Hey guys! I was looking at eil.com for some Jewel stuff and I noticed that Save the Linoleum is more expensive than Phyllis Barnabee Finally Gets a Bra. I thought that was kind of weird b/c I thought PBFGAB was more rare than STL. Anyway, if anyone is interested in them, although the prices are pretty high, they have STL for $150 and PBFGAB for $80. That's a pretty big difference in price eh? Lesley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:30:12 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] Interesting find - STL more expensive than PBFGAB? Lesley exclaimed: > I was looking at eil.com for some Jewel stuff and I noticed that Save >the Linoleum is more expensive than Phyllis Barnabee Finally Gets a Bra. I >thought that was kind of weird b/c I thought PBFGAB was more rare than STL. >Anyway, if anyone is interested in them, although the prices are pretty high, >they have STL for $150 and PBFGAB for $80. That's a pretty big difference in >price eh? STL always was higher priced whenever I was in the market for them. Even back when they were both "plentiful", I used to get STLs for about 40$ and PBs for 14 to 21 bucks. I still think it's rarer than STL as there seemed to bea lot less of them around (I define rare as less quantity). STL is likely more expensive as it has more tracks and is much longer overall. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:08:34 EDT From: NeOblCar@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music I think having artist like Eminem tell me not to download is the biggest waste of money and yet more reason why the music industry has to change. They waste endless dollars on stuff like this to fight a losing battle. The genie is out of the bottle - and nothing will put it back. Also, and my reason for using Eminem as the focus person here, does anyone believe that he hasn't, doesn't or wouldn't do the same himself? At least Jewel has the ***** to admit it. So does Aerosmith and many others from interviews I've heard. Second, I own a huge library of audio tapes - many of my downloads are older songs I have on tape. Do I feel bad that the industry isn't making money on selling me a CD version of something I already own? Heck no. I know we've discussed this before but there is one reason why the music industry is in this position - they killed off the single in their own greed to force people to buy complete CDs for one song. For instance, when I was looking for STE single, I went into Borders and other stores and you know what they told me - "We don't sell singles." Well, then screw them - I am not buying Nelly's CD just to get Hot in Herre ... or any other example you can think of. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:45:18 -0400 From: "Lindsay" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music I agree with you guys. But I usually do download unreleased stuff. It's no different from trading bootlegs (am I wrong?). Unfortunately, it would be pretty difficult to make a piece of software to eliminate or reduce the DLing or released music to the point where it's no big deal. I'm a pretty big computer geek (ha?) so I can definitely say there are countless ways to get around things like that. They pretty much shutdown Napster and a few others, however, that's only a few of hundreds of p2p and other file sharing clients. Basically, it would be nearly impossible to completely stop the illegal downloading since it starts with ripping CDs and people can make a strong argument for having or wanting to do so (making copies for the car, ripping to listen on the comp, having an actual mp3 player or mp3/cd player... msot DVD players can play MP3s now, too.). People swap on mIRC, ICQ, AOL, etc. also. So there's the music industry's dilemma in a nutshell (or maybe that wasn't short enough for a nutshell). I guess we'll just have to rely on people's morals/hope they can scrape together enough cash if they like the cd enough (for now until someone brilliant comes up with something great). basically, I'm saying it's a real problem because it's not an easy thing to control. Lindsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music > > > > Hey angels, > > I agree with Jason, although there is something I would like to ad > to > > that. I think most of the songs that are downloaded off of programs like > > that are unreleased songs. At least in my case they are. Not only that, > I > > may download songs off of her new album before it is released but I still > go > > pay the ridiculous amounts for it at record stores when it is released. > In > > my opinion, I think the best way to get rid of this problem is for the > record > > stores and labels to work on lowering the price of the CDs. I mean you > know > > damn well it doesn't cost anywhere from $13 - $20 to make a CD. And who's > > going to pay that much for a CD when you can make it on your computer for > > less than a dollar. One other option is for these music downloading > programs > > is to use some sort of filter that would eliminate released material. > That > > way, we wouldn't be downloading music illegally. If i'm not mistaken, as > > long as the material is not publically released, it's not illegal. > Although > > I could be wrong. That's just my opinion on this matter. > > > > Lesley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:42:28 -0400 From: "Lindsay" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music I agree with you guys. But I usually do download unreleased stuff. It's no different from trading bootlegs (am I wrong?). Unfortunately, it would be pretty difficult to make a piece of software to eliminate or reduce the DLing or released music to the point where it's no big deal. I'm a pretty big computer geek (ha?) so I can definitely say there are countless ways to get around things like that. They pretty much shutdown Napster and a few others, however, that's only a few of hundreds of p2p and other file sharing clients. Basically, it would be nearly impossible to completely stop the illegal downloading since it starts with ripping CDs and people can make a strong argument for having or wanting to do so (making copies for the car, ripping to listen on the comp, having an actual mp3 player or mp3/cd player... msot DVD players can play MP3s now, too.). People swap on mIRC, ICQ, AOL, etc. also. So there's the music industry's dilemma in a nutshell (or maybe that wasn't short enough for a nutshell). I guess we'll just have to rely on people's morals/hope they can scrape together enough cash if they like the cd enough (for now until someone brilliant comes up with something great). basically, I'm saying it's a real problem because it's not an easy thing to control. Lindsay - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel's take on downloading music > Hey angels, > I agree with Jason, although there is something I would like to ad to > that. I think most of the songs that are downloaded off of programs like > that are unreleased songs. At least in my case they are. Not only that, I > may download songs off of her new album before it is released but I still go > pay the ridiculous amounts for it at record stores when it is released. In > my opinion, I think the best way to get rid of this problem is for the record > stores and labels to work on lowering the price of the CDs. I mean you know > damn well it doesn't cost anywhere from $13 - $20 to make a CD. And who's > going to pay that much for a CD when you can make it on your computer for > less than a dollar. One other option is for these music downloading programs > is to use some sort of filter that would eliminate released material. That > way, we wouldn't be downloading music illegally. If i'm not mistaken, as > long as the material is not publically released, it's not illegal. Although > I could be wrong. That's just my opinion on this matter. > > Lesley ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #442 ***************************