From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #405 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, September 4 2002 Volume 07 : Number 405 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V7 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] NJC The Avril Award Bit... ["Stacey Hamilton" ] [EDA] awards shows speech parameters ["Stacey Hamilton" ] [EDA] to bash or not to bash ["Stacey Hamilton" ] Re: [EDA] njc: jason mraz ["Lindsay" ] [EDA] JEWEL'S GUIDE TO BUMBERSHOOT ["FabioJJ" ] [EDA] Re: to bash or not to bash [Mc1Starr2000@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:27:54 -0600 From: "Stacey Hamilton" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC The Avril Award Bit... I didn't notice that nor have heard anything like that. She's a sweetheart. But she can't help it if others are jealous of her...I mean, I guess I can't blame them but they don't need to be trash talking about her. And this list has WAY too many highly sensitive people on it. Some of you really need to chill out in a big way. Things aren't always going to go your way but you don't have to bash and trash people cause of that. Just take a deep breath and DEAL. Or even better, don't respond at all if you don't have anything nice to say. I just sent in a short one paragraph post last week about the VMA's, with like one or maybe 2 sentences about Avril in it, and most of what resulted was a bunch of trash talk about her. If you don't like her then don't post about her. Don't take up your time talking about someone you don't even like. I mean really people, think some about what you're doing. Using your energy, time and effort to bash other artists. Try doing something productive for once. >Did anyone notice how Avril brushed off Kelly from American Idol's hug? I >thought it was really rude, like she was too good for her. And afterwards, >supposedly she said that she doesn't have to hug anyone, she doesn't owe >anyone a hug and it wasn't in any contract. I mean, it's not like Avril's >been around that long and is this huge name where she could feel like she's >too good for people like Kelly. I don't want to start anything but I was a >little confused when I saw Avril do that.. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:52:24 -0700 From: "Melissa" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC The Avril Award Bit... From: "Stacey Hamilton" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC The Avril Award Bit... > Or even better, don't respond at all if you don't have anything nice to say. > I just sent in a short one paragraph post last week about the VMA's, with > like one or maybe 2 sentences about Avril in it, and most of what resulted > was a bunch of trash talk about her. If you don't like her then don't post > about her. Don't take up your time talking about someone you don't even > like. I mean really people, think some about what you're doing. Using your > energy, time and effort to bash other artists. Try doing something > productive for once. Or maybe those of you discussing more of Avril then Jewel on a JEWEL mailing list should find an AVRIL mailing list.:) Just a suggestion. I seem to see a lot more Avril posts than Jewel posts lately. It gets agitating. Especially for those who aren't fans of her. I am not trying to be rude in any way, just getting sick to death of reading about Vanessa, Michelle and Avril on a Jewel mailing list. I'm about to create a list for your guys that is about the three of them just to keep them off of here.. There should be an "OFF TOPIC" EDA mailing list because 75% of it IS off topic. Missy..:) The angel that just turned 18 and who a JEWEL Roadie was mean to :( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:41:56 -0600 From: "Stacey Hamilton" Subject: [EDA] awards shows speech parameters Awards shows have time constraints and all artists are told beforehand to limit their speeches. With the VMA's being Avril's first major awards show and first time she's won an award, I'm sure she wanted to abide by all the rules and regulations set forth by the MTV administrators. Simply put...rather than spend all her time hugging people she doesn't even know, she probably wanted to be sure she had ample time to THANK everyone she felt helped her get to where she is today. Afterall that's what the acceptance speeches are all about...not how many people you can hug or how sincere someone's hug of a total stranger is before the first word is ever spoken. I didn't notice anything rude on her part at all. I really think some people are reading way too much into minute details. I saw her give an awesome speech for it being her first time in that postition. Thanking those who've supported her, including HER FANS. So don't diss her for not liking the fans and being too good for them because they don't have record contracts, because she thanked them in front of millions of viewers worldwide. And her speech was better than many other more established artists were that night. I thought she did really well. If you want to talk about artists with an attitude and who can act stuck up at times, how about our beloved Jewel? She would win hands down any attitude contest between her and Avril. > Last, if Avril's too good for people who aren't signed (like her >fans >for example!) then she's not someone that I can respect. I just wanted to >bring up the Avril/Kelly/hug incident because people were praising Avril >for >winning the award and everything. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:02:34 -0700 From: "Melissa" Subject: Re: [EDA] awards shows speech parameters CAN WE PLEASE STOP ALREADY?! This is getting ridiculous. Let's take the conversaiton to private email, everyone. PLEASE. Melissa L'angelo di Plumeria http://sirpsychosxy.diaryland.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacey Hamilton" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:41 AM Subject: [EDA] awards shows speech parameters > > Awards shows have time constraints and all artists are told beforehand to > limit their speeches. With the VMA's being Avril's first major awards show > and first time she's won an award, I'm sure she wanted to abide by all the > rules and regulations set forth by the MTV administrators. Simply > put...rather than spend all her time hugging people she doesn't even know, > she probably wanted to be sure she had ample time to THANK everyone she felt > helped her get to where she is today. Afterall that's what the acceptance > speeches are all about...not how many people you can hug or how sincere > someone's hug of a total stranger is before the first word is ever spoken. > I didn't notice anything rude on her part at all. I really think some > people are reading way too much into minute details. > I saw her give an awesome speech for it being her first time in that > postition. Thanking those who've supported her, including HER FANS. > So don't diss her for not liking the fans and being too good for them > because they don't have record contracts, because she thanked them in front > of millions of viewers worldwide. And her speech was better than many other > more established artists were that night. I thought she did really well. > If you want to talk about artists with an attitude and who can act stuck up > at times, how about our beloved Jewel? She would win hands down any > attitude contest between her and Avril. > > > > > Last, if Avril's too good for people who aren't signed (like her > >fans > >for example!) then she's not someone that I can respect. I just wanted to > >bring up the Avril/Kelly/hug incident because people were praising Avril > >for > >winning the award and everything. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:51:02 EDT From: Mc1Starr2000@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC The Avril Award Bit... In a message dated 9/4/2002 2:28:18 AM Central Daylight Time, stacey61382@hotmail.com writes: > I didn't notice that nor have heard anything like that. She's a sweetheart. > > But she can't help it if others are jealous of her...I mean, I guess I > can't blame them but they don't need to be trash talking about her. And > this list has WAY too many highly sensitive people on it. Some of you > really need to chill out in a big way. Things aren't always going to go > your way but you don't have to bash and trash people cause of that. Just > take a deep breath and DEAL. > Or even better, don't respond at all if you don't have anything nice to > say. > I just sent in a short one paragraph post last week about the VMA's, with > > like one or maybe 2 sentences about Avril in it, and most of what resulted > was a bunch of trash talk about her. If you don't like her then don't post > > about her. Don't take up your time talking about someone you don't even > like. I mean really people, think some about what you're doing. Using > your > energy, time and effort to bash other artists. Try doing something > productive for once. It's called a discussion. And if the list can spend so much time talking about her and praising her, then we all have a right to share our opinions too. I don't know what you consider bashing, but I merely brought up her rude actions at the VMAs because somebody, probably you, wrote about them and how happy you are that she won. So, please, if you really feel that way, don't talk about her in the first place on a Jewel list, and maybe those of us that feel differently won't feel the need to give our opinions. And criticizing can be more "productive" than praising. If we are going to discuss other artists on the list, I'd personally love to hear everyone's thoughts, not just the people who like the artist. I learn more from the people that disagree than those that just always agree. - -Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:20:55 -0400 From: "Jodi Damon" Subject: [EDA] ANY New Wild West show Hello Angels, I am just writing to beg if anyone has ANY recording of ANY new weild west show to please email me priavately. I live in Ohio so I have not been able to go to any shows. But I love to hear her acoustic and I know they usually record well acoustic. I have a LOT of shows to offer and pictures. I will also send blanks and $$ if so desired. PLEASE help to satisfy my longing to hear Jewel acoustic. Thanks. Love, Jodi The Song Gathering Angel _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:58:36 -0600 From: "Stacey Hamilton" Subject: [EDA] to bash or not to bash >It's called a discussion. And if the list can spend so much time >talking >about her and praising her, then we all have a right to share >our opinions >too. - -------------- There's nothing wrong with discussion, but in the past when people started saying negative things about artists, whether it's Jewel or not, then things flare up as you've witnessed the past few days. So it's probably best not to say anything negative about another artist or the same thing is always going to happen. Just swallow your pride and don't reply. Or even better, don't read the posts you know don't have anything to do with Jewel if that's all you're interested in. Look for the NJC. If someone accidently leaves it off then just stop reading the post once you see it isn't about Jewel. I do that with alot of posts that aren't about something I care about. >I don't know what you consider bashing, but I merely brought up her >rude actions at the VMAs because somebody, probably you, wrote about >them >and how happy you are that she won. - ------------- The above is what I consider bashing, as defined by most of the world. >So, please, if you really feel that way, don't talk about her in the >first >place on a Jewel list, and maybe those of us that feel >differently won't >feel the need to give our opinions. - ------------ This isn't the answer. We are encouraged to talk about other artists. We are discouraged to bash other artists. I can't stand many of the artists people mention alot on here...yet I don't sit here and bash them all the time like some of the others do with Avril and others. It could just be the differences in the maturity level of the fans associated with those other artists but I really don't know. But I'm not going to say someone sucks even if I think they do cause I know it's going to cause problems on here. I wish others would be considerate in that way as well. All I said was I was happy she won the award. That's it. I also said I thought Shakira did well performing, but it's funny I haven't seen one post bashing her. Why not? Cause more of you like her? That's what I don't get. It's ok to talk about people the majority like, but it's not ok to talk about people many of you don't like. If you don't like someone, that's fine. There's alot of artists I don't like too. But save the bashing for somewhere else. Call up a friend and vent to them if that helps. >I learn more from the people that disagree than those that just >always >agree. - ------------- That's great, but an e-mail list isn't the place to carry out those heated discussions. ~Stacey~ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:10:52 -0400 From: "Lindsay" Subject: Re: [EDA] njc: jason mraz it's pronounced like.. "Mah-raz" - --Lindsay - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: [EDA] njc: jason mraz > i know tons of you are also mraz fans and i haven't really heard much from > him yet. i DLed "so unusual" off the site and i think it's awesome. just > wondering what other songs you guys really like and how "so unusual" stacks > up to the rest of his stuff. > > and one more thing.. it's pronounced just like it's spelled, right (mraz)? =P > > emily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:06:08 -0300 From: "FabioJJ" Subject: [EDA] JEWEL'S GUIDE TO BUMBERSHOOT Yeah... you guys have to check this out!! really funny, although they bash Jewel hehe... Anyway, pretty mean stuff but can be fun if you want :-) Fabio + http://www.jewel.com.br | Jewel Brasil FC + + http://www.geocities.com/fabiojj/sarahlink + + the groove is in the heart | in the heart + ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:06:36 EDT From: Mc1Starr2000@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: to bash or not to bash In a message dated 9/4/2002 1:59:04 PM Central Daylight Time, stacey61382@hotmail.com writes: > >It's called a discussion. And if the list can spend so much time >talking > >about her and praising her, then we all have a right to share >our > opinions > >too. > -------------- > There's nothing wrong with discussion, but in the past when people started > saying negative things about artists, whether it's Jewel or not, then > things > flare up as you've witnessed the past few days. > So it's probably best not to say anything negative about another artist or > the same thing is always going to happen. Just swallow your pride and > don't > reply. Or even better, don't read the posts you know don't have anything > to > do with Jewel if that's all you're interested in. Look for the NJC. If > someone accidently leaves it off then just stop reading the post once you > see it isn't about Jewel. I do that with alot of posts that aren't about > something I care about. > > >I don't know what you consider bashing, but I merely brought up her > >rude actions at the VMAs because somebody, probably you, wrote about >them > > >and how happy you are that she won. > ------------- > The above is what I consider bashing, as defined by most of the world. > > >So, please, if you really feel that way, don't talk about her in the > > first > >place on a Jewel list, and maybe those of us that feel >differently won't > >feel the need to give our opinions. > ------------ > This isn't the answer. We are encouraged to talk about other artists. We > are discouraged to bash other artists. I can't stand many of the artists > people mention alot on here...yet I don't sit here and bash them all the > time like some of the others do with Avril and others. > It could just be the differences in the maturity level of the fans > associated with those other artists but I really don't know. But I'm not > going to say someone sucks even if I think they do cause I know it's going > to cause problems on here. I wish others would be considerate in that way > as well. All I said was I was happy she won the award. That's it. I also > > said I thought Shakira did well performing, but it's funny I haven't seen > one post bashing her. Why not? Cause more of you like her? That's what I > > don't get. It's ok to talk about people the majority like, but it's not ok > > to talk about people many of you don't like. If you don't like someone, > that's fine. There's alot of artists I don't like too. But save the > bashing for somewhere else. Call up a friend and vent to them if that > helps. > > >I learn more from the people that disagree than those that just >always > >agree. > ------------- > That's great, but an e-mail list isn't the place to carry out those heated > discussions. > ~Stacey~ > Stacey, First of all, I didn't know you were the moderator and my "bashing" Avril wasn't half as offensive as what you've written to me. I don't appreciate it when people try to make others feel stupid and that is exactly what you are doing. You can have your opinions about what should and shouldn't be said about your favorite artists but I do not agree with them. Avril is already a controversial artist, unlike Shakira and people are going to reply to statements you or anyone makes, whether yours are positive or negative. It's not fair to me or any of us if only positive things are written on this list. The list will become somewhat dull and no one will ever be able to hear the flip side of anything. Giving someone only positive promotion is like lying. You can't make someone appear flawless. Because people then become brainwashed with the idea that we have to be perfect to be worthy. And you shouldn't block out all the bad things you hear about your favorite artists because then you are admiring them blindly and contributing to their wealth and popularity when they could be really bad people. Not that Avril is. I wouldn't know and to be honest, neither would you. Which is why both the good and bad characteristics in someone should be brought up so that we can all make better decisions. I still haven't made a decision as to the way I feel about Avril. However, I can only make my decision on facts about her and the way she presents herself and statements she makes. Back to your bashing idea. Do not define a word for the rest of the world before you check with the rest of the world first. My post had very little opinion and I don't think was at all inappropriate. Instead, I wrote about something I noticed. The dictionary definition for bash is: 1 : to strike violently : HIT; also : to injure or damage by striking : SMASH b often used with in 2 : to attack physically or verbally And I did neither of those two things. I wouldn't call my post an attack. However, if you consider that bashing, then prepare for many arguments in your life. I would never intentionally bash an artist on this list. And if you took it that way, I'm sorry. But I am not sorry for my post. I don't even think my post was that negative. And I never once said that she sucks. Her music and talent wasn't even mentioned in my post. And maybe instead of blaming me or writing me about my posts, you should talk to the people who are flaring up over harmless posts. Another thing, Avril has been known to bash herself. I'm talking about her comments on Britney Spears. But that isn't really pertinent to the argument. I didn't say I disliked Avril or that she is a bad person or singer or anything. So I don't know what it is that you're flaring up about. Also, don't tell me to do something productive because I don't consider writing positive statements exactly productive either. I believe in freedom of speech but I don't believe in being rude. Mike did not email me and tell me that I was out of line. And I think that if I was, he would let me know. I'm glad that you like Avril and that you are a fan. And I'm fine with the fact that a lot of other people out there love her too. But I will never be okay with someone who chooses to ignore reality. I'll generally keep my mouth shut though if that is what they want to do. Avril doesn't need defense and her attitude shows that she doesn't care what other people think of her anyway. I don't think you replied because you were so concerned about bashing on this list. I think your reply was more about pride and defending your favorite artists. This is not a news list and its not a "happy, positive, uplifting only" list either. I will only post negatively about an artist that has already been posted about. And when I say negative, I don't mean bashing or rude. And although, I'm sure we'd all like a peaceful list, controversy is what gets people to write in and stay interested. Controversy sells and opinions should not be oppressed. I am not only interested in Jewel which is why I read the Avril posts and respond. And if you aren't interested in our opinions and negative posts, then maybe you should just ignore them. Thank you for your responses. I don't mean to be rude and I have nothing against you personally, I just disagree with some of your ideas. I think it would be best if we kept these emails private from now on but if you think the whole list should hear your ideas, then that is fine too. - -Tanya ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #405 ***************************