From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #168 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, April 21 2002 Volume 07 : Number 168 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V7 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] REQUEST "BREAK ME!!!!!!!!"/request website [shawneyeda@juno.com] [EDA] Break Me-please read [SullMa84@aol.com] [EDA] Forcing Hits! [Wesllow@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Break Me - big trouble [S1L2U3T@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: singles [Ray Wong ] Re: [EDA] NJC:listen to Vanessa Carlton's cd ["Stacey Hamilton" ] [EDA] Jewel and a band [LoLLingIMer@aol.com] [EDA] UK MANCHESTER GIG ["Aaron Dixon-Cave" ] [EDA] NJC: M2M [Chrissypfi@wmconnect.com] [EDA] NJC: M2M (again) [Chrissypfi@wmconnect.com] [EDA] Re: singles [Minh Duong ] [EDA] Jewelfans willing to join me to GERMANY [Michiel van Gorkum ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:18:03 -0400 From: shawneyeda@juno.com Subject: [EDA] REQUEST "BREAK ME!!!!!!!!"/request website i know we can get them to start playing it on the radio and everywhere else, i mean didn't we help a lot w/ getting "SS" on the radio? and didn't people get some good responses from djs? so everyone start requesting it, cause i know we can do it. anyway, what was that website that someone had of all the stations and email addresses? love ya, shawney the hippie angel "But I'm lost to you now, and there's no amount of reason that could save me.So break me, take me, just let me fill your arms again."- Jewel "So leave out the others baby, say I'm the only one."- Pete Yorn "Cause you know I'd walk a thousand miles if I could just see you tonight.It's always times like these when I think of you, and I wonder if you ever think of me."- Vanessa Carlton ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:47:17 EDT From: SullMa84@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Break Me-please read Everyone is talking about how break me is a big flop. Well here in Milwaukee they didn't start playing SS until after x-mas, and now it is played like every our on two of our stations. Hopefully break me will just take a while to hit. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:14:56 EDT From: Wesllow@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Forcing Hits! hi people, i think its kinda silly how we are trying to force jewels new singles to be hits, personally i love both songs, and i would love for them to be hits but sometimes it just doesn't happen...its kinda getting to where jewel is becoming very trite and maybe force-fed to the public, and they're fickle enough already think standing still was an ok release...who knows with Break me .. only time will tell. I still think someone should fire a few people from Atlantic...poor Jewel is being treated like a cow .. about to be put out to pasture...all the exposure she's been getting is very strange and .. even though they try they just suck at it ... maybe they just need to let things progress naturally...perhaps do something unexpected and release a song no one expect to be a single like maybe serve the ego or cleveland....I would hate Jewel to become someone who hates the music biz even more after this record, and from seeing recent statements on shows like "Last call" she seems to be worrying about people calling in and basically just becoming a marketing tool ohh and just to add...the break Me video isn't as bad as that New No Doubt video...Gwen's hair has gotta go -ick! hehe - byea!~ Wes ~The Redstick Indigo Angel~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:32:09 EDT From: S1L2U3T@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Break Me - big trouble Mirko rocks!!! You summed it all up almost perfectedly. Bravo, I completely agree. People need to let Jewel be Jewel, that's what makes her so beautiful. That's why I like my angelfood better than the CDs. That's why I live for her acoustic concerts. She is best on her own. Gotta love her! Annie - -the wishful angel- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 06:46:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Ray Wong Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: singles > Almost no established artists release singles in the US anymore. It's > basically a dead market - nobody buys them period. Many people blame online > trading of music for the death of the singles market. Oh, some people would blame online trading of music for terrorism if they thought it might work. Singles sales have been declining since the 1970s. All you have to look at is the RIAA changes in requirements for awards (gold/platinum/multi) to notice that they've been revising the standards downward for years. The reason singles are selling less is because the greedy music industry has been charging 6 bucks for one song. It costs less than 2c to press a CD in quantity, and most artists don't make jack squat in royalties for singles. When they mark singles down to 99c or whatever to promote certain artists, they sell plenty (but the quantities aren't considered "legit" since they're discounted). Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl at best.com, negativl at rayw.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:43:11 -0600 From: "Stacey Hamilton" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC:listen to Vanessa Carlton's cd I second this. She's amazing! - ------------------------- >From: shawneyeda@juno.com > >i just listened to her new cd and it so so awesome!!!!! there was only >one song on it that i didn't really like and it was the second song. the >last two songs are great! i recommend everyone to listen to it. it comes >out april 30th, but u can listen to the whole cd here: > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 03:53:39 EDT From: DixieJewelAngel@aol.com Subject: [EDA] eda shirts Hey, i lost the link for the shirts can someone send it to me please thanks *xx* ():) ~The *Dixie* Angel~ ~*~mIcHeLe mAnDeViLLe~*~ Don't ever give away what you can't take back~Jewel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listen to Jewel Break Me Here http://www2.fanscape.com/jewel/emails/breakmefriend.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Christy Subject: [EDA] Break Me - big trouble "I don't see why people think an upbeat single will do well in the radio... just because it's upbeat." I agree with Mirko on this one. So many of Jewel's singles have been slow songs. Of course, something different might attract people's attention more. I love "Break Me" but I do think it was a mistake 1.) to wait so long to put it out and 2.) to put out another "weepy ballad" out on the air waves. If people saw what she was capable of, i.e. "Serve the Ego," "LMJLMA," "SIBTW," they might have more interest in her stuff and play it more. I hope they put another single out and fast. I don't know why they wait so long, when so many other artists' singles are out right away. That can be a mistake, but in this case they need to do something... Christy the Tattoed angel ** I got my 4th tattoo Saturday. It's a band on my left arm: a partial staff and musical notes. It rocks!! :) ===== "Lend your voices only to sounds of freedom." -- Jewel Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 06:03:00 EDT From: LoLLingIMer@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Jewel and a band Hi, y'all. Wow it's been awhile since I posted. Yikes, I still haven't seen the Break Me Video, but I sure hear y'all talk about it enough (how much it supposedly sucks and stuff, LoL). I tried to catch it on Insomniac Music Theatre a couple nights, but I fell asleep, oops. Well I'll try again tonight, since I'm all pie eyed. One things for sure, it certainly won't be on Cardio Video, heehee. Hey, I hadn't even heard the remix until tonight when I set up the audio for a band that was playing at the Mohegan Sun Casino. It was the NLL (National Lacrosse League) dinner and party gearing up for the big all star game tomorrow which takes place at the arena at the Casino. Well anyway, I handled all the A/V for this group and they gave me some CD's to play while they were talking and having dinner. The CD's were really good and they had all kinds of new versions of songs being played on the radio currently. Anything from rock to pop. As I was mingling with the crowd I heard Break Me come on, and it was the remix! Cool I thought so I finally got to hear what all the hoopla was about. I thought it was well done, but ya know I still haven't seen the video. Right when the song was over the guest speaker was going on so right at the fade I cued the podium mic, it was perfect. I know I know REAL exciting, right? OK well you read this far you might as well finish, LoL. I asked the group contact where she got the CD's since all the songs were remixes and all pretty good. She said she's on a mailing list and they send her all kinds of music. It's funny I was kind of hoping she'd forget them and leave them in my disc changer. Then the best part of the evening came when I met a guy that was with the band who told me after a brief converstaion said he could get me backstage for any of the local venues I wanted. So I'm a try to get backstage and meet Jewel when she tours here locally. My boss has mad connections and he already got me front row for the local venues. So I'll be up close and personal already, I can't even wait! So if I get backstage and meet her I will surely let you all know how it went. Phew. Well I guess I had a lot to make up for since I rarely post. Just thought I'd share my night with you guys. Hope you liked my little story. Take care. LoL "I won't walk away" PS I got my EDA shirt, thanks a bunch. Peace ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:21:40 +0000 From: "Aaron Dixon-Cave" Subject: [EDA] UK MANCHESTER GIG hi this is the first time i have posted to this list in a LONG time! I just wanted to share my excitement at booking my tickets to see jewel again! i went to see her at glasgow city halls on the spirit tour and have been waiting since. Who is the support for the tour? does anyone know? Also, does anyone have any idea of anywhere to stay in Manchester which is relatively cheap and close to the Appollo?? Many Thanks :-) Aaron, Angel of The North _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:10:44 EDT From: Chrissypfi@wmconnect.com Subject: [EDA] NJC: M2M Did someone already mention that M2M is hosting this years pantene Pro-voice competition? Sorry if someone did. I just read it and thought it was interesting. - --Chrissy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:13:24 EDT From: Chrissypfi@wmconnect.com Subject: [EDA] NJC: M2M (again) I also just read that they too have a street team-- looks like Atlantic is trying to market them with the same tactics as Jewel. - -- Chrissy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:20:23 -0500 From: Minh Duong Subject: [EDA] Re: singles I don't know if online trading is the predominant reason for the death of singles. Record companies stop selling singles in the US long before Napster and its kind were even conceived. And the US is not the only place in the world that has internet, and I think that Gnutella was started in Europe. Being a pessimist, I think its because the record companies realized that can make more money by forcing people to buy the whole album instead of the 1 or 2 singles that they would have bought. >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:06:25 EDT >From: Fredsteve@aol.com >Subject: [EDA] Re: singles > >Almost no established artists release singles in the US anymore. It's >basically a dead market - nobody buys them period. Many people blame online >trading of music for the death of the singles market. > >Steve > > >> How come they rarely release Jewel singles for purchass in the US. We are >> always hearing how this single and this single and this single by Jewel is >> being released in Europe and Japan and all that, and hey, throw on some >> live >> tracks too! So when people in the US want one, they have to pay $20 for it >> cause its an import? What are they thinking at atlantic? Maybe if people >> could actually but her singles they might do better. >> >> Just a thought! >> Buh bye! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 05:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michiel van Gorkum Subject: [EDA] Jewelfans willing to join me to GERMANY hello Jewelfans, I have three concert tickets for Jewel in Germany and Brussel available. I hope that any fan from Europe is willing to join me to see Jewel in Germany in may. the first concert is 13th of may in stuttgart the second concert is 14th of may in frankfurt and the last one is 15th of may in brussel. i hope that any fan is willing to join me will email me privately or i will start to sell them elsewhere! greetings, michiel Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:59:42 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] No Jewel Singles in US! At 03:11 AM 4/20/02, SullMa84@aol.com wrote: >How come they rarely release Jewel singles for purchass in the US. We are >always hearing how this single and this single and this single by Jewel is >being released in Europe and Japan and all that, and hey, throw on some live >tracks too! So when people in the US want one, they have to pay $20 for it >cause its an import? What are they thinking at atlantic? Below is the article I posted a few weeks back that pretty much answers this question as to why Jewel's record company hasn't released her recent singles for sale as singles in North America - Mike :-) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:11:21 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: [EDA] NJC: Music industry killing off the single This certainly can be regarded as the reason Standing Still and now Break Me were not released as a single in North America (whereas most, if not all, of Jewel's previous releases were). - Mike **************************************** Whatever happened to the single? Unpopular with record companies, unknown by many record buyers NEW YORK (AP) -- The first time you entered a music store, chances are it was because there was one song you had to have. Maybe it was "I Want to Hold Your Hand" by the Beatles, or Marvin Gaye's "I Heard it Through the Grapevine." Perhaps you obsessed over "Night Fever" by the Bee Gees, "Hungry Like the Wolf" by Duran Duran or 'N Sync's "Bye Bye Bye." These days, finding that song -- without buying many more you don't want -- is becoming increasingly difficult. The music industry is killing off the single. Once the backbone of the business, singles sales totaled 31 million last year, down a whopping 41 percent from 2000, according to Soundscan. It's believed to be the lowest sales figure since the late 1940s, when singles were introduced on vinyl. Singles aren't even made for many of the most popular songs because music companies think they're so unprofitable. Among Billboard magazine's 40 most popular songs the week of February 23, only five were available as singles on compact disc. Eighteen were on sale just as vinyl records. Seventeen songs, including Creed's "My Sacrifice," No Doubt's "Hey Baby," Enrique Iglesias' "Hero" and Alanis Morissette's "Hands Clean," were only available if you bought a full album. Record retailers complain this alienates fans, particularly young ones, by forcing them to spend more than they want or -- worse yet -- retrieve songs online. "I think they're losing a whole generation of record buyers," said Carl Rosenbaum, chief executive of Top Hits, a Buffalo Grove, Illinois, company that supplies music to 15,000 stores nationwide. "You either have to steal it off the Internet or you just don't buy it at all," he said. "The other option is to buy a full CD for $18. If you're just introducing yourself to an act, you don't want to do that. It's hard to figure out what their thinking is." Music executives, in turn, blame retailers for discounting singles so heavily it's impossible to make money. "We can't work it out," said Val Azzoli, co-chairman of the Atlantic Group of record labels. "We're not an industry that works together." ** Debate about influence If the single dies altogether, the beginning of the end can be traced a decade back to the start of Soundscan, which provided the first precise measurements of music sales. Executives who long suspected that singles cut into sales of the more profitable full-length CDs now had evidence to back that up, said Jordan Katz, senior vice president of sales at Arista Records. There's some debate about the extent to which that's true, though. Bob Higgins, chief executive of the Albany, New York-based Trans World Entertainment, which owns 950 music stores, said he believes singles hurt album sales in only about 15 percent of the cases. Nickelback's "Silver Side Up" album is currently in the top 10, seemingly unhurt by the CD single for the song "How You Remind Me." And Santana sold boatloads of its most recent album despite a succession of singles, he said. In the late 1990s, there was a brief period when record companies put singles by singers like Mariah Carey on sale for a money-losing 49 cents, artificially boosting sales to secure flashy chart debuts. To avoid manipulations of its charts, Billboard changed the way it computed the Top 40 to reflect radio airplay as well as sales. Therefore, it was possible to have a hit "single" without a song ever being released as a single. CD singles, which usually have two or three songs, generally retail for between $3 and $4. Many retailers routinely discount them by 50 percent or more, Azzoli said. And there are still music companies that encourage this by secretly giving singles away to retailers to inflate sales, he said. "If I could get $5 a single and sell a million of them, hey, there's a business there," Azzoli said. ** Vinyl nostalgia The demise of the single means more of music's romance is disappearing, just like when colorful album covers were replaced by tiny CD booklets. In a song being released this spring, Elvis Costello waxes nostalgic about collecting stacks of 45s (a phrase already consigned to history, since it refers to the number of revolutions a 7-inch disc made each minute on a turntable). "Nine-year-old puts his money down," he sings. "Every scratch, every click, every heartbeat. Every breath that I held for you." Music companies recognize the danger, but "their short-term motivation is to get as much profit as possible," said Ed Christman, retail editor at Billboard. "The fact that young kids aren't buying records is a long-term worry." It's not easy to find the section where singles are sold at the Virgin megastore in New York's Times Square. Walk past the display of top albums, go down the escalator and wander to the dance section in a back corner. It's close to where Jeannie Imperati of North Haven, Connecticut, was grumbling one recent day when she took her 15-year-old son shopping. "I'll spend $100 on CDs just so he can get one song out of each of them," she said. Her friend, John Cas, said he found the lack of choices in the singles section frustrating. "Most of the CDs have only one good song out of a dozen," he said. "At 18 or 20 bucks a pop, you want to be able to enjoy the whole CD." The space that music stores used to devote to singles is dwindling, or disappearing altogether. One worry for Rosenbaum's Top Hits is that the chains he supplies with music, like Eckerd Drugs, may simply use the space for non-music products. Now he's distributing golf balls as well as music. At Arista, Katz is sensitive to concerns on both sides and is among executives experimenting with ways to make more singles available, though maybe not in the way many consumers would want. In some cases, singles are made available before an album's release but pulled from stores when the album comes out. Arista also makes singles for songs after they have cooled off as a hit. Pink's "Get the Party Started," currently in Billboard's Top 10, isn't a CD single now but may be in a couple of months. Labels are also experimenting more with so-called maxi-singles. They may contain five or six songs -- often different remixes of the same song -- and are sold for between $7 and $8. The cost of manufacturing them are similar to regular singles, so profits are higher. Some artists also release DVD singles with a video included with the music. "We have to get kids in the habit of buying music," Katz said. "I'm trying to figure out innovative ways to have singles and albums co-exist." - - The Associated Press. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #168 ***************************