From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #701 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, December 16 2001 Volume 06 : Number 701 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Aussie SS Single at Sam Goody [MagickBa11@aol.com] [EDA] Reviews, and morning show ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] strange Jewel-related incident ["Elizabeth Nguyen" ] [EDA] Jewelstock tree, a no go because of bootlegging? ["now and zen girl] Re: [EDA] Jewelstock tree, a no go because of bootlegging? ["cymbaline" <] Re: [EDA] Jewelstock tree, a no go because of bootlegging? [Mike Connell ] Re: [EDA] Jewelstock tree, a no go because of bootlegging? [Mike Connell ] Re: [EDA] Reviews, and morning show ["Chris Groves" Subject: [EDA] Reviews, and morning show I think it's great that many of the critics mention they like Serve the Ego. That always seems to be the one song they continually single out as being one of the better tracks on the CD. :-) I hope this would help it's chances of becoming a single. I think if it does, it will definitely boost her sales of the new album. Did anyone see the Morning show this morning? Wasn't Jewel supposed to be on it? I haven't seen a single post about it, and only one even asking about it. To say that's totally amazing is a severe understatement. Do we not watch Jewel on TV anymore? Or was it just too early for anyone to catch it? LOL It was too early for me, but I figured someone would have caught it...maybe those who stay up all night e-mailing others. I did catch the MAD show tonight, but they only showed Jewel all of 20-30 seconds. I think she said one sentence. It was footage from the my VH-1 awards show...when they were walking in on the red carpet. Wasn't that big of deal really. The show Tuesday night should be quite interesting. Her first time actually hosting a show. And, as far my thoughts on the whole bootleg issue...it's nothing that hasn't already been discussed before. We all know JS can't be released or treed again. We don't know why. But we know it can't. Time to move on now. Derrick - -----Original Message----- From: Fredsteve@aol.com To: jewel@smoe.org Sent: 12/15/01 11:20 PM Subject: [EDA] yet another review Hm... i'm finding all these reviews all of a sudden. - ---------- Jewel This Way (Atlantic) 2.5/4 She comes out with acoustic guitars blazing, wanting to be Springsteen, singing about headlights "cutting through the darkest night." The song isn't much, an ordinary, woebegone riff called "Standing Still," but the rougher, less ornate backing suggests that Jewel Kilcher -- who previously specialized in airy pop bonbons dusted with incense-store wisdom -- is trying to get back to Earth. She recorded This Way, her first collection of new material since 1998's Spirit, in Nashville, and co-produced it with guitarist Dan Huff, whose credits include working with Faith Hill. The change of locale does her good: Even when her songs are little nothings about love (the Sheryl Crow-style "Everybody Needs Someone Sometime"), the elemental backing makes them seem sturdy and inevitable, providing her too-tortured voice with a solid anchor. And she has written several decent songs here, among them the bittersweet "Till We Run Out of Road" and the beautifully harmonized "Serve the Ego," the most insightful of several Jewel commentaries on the shallowness of pop culture. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:41:33 -0500 From: "Scott" Subject: Re: [EDA] Reviews, and morning show <> She was on it.. My mom woke me up right as she started SS.. It was done very well.. They tinker with and improve it daily.. Her voice is louder in the mix and the back-up singer complements her well on the song.. I didn't get it recorded, but I remember she looked pretty nice.. A black top, off one shoulder (it may the same one as this pic: http://jewel.tanweb.com/main_08.jpg ..I don't remember).. Underdone and simple look.. <> She hosted 120 Minutes once (or was it twice?) early in her career.. I have it on tape.. And she may have hosted a few other things.. But, yeah, it should be interesting =) scott.evans [[mind is DISCONNECTED. but my heart is WIRED.]] AOL IM: sevans112 . Yahoo! IM: sevan112 . scott@tanweb.com Planet Jewel - A Jewel Fansite [ http://jewel.tanweb.com ] Neurotik. (my personal page) [ http://tanweb.com/scott ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:33:32 -0800 From: "Elizabeth Nguyen" Subject: [EDA] strange Jewel-related incident Well, I suppose it's not THAT strange. I had to keep a journal in my writing class at school and in it I would occasionally slip in Jewel quotes and stories (okay ... maybe more than occasionally ~_- ) Anyway ... my writing instructor told me how she enjoyed the stories. She told me that her best friend went to school with Jewel at Interlochen, so she felt strangely connected. Hehe ... I thought it was neat. Also, my former high school writing teacher told me how her buddies in college worked for the school's newspaper and they went down to San Diego to see a "cute blonde chic" in a coffeeshop ... and it was Jewel. They liked her, but thought nothing of her except that she was cute. Kinda of neat to have these little connecting stories. Do you guys have little stories like that? Where, suddenly, Jewel is connected somehow? Elizabeth, the tennis-ball-whacking angel Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" Perfect for the Jewel Kilcher Fan! Get your Free E-mail at http://jewel.zzn.com ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:24:00 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] Reviews, and morning show I don't think she hosted 120 minutes. She was on it a couple times, yeah. Maybe it could be considered co-hosting, but that would even be a stretch. VJ's hosted that show, the most recent being that bald headed guy, I forgot his name but he isn't on MTV anymore. They may have had an occasional guest host here and there, but I don't think Jewel was ever one of them. The closest thing that comes to hosting that she's done was when she was helping out MTV with the democratic convention I think in 1996. - -----Original Message----- From: Scott To: JFreaks Sent: 12/16/01 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [EDA] Reviews, and morning show <> She was on it.. My mom woke me up right as she started SS.. It was done very well.. They tinker with and improve it daily.. Her voice is louder in the mix and the back-up singer complements her well on the song.. I didn't get it recorded, but I remember she looked pretty nice.. A black top, off one shoulder (it may the same one as this pic: http://jewel.tanweb.com/main_08.jpg ..I don't remember).. Underdone and simple look.. <> She hosted 120 Minutes once (or was it twice?) early in her career.. I have it on tape.. And she may have hosted a few other things.. But, yeah, it should be interesting =) scott.evans [[mind is DISCONNECTED. but my heart is WIRED.]] AOL IM: sevans112 . Yahoo! IM: sevan112 . scott@tanweb.com Planet Jewel - A Jewel Fansite [ http://jewel.tanweb.com ] Neurotik. (my personal page) [ http://tanweb.com/scott ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:27:35 -0500 From: "Scott" Subject: Re: [EDA] Reviews, and morning show No, she hosted it one time I'm pretty sure.. I remember she introduced all of the videos and she brought out her brother.. I could be wrong though.. I have it on tape, but I don't feel like finding it.. It's late.. Maybe Alan or someone can confirm.. <> scott.evans [[mind is DISCONNECTED. but my heart is WIRED.]] AOL IM: sevans112 . Yahoo! IM: sevan112 . scott@tanweb.com Planet Jewel - A Jewel Fansite [ http://jewel.tanweb.com ] Neurotik. (my personal page) [ http://tanweb.com/scott ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:01:18 +0000 From: "now and zen girl" Subject: [EDA] Jewelstock tree, a no go because of bootlegging? bootlegging isnt all that bad if jewel is taking advantage of them as well!! just think of all the songs she would have lost if it werent for us! she said so herself. i mean the only people who are really gonna care to search for these bootlegs are people like us, the edas. as well as anyone else interested in jewel. meaning that they are most likely going to be willing to pay for her stuff, including her real cds(poy, spirit, this way, joy) and bootlegs arent always cheap unless you are getting them through a trade on this list. so the people wanting these bootlegs are gonna be pretty hardcore jewel fans... just the fact that they want more jewel, rare jewel, live jewel, any jewel! just think of how much more we all love jewel because we know all these other songs. if it werent for all those live and unreleased songs i dont think all of us here would be as great of jewel fans as we are. it would have been a horrible idea for jewel or jewels people to ban her early, and now, bootlegs... shes kept so many fans over these years because we always know that there is more jewel out there even if shes not releasing anything to the public. cus then when she comes back 2 or 3 years later she can be sure we will still be here!! so i say HORRAY for bootlegs! alisa - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 07:18:19 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewelstock tree, a no go because of bootlegging? i agree, but as far as I know Jewel's management no longer even encourages tapers to record her concerts. It used to be highly encouraged and allowed, but as popularity and fame increased, its more shunned upon. YOu totally have to sneak this stuff in now.... I recorded a Jewel concert a few years back. I was in the 5th row. I also had a camera. I was so close to jewel, and I was like "yeah! I can get great photos!" (rather than pictures of her being a small speck in the photograph). The security guy up front saw my flash and told me to stop taking pics... so I did, but he didn't see my recorder, haha! I felt guilty though, Nedra was seated 2 rows directly behind me. Had I been seated next to her... man I wouldve felt more guilty having a recorder. cymbie. tree hugger. ** if love is a river heartache is a desert. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:00:17 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewelstock tree, a no go because of bootlegging? >bootlegging isnt all that bad if jewel is taking advantage of them as >well!! just think of all the songs she would have lost if it werent for >us! she said so herself. i mean the only people who are really gonna >care to search for these bootlegs are people like us, the edas. Jewel often uses (used) the term bootlegging where it really does not apply in the truest musical meaning of the word. Many fans do so too. I and some members of the J-team have discussed this and agree upon it. The stuff we and others trade around, either stuff treed on the list (most, if not all thus far WITH permission) or just basic audience-recorded shows are not bootlegs in the true sense of the word. At least not according to what most of the record companies, the RIAA and likely most management teams define as bootlegs. Basically, the main definition of bootlegging in regards to the music industry is the _selling or profiteering_ of music without permission. That is the level of bootlegging that the music industry most frowns upon (probably because it is the most blatant and easiest to crack down on and prosecute). A looser term/level, would be just good ol' _reproducing_ without permission. We received permission to tree most of the stuff that had been treed on this list from 1995 through 1998. Actually, I think all of it was with permission, but I am not 100% sure. While much of what is traded on this list or around the world (Jewel or non-Jewel stuff) is not with official permission, it is "small potatoes", mostly because as people have said, and IMO too, it is not really harming anyone and likely IS helping spread an artists music and helping gain fans. Certainly makes sense to me too. From what I gather many artists do not frown upon the "small potatoes", however they cannot usually give it outright blessing without ticking off their record labels etc. (i.e. so they just look away) The "fear of bootlegging" of JewelStock is in regards to "professional bootlegging", such as the ones that cost about 25 to 35 bucks in most stores offering these items. These are blatant bootlegs where people are making HUGE profits. These are the "large potatoes". Some of the "large potatoes" anyway. When Jewel refers to "bootlegs" (they did have her "trained" to stop using the term a couple of years back) she is referring to the audience tapes, the EDA treed shows etc, not the industry-frowned-upon professional bootlegs defined above. Trust me, I am sure, 100% sure she and her team are against the blatant profiteering-style bootlegging of her music. (in my opinion, what artist would not be? I sure would not want someone making 95% profit on my creative arts without me getting any of it) In regards to Jewel mentioning "bootlegs", while perhaps not all of these stories/mentionings fall into this category, many of the "Jewel mentions bootlegs" stories are from a few years back before she was "trained" (partially at my and MrBB's persistence) to refrain from using the term. Not to mention that now a days all she has to do to get info on her old stuff is to just get in touch with MrBB, who now probably has all or at least a good 99.9% of her creative arts cataloged and archived. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:20:13 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewelstock tree, a no go because of bootlegging? At 07:18 AM 12/16/01, you wrote: >i agree, but as far as I know Jewel's management no longer even encourages >tapers to record her concerts. It used to be highly encouraged and allowed, >but as popularity and fame increased, its more shunned upon. YOu totally >have to sneak this stuff in now.... No, it was never really encouraged, much less "highly encouraged", at least not since Jewel burst upon the USA scene (early-to-mid1996 and on), they just turned the other cheek and looked away. They could not come out in advance and say "go ahead and tape" or set up taping-zones ala the Grateful Dead, they just didn't say anything. During events they know you could not sneak anything into as security would be cracking-down (i.e. JewelStock, NashBash, MTV events, Sessions At W54th etc) they'd tell us "taping is not allowed" or "photos are not allowed" just to do their best in making sure attendees will not try to bring cameras or recorders and to give the venue security staff an easier job. As for it being tougher now-a-days to sneak recorders into any of her regular concerts/shows, that is most likley the venues doing on their own, and/or with whatever entities are involved with the show (outside of her direct management), like her label or whatever. (although it would not surprise me at all if J management also now does or has to ask the venue to seach for recording devices) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:25:11 -0000 From: "Chris Groves" Subject: Re: [EDA] Reviews, and morning show - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Sent: 16 December 2001 07:05 > The show Tuesday night should be quite interesting. Her first time actually > hosting a show. From the 'Pieces Of Jewel' Jewel Chronology (up to end 97)... 96/03/23 Vail, CO - VH1 Top 20 Countdown (co-hosting) 96/04/17 NYC, NYMTV Alt. Nation, (Co hosting #1) broadcast 96/04/18 NYC, NYMTV Alt. Nation, (Co hosting #2) 97/01/25 TV: VH1 "Woman First" Special (Jewel Hosting 4 hours) Chris. http://www.jewelfan.co.uk : Jewel - Pieces Of UK ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #701 ***************************