From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #44 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, January 22 2002 Volume 07 : Number 044 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] Jewel Scar on life uncommon movie ["Kevin Douglas" ] Re: [EDA] NEW BOOK OF POEMS? ["cymbaline" ] RE: [EDA] vh1 thing/stage presence/scar ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] Re:[EDA] Jewel Scar on life uncommon movie [Francois Cartegnie Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel Scar on life uncommon movie Yeah, I, too, thought this was in pretty poor taste. I'm glad it hasn't generated that much discussion, much to the credit of this list. Kevin >From: ChrissyPf1@aol.com >To: jewel@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel Scar on life uncommon movie >Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:30:36 EST > >There is a line between Jewel fan and a psychotic obsession and I think >that >it has just been crossed. >I personally believe that the fact that someone went to all of the trouble >to >make a whole website about a little scar under Jewel's arm is crazy. If I >were Jewel-- it would freak me out that this is even being considered for >discussion. > >-- Chrissy _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:07:17 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] Jewel Scar on life uncommon movie In defense of the person who originally wrote that post, I really don't see what the big deal is. They aren't even the ones who first spotted the scar. And as far as time goes, to make that web page I would bet took *maybe* 30 minutes. I don't know for sure, but based on the complexity of it, I think that's a fair guess. I know some people spend more time than that on a single e-mail to the list. So the time thing shouldn't even be an issue. You can say the topic itself is weird, but not really. When others talk about her chest, or her hair, or her makeup, or when she's on her period, talking about a scar isn't that big of deal. I mean, everyone even talks about her crooked tooth...so she has another imperfection. Guess what? Maybe she's a real person afterall and not the super being many make her out to be. So she may have had surgery (be it medical or cosmetic, or both), or maybe it's some birthmark (although not likely), but I really didn't see that webpage as being the result of an obsessed fan. Those webpages are all over the web right now...ya know, the typical "fan" sites people spend hours a day, every day, every month, every year, working on. THOSE are the people who are really obsessed. Not a one time thing like this was. I though it was really interesting...about the most fascinating thing I've read on the list in the past few months...well, other than some of the things I write about of course. :-) Derrick --------------------------- > I, too, thought this was in pretty poor taste. I'm glad it hasn't > generated > that much discussion, much to the credit of this list. > > Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:16:32 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] vh1 thing/stage presence/scar Just wanted to comment on 3 things that I read in posts today: Firstly the VH1 100 Greatest Women in Rock or whatever it is. Just a response to Derrick's post - Jewel may not be revolutionary, but the category was not "100 most revolutionary" it was 100 greatest. If you don't think that Jewel (even at what you consider to be her creative prime) is one of the 100 greatest women in contemporary music then I REALLY don't know what you're doing on this list. Furthermore, you make it sound like it's a BAD thing that Jewel hasn't started her own record company. Most artists are signed to major labels, and don't have their own record company. Besides we all know that Jewel's preference is the music side and not the business - she's a musician not a businesswoman for the most part. That's fine by me. Oh, and I dont' mean this as offence to anybody who loves ani (especially Scott!) - but I know somebody who worked on a documentary about her and her record company, and supposedly the company is run by a bunch of men who basically push her around, and she makes none of the decisions herself. She's just the frontwoman, and a pawn. Do you call that revolutionary? I think not. Now I know it's possible my friend was lying - however she was a HUGE fan and was so dissapointed by this because she considered Ani a huge rolemodel.... so I don't think she'd lie considering it UPSET her to know about this. Secondly - stage presence. I think Jewel has more stage presence than anybody I've ever seen in concert. The definition of stage presence is being ABLE to just stand there and hold and audience totally captive and totally rapt. One of the most amazing moments I've ever seen in concert was Jewel singing Absence of Fear to a sold out crowd in Toronto, and not hearing a SINGLE peep out of any members of the audience. "Walking around" isn't stage presence... it's walking around. I think Jewel has tremendous stage presence in both her interactions with the crowd.. no matter how small or big they are, and in the emotion she puts into her performance and singing. You can tell how much she feels a song when she sings it. She owns the song, and she owns the stage. That's just my opinion, obviously... but that's how I feel when I see her. Gwen Stefani also captures a crowds attention in concert... but she has to run around the stage and get all the guys and girls in the crowd to scream separately in order to do it. Jewel does it just by standing stationary on the stage, and singing. She does it with her music and her voice - that's stage presence. Derrick - if you don't think Jewel, who's greatest asset is clearly her live show, has stage presence... WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THIS LIST? And finally the scar thing - WOAH.. that's weird that somebody would actually go to such lengths to expose something like that. Although it's also kind of strange that the people editing the tape actually BLURRED the thing out. It's probably a birth mark, but the fact that they blurred it out makes me somewhat suspiscious... although it seems WAY to high to be something from a breast operation - usually they cut in a very inconspicuous place for something like that cause the idea is for people not to be able to see it. I feel kinda creepy just talking about this actually. So I'll stop. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:54:54 -0600 From: "Rachel DeSchepper" Subject: Re: [EDA] stage presence derrick-- point blank question-- do you even like Jewel? i don't want a run-around answer that you are infamous for-- i'm not saying you have to have some adoring infatuation, i just don't get the feeling that you like anything about her (which raises the question as to why you are here...) just curious-- yes or no (because you have an ODD way of showing it if you do) ~Rachel~ the "I am not size six, my legs are not skinny as sticks and dammit, someone's got to pay" angel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out my LiveJournal at http://www.livejournal.com/~rachkat926/ "How true it is that words are but vague shadows of the volumes we mean." Theodore Dreiser >From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." >To: "'Jewel list'" >Subject: [EDA] stage presence >Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:35:30 -0600 > >Jewel has stage presence? Maybe everyone's definition of this word varies. >She mostly just stands in one place all the time. Sometimes she walks >around some, but not alot. I don't define that as "stage presence". She's >on stage, yeah, that's about it though. I think of it as more of an >attitude. "Owning" the stage in a way. >Drawing attention, etc. Yeah Jewel's pleasing on the eye, but after the >first few songs, no one else find themselves drifting off, or looking >around? I know I was watching people like Doug and Steve in 1999 almost as >much as Jewel. Of course with the lline-up she has now, there's not much >else to look at, so maybe that's part of the reason for the band >change...haha. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:00:00 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: [EDA] NEW BOOK OF POEMS? the paperback version of chasing down the dawn has a different cover than the hardcover. it could have been that. did the cover look like a photo from the "this way" photo shoot? cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus - ----- Original Message ----- From: Pupecki, Stacy To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 6:18 AM Subject: [EDA] NEW BOOK OF POEMS? > > on regis they showed a book of poems and other musings by jewel. is this > new? soon to be released? i had never seen it before, it wasn't a night > without armor. > > > stacy, a new angel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:06:43 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] vh1 thing/stage presence/scar > Just a response to Derrick's post - Jewel may not be revolutionary, but > the category was not "100 most revolutionary" it was 100 greatest. - -------------------- Yes I know....I was only replying to what another EDA wrote though...saying how she was more revolutionary than someone like Ani. That's where that word got brought up. > If you don't think that Jewel (even at what you consider to be her > creative prime) is one of the 100 greatest women in contemporary music > then I REALLY don't know what you're doing on this list. > So now you're saying for anyone to be on the list, one criteria is that they must think Jewel is one of the 100 greatest women? Come on, that's ridiculous. VH-1 doesn't even think this! Yet they DO play her videos don't they? > Furthermore, you make it sound like it's a BAD thing that Jewel hasn't > started her own record company. > I do? That's funny. It was just a statement. I can't help it if you think of it as something bad though. > Besides we all know that Jewel's preference is the music side and not the > business - she's a musician not a businesswoman for the most part. > Yes, Nedra takes care of the business part of it for her. :-) > Do you call that revolutionary? I think not. > I never did...I was referring to someone else though who did. > Secondly - stage presence. I think Jewel has more stage presence than > anybody I've ever seen in concert. > OK? *I* think Jewel has tremendous stage presence in both her interactions with the crowd.. no matter how small or big they are, and in the emotion she puts into her performance and singing. > She does it with her music and her voice - that's stage presence. Derrick > - if you don't think Jewel, who's greatest asset is clearly her live show, > has stage presence... WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THIS LIST? > Same thing everyone else is....participating. If you have a problem with that, then maybe you should leave. You seem very unhappy anyway. I never ask you why you're on the list, so why don't you stop asking me that...it's getting old, and very tired. I'm not going anywhere, so it won't do you any good to ask that weekly. If I hated Jewel's guts, I could still be on this list. There aren't things in the sign up process saying you have to love Jewel and you have to think she's one of the 100 greatest female artists. So get over it. > And finally the scar thing - WOAH.. that's weird that somebody would > actually > go to such lengths to expose something like that. > Who said they did? From what I read it didn't take much effort really. Maybe you read another e-mail though. It's all about your own perspective. I think you took more time and went through more to compose your letter than what that person did. > Although it's also kind of strange that the people editing the tape > actually BLURRED the thing out. It's probably a birth mark, but the fact > that they blurred it out makes me somewhat suspiscious... although it > seems WAY to high to be something from a breast operation - usually they > cut in a very inconspicuous place for something like that cause the idea > is for people not to be able to see it. > You nailed it. Now you're thinking. :-) For a breast operation, it's very likely they could have gone in that way. They also go through the navel as well...for girls who don't want any, or minimal scarring. I don't know how, but this is what I know to be true. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:18:31 -0800 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel live at Humphreys FREE on DirecTV in Feb. > Woo hoo! > > I have DirecTV if anyone is interested in a copy. I'd really like to > trade it for a copy of the I&I that was recently on. Same here... I can tape it, but I really want a copy of the I&I from December as well .... :) ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:22:48 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC: for those curious It's getting old now...people asking me why I'm on the list I mean. Not to say many have, but 2 or 3 is 2 or 3 too many. Most people should know, unless they are very new. So I'll address this to those new people since the others really have no excuse. I send more positive posts about Jewel to the list than I do negative. If you take a ratio of postive vs. negative dating back to the day I signed up, you'd have about a 90/10 split. Maybe better. But when I have something to say, I'm going to say it. The problem with many people are that they won't. Whatever the reason. If I think a Jewel performance sucked, I'm going to say it. I don't care what anyone else thinks. If you want to marry her then fine. You do that. But I'll still think the performance sucked. I think the real issue though is why so many people consistently find the time to see the negative in things, when ultimately there is far more postive in the posts I write. It's just that many don't see it as that. If I sent 10 posts in a week, and say 2 were negative somewhat...about Jewel of course, and the other 8 were postive, then what you'd see on the list as a result (since this has happened over and over again), are follow up posts consisting of *maybe* one or two commenting about the 2 positive posts I sent, agreeing or whatever, and about 50 follow ups to the 2 negative ones I wrote asking me why I don't love Jewel and why am I even on the list. So my 8/2 split was turned into a 2/50 split by everone else. See where the REAL problem is? It isn't with me...it's with those replying. Those who focus on the negative, and indulge themselves in that on a daily basis. I can't help these people. They will continue to be here no matter what I say or do. That's unfortunate. So for the newbies who may not know as much, Jewel isn't what she once was...I think most would agree. When I joined the list, she was alot better. Many reasons. Too much to get into right now. However, I've never said I hate her now. I just don't like as many things about her, and she continually seems to be outdoing herself in the "dislike" dept. But I'm not going to get off a list simply cause she isn't identical to how she was years ago...that would be ridiculous. Plus I believe in giving anyone a chance. Maybe 5 years from now she'll wake up and realize how she was in 1996. That day may come, or it may not...no one knows. So for people like Steve who ask me this question almost every day, I hope you know now...if not, then I can't help you. Seek other options. Have fun! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:43:51 -0500 From: deirdre Subject: [EDA] Re: Jewel's scar Hey Angels, I've never posted about it, but when I was at Sessions at West 54th I was very aware of the scar on Jewel's left arm. However, the scar I saw wasn't under her arm it was on top. I've always been really interested in how she got it. I was very surprised to see it when I saw her at the filming of the show because it was really visible and I had never noticed it in a picture before. I know it's kind of a silly, nosy question to ask, but I'm still interested in finding out about it. - -Deirdre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:04:01 +0100 From: Francois Cartegnie Subject: Re:[EDA] Jewel Scar on life uncommon movie >There is a line between Jewel fan and a psychotic obsession and I think that >it has just been crossed. >I personally believe that the fact that someone went to all of the trouble to >make a whole website about a little scar under Jewel's arm is crazy. If I >were Jewel-- it would freak me out that this is even being considered for >discussion. There's no psychotic obsession because It's not me who have noticed this. This is not a whole website about a little scar. It's a webpage containing the screenshots you wouldn't have in your mail. When you notice something was hidden, and you're curious, you ask. That's what I have done. If you are old enough on this list, you can remeber that people used to discuss about her crooked teeth. But this time it's so strange that I decided to point at it. The only psychotic obsessed I know are the one who have replied to me personnally with insults. As usual :( ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #44 **************************