From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #624 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, November 28 2001 Volume 06 : Number 624 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Re: Selling out? [Fabsurfgrl@aol.com] [EDA] Words / Phrases that Jewel uses more than Normal people [MLewisFL@a] Re: [EDA] Words / Phrases that Jewel uses more than Normal people [Joe Eg] Re: [EDA] Words / Phrases that Jewel uses more than Normal people [Joe Eg] Re: [EDA] Words / Phrases that Jewel uses more than Normal people ["Shan] Re: [EDA] kilborn, gap commercial ["Joe Kunis" ] RE: [EDA] TRIO Network ["Connell, Michael P" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:47:08 EST From: Fabsurfgrl@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: Selling out? Well, from a marketing perspective, singing at a ball game serves the same purpose for the "star" that doing a Gap commercial would do. It sells their records, and it also brings more people (hopefully) into the park to sell tickets. They are selling tickets just as the Gap particpants are selling sweaters. It's all really the same when we set out to do a PR or media plan. That is why I have Yo-Yo Ma doing commercials now. He certainly isn't a sell-out, but knows the value of exposure into demographics that he wouldn't normally infiltrate. So, on that note, I disagree with your definition of "sell-out" and think that all stars, including Jewel, are using the correct and tried and true methods of marketing themselves to, yes, meet the bottom line. Actresses that sell hair products and the like are doing to so to get their "brand" out there, and to help promote their popularity, so that they make larger paychecks for their new gigs, as well as are able to reap a larger contract in their existing ones. As for Pepsi Co. and Britney, if you read the estimated revenue shares she gets from the deal, they are both making out like bandits, and I can guarantee you that she did not lose respect. Simply look at her album sales, and see that she gained more exposure and more brand awareness. I am not sure why you think that artists doing commercial things takes away from their art. Ask any starving artist in NYC what they would give to have a million dollar commercial gig, or product marketing push (like Pepsi or Gap) and I assure you they would bite. All artists and musicians obviously have a love for their "art," but they are certainly in it for the money - no matter how dedicated they are to their craft. If they weren't, they would take other jobs. Just as a stockbroker is passionate about his work, or I am about my marketing and advertising work, artists feel a sense of dedication to their craft, but also want to be handsomely rewarded for it. This pretty much holds true for any profession, where the person is actually doing what they like, and not simply making a paycheck. And, from knowing Jewel personally, I assure you, she was not happy living in her van, and she made more than $5 a night when working at the Innerchange and Joes. In fact, she used to complain, quite openly I might add, when she made less than $50. So, as much as the message that has been put out there by her PR team and label that she "starved for her art" there is also the flipside to that, in which she had a great lack of work ethic to do anything else. Is that commendable? Sure, in some people's eyes. But, I assure you that she is much happier making huge sums of money. If she weren't, then she wouldn't continue doing what she's doing - unless of course, she's bound by her contract and can't get out of it. At any rate, it's always interesting to see various opinions on this matter. It's an age old subject, that like someone else said on the list, changes its definitions and public sentiment as the years progress. Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:47:21 EST From: MLewisFL@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Words / Phrases that Jewel uses more than Normal people Hey, EDAs. Thought This might be an interesting thread. I'll get it started with: "Coupe" ml the "thought this would be an interesting thread but apologizes in advance if it is not" angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:23:42 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Eggleston Subject: Re: [EDA] Words / Phrases that Jewel uses more than Normal people Lol, how about: "Disco/Neon" I think it was RZA or one of the Wu clan on the Ghost Dog (Way of the Samurai) soundtrack who, girding his loins, mightily quoth: "Wh'sup n*gga, let's go steal a coupe and practice kung-fu on the roof next to the pigeon coop." So here you have the double whammy of coupe/coop. Pretty special, eh? Joe - --- MLewisFL@aol.com wrote: > Hey, EDAs. Thought This might be an interesting > thread. I'll get it started with: > > "Coupe" > > ml > the "thought this would be an interesting thread but > apologizes in advance if it is not" angel Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:42:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Eggleston Subject: Re: [EDA] Words / Phrases that Jewel uses more than Normal people How about an alternate thread of similar concepts Jewel likes to use in different songs? My favorite new one is from New Wild West; consider the line: "We'll be an army of theives, of self-freed slaves, of mild-mannered maids/We'll fight with whispers and blades/So get ready, a new day is dawning" Compare to Life Uncommon: "Come on (or Damn!) you unbelievers, move out of the way/There's a new army coming and we're armed with faith" OK so it's a little stretch - my artistic license for the day. Actually (even though Life Uncommon is a favorite song of mine) i like the New Wild West line better; it's a cloak-and-dagger kind of enlightenment. She has taken a harder line philosophically on This Way, I'd say, and dropped some of the sweetness. Anyone got something better? Lol, wouldn't be too hard, I guess. Joe >np:Ashley MacIsaac, "Sophia's Pipes" Love that French-Canadian/Celtic connection. - --- MLewisFL@aol.com wrote: > Hey, EDAs. Thought This might be an interesting > thread. I'll get it started with: > > "Coupe" > > ml > the "thought this would be an interesting thread but > apologizes in advance if it is not" angel Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:58:58 -0500 From: "Shannon L. Mackie" Subject: Re: [EDA] Words / Phrases that Jewel uses more than Normal people Someone tell me what the deal is with Jewel and hotdogs - I heard it was an inside joke or something... .:.:haizee:.:. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:00:07 -0500 From: "Joe Kunis" Subject: Re: [EDA] kilborn, gap commercial Ok gotta get something straight...is Jewel in a current Gap TV ad or not? Joe >From: "Jewel Fan" >To: jewel@smoe.org >Subject: [EDA] kilborn, gap commercial >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:56:14 -0800 > >>>about that gap thing.... god i hope she is never in that commercial<< > >wouldn't it be 'against the rules' if Jewel were to be in one of those >commercial supporting The Gap?? I mean.. isn't she with Tommy Hillfigger >(sp). Or was that just during the Spirit Tour? > >~Jewel Fan~ >http://www.angelfire.com/sk/killorgeteven >(long story about the name of the URL. It's a Jewel Page) > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:59:27 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] TRIO Network I see that Sessions with Jewel will be on this network pretty soon....does anyone know what this network is? Do they have a website? I can't even find it listed in yahoo anywhere and have never heard of it before. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:02:07 -0500 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: RE: [EDA] TRIO Network It's probabaly this: http://www.triotv.com Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Karacostas, Derrick W. [mailto:dkaracos@utmb.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:59 PM To: 'Jewel list' Subject: [EDA] TRIO Network I see that Sessions with Jewel will be on this network pretty soon....does anyone know what this network is? Do they have a website? I can't even find it listed in yahoo anywhere and have never heard of it before. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:27:20 EST From: KSco2001@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: Jewel Bashing on z100 This is unfortunate but i by no means feel sorry for these people. You trade in fame for privacy. Nobody twisted Run DMC's arm and said you will be famous and blah blah blah. He chose it...he made the choice. Those people that were hounding him for autographs probably own one or more of his cd's thus put him were he is. Maybe as an alternative for being "spotted" he should have sent someone to pick up the food. ~kris~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:04:43 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC: Aritsts and fans mutual respect I disagree with the concept of trading in fame for privacy. While it is understood that an artist should except to get recognized more if they are famous, I don't think their private life should have to be jeopardized as a result. Yes, they make the choice to become famous, etc. So naturally if an artist decided to announce where they were staying at a hotel after a concert, they should then expect there to be a mob of fans to be there...since they are famous. Or if they decide to make an apperance in a parking lot after a show, or by doing a signing in a music store, etc. They should expect to see alot of fans asking for autographs then. Even if playing in a small club, and say after they finish their set they walk to the bar to get a drink...while this isn't their "show" time, I would think they should still expect at least some fans to come over and ask for autographs. After all, they are still in the environment in which they earn their living. HOWEVER....when an artist is on his or her own PRIVATE time, they shouldn't expect to have to be mobbed by people. I mean, going to get chicken at a deli? That's ridiculous to be mobbed then. Even if it's one or two fans...I still don't think that's right. If anything, just strike up a short 10 second conversation...tell them you admire their work, etc., and leave it at that. They can talk while they're taking care of business without having to stop to sign something. While I realize this would be a perfect world for this to occur, I still think artists should be given their privacy during non-working times, and fans should respect that. Even AT shows, I don't ever just go over to an artist along with the other billion fans just to get an autograph. Especially if I can see there are a ton of fans around them. I'd much rather talk to an artist in a more laid back environment. Possibly before a show, during the sound check, or after a show and after most of the fans are gone when they aren't signing something every 3 seconds. It makes for a much more enjoyable experience as well. So while I do think artists should expect to be *recognized*, they shouldn't have to stop what they're doing and go out of their way to sign autographs....while eating at a restaurant, or walking through a park, at a mall, or anywhere they aren't working at the time. On the flipside of this, while IN the work environment (like at a show venue, club, music store, etc.), I think artists should give respect back to their fans BY signing things if at all possible. Which in most cases it is, if they really *wanted* to. However, there are still those artists who refuse to do this, no matter the situation, and I think that's a direct stab in the fan's backs after they spent their hard earned money on that artist's CD's. I mean, it's the least they could do. So it's sort of a two-directional issue. Fans need to respect an artists privacy, but at the same time, artists should respect their fans as well...given the right circumstances and environment. Derrick > ---------- > From: KSco2001@aol.com[SMTP:KSco2001@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:27 PM > To: Jewel@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: Jewel Bashing on z100 > > This is unfortunate but i by no means feel sorry for these people. You > trade in fame for privacy. Nobody twisted Run DMC's arm and said you will > be famous and blah blah blah. He chose it...he made the choice. Those > people that were hounding him for autographs probably own one or more of > his cd's thus put him were he is. Maybe as an alternative for being > "spotted" he should have sent someone to pick up the food. > ~kris~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:05:00 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: Jewel Bashing on z100 Tell me this.... if you ever get famous, hypothetically speaking of course, woudn't you enjoy getting privacy sometimes? Wouldn't you enjoy getting treated like a regular person if you go out into public to grab a burger from burger king? Or would you be so enthusiastic about signing autographs and taking pictures day after day, year after year? Be realistic. Famous or not, these people deserve to be treated just like anyone else. And let me tell you, a majority of these people probabaly did not own his CDs. Alot of these people just saw someone famous and took the opportunity. How do I know that? Because the town I live in i not overrun with 80s early 90s rap fans. alot of country folk here, as well as old folk. cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:55:15 EST From: SeanHooks@aol.com Subject: [EDA] selling out Hilfiger response In a message dated 11/28/01 10:24:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org writes: << So let me get this straight...it's not ok to be in a GAP ad, but it's ok to have Hilfiger sponsor you? :-) Ok, opinions are fine, I respect them all, but if you're going to take a stand on an issue, at least be consistent about it. >> I am being consistent about it. Jewel never let any of her songs be used by TH advertising. That's what bothers me. I could care less is an artist's tour is sponsored by 18 sponsors. It's when classic songs show up on crappy TV ads thereby ruining the purity of the song by putting it in a commercial context. "Baba O'Reily" by The Who should not be being used to sell SUVs. It ruins the fucking song. Plain and simple. Bob Seger's "Like a Rock" was actually a SONG once, before it was a theme for goddamn trucks. And the list goes on and on. There is a big difference than having your tour sponsored by someone and your song being played in conjunction with ads for products. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:38:41 -0500 From: "David & Beth" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: Jewel Bashing on z100 Have to agree hear, you ask for the fame you have to take what comes with it, and that means accomodating your fans, especially at a promotional appearance. Sarcasm in your message aside Cymbaline, doesn't it strike you that it is a pattern we see repeatedly on this list "Jewel looked pissed", "Jewel was in a bad mood", "Jewel...". Jewel is entitled to be imperfect, but not to be a prima donna, and if she is, then she is really hypocritical in her persona. These stories are all too common, and for radio personalities to be repeating them ON THE AIR is not a good reflection on Jewel. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "black-winged roses" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [EDA] Re: Jewel Bashing on z100 > > Listen, no one is saying Jewel has to be perfect. But all we fans would > like is an autograph from our fave muso without getting a bitchy remark > in reply. And, quite frankly, us fans did put Jewel where she is. If she > doesn't like it, then she shouldn't have signed that record deal and just > stuck to small gigs at Java Joes. She might be tired, but that's no > excuse for acting like a bitch to her fans. In fact, it's no excuse for > any of these so called 'stars'. > > > *************** > > > http://www.geocities.com/sarahvox > > > ICQ: 131558324 > > > > > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:38:04 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: > [EDA] Jewel bashing on Z100 > If Jewel really did make that comment, then > I can't blame them for "bashing" > her on the air. What's the big deal > about taking a picture with a fan? If > it weren't for the fans she'd > still be living in her frikkin van. I never > believe hearsay stories, so > I'm not saying she definitely said that or always > has an attitude like > they said, but IF she did it was gross. And I hope she > doesn't have an > attitude like they said she does. You're right. Jewel is perfect. She > would never say anything like that. Not ever. No way. And you're right... > she should be down on her knees thanking her fans and giving up any > private, personal time she has, to take pictures with fans and signing > autographs cause without us she'd be nothing. And since she's famous, she > is obligated to sign autographs and have pictures taken by people she > doesn't even know, every single time she goes out into public. Jewel is > an angel. She's perfect in every way. She's not a real person. She's a > superhuman. And if anyone says otherwise, I'll hunt you down and horribly > torture you until you say "Jewel is God!" >np: U2 - All That You Can't > Leave Behind cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must > reach for. - -a. camus > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #624 ***************************