From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #407 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, September 13 2001 Volume 06 : Number 407 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V6 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] NJC: A Way of Change ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] EDAs in NYC and everyone else around the World ["Jason Keis - DRulz] [EDA] Terrorism ["Rowley" ] Re: [EDA] Private E-mails ["Rowdy White" ] [EDA] Re: America We Stand With You [NikosSong@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: America We Stand With You [Fabsurfgrl@aol.com] Re: [EDA] not JUST a singer! [shawn e williams ] Re: [EDA] America, we stand with you. [liz lee ] Re: [EDA] WTC - T-shirts [Mike Connell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:02:27 -0500 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC: A Way of Change "All our eyes were filled Tuesday with indelible, horrifying images that could hardly be absorbed on first sight-maybe that's the plus of so many networks transmitting their footage on what seemed a continuous loop. I think I've absorbed it-high-jacked airliners really did crash into the Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. Something I missed in all the coverage in New York was an explanation of the people and activities that had been contained in the Trade Center towers. To hear some commentators and reporters, you'd think the Trade Center was completely filled with rich brokers and arbitragers who came in from Connecticut on commuter trains. But those of us who know New York realize that most of the people in those offices were back-roomers, many of them with names like Luis and Theanetta and, yes, Muhammad. They processed the data at the financial companies and law firms, they worked in the buildings' restaurants and stores, they ran the parking lots and heat and lights and elevators. They got to the towers every morning by subway from Queens or Brooklyn or Jersey. And they went to the Trade Center to make the rent, not make their fortunes. The terrorists may have wanted to kill rich capitalists, but the lists of the dead will inevitably include far more people who were barely making it than those who had it made. New Yorkers know that the towers housed shoe stores and pizza parlors and huge beautiful lobbies where ordinary people, some of them homeless, sat on benches under tall potted trees and read the paper. We remember momentous personal events-wedding receptions, birthdays, retirement parties, proposals- at the restaurant that topped one tower and served its guests one of the planet's most amazing views. And what was happening all over Manhattan was-is-what we are about. Those who were fueled by hatred to lash out at us may see us as uncaring, greedy devils without heart, without spirit. But we know we are the people who race to the danger to help, who give the injured and frightened anything we have that they might need-the support to walk down 80 flights of stairs, the food in our cupboards, the shelter of our homes, the gift of our blood, even our lives. We are the firefighters, EMTs, cops and plain citizens who go straight into burning, exploding buildings, knowing full well the dangers, offering up our lives to save others. There's a lot of talk about this horror changing us forever. How then do we choose to be changed? We can let ourselves be driven by hatred of our attackers. We can become terrified, the terrorists' plan for us. But how would we be changed if we chose to hold in our hearts the images of ourselves as courageous, compassionate beings-if we lived our daily lives that way, not waiting for catastrophe to strike, but reaching out to each other every day that we walk this earth? Let us choose to make that the way we are changed by September 11, 2001." - --Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:25:34 -0400 From: "Jason Keis - DRulz" Subject: [EDA] EDAs in NYC and everyone else around the World Hi everyone... I just want to send a msg to you all that I hope everyone you may know, friends, family, anyone... is accounted for. And as I have been saying, New York and America need not be the only ones blessed. God bless the whole world. Jason "The Heavy Metal Angel' from NYC :*( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:33:40 +0100 From: "Rowley" Subject: [EDA] Terrorism Yesterday the majority of British 'white collar' workers (these are office workers etc.) wore black ties. This is a very British thing to do after a tragedy where loss of life occurs. I myself wore a black tie and many people on the news here last night were wearing black ties, ranging from presenters, reporters, interviewers and interviewees. Now I would like to say a few words that some of you my be offended by. If so, I'm Sorry. In the USA you have experienced terrorism on a massive scale. However in Britain we live with terrorism everyday. There have been bombings for years. In major city's you will see posters warning you of suspicious packages etc. Many devices that have exploded on British soil are those from Republican extremists (Irish Republican Army/Real-IRA) I can safely say aeveryone of you who donates to people collecting for charity whom you don't know and have done this in the past is contributing to deaths in the UK. 'NORAID' heard of them? USA registered charity. USA charity raising funds for the IRA to arm themselves and wage a war of terrorism on people walking down the street. All this because we occupy Northern Ireland. Thing is, majority of Britains don't care about Northern Ireland, FACT. And Ireland would find it difficult, economically, to take Northern Ireland with its high unemployment, and welfare bills, FACT. So next time you see someone collecting for 'People living under oppression' and you drop some money in. Just think where your money may end up. Sorry to all of you who are pithed off by that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:35:47 From: "Rowdy White" Subject: Re: [EDA] Private E-mails I told myself that once I had defended my orginal post that I would back away from this, but... Okay, first of all I guess I do not quite understand your logic of stating that this is a list for people to post thoughts on a particular subject of common interest. (which would be jewel) and then to say that a post crizicing someone posting about jewel is valid... Which, I guess is still discussing that "common interest" but seems to lose the whole spirit of the idea... I mean, sure it is a jewel list, talk about loving jewel, hating jewel, but critizing people for being worried about jewel seems to stretch things a bit far.. Mike has taken alot of hits over the years over the moderation issue. He stood firm for a long time, doing as he saw fit, then the list seemed to be more in favor of governing itself, so he let it be (okay, there still are a few filters, but on a large part we are left to bite our own tounge) and damned if people didn't go after him for that... I'm more than sure Connell can defend himself, but I'm figuring that if someone sent their private email to smoe.org to join a certain list, then the list OWNER of that certain list should have a right to email that person privately about issues concerning the list. Mike is the owner, so... But as with any bulk mailing one should have the right to say 'no mas'... most mailings one would simply reply with "remove me" I believe with smoe it is a email sent with "unsubscribe" in the subject of an to jewel-request@smoe.org No, I'm not trying to tell anyone not to let the door hit them in the ass... but I do offer the idea... Anyway, I'm going back to just yelling at the monitor... it has been just as effective as posting lately, and even more fun, and after these two days has given a vaild excuse for a hot totty :-) rowdy >From: "David & Beth" >To: >Subject: [EDA] Private E-mails >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:51:47 -0400 > >The reason for a mailing list is to provide a central location for people to >post thoughts on a particular subject of common interest. Having a membership >in a mailing list does not provide a level of familiarity that grants >privilege to send critical e-mails to another members private e-mail address, >and that includes the list administrator Mike. > >Mike, it was your choice to make the list unmoderated. If you were still >moderating, then you would have the privilege of responding privately to those >posts you consider offensive to the point that they should not be allowed to >be posted, however you are not, and therefore you don't. The original post >criticizing those who mentioned Jewel was a valid response whether or not you >agree with it. I did not argue with the persons prerogative to post their >sentiment nor would > >We appreciate those private e-mails sent in support. We also understand that >people may not agree with our sentiment on a topic. People have different >opinions, if we did not, the American way of life would not be so important to >defend. That being said, opinions on topics posted to the list should be >responded to there. If someone took the time to post what they know will be a >controversial opinion to the list, that opinion should be responded to on the >list. If not, then the poster may as well have sent each member the e-mail >individually, and that defeats the whole purpose. > >We are going through a terrible tragedy as a nation right now. G-d willing we >will get through this, and be stronger as a nation, and will be able to live >secure in the notion that we are not targets. We are personally thankful that >our five month old daughter doesn't know what's going on, and laughs and plays >oblivious to all of the crap that is going on. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:28:29 EDT From: NikosSong@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: America We Stand With You Wow, I wanted all of you international EDAs that probably 99% of Americans would disagree with what Mandy said. Abby, please don't take that as something all of us feel, because I was definitely offended by what she said. Keep in mind, there are EDAs from all sorts of countries out there. What kind of idea are you giving other countries about us Americans by arguing about petty things? We should be rallied together (as MOST of the county is..we just seem to be having a problem doing it) not fighting constantly. I am quite proud that the leader of Isreal cares about us! But what are we giving him to care about? Mandy, please think again before saying "us" and "we," even if you didn't mean it "that way." Next time, try using "I" and "me" when you say comments like that. Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:49:37 EDT From: Fabsurfgrl@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: America We Stand With You Jenni, You obviously didn't read the post in depth. You would see that sentiments deemed as "us" and "we" were directed towards behaviors that are easily proven and seen in our nation. Abby and I have discussed these issues further, privately, and are understanding of each other's views, as well as where we were originally talking about two different sects of a country. You should keep in mind too that it is a given that any writing with "us", "we", "most" and any other generalizations are done so as a matter of editorial regulation and standard. I find it funny when people make arguements as you did, and even more amazing when people say, "well, you can't generalize", or "well, not ALL the X people are like that" because that very premise is a given in every statement. OF COURSE not everyone is like this, or binds by these behaviors, or is on the same page. Anyway, have a great day. Continue to flame, post, rant, rave, praise. It's all valuable psychological healing processes that everyone needs to go through. Enjoy. Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:37:24 -0400 From: shawn e williams Subject: Re: [EDA] not JUST a singer! hi! Jewel has changed my life so much too, and for the better! She is such an inspiration for many and she is so down to earth! i know i'm not to good w/ words like you were, but she is just an awesome person! I also too believe that we can be sad and happy at the same time! be happy that we are all still here! ttyl! God Bless! love ya, shawney the hippie angel "Don't worry mother it'll be alright and don't worry sister say your prayers and sleep tight it'll be fine lover of mine it'll be just fine"-Jewel "Lend your voices only to sounds of freedom no longer lend your strength to that which you wish to be free from fill your lives with love and bravery and you shall lead a life uncommon"-Jewel "Come on you unbelievers, move out of the way, there is a new army coming and we are armed with faith, to live, we must give, to live"-Jewel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:07:45 -0400 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] WTC - T-shirts > just wanting to let anyone who may be interested know that i saw some > quality made-t-shirts at JC Penny department store lastnight that have a > beautiful picture of NYC with the Twin Towers right in the middle of the > shirt. I think they were $19.99. The shirts are a medium blue in color > with cap sleeves. I did not buy one but am thinking about going back to do > so... Okay, I want to say something, and I want to put out that I would prefer to not be flamed, it's just my opinion, and just a thought, and it nothing against Sheila and what she wrote, but... does anyone else find this in slightly bad taste? I don't mean the T-shirst themselves - it's great to have something to show your support, I saw great people with shirts they made themselves saying things like "you will not keep US down" and stuff...but I mean the actual idea - JC Penny, it the middle of this great tragedy, to me at least, thought "wow, we can cash in on this".... maybe I automatically think the worst right now just because these recent events have made me doubt much of humanity, but just think about it before getting angry with me. It sure as hell didn't cost them $19.99 to make the shirts - I'd be surprised if it even cost them $3 per shirt. To me, that's selling them to make a profit - and essentially cashing in on tragedy, rather than doing it as a symbol of solidarity or something.... If I'm wrong, and perhaps it was just not mentioned that the profit is going to help the effort, forgive me. ~<3~ Sandy - - lavender haunted you, so I could only laugh in yellow - jewel - ..... http://www.envy.nu/angeloflove ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:13:40 -0700 (PDT) From: liz lee Subject: Re: [EDA] America, we stand with you. "it really doesn't bring us any solace that he was giving blood. Sorry." It brings me solace. It makes so happy to see that people are trying to help... It's the one thing we can do. I live in the Bronx, nowhere near the crash, but so many volunteers have been helping rescue teams, and this is helping us get to all the victims stuck under all the rubble in debris. It gives me comfort to see that, although there is such evil in the world, there is also love... Don't be so pessimistic Mandy... We'll pull through... ===== ~*Liz*~ the Bronx Angel HARMLESS & SHAMELESS PLUGS (if you can, check 'em out!) MUSIC: Nelly Furtado, Shannon Curfman, Joy Eden, Ayumi Hamasaki, Harrison, Steve Poltz, Shakira, CoCo Lee, Nancy Micciulla!, LAURA PAUSINI!! ACTORS: Haley Joel Osment, Lucas Black!! __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:23:02 -0400 From: "Joe Kunis" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: A Way of Change Is this letter supposed to mean that the lives of the poorer workers at the Trade Center were somehow more important than the "rich, greedy capitalists" who worked there? Were these people not human? They don't count? What kind of class warfare bullshit is this??????? Joe > >To hear some commentators and reporters, you'd think the Trade Center was >completely filled with rich brokers and arbitragers who came in from >Connecticut on commuter trains. But those of us who know New York realize >that most of the people in those offices were back-roomers, many of them >with names like Luis and Theanetta and, yes, Muhammad. They processed the > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:35:14 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] WTC - T-shirts At 04:07 PM 9/13/01, you wrote: > > just wanting to let anyone who may be interested know that i saw some > > quality made-t-shirts at JC Penny department store lastnight that have a > > beautiful picture of NYC with the Twin Towers right in the middle of the > > shirt. I think they were $19.99. The shirts are a medium blue in color > > with cap sleeves. I did not buy one but am thinking about going back to >do > > so... > >Okay, I want to say something, and I want to put out that I would prefer to >not be flamed, it's just my opinion, and just a thought, and it nothing >against Sheila and what she wrote, but... > >does anyone else find this in slightly bad taste? > >I don't mean the T-shirst themselves - it's great to have something to show >your support, I saw great people with shirts they made themselves saying >things like "you will not keep US down" and stuff...but I mean the actual >idea - JC Penny, it the middle of this great tragedy, to me at least, >thought "wow, we can cash in on this"... I doubt at all this is the case. It's quite likey the t-shirts were there for sale for weeks. Just happen to be a WTC t-shirt. I see them all the time. I may be wrong, but I have to believe these t-shirts were for sale there before Tuesdays' events.....just a basic landmark t-shirt. Mike ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #407 ***************************