From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #662 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, December 6 2001 Volume 06 : Number 662 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] (NJC) the posts on freedom's just another word... ["David & Bet] [EDA] NJC: bad vibes [HMN333@aol.com] RE: [EDA] (NJC) the posts on freedom's just another word... ["Karacostas,] [EDA] This Way Tabs ["FabioJJ" ] [EDA] VH1 awards ["FabioJJ" ] [EDA] NJC: great discussion, wish it'd continue ["Tom Browning" ] Re: NJC [EDA] NJC: Michelle Lit up! :-) ["Duwe, Daniel" Subject: Re: [EDA] (NJC) the posts on freedom's just another word... Does everyone realize that there are as many if not more Derrick related posts than Jewel posts sometimes. Maybe there should be (NDC) instead of (NJC), or perhaps someone should start two new lists "Get Lost Derrick" and "We Love Derrick" and EDAs can choose sides, maybe Mike can get Jewel too as well (LOL). Better yet, how about those of you who have no interest in anything Derrick ever says right or wrong BLOCK or IGNORE him so we can stop getting 100 Derrick e-mails. If you can't do that see if someone else has responded to him in a manner you agree with, and if so let that stand as your response too, it works on other lists we are on. With rare exception everyone on this list has said something controversial at one point or another, Derrick just more than most. He has also said plenty of constructive stuff. But nothing he says means anything if he becomes the topic. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." To: "'TSUNAMI'" Cc: "'Jewel list'" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: RE: [EDA] freedom's just another word... > > "boring" is not the word - try "refreshing" > > > Nah, I leave that word reserved for other things...I think I'll just > stick to "boring". :-) > > > In light of his insensitive and ignorant verbal attacks on a mother and > > her > > young daughter, Derrick should consider himself lucky that he wasn't > > banned > > from this list for much more than a month. > > > Adrian doesn't know what happened, and what occured after that. Nor does he > know any facts at all about this incident. Therefore everything he is > saying is based on absolutely nothing. (ok, it's based on his warped mind) > Thus, a waste of the lists time....he's good at that lately though. > > > Mike gave him a break and made D's penalty only 11 days on the sidelines > > (but, geez, the fresh air on the list made it seem like a month!) > > > I was only "gone" 11 days for a reason. And no, the "11" isn't significant > either. Could have been 10, or 12, just the same. Fresh air? > hahaha...like I said, I saw every post that came in, and the bickering was > just as bad, if not worse. Maybe you should just leave the list if you > don't like what you're seeing, cause it won't ever go away whether I'm > around or not. You'd have to get rid of about 1000 people for your wishes > to occur. That's the coolest thing of all about this...your complaints are > about things that occur whether I post or not! It can't get any better than > this on my end. :-) > > > Was he chastened or wisened by the experience? Apparently not. He thinks > > it's ok to say stupid or mean things as long as he adds emoticons to his > > messages, indicating he's smiling or joking. > > > Did you miss the boat or something? I could say alot of things about you > that may not be true either, but I won't waste other's time. One person > doing that is enough I think. I guess it's ok though for *you* to do what > you are talking about me doing above...since that's what you ARE doing in > this letter you wrote. There's a word for that I think...hmmm...yeah, > HYPOCRIT. > > > Imagine a man or boy, in the non-virtual world, who goes around punching > > people, or spitting on them, and then asks to be excused for his actions > > because he was smiling when he hurt people. > > > Ok I'm imagining that now...and you're the only one that I keep getting this > vision of. :-) And by the way, I've never punched or spit on anyone...male > or female, have you by chance? I mean, you used that in your example > afterall. Maybe you know too much about this. > > > Can anyone truly be so lacking in self-awareness? > > > Yes I do believe they can. You are proof. > > > When someone on a mail list, like D does here, attempts to continuallly > > force his opinions on others, dominate discussions, start negative > > threads, and basically says "look at me" all the time, it can really be... > > tiresome. Hmmm.. now THAT is "boring"! > > > You are doing exactly the things you are talking about...wake up!!! YOU. > And I never tell you to read anything I write...the fact you ARE is really > REALLY funny I think. > > > I received lots of private thank yous from EDAs for speaking up a day or > > so > > ago, and I know how most people don't want to take any more of D's abuse - > > privately in emails or on this list. It's unfortunate that one person can > > create so much bad feeling. > > > This is funny as well. I'll just use what you wrote to state my > next line...restructured some...." I received lots of private thank yous > from EDAs for speaking up, and I know how most people don't want to take any > more of A's abuse - privately in emails or on this list. It's unfortunate > that one person can > > create so much bad feeling." > > > And I also want to thank everyone who has voiced their ill feelings > about people like Adrian. It shows me there IS something still *refreshing* > about this list. > Ok, I used your word Adrian. Be happy. :-) > > > Mike, when you give people breaks - like you gave D - I sure hope they'll > > appreciate it more in future ( : > > > Again, you're clueless about so much. Please stop now before I can't make > myself stop laughing anymore. > PS...do you ever feel like you're wasting your time? Think about that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:14:14 EST From: HMN333@aol.com Subject: [EDA] NJC: bad vibes In a message dated 12/6/01 2:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Adrian writes: > . It's unfortunate that one person can > create so much bad feeling. > What I think is unfortunate is that one person gets blamed for creating so much bad feeling.. I expressed this the other day in my answer to Sean's email. I got replies on both sides, people who supported Sean's post, and those that supported Derrick. Those who supported Sean didn't seem to be able to comprehend my point that sometimes when you condemn others for their "insulting/offending" behavior, you in turn offend others, doing more harm than good.. "Surprisingly", they didn't understand.. At least Derrick explains himself when questioned.. Others leave it up in the air, not caring if they've offended someone.. So much for this common decency they talk about.. Heather HMN333@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 14:38:12 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: RE: [EDA] (NJC) the posts on freedom's just another word... > Better yet, how about those of you who have no interest in anything > Derrick > ever says right or wrong BLOCK or IGNORE him so we can stop getting 100 > Derrick e-mails. If you can't do that see if someone else has responded to > him in a manner you agree with, and if so let that stand as your response > too, it works on other lists we are on. > I've tried explaining this to them for a long time now. It'll be nice if that ever happens, but I don't think it will. These people like reading my posts. They just can't admit that. :-) > With rare exception everyone on this list has said something controversial > at one point or another, Derrick just more than most. He has also said > plenty of constructive stuff. But nothing he says means anything if he > becomes the topic. > Exactly. But I'll have to say I haven't said more controversial things than most. Something is only controversial after it is made into that. Which in most cases with this list it is. I can say my favorite color is blue. And you'd see 20 posts saying how stupid it is to have that as your favorite color. You see, people get off to doing things like that. They llike controversy. The ones saying they don't are the very ones feeding it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:03:23 -0200 From: "FabioJJ" Subject: [EDA] This Way Tabs This was made by a Brazilian angel: This Way by Jewel Kilcher Tabbed By Moacir Cordeiro Tom: G Intro: G D C D G D Love be still C D Love be sweet G D Don't you dare C D Change a thing Am C D I want to photograph you with my mind Am C D To feel how I feel now...all the time G D C D Say that you'll stay forever this way G D C D Forever and forever that we'll never have to change Em Don't move, don't breathe G Don't change, don't leave D C And promise me say G You'll stay Am D Oh, we'll stay G D C D This Way G D I get afraid C D I don't think ahead G D C D Let's just stay this way in bed Am C D Feels so good inside your arms Am C D Home is everywhere that you are G D C D Say that you'll stay forever this way G D C D Forever and forever that we'll never have to change Em Don't move, don't breathe G Don't change, don't leave D C And promise me say G You'll stay Am D Oh, we'll stay G This Way G Don't move Don't breathe D Don't change Don't leave C D Promise me we'll always be G The sky 's so sweet D It's good to me C D Promise me we'll always be Fabio >> www.geocities.com/fabiojj <|> BRASIL <|> Jewel+Sarah << >> www.jewelbrasil.f2s.com <|> BRASIL <|> Fa-clube Jewel << >> www.jeweljk.com <|>JEWEL <|> official website << >> music <|> STANDING STILL <|> Jewel <|> THIS WAY << >> http://www2.fanscape.com/jewel/streetteam/standingstillaudiord.asp << ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:04:48 -0200 From: "FabioJJ" Subject: [EDA] VH1 awards you can watch ALL the performances of the VH1 awards here: http://www.vh1.com/mymusic/2001/webcast.jhtml Fabio >> www.geocities.com/fabiojj <|> BRASIL <|> Jewel+Sarah << >> www.jewelbrasil.f2s.com <|> BRASIL <|> Fa-clube Jewel << >> www.jeweljk.com <|>JEWEL <|> official website << >> music <|> STANDING STILL <|> Jewel <|> THIS WAY << >> http://www2.fanscape.com/jewel/streetteam/standingstillaudiord.asp << ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:06:47 -0500 From: "Tom Browning" Subject: [EDA] NJC: great discussion, wish it'd continue hi i just wanted to say that all these interpretations of what jewel's songs mean is great! THIS is why i joined the EDA list 3 years ago...not to discuss how jewel's chest looked nice on vh1, not to discuss how 'hot' someone is, not to read who is more negative or who did/said what to whom. of course by now, you've realized i've used a lot of 'negative' words here...but i have a point...and hopefully it's not too 'negative' ...this whole list is quickly becoming some scene from the 'real world' or something...and like the real world i enjoy watching to an extant, but after awhile it gets old...so to derrick, who will probably say "oh just delete it if you don't want to read it" ...in response to that i would say, first of all i get the jewel digest...so i am unable to delete posts...and second of all, it's REALLY hard not to read every single post (and most of the time i do...yea, i have no life) ...reading some of you bicker is like walking by a car wreck...it's hard not to look. but it's not a good feeling seeing some of you be so petty...to paraphrase 'the green mile', how can people be so ugly to each other. i know i'm just being really idealistic today...maybe cuz i feel really wretched today...i don't know, makes me wanna change things...but of course, i can't. but yea, the recent discussion about jewel's meaning of songs is really good...in my opinion...the serve the ego 'mirror' interpretation is fantastic...never thought to that! ...the break me 'taming of the shrew' analogy makes so much sense! i'm usually always just thinking of songs as 'i love you, you love me' kinda interpretations (ok, that's an oversimplified, bad barney analogy). the fact of the matter is, i interpret these songs as how they relate to my own life...so i loose some of the 'actual' meaning, but also personalize the song at the same time...so to hear other people's take on songs is very enriching for me...this is what i love about this list. i realize that this list is merely 'entertainment' for most if not all, but everybody has their own form of 'entertainment' i suppose...but reading people bicker over petty stuff is not one of them for me. oh well, sometimes it be that way ...and that's my rant of the day! tom the 'cactus angel' who is probably just wasting his time Tom Browning Indiana University Bloomington, IN tippasaurus@hotmail.com thdbrown@indiana.edu http://tippasaurus.tripod.com "Love bravely, live bravely, be courageous. There's nothing to loose. There's no wrong you can't make right again." - -jewel kilcher "Life is what's happening to you while your making other plans" - -john lennon "we are here to learn how to choose and to choose how to learn" - -michael "You must be the change you wish in the world" - -mahatma ghandi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:29:56 EST From: ChrissyPf1@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Question about Standing Still I think that the video is showing how the music industry had effected her love relationship-- It was because of the constant traveling and touring that she was unsure about her personal life-- she didn't have time for personal stuff (hence that's where she's standing still) because of the grind of the industry. Chrissy In a message dated 12/6/01 9:39:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, MiRinda.Kovacs@westgroup.com writes: << Okay, I have a question for y'all. If Standing Still is supposed to be about the music industry and it affects on people. And how she wanted to make sure she wasn't standing still so to speak. Why do you suppose the video makes it seem like nothing more than another unrequited love song? The video doesn't really display her ideals of the industry at all. It seems to focus solely on this love interest that she can't seem to find. Anyway, I just wanted to hear other people's opinions about this and see if I was the only one who thinks that. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:24:09 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC: Natalie I. Well I just listened to Natalie Imbruglia's follow up CD. Only heard it once so far, but I'm really impressed. It's a bit of a change from her previous work, but really good. Lots of feeling in the music. Not quite as rockin as her previous CD, but that wasn't even as rockin' as she is live. It's sort of more in the vein of something Tara might release...I'm trying to think of who else but can't really pinpoint it right now. I hope it does well once it's released in the states next month. It's called White Lilies Island if anyone is interested in getting it. I think they could have chosen a better first single, but it's quite an interesting song. Definitely not your typical "single" sounding song. Her voice is just as amazing as ever...I think she has one of the most soothing voices in the business. Tara and Natalie are pretty close together in regards to that. Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:37:27 +1100 From: "Duwe, Daniel" Subject: Re: NJC [EDA] NJC: Michelle Lit up! :-) Derrick wrote about Michelle Branch: > It's great that there are artists still around who try to be as personable > as possible with their fans. > So it's cool either way, but I really wasn't expecting this from Michelle, > at least not now. I just hope it continues...she'll only gain more fans by > it and I'm sure it'll help her career tremendously. She's a great artist, > and just a great person in general, and I think a really good role model for > the younger generation as well. :-) I ordered Michelle's albums from her website at www.michellebranch.net and I included a note to ask her to sign her "Broken Bracelet" CD, it was a very nice note :) lots of pleases and stuff ;) I received the album back with a signiture from her on it, and I know some others who have asked also and received a signed album. For Michelle to do this was a great surprise, even though she may of just signed a ton of covers and they just throw it in when someone asks for it, she still took the time to sign them. How many artists do you know would do this? Do you think if you purchased Jewel's CD or Book from her site and asked for this, would it come back signed? Has anyone ever tried? Take Care Daniel Visit my Michelle Branch "Rocker Girl" website http://wizard.dreaming.org "There is a paradise that can be found... A better life to bring us round... And all we really need to do... Is see the world like lover's do. " - Heather Nova ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #662 ***************************