From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #180 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, May 7 2001 Volume 06 : Number 180 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel [Paul Schreiber ] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" [JusAgapAd@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" [LullabyRck@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel [angela.matheson@ns.sympatico.ca (Angela Matheson)] [EDA] gay?-marraige?-holy? [Spenser68@aol.com] [EDA] one more thing :) [Spenser68@aol.com] [EDA] An update please!!! [Clm4ever1248@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" [Lucas Holt ] Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel [Shawn E Williams ] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" [KissTheFlame720@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel ["Scott Evans" ] Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel ["cymbaline" ] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" [Gerrit ] [EDA] deep water-PLEASE HELP! [RoXyGrL628@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" ["cymbaline" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:39:07 -0400 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel sandy wrote: >> actually, gay and lesbians cant get married anywhere > >Unless they run away to Canada where gay & lesbian marriages are legal :) they're legal commonlaw here. and gay partners have the same rights (health benefits, welfare, joint. bank accounts). they're still hashing out the "marriage" part, though. a minister in toronto married a gay couple a few months ago, and no one's sure if it'll stand. http://www.mcctoronto.com/ <--the church i believe it's legal in holland though. any dutch EDAs? Paul shad 96c / 4B CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. "I've heard about your witness protection program -- it's called woodlawn cemetary." -- as heard on Law & Order ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 13:27:06 -0000 From: "Niall Quinn" Subject: [EDA] All UK Jewel fans check out MTV UK this evening! To all UK Jewel fans. I have On Digital so I dunno whether this prog. is on Sky but MTV UK are premiering that when videos go bad for good stars thingy, this evening at 4.00 p.m.! Niall xxx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:11:47 -0400 From: "Joe Kunis" Subject: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" It's pretty pathetic...we now have to re-define the word "marriage" to suit people who choose to live socially unacceptable lifestyles. The word marriage has always meant one thing and one thing only: The holy union of a man and a WOMAN, usually with the intent on bringing children into the world. Where does this madness end? Nobody really cares what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms, no one says they can't live together, but it is NOT A MARRIAGE! Just another example of fringe ideas trampling on the institutions that made this country great. JOE >Sandy wrote: > > > > actually, gay and lesbians cant get married anywhere > > > > Unless they run away to Canada where gay & lesbian marriages are legal >:) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:37:43 EDT From: JusAgapAd@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" In a message dated 5/7/01 10:17:26 AM Central Daylight Time, vonjoustein00@hotmail.com writes: > It's pretty pathetic...we now have to re-define the word "marriage" to suit > people who choose to live socially unacceptable lifestyles. The word > marriage has always meant one thing and one thing only: The holy union of a > man and a WOMAN, usually with the intent on bringing children into the > world. Where does this madness end? Nobody really cares what they do in the > privacy of their bedrooms, no one says they can't live together, but it is > NOT A MARRIAGE! Just another example of fringe ideas trampling on the > institutions that made this country great. > > JOE > > >>>>> ok in response to this ludicrous outburst. First of all- I wish i > never deleted the first email about this...but this kind of ranting is what > is ruining this country. I'm sorry but i personally feel that I was born > gay. It wasn't some tramatic event...it wasn't bad parenting. So as a > lesbian I feel that I should be able to marry who I want to marry. Its the > same love that heterosexuals feel for their spouses. To say that its wrong > or not the same thing is a very ignorant thing to say. As for children- do > some homework..do some research...you'll find that children born into or > born out of a gay partnership are just as well adjusted as as the children > born out of heterosexual unions. And in some cases are much better off b/c > they were so wanted. For people who critisize gay marriage---I truly hope > you have gay children so you can have a first hand experience. Only the > truly evil would excommunicate their own children and not wish for them to > be happy and love who they want to love. I assume that the person who is > writing this email has not had much experience....I urge you to go out and > get informed and maybe get to know some gay people. We are the same as > you....and deserve the same treatment and the same rights as you.... sarah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:45:52 EDT From: LullabyRck@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" joe.. i had to come out of lurking for this.. why do people get married? because they love each other and want to commit themselves to each other, to let it be known that they love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives with each other.. love is unconditional regarless of sexual orientation, be it stright or gay.. everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but, ultimately, God is the judge, let the judgement to him.. i dont think that gays want to get married as a "fringe idea tramling on the institutions that made this country great. I think what made this country great may have been the love for other humans and the belief in God. ok.. i've said my peace.. back to your regularly scheduled program.. :) Laine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:11:35 -0300 From: angela.matheson@ns.sympatico.ca (Angela Matheson) Subject: Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel FYI: I live in Nova Scotia and I know two girls who just got married last month. I don't know if they share everything the same way heterosexual marriages do, but of course the church wouldn't do it. I have no idea who married them. Probably justice of the peace or something... Angela Paul Schreiber wrote: > sandy wrote: > > >> actually, gay and lesbians cant get married anywhere > > > >Unless they run away to Canada where gay & lesbian marriages are legal :) > > they're legal commonlaw here. and gay partners have the same rights > (health benefits, welfare, joint. bank accounts). they're still hashing > out the "marriage" part, though. a minister in toronto married a gay > couple a few months ago, and no one's sure if it'll stand. > > http://www.mcctoronto.com/ <--the church > > i believe it's legal in holland though. any dutch EDAs? > > Paul > > shad 96c / 4B CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler > fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / > / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / > > t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. > > "I've heard about your witness protection program -- it's called > woodlawn cemetary." -- as heard on Law & Order ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:20:07 EDT From: Spenser68@aol.com Subject: [EDA] gay?-marraige?-holy? well, well well...so here we go, First off lets get one thing straight, "holy matrimony" is a Christian belief. Yes,? and most people think Columbus discovered America. Yes,? As a Native American Indian I can say that we were here long before any "Christian settler's" and we were not "discovered" we knew where we were all along. though I believe that everyone has the right to believe what they want I think the narrow mindedness of all this is a bunch of crap. the white man introduced all the known diseases' we now have, they stole and raped our mother's and daughters, tried to commit genocide of our race, tried to force us to believe in a religion that was not our own, lied and cheated, stole our land, desecrated our environment, polluted our rivers. and lived lives anything but harmonious w/ nature. Gee a great country? it once was. it just so happens my wife is bi/sexual and chose me. does that make her a sinner? maybe in your Christian world but not our Native American culture. peace, love and harmony, and respect of nature was part of our culture hundreds of years before "the sixties hippie movement". so before you decide to "slam" those who are different from yourselves. know your history, by no means am I saying that what "you" believe is wrong just know that My wife and I as Native American's see this country in a much different light. Walk in Peace, Bull Deer & Moon Wolf AKA. Spenser & Lesa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:22:46 EDT From: Spenser68@aol.com Subject: [EDA] one more thing :) The essence of all religions is love, compassion, and tolerance. Kindness is my true religion. The clear proof of a person's love of God is if that person genuinely shows love to fellow human beings. - - The Dalai Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:38:55 EDT From: Clm4ever1248@aol.com Subject: [EDA] An update please!!! Hey guys i've been out of town for a little while and i was wondering if anyone could update me on any convos. that have been going on or anything about anything!!! I'd appreciate...thanx! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:08:38 -0400 From: Lucas Holt Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" ::putting on flame protectant:: Right on Sarah. Joe's entire argument was based on his interpretation of Christian beliefs. Last I checked, non-christians CAN get married. So if religion is not a concern of the state, why is gender? Gay couples can have children wheither it be through adoption, or other means. I think anyone who wants to enter a commited relationship, and share their lives with someone should be allowed to get married. JusAgapAd@aol.com wrote: > > > > >>>>> ok in response to this ludicrous outburst. First of all- I wish i > > never deleted the first email about this...but this kind of ranting is what > > is ruining this country. I'm sorry but i personally feel that I was born > > gay. It wasn't some tramatic event...it wasn't bad parenting. So as a > > lesbian I feel that I should be able to marry who I want to marry. Its the > > same love that heterosexuals feel for their spouses. To say that its wrong > > or not the same thing is a very ignorant thing to say. As for children- do > > some homework..do some research...you'll find that children born into or > > born out of a gay partnership are just as well adjusted as as the children > > born out of heterosexual unions. And in some cases are much better off b/c > > they were so wanted. For people who critisize gay marriage---I truly hope > > you have gay children so you can have a first hand experience. Only the > > truly evil would excommunicate their own children and not wish for them to > > be happy and love who they want to love. I assume that the person who is > > writing this email has not had much experience....I urge you to go out and > > get informed and maybe get to know some gay people. We are the same as > > you....and deserve the same treatment and the same rights as you.... > > sarah - -- Lucas Holt Luke@FoolishGames.com ___________________________________________________ http://www.foolishgames.com/ "for the silent miles of dirt roads Our eyes busy reading the signs (on the days we took the car)" - -- Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:26:19 -0700 From: Shawn E Williams Subject: Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel ty's really in his 40s? or were u talking about poltz? On Sat, 5 May 2001 12:15:10 EDT RachKat926@aol.com writes: > No, he's older... atleast into his 40s "Make Love, Not War" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:54:34 EDT From: KissTheFlame720@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" >we now have to re-define the word "marriage" to suit people who choose to live socially unacceptable lifestyles.< socially unacceptable? i think that youre close minded. a long time ago, black and white people wernt allowed to get married and now they are, so i think that in due time that gay and lesbians will be allowed to get married. you need to wake up... Anastasia xoxox The Philodendron Angel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:58:21 -0400 From: "Scott Evans" Subject: Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel <> Ty is only 31.. He seems older, right? I think she was talking about Steve.. He is 41.. He, in the complete opposite, seems YOUNGER...lol =) scott.evans [[crazy is just YOU and ME. AMPLIFIED.]] AOL IM: sevans112 . . . . . scott@tanweb.com Planet Jewel - A Jewel Fansite [http://jewel.tanweb.com] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:43:56 -0400 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: [EDA] Ty and Juel > Ty is only 31.. He seems older, right? I think she was talking about Steve.. > He is 41.. He, in the complete opposite, seems YOUNGER...lol =) LOL, I can see it now..... Steve in a Toys R Us commercial.... surrounded by toys, running around and playing w/ them like a little kid, while singing.... "I don't wanna grow up, I'm a Toys R Us kid, there's a million toys at Toys R Us that I can play with! More games! More toys! Oh BOY! I don't wanna grow up, just wanna be a kid! I'll always be a Toys R Us kid!" cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:02:31 -0700 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" Joe Kunis wrote: > > It's pretty pathetic...we now have to re-define the word "marriage" > to suit people who choose to live socially unacceptable lifestyles. > The word marriage has always meant one thing and one thing only: > The holy union of a man and a WOMAN, usually with the intent on > bringing children into the world. Where does this madness end? > Nobody really cares what they do in the privacy of their > bedrooms, no one says they can't live together, but it is NOT A > MARRIAGE! Just another example of fringe ideas trampling on the > institutions that made this country great. You must realize that the gay community is not fighting to change the meaning of the word. They are fighting to get the same benefits and recognition of a bond that the rest of us get. This is not an issue of re-defining anything. It's about making changes to attempt to reduce some of the stigmatism that this society places upon gay couples in general. By the way.. some people DO seem to care about what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms and condem it when they live together. You may not, and I certainly don't, but it's hard to ignore the judgemental screaming of the hypocrites. I'm not gay, but I certainly wouldn't want the goverment to single me out and say that I can not take advantage of certain benefits just because society doesn't like me or what I do. What B.S. is that!? Maybe I believe in more fairness than some.. And for those of you with religious beliefs.. just remember this: It's between them and God. Not you and them. It's for God to judge, not you. You chose the beliefs, therefore you should follow them, but don't even pretend that the Bible (or any other religion) says to judge others. Gerrit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:30:34 EDT From: RoXyGrL628@aol.com Subject: [EDA] deep water-PLEASE HELP! hey edas! i have to do an oral report on a "theme song" that we choose for ourselves...i chose to do deep water, but i need to know what jewel wrote the song about and any other background information on it...please help me! thanks so much! ~liz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:31:22 -0400 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: gay "marriage" I'm a Christian. I do not hate gays as some people accuse Christians of, nor do I oppose gay "marriage". When it comes down to it, a gay "marriage" is just a legal document on paper, stating the couple's commitment to eachother. Its BS that the govornment thinks they can outlaw gay marriage. Its not gonna stop people from being gay. And its not going to stop gay couples who are in love with eachother, from being together for the rest of their lives. Its not fair that people are treated like outcats from society, and like their not equal to other people, just because of something like their sexual preference. the whole "gays cant be in the military" issue really bugs me too. Whose to say that a gay man cant be as good a soldier as a straight man? What about "dont ask, don't tell"? Also, if they're so worried about the straight guys getting hit on by a gay guy, they shouldnt let women into the military either.... My psychology teacher who was in the army and fought in Vietnam said he's againt gays being in the military, because the gay guys will be looking at the atright guys in the shower, and try to rape their asses. Thats arrogant. cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #180 ***************************