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Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] SJC: Alanis and Natalie Imbruglia [RocketsTail@aol.com] [EDA] Jewel's "A" songs and a quick Letterman comment [SeanHooks@aol.com] RE: [EDA] NJC: Alanis and Natalie Imbruglia ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] RE: [EDA] SJC: Alanis and Natalie Imbruglia ["Karacostas, Derrick W." i think both Alanis' and Natalie's new songs suck!! sorry, but they do! You are entitled to your opinion obviously but "sorry, but they do" means "all you people who like these songs are idiots and you are not entitled to your opinion because you are wrong". I actually like Alanis' new stuff SO much better than the "Jagged Little Pill" shit that everyone copied so it got old. Natalie's new song...it's pretty good, it's better than TORN which was overplayed more than You Were Meantn For Me and that's hard to beat. So your opinion is fine but shooting down others who may actually like music you deem "suck", is just childish. -eric "why do I like you? 'Cause I do why do I like you? 'Cause I'd kill to be you" ~throwing muses ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:59:17 EST From: SeanHooks@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Jewel's "A" songs and a quick Letterman comment This is in response to the Wolf guy who posted talking about how Jewel's image and musical changes have disappointed him. He also briefly mentioned what he thought were the "A" songs off each of her studio releases. So I went back and came up with a list of my own. Here's what I found: Pieces of You: Who Will Save Your Soul, Foolish Games, Daddy, Amen Spirit: Do You This Way: Love Me Just Leave Me Alone, The New Wild West I'm a bit of a tough grader, as you can see. And note, I left off A songs that aren't As on their albums, songs like Deep Water, Down So Long, Absence of Fear, and Sometimes It Be That Way. These are all clearly A or even A+ songs, just not in their album incarnations. The two things I learned from making this list are the following. One, the majority of Jewel's A songs aren't on her albums, they're unreleased. And two, the difference between Pieces of You and Spirit/This Way is not in A songs, but in B songs. Spirit/This Way have more C and D songs and more total duds(Fs), where as Pieces of You only has 1 real dud. (I'd say Spirit has 3 and This Way has 1). And just off the top of my head, without even going through my bootlegs, I can come up with a good 10-20 A songs that most people have never heard. I think this is unfortunate and is the reason why so many people in the music community have a negative opinion of Jewel as an untalented, cliched writer who dabbles in cheesy pop girlie songs. A or A+ songs like: Carnivore, Nicotine Love, RaceCar Driver, God's Gift to Women, Emily, Jessica, Here When Gone, Moon Over Austin, Boy Needs a Bike, Satellite, Nikos, Louisa & Her Blue Guitar, the 4 non-album versions I've mentioned above, and a bunch more I'm sure I'm forgetting. Now I know that not all of those are technically "unreleased." Some are B-sides and imports. But in general, what I'm saying is I understand where the stereotypes about Jewel come from in the intelligent musical community if all they get a chance to hear is drivel like "Break Me" last night on Letterman. I mean, think about how you'd perceive that performance if you'd never heard of Jewel's music before: Some pretty girl in a tank top with blonde hair and big tits, singing about break me, take me, just let me fill your arms again. What sentimentalized, Hallmark card nonsense. Yeah, she's good looking and she's playing acoustic, which is nice to see, but her voice is full of affectations and these lyrics are cheesy as hell. Now imagine her looking the exact same way but singing RaceCar Driver, or Louisa & Her Blue Guitar. I'm sure the potential audience member/music aficionado who's never heard of Jewel would have a totally different and much more positive view of her after hearing something like that. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:15:33 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] NJC: Alanis and Natalie Imbruglia I tend to agree about the Alanis reference...but Natalie's new CD is really good...just may take awhile to grow on you. I bought it a few months back and while at first I didn't like every song, mainly since they weren't that catchy, after awhile they grow on you. At first I only liked maybe 3 or 4 songs alot, but now I like all but maybe one or two. It's more mellow than her first CD for sure, but still very good, in sort of a Dido-ish way I guess. Cool sounds, and there are also some catchy songs. :-) Derrick > ---------- > From: shawneyeda@juno.com[SMTP:shawneyeda@juno.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 2:30 PM > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: [EDA] SJC: Alanis and Natalie Imbruglia > > i think both Alanis' and Natalie's new songs suck!! sorry, but they do! > Alanis sound like a sheep when she sings, u know the baaa. and natalie > imbruglia has a good voice, but her song just sucks and how she sings it. > so, i think Jewel has no competition. she is waayyy better than both of > them!!! > > love ya, > shawney > the hippie angel > > > "You can't appreciate good love > Until it's too late"- Jewel > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:29:46 -0500 From: "Tom Browning" Subject: [EDA] [SJC] jewel vs michelle take 2 hello... Too things CAN be compared without one "winning". It's called >critiquing. i know this is terrible on my part (correcting grammer, but i can't help it...it's too fun!), but you are right TWO things can be compared with one winning...i'm glad you concur...that's the point i was trying to make and i am glad you agree >, >- ------------------ >*You* think *you* know what I like...but you really don't. I like ALOT of >artists. You have no idea. i find this highly hypocritical, but i digress...you tell me that i don't know what you are thinking and you turn right around and say that you know what i'm thinking, i was not thinking that i knew all of your musical tastes, it would be naive of me to think otherwise...we could go on all day saying, no i didn't say that...no you didn't say that...yadda, yadda...you get the point. My point is by even speaking or writing a language...no matter how hard you try...something will be implied, it is the nature of spoken/written language Yes I like people like Jewel and Michelle, and >some aspects of people like Britney and Shakira, but I also like bands like >Guns n Roses, Metallica, Nickelback, Heather Nova, Faith No More, Kid Rock, >Shannon Curfman, The Doors, Black Sabbath, and Liz Phair....just to name a >FEW. So you really have no idea what my musical interests are. They're >quite varied, to say the least. i was merely stating that you focus more on michelle branch, shakira, and most recently Britney Spears. Guns N' Roses just did a concert over new years eve...nickelback is all over the radio and have got to be on tv equally as much (although i don't see why) ...same goes for Kid Rock. I don't see you mention these artists with the same frequency that you mention Michelle B. that's all i was saying. your argument says that Michelle Branch is more like Jewel than these other artists, so they might have more appeal to the EDA's. My argument is that i find John Mayer, David Gray, Bob Dylan and Ben Harper to be in the same avenue of the two aforementioned artists, just male instead of female...so i would prefer that these artists to be afforded the same treatment...if you do not like these artist and you like Michelle Branch and Jewel...i am quite surprised...since they all fall off the same singer-songwriter tree oh well that's my rant for the day tom the "cactus" angel _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:29:37 -0000 From: "Chris Groves" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel's "A" songs - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 17 January 2002 20:59 > This is in response to the Wolf guy who posted talking about how Jewel's > image and musical changes have disappointed him. He also briefly mentioned > what he thought were the "A" songs off each of her studio releases. So I went > back and came up with a list of my own. Here's what I found: > > Pieces of You: Who Will Save Your Soul, Foolish Games, Daddy, Amen > Spirit: Do You > This Way: Love Me Just Leave Me Alone, The New Wild West These are my "A" songs Pieces Of You: Who Will Save Your Soul, Pieces Of You, Foolish Games, Don't, Amen Spirit: Deep Water, What's Simple Is True, Hands, Innocence Maintained, Fat Boy, Enter From The East, Life Uncommon, Absence Of Fear This Way: Standing Still, Break Me, Till We Run Out Of Road, Cleveland, I Wont Walk Away, The New Wild West, Grey Matter, Sometimes It Be That Way Spirit and This Way have the same number, Pieces loses by a mile. At the moment I'd say that Spirit is the definitive Jewel album. Chris. http://www.jewelfan.co.uk : Jewel - Pieces Of UK http://www.jewelfan.co.uk/wap/index.wml : Jewel news on your mobile phone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:44:14 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] SJC: Alanis and Natalie Imbruglia And actually, at least to me, the first track on Natalie's new CD (the first single also), isn't one of the songs I particularily like. It's different, very...but so many of the other songs are so much better I think. The whole CD is worth listening to. > ---------- > From: RocketsTail@aol.com[SMTP:RocketsTail@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 2:49 PM > To: shawneyeda@juno.com; jewel@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [EDA] SJC: Alanis and Natalie Imbruglia > > In a message dated 1/17/2002 2:32:53 PM Central Standard Time, > shawneyeda@juno.com writes: > > > > i think both Alanis' and Natalie's new songs suck!! sorry, but they do! > > You are entitled to your opinion obviously but "sorry, but they do" means > "all you people who like these songs are idiots and you are not entitled > to > your opinion because you are wrong". I actually like Alanis' new stuff SO > > much better than the "Jagged Little Pill" shit that everyone copied so it > got > old. Natalie's new song...it's pretty good, it's better than TORN which > was > overplayed more than You Were Meantn For Me and that's hard to beat. So > your > opinion is fine but shooting down others who may actually like music you > deem > "suck", is just childish. -eric > > "why do I like you? > 'Cause I do > why do I like you? > 'Cause I'd kill to be you" > ~throwing muses ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:52:51 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Alanis and Natalie Imbruglia I agree that Natalie's cd has to grow on you, the first time I heard it I put it away because it bored me but the second time I listened to it I heard good things and now everytime I play it, it gets better. And I'm still sticking by my pro-Alanis stand haha. "why do I like you? 'Cause I do why do I like you? 'Cause I'd kill to be you" ~throwing muses ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:53:57 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] My ratings Hey I kinda liked that thing that Wolf did with the ratings on each album. I thought I'd do it too: Pieces of You A: WWSYS, Foolish Games, Painters, Amen Spirit: A: Do You This Way A: Jesus Loves You, Serve the Ego, LMJLMA, New Wild West, Grey Matter, Sometimes It Be That Way I've said it before and I'll say it again - Pieces of You is not THAT great. It's not bad. It showed potential, but it's hardly an album that can be compared to Bob Dylan's Blood of the Tracks... personally I find that comparison kind of ludicrous. I think a lot of the songs are decent, but only the four I've listed truly hold up (in my eyes). It is all completely subjective of course. I'm personally GLAD that Jewel is trying to stretch herself... I would be even if I didn't like the music she was making..the fact that I do is just a bonus for me. I think it's a shame that all those who wish for the old days can't see it that way. Also - Jewel hasn't totally abandoned her folky girl with the guitar roots - two of the songs on This Way embrace those roots... so much so that they were recorded live. She's just trying to extend herself. Which is a good thing, in my opinion. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:55:35 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Charts Hey Just a quick update with regards to the Billboard and Canadian charts: Billboard: Albums - #23 (last week #25) Hot 100 - #27 (last week #30) Canada: Albums - #35 (last week #36) Airplay - #9 (last week #11) The big news is that Standing Still has hit the Top 10 on the Canadian airplay charts. :) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:57:29 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] [SJC] jewel vs michelle take 2 So I'll then correct you...if you READ what I said....I said that two things CAN be compared WITH**OUT** one "winning"...meaning that one thing doesn't always have to "win"....according to what you claimed. So no, I didn't agree with you at all. > i find this highly hypocritical, but i digress...you tell me that i don't > know what you are thinking and you turn right around and say that you know > > what i'm thinking, > No I didn't say I knew what you were thinking, I SAID that you *didn't* know what *I* like. I don't know what you DO like, but I do know that you don't know what *I* like. If I were going to assume I know what you do like, then THAT would be hypocritical, but I didn't do that did I? :-) Nice try though. > i was merely stating that you focus more on michelle branch, shakira, and > most recently Britney Spears. Guns N' Roses just did a concert over new > years eve...nickelback is all over the radio and have got to be on tv > equally as much (although i don't see why) ...same goes for Kid Rock. I > don't see you mention these artists with the same frequency that you > mention > Michelle B. that's all i was saying. > And your point being??? Do you even have one? All you've said here is what I already know. But for some odd reason, I have a feeling if I talked about any other band alot, besides Jewel, someone is going to bitch about it all the same. It never fails. Doesn't matter so much who that artist or band is really...just that it's not Jewel. FYI, in my CD player this morning was Incubus, No Doubt, a compilation CD, Kid Rock, and Saliva. Do you see any of those above names you mentioned here? Have you heard of the word diversion? Think about that some. > your argument says that Michelle Branch is more like Jewel than these > other artists, so they might have more appeal to the EDA's. > What argument? What are you even talking about now? > My argument is that i find John Mayer, David Gray, Bob > Dylan and Ben Harper to be in the same avenue of the two aforementioned > artists, just male instead of female...so i would prefer that these > artists > to be afforded the same treatment.. > And did I ever say anything to the contrary? I don't recall bashing any of the above. > .if you do not like these artist and you like Michelle Branch and > Jewel...i am quite surprised...since they all fall off the same > singer-songwriter tree > Well you shouldn't be surprised at all..since you have no concept of my musical interests...that's been proven already. Oh yeah, just to add to the confusion, I also like Lenny Kravitz. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:15:09 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Break Me on Letterman Hey I thought Break Me was really nice on Letterman last night. She sounded good and I really enjoy seeing Dave talk about her in such a sincere way - he's usually very snide and sarcastic when it comes to these things (and hes' hilarious) but he seems to genuinely like Jewel! Also - I think Jewel mainly plays Break Me a lot because it sounds good acousticly. I actually heard that she was pushing for either The New Wild West or Jesus Loves You as the second single because she likes them both the best out of all the songs on the album. In fact I also heard that up until recently Atlantic didn't really care whether the second single was radio friendly. I guess since the album has done better than they thought it would they all of a sudden do care. However they're clearly not ready to push This Way yet.. as she didn't sing it on Last Call either (she did DYWTP and Standing Still apparently). later Steve ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #30 **************************