From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #17 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, January 12 2002 Volume 07 : Number 017 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] SJC: Mostly about the list ["Melissa Rethlake" ] [EDA] RWTD TV Times: South Africa ["Koos van Zyl" ] Re: [EDA] SJC: Mostly about the list ["Sandy" ] [EDA] NJC: My 16th Birthday!!! ["Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:27:04 -0500 From: "Melissa Rethlake" Subject: [EDA] SJC: Mostly about the list I had to pick out the title of this email very carefully, becuase i didn't want to upset those that are critical of the headings. Someone made a comment about how they enjoy the little personal anecdotes, and that they remind them of the way the list used to be. On that point i have agree. To me what makes the EDAs special is how personal the list is. If i wanted only Jewel news, i would be subscribed to the digest or whatever. I enjoy reading peoples opinions, and their stories. What i can't stand is a constant bickering about insignificant things. I don't care if Brittney sings or doesn't. I don't like her. But i'm not going to try and change anyone elses opinion about it. But, you should also be free to voice your opinion. So Derrick is a fan on Brittney's. Ok. And others feel that she is not even remotely talented. ok. But when keep writing back and forth trying to prove each other wrong, it makes me think you like to bicker. Maybe that's what makes the list interesting to you Derrick. And to those that don't like it, well why do we have so many responses? If you don't respond the conversation can't continue. But then again, look at me. I obviously don't like it, but i have been pushed far enough to respond. So then i must be a hypocrite. Why can't we look past each others faults. Why can't we let people be who they are? Why is something that was once so positive, mostly negative now? Then we have the "this way" critics, and the critics of atlantic. It's still popy. Why won't they release what we want?? iiiii. I seriously doubt that if Atlantic released "the new wild west" that i would have the appreciation for it that i do now. But see, it has nothing to do with us. Atlantic already has us. They don't need to worry about getting us to buy records. They want those that they don't have. And people go to school to learn marketing. I haven't been schooled in that field, so i can't complain. But see Jewel made a huge deal about saying that she made the ablum how SHE wanted it. So no matter what it's not Atlantics fault. It's no ones fault. Music is a beautiful thing. I wish that i had the talent that Jewel contains in her pinky. But my fate is not that of a musician. I've spent my whole life learning everything i can about music. I know why things sound the way they do. I can tell you how to play anything on the guitar, but i can't do it myself. I can play the piano but i will never be good enough to do anything professional. I try to write songs, but have been successful only once. Even if you are not an accomplished musician, any experience you have with music is personal. One song is going to mean different things to evryone that listens to it. Music is the most personal thing i've ever come across. And It's Jewel's music. She did what she wanted. She should do what she wants. I'm just thankful that i've been lucky enough to find her music. Of course i'd like her to do this or that, but she's given me so much already. I can't ask for more. While this email may or may not generate a response. I had to say something. And for those of you that read it objectively. Thank you. Regardless, i've always been told that i have a fairly optimistic view of human nature so maybe i wrote all of this in vain. Mel _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:25:31 EST From: TheQweenDiva@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: NJC Sheila There are so many things that this "Sheila" character writes that just does not match up.... In my opinion, "Sheila, and Ciara Age 7" is a troll, just here to disrupt and cause trouble. She is CONSTANTLY sending posts that are not really even about Jewel, and if she thinks that Ciara is being harrassed from people in this group, why does she remain a member? Sheila, Stop provoking things! In a message dated 1/11/2002 10:12:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org writes: > I'm starting to get really tired of the people here critizing and > bashing each other.it's getting old. So Sheila went on a little joy ride > in new york...so what!? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:27:30 -0200 From: "FabioJJ" Subject: Re: [EDA] SJC: Mostly about the list I disagree. I think Atlantic is wrong releasing This Way now. And I don't think The New Wild West would be a hit also, but who cares? Jewel cares? Does she wants to be #1? Well, she says no, but I think so. I'm really disappointed with the release of This Way and I wonder why Jewel wrote this empty and poor song, but, anyway, she wants to sell, don't you think? She can say whatever she wants, but I still think she wants to sell, otherwise she wouldn't have written this song. That's what I think. Now you can yell at me. BTW, isn't This Way an after sex song? I guess that's how she wrote it. Fabio >> www.geocities.com/fabiojj <|> BRASIL <|> Jewel+Sarah << >> www.jewel.com.br <|> BRASIL <|> Fa-clube Jewel << >> www.jeweljk.com <|>JEWEL <|> official website << >> music <|> STANDING STILL <|> Jewel <|> THIS WAY << >> http://www2.fanscape.com/jewel/streetteam/standingstillaudiord.asp << ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:24:46 +0200 From: "Koos van Zyl" Subject: [EDA] RWTD TV Times: South Africa Hi! Ride with the Devil is showing on Movie Magic 2 at 21:00 UT (GMT) on Monday, 21 January 2002. Koos van Zyl The South African Angel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:07:02 -0800 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] SJC: Mostly about the list I'm not saying this to be critical of you personally Melissa, it's just to make an overall point: what I basically got from your email was that we shouldn't be critizing, analyzing or discussing certain things on the list - things that you then went into detail about how we shouldn't be analyzing, then went on to analyze yourself - what I find remarkable about this, is how many people we have who do this all the time - write in to the list with this overall "stop doing this" stuff, and then go on to make their personal comments regarding the same issue doing exactly the same thing that you're telling others not to do. If I read your email the wrong way at all, sorry, but regardless, it just reminded of that point. You are by no means the first - or last - person to do it, nor were you the worst offender :) << Then we have the "this way" critics, and the critics of atlantic. It's still popy. Why won't they release what we want?? iiiii. I seriously doubt that if Atlantic released "the new wild west" that i would have the appreciation for it that i do now. >> For instance, you are basically "criticizing" the critics for their comments. Which is absolutely ridiculous considering that your criticizing them for what this list is for - yeah, we're analyzing this way, and what atlantics doing, this is a Jewel list, it's Jewel's latest CD, and that's exactly what people should be doing. Earlier you say that we should be allowed to express ourselves, or voice our opinion without being criticized, yet you go on to criticize us for - god forbid - expressing our opinion about something Jewel related! Isn't this the place to talk about our likes or dislikes of this way? or should we be on a Britney Spears list in order to do that? and to tred off the general "topic" of my reply, what I find especially interesting (okay so I lied, this has turned somewhat into criticizing your words, but it's actually only this sentence that has me completely mind boggled) is that you would have less appreciation for a song just because it was released as a single... I wasn't aware that releasing a song suddenly changed it completely.... I mean, do you like the song? Do you appreciate it's meaning? How can that be changed simply because it was released? This is just like those people who no longer like a band/artist when they become famous simply because they became famous...because it was only "cool" to like them when they weren't famous and no one else liked them or knew who they were. If you appreciate the song, then it shouldn't matter if it's released, in fact, if you sincerely appreciate the meaning behind it, you should want it released so that others can here and appreciate what Jewel's trying to say. I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to change what you are thinking, you are obviously free to appreciate it less if it is released, I don't know another way to express what I"m trying to say without actually questioning what you were saying/meaning. I reread the email over and over, and think I was pretty objective in my interpretation of it. I'm not saying you are at all wrong for your views, or that you shouldn't be allowed to express them - because you should. I also tried really hard to make sure I wasn't making it seem like I'm saying you're wrong - only discussing what you had said. On the note of "looking past each other's faults" and "letting people be who they are"....I don't think anyone here is asking, nor expecting, people to change and accept their point of view....they are just expressing their own views, and yes, if someone disagrees with someone's views they are going to express their disagreement, and what their own views are, that's to be expected. There is no problem with that. What there is a problem with is when people actually attack each other for their views.... I mean beyond expressing your disagreement and bringing into question some of what was said - the actual personal attacks *without* provocation (ie. when something doesn't add up or make sense and someone questions it, it can seem like an attack on the person but what has to be remembered is it's really an attack on what you said, not you, and a matter of clarifying rather than getting defensive and making a personal attack back). These are the problems. For example, for the most part (and since I haven't yet commented on the Derrick thing) Derrick attacks *what was said* (and I said for the *most part* before you start rereading everything he's said to prove me wrong), yet when everyone replies to him they tend to attack him *personally* (Derrick why do you have to be such a jerk? blah blah, etc. etc.) This is usually what causes him to reply back and forth again to the person, and by golly, has anyone else noticed that most of the time Derrick seems to be laughing his ass off while the other person is just enraged? He's not taking it so seriously, and I think that's a big problem with this list, everyone has to take everything so seriously. I work (for the moment) doing customer service for a cable company, and by golly, when I first got there, and people would scream at me into the phone it would do two things to me, 1) piss me off and make me want to yell back at them, which unfortunately since I couldn't do or I'd get fired, just built up stress, and 2) make me want to hang up the phone and cry because someone just called me every single possible name in the world and made me feel like a worthless piece of crap... and what I had to realize very quickly was that these people are expressing their anger at *something* but not me, yes, it might seem like I'm taking the backlash for it, but really it has nothing to do with me. Think about that everytime you read a person's post...and when you say something, and someone replies to it, just think about it for a minute - they are replying, and criticizing *a thought*, not *YOU*....so don't get so worked up.... Derricks laughing for the same reason I now laugh when people yell at me on the phone.... you're getting so worked up and insulted by something that isn't a personal attack on you. Instead of getting angry with people (well, I can't say I still don't sometimes after explaining the same damn thing over and over to people, mostly "we don't control the programming, if you have a problem with it, you have to contact the station") for the most part, I'm completley calm, I let the person yell, and then usually when they don't get a response back to their anger, they either smarten up and realize that yelling at me isn't going to solve the problem, or they get angrier and never end up getting their problem solved, and I end finding it even more humorous that they're all worked up. You yell at Derrick, and he laughs it off, and then you respond even angrier because it upsets you that he isn't upset, or isn't responding to your angry comments... and you're making it even more amusing for him because you're giving him that response. If you just smarten up and realize that getting mad at him isn't going to solve the problem, *poof* problem solved because we don't have people bickering back and forth on the list and creating a hostile environment. Oh my god, for anyone who actually made this far, well, yeah , sorry I just wasted your time, lol. I'd usually reread this and remove some of the blabbering, but I'm really not in the mood, so uhm.....yeah :) Just my thoughts! ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:14:01 -0500 From: "Scott" Subject: [EDA] NJC: My 16th Birthday!!! Just as a break from the stupid crap on this list, I would just like to take my 16th birthday bows.. (Scott bows) ..More places will hire me now, and I get my license soon. And I've had an AMAZING week. I've just been loving life. So...yeah! =) scott.evans [[mind is DISCONNECTED. but my heart is WIRED.]] AOL IM: sevans112 . Yahoo! IM: sevan112 . scott@tanweb.com Planet Jewel -- A Jewel Fansite [ http://jewel.tanweb.com ] Neurotik. (my personal page) [ http://scott.outofhabit.org ] ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #17 **************************