From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #685 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, December 11 2001 Volume 06 : Number 685 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Jewelstock IS on CD!! You just gotta find it! ["Jennifer McBride" <] [EDA] Welcome Carrie in San Diego!!!! ["Martin, Matthew" ] Re: [EDA] changes in Jewel/changes in list ["Kristie Biggs" ] Clarification - Re: [EDA] Jewelstock IS on CD!! You just gotta find it! [Mike Connell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:15:01 From: "Jennifer McBride" Subject: [EDA] Jewelstock IS on CD!! You just gotta find it! Hi all, Derrick wrote: >>I've seen a few posts about this so I'll just send this to everyone to >>maybe avoid future questions regarding this. For those asking if anyone >>can send them a copy of Jewelstock on CD....it never existed on CD. What >>was treed on the list were audio tapes. So the only copies you could get >>would be ones from an audio dub. This is unfortunate of course, but >>that's reality. Derrick>> That is so not true. You've just got to find someone who has it that's willing to send it to you. I joined this list back in 1999 and the first piece of Angelfood I ever received was Jewelstock. A kind EDA in Indiana was nice enough to burn the CDs for me. He even made his own CD booklet for me on his computer full of Jewelstock pictures he had collected over the years! It was beautiful--about 4 CDs long, and he put a tracklist on the back, separated by the 2 days since the concert was 2 days long. I sent him $10 to cover the blank CDs and shipping, and he sent me the CDs. I recently moved and would have to look hard for wherever I packed those CDs, I haven't listened to them in a long time. If I ever do find them maybe I will let the list know, although I don't have a CD burner. I have friends who do. - --Jennifer, Your Fellow Angel from CA P.S. If you're interested in checking out my band (we are highly influenced by Jewel) check us out at http://www.SweetDuration.com You can listen to sings in Streaming Audio. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:16:18 -0600 From: "Martin, Matthew" Subject: [EDA] Welcome Carrie in San Diego!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:35:20 EST From: LuckyStarr42@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Remember the Angel in EDA If people seem to forget, the name of this list is Every Day Angels... ANGELS. I really love this list because I love Jewel and being on this list is like being part of a family, and I know many people feel the same way. I really wish all this childish fighting and bickering would just end. Iff you have a problem with another EDA then settle it, DON'T send your fights to the entire list, do it privately. Also, it is the holidays and after all that has happened this week what we need more than anything is peace, not fighting over some silly argument. Hope everyone considers this... Thank you!! xoxo Ashley Staggers The Sweet Angel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:52:23 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: NJC: Re: [EDA] Remember the Angel in EDA > If people seem to forget, the name of this list is Every Day Angels... > ANGELS. hehehe.... in the words of Dido: I'm no angel, but please don't think that I won't try and try I'm no angel, but does that mean that I can't live my life I'm no angel, but please don't think that I can't cry I'm no angel, but does that mean that I won't fly :) cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:03:46 -0800 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] Remember the Angel in EDA LuckyStarr42@aol.com wrote: > > I really wish all this childish fighting and bickering would just end. > Iff you have a problem with another EDA then settle it, DON'T send your > fights to the entire list, do it privately. Can we disagree? And debate endlessly over our points? Come on! It's fun! =) Gerrit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:22:59 -0600 From: "Kristie Biggs" Subject: Re: [EDA] changes in Jewel/changes in list I think that is just about the best explanation I've heard in a long time! My best friend in high school wouldn't listen to something if it WAS popular and always got mad if someone she was listening to did start to be well known. It's like people just try too hard sometimes to be different because they think it makes them cool. >>> 12/10/2001 5:19:32 PM >>> I think definitely the changes in the list have to do with the changes in Jewel... or more precisely, the changes in the level of fame she's achieved. Before Jewel was famous, the style of music that was "the mainstream" was grunge. Therefore Jewel was a darkhorse... this little folksinger with a beautiful voice writing songs from the heart. That was so far OFF from the mainstream at the time Pieces of You was released, it's almost ridiculous. I think there are certain kinds of people who are attracted to music that is not what the mainstream is. And there are certain kinds of people that listen to more mainstream music. Neither are better nor worse than the other... just different. When Jewel's music suddenly BECAME the mainstream, she suddenly had a whole lot of fans that were totally different from the fans she had prior. Pieces of You didn't change. It was still the same album - just it was popular. Spirit didn't help. Spirit was a lot more mainstream than Pieces of You (obviously), because it was all synthesizers and groovy keyboards. I think Spirit is definitely a case of Jewel subscribing to the mainstream. But This Way isn't mainstream.. or at least it's not what mainstream is now, I don't think. If it were, Standing Still would be a massive hit and it would be flying off the shelves in Creed-like fashion. But it's not. Granted, This Way is closer to the mainstream NOW than Pieces of You was THEN... but the mainstream is so different now than it was then so... I guess what i'm trying to say is it's all relative, in a way. Jewel's music has never been that far from having the possibility of being mainstream - look at You were meant for me. She writes catchy tunes, it's undeniable. Sometimes they're in, sometimes they're out... but they're never gonna be THAT far out... in my opinion. I think if Jewel had never gotten famous, perhaps Jewel's music would be slightly different to what it is now, but not markedly. She certainly would have released Fritz Creek Store, so we would all know whether or not it's the piece of shit Jewel makes it out to be. I think this list would also be quite similar to what it was back in 96. I also think that the critics would love her, and she'd be the hippest, coolest musicians to like. Selling 23 million albums doesn't do a lot for your street-cred, trendyness, hip-to-like-her factor. steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:02:16 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Another Great Article from the Toronto Sun Here's another really interesting article from the toronto sun: Write Choice for Jewel by JANE STEVENSON TORONTO -- On her 1995 breakthrough debut, Pieces Of You, Jewel asked the musical question: "Who will save your soul, if you won't save your own?" Turns out, years later, she followed her own advice. The 27-year-old Alaskan-born beauty, in Toronto yesterday to promote her month-old fourth CD, This Way, says she basically quit the business after the release of her last album 1999's Joy: A Holiday Collection. She wanted to rediscover the pleasure of making music. "The passion just left it for me," she explained yesterday in her hotel suite, after a big sigh and pause due to the amount of gum she put in her mouth. "I had no desire to get out there and struggle for it the way I did before. And I didn't know if I'd get it back, to tell you the truth. So I said, 'If this doesn't bring me passion, then I'll find something else that does.'" She spent a lot of the two-year break at the Texas ranch of her boyfriend, rodeo champion Ty Murray, and it proved to be just the catalyst she needed, given the existence of This Way. The diverse-sounding collection, which she co-produced over two months with guitarist Dann Huff (Megadeth, Faith Hill) incorporates rawer vocals and country and rock along with her previous gentler, folk-pop sound. "I knew I'd always write," said Jewel. "I didn't think I'd ever quit that. That's just part of breathing. I love that. That's an adventure and it's fun. I knew I'd probably always do shows. I just didn't know if I'd come back and do the 'running-for-mayor' push every time, 'cause there's an aspect of that to this. But I did finally feel like doing a record again; it snuck up on me." Jewel said she doesn't expect to start a world tour until at least March and even then she wants to go out for only four-to-six week stretches, basing herself in "a hub city" each time. In the meantime, she claims not to have heard from the religious right over the new song Jesus Loves You, which contains the line: "They say abortion will send you straight to a fiery hell/That is if the fanatics don't beat Satan to the kill." "We'll see. I dedicated it to (Jerry) Falwell in USA Today so I haven't heard back from him," she says with a laugh. "You know, somehow the religious right keeps embracing me. I like the lyric. You can't tell what (the) opinion is in it. You can't really see my opinion in there. You get the irony and it can be taken either way as the comedy of the song." Jewel made her film debut in the 1999 Ang Lee-directed Civil War drama, Ride With The Devil, and would also like to make another movie next summer -- possibly a comedy. "When I do skits on stage at my shows, when I do stories, my timing, my comedy, is off the crowd. When to drop the punch line is from reading the crowd, the tension. In film, you can't do that," she said. "So I'm pretty fascinated to see how comedy works on film, just as an artist." She has plans to follow up her 1998 poetry collection, A Night Without Armor, and 2000's book of prose, Chasing Down The Dawn, with some love poems, which she has described as "spicy." "I was raised reading (French author) Anais Nin, (Chilean poet) Pablo Neruda, and my love poetry tends to be a bit more explicit," said Jewel, looking sexy herself in a mid-length, fur-lined brown suede coat, a snug-fitting tank top, jeans and sling-back sneakers. "So I haven't figured out how to get 17-and-unders not to read it." Speaking of young impressionable fans, I asked Jewel what she thinks of someone like teen-pop siren Britney Spears. "You can only be who you are," said Jewel. "I think Britney's being very sincere in what she is and who she is. I think she's trying to figure it all out. And that's a sexy age. I remember that age, 16 to 20, your sexuality's overwhelming. That isn't unusual. You know, she isn't a freak. Most people are sexiest feeling at that age just because you're exploring your womanhood. You just got tits. So I don't feel like that's anything dangerous." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:06:26 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] Jewelstock tape clarification :-) There seems to be some confusion with the Jewelstock tape vs. CD issue. So I'll try to clear it up...I'll just use my other post about this since that'll be easier. - ------------ >I've seen a few posts about this so I'll just send this to everyone to maybe avoid >future questions regarding this. For those asking if anyone can send them a copy >of Jewelstock on CD....it never existed on CD. - ------------ Some people are saying they have copies on CD *now*. That may be true, but it never existed originally on CD. As I said above. I didn't put the word "originally", or "before now" since that's implied. - ------ >What was treed on the list were audio tapes. - ------ This is true. CD's were never treed. - ------ >So the only copies you could get would be ones from an audio dub. - ------ This is true as well. Since the CD copies you hear about were made from those same audio tapes I was referring to. Unless you don't have a tape player (maybe this applies to the younger EDA's), then I'd actually prefer to have them on tape since it only takes up 3 tapes....and it takes 4 CD's. There were also original inserts made for the tapes that were the "official" one's I guess one could say to go along with the tapes treed. But, I guess for those only having CD players now, at least you have another option to get it on. But just for the record, everything I said was true. I never said it wasn't available on CD *now*. :-) It would have been great if what was treed were CD's, but that wasn't the case, unfortunately. Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:51:18 -0500 From: "elchubbo" Subject: [EDA] Jewelstock Yeah, I have other Jewel bootlegs (Sotckholm, the FIRST I and I, Storytellers, Rockies) and all I need is JEWELSTOCK Anyone who has it and could send it to me (by mail or dgitially through FTPor IRC or ICQ!!) Id be more than willing to trade...Thanks.. Steve AKA LOST AND DELIRIOUS ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:28 AM > Subject: [EDA] Jewelstock > > > > Hey, > > > > To answer someone's question about how long we've all been here, I've been > on > > the list since about '96, a chronic lurker for most of that time.. > > > > In all that time I never managed to get myself a copy of the Jewelstock > > concert. At one point I was talking to someone about it, but never > received > > them. Anybody willing to share? Preferably CD, but tapes are ok too. I > don't > > have much to trade, but I'll try (or pay s/h and tape/cd costs) > > > > Please let me know.. > > Thanks! > > Heather > > > > HMN333@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:33:59 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Clarification - Re: [EDA] Jewelstock IS on CD!! You just gotta find it! Derrick wrote: {snip} > For those asking if anyone can send them a copy of Jewelstock on > CD....it never existed on CD. What was treed on the list were audio > tapes. So the only copies you could get would be ones from an audio > dub. This is unfortunate of course, but that's reality. To which Jennifer replied: >That is so not true. You've just got to find someone who has it that's >willing to send it to you. I joined this list back in 1999 and the first >piece of Angelfood I ever received was Jewelstock. A kind EDA in Indiana >was nice enough to burn the CDs for me. He even made his own CD booklet >for me on his computer full of Jewelstock pictures he had collected over >the years! Actually, both are true, but not full of the right information, or misleading at the least. Being the dude that actually administered the Jewelstock tree when it occured in the fall of 1996, I guess I am the most qualified to set this one straight. When the JewelStock tapes were treed, they were available ONLY in a three cassette tape set. No CDs, no DATs, no hi-fi video tape (for better sound). The tree also had more than a few rules/restrictions, the main one being it could never be treed again, and that restriction is still in existence. One open policy was that "leaves" on the tree were free to make copies for people. At the time, digital angelfood other than DAT tapes were frowned upon and basically not allowed for a variety of good reasons. (i.e. "please do not make CDs of treed angelfood like Rare Angels Radio Angels, Innerchange Days, Jewelstock" etc etc). However, as time passed by and CD writers became standard items on most computers etc, realizing both that enforcing and communicating the "no CDs of treed angelfood are allowed" policy would be totally impossible, well, it's no longer frowned upon. Thus, like many if the other treed angelfood, Jewelstock was transferred to CD by many people, either knowing or not knowing that it was once a major no-no. Please note one important thing though, as of this moment, the "JewelStock can never be treed again" restriction is still in effect. Anyone can offer a small limited number of copies for trade or dubbing from time to time, but a tape/CD tree cannot occur. Mike - EDA list owner and JewelStock organizer/tree administrator ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:09:27 -0800 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewelstock copies "Karacostas, Derrick W." wrote: > > I've seen a few posts about this so I'll just send this to everyone to maybe > avoid future questions regarding this. For those asking if anyone can send > them a copy of Jewelstock on CD....it never existed on CD. What was treed > on the list were audio tapes. So the only copies you could get would be > ones from an audio dub. This is unfortunate of course, but that's reality. > Derrick Hey Derrick, Granted, you are completely correct. They originally were on tapes. Apparantly someone went against the much-repeated requests of Jewel and her management NOT to digitize them and took the time and effort to put them on CD. I certainly haven't seen them, but I sure have heard about several EDAs who do have them in their posession. In any case, I know you realize this, "So the only copies you could get would be ones from an audio dub" being your quote, but others are not so observant. Of course, this won't stop people on the list from wanting the convenience of a CD, even if the audio quality is no better. :) Gerrit ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #685 ***************************