From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V6 #86 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, February 28 2001 Volume 06 : Number 086 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Re: Dear Richard and Lorrie. [Reecord2@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Re: Dear Richard and Lorrie. ["cymbaline" ] [EDA] Eminem [Fredsteve@aol.com] [EDA] Mirko ["Antonio Miquilena" ] Re: [EDA] Re: Dear Richard and Lorrie. [GWJewelGrL@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:23:29 EST From: Reecord2@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: Dear Richard and Lorrie. <<"Jewel has so much more *heart*" (care for an explanation there Richard?)>> << when I put a record of her, I feel released, I feel happy/depressed, I get thoughtful, I get recentful, I get cheered, so many emotions which different songs, that for me is hard to describe, >> That's heart. <<"Jewel write her own songs, dido doesn't">> That's an extremely valid point! If whether or not you have written what your singing doesn't count, you might as well group Justin Timberlake and Paul McCartney together. <<"Jewel DOES NOT have more heart">> Are you sure? Heart to me is how much of themselves an arist puts into what they do, how much of themsevles they give away to their art. When you're given what to perform, how much heart can you put into it? It's like an actor, they're given their lines. SURE, a singer who's songs have been written for them can still dig up their own experiences and filter it through their songs, but is it the same? <> <> Hey, I don't like them either. And finally one last thing I really had to comment on... <> <> How great a singer is an entirely subjective, opinion-based matter, but look at it my way: Madonna has been around for like 20 years. Dido has just bursted onto the scene and now she's equal? She's done a fraction of the effort Madonna has, and has made a fraction of Madonna's impact, and she's equal? Maybe you think so, it's up to you. I just think that the longer you are out there SURVIVING, working your arse off making music, the more respect you deserve. Like how everyone disses the 'Stones just cause they're OLD. Let's disregard the music! Anyway, I'm going off topic. And I'm done now. ~~Richard The Psico Obssesed Fan Angel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:39:50 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: Dear Richard and Lorrie. > <<"Jewel write her own songs, dido doesn't">> > > That's an extremely valid point! If whether or not you have written what > your singing doesn't count, you might as well group Justin Timberlake and > Paul McCartney together. you didn't reply to all of what I said. I was quoting people who were accusing Dido of not writing her own songs. I guess you didn't read what I said.... That she DOES in fact write her own songs. and whether or not someone writes their own songs, doesn't make them a horrible singer. So,,, just because one doesn't write their own stuff, that means they can't sing? Their singing "doesn't count"?? What about those people who perform on Broadway? Their great singers.... but because they're singing a song written by Andrew Lloyd-Webber, their singing doesn't count, right? cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:01:35 EST From: JeWeLzKeWL@aol.com Subject: [EDA] A Cool Pic of Jewel Hey I haven't written on here in awhile! I was just wondering has anyone seen a picture of Nedra tickling Jewel? It's really cute, my friend sent it to me, but I've never seen it before.. Has any1 seen it or know more about it..like where it's from? - -Jade *Tiny Angel* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:16:36 -0400 From: angela.matheson@ns.sympatico.ca (Angela Matheson) Subject: Re: [EDA] compare Jewel to Eminem If that's the case, we should do away with all music. And he bothers all of America? If America didn't like or care about his music, they wouldn't listen to it. Joe Kunis wrote: > Tell us the positive social value of his "Music", please. Let him see a > shrink if that will be therapeutic for him, why bother all of America with > his miserable rot? I guess he thinks we must care! Really in the grand > scheme of things, this guy is SO unimportant... > JOE > > >From: "Valerie Lofaso" > >To: jewel@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: [EDA] compare Jewel to Eminem > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:27:10 -0500 > > > >It's rather ironic that one of my three posts ever since joining this list > >(almost 2 years now) has nothing to do w/ Jewel, but I can't take this rap > >stuff anymore so I'm coming out. > > > >What a lot of you (I haven't read many of the Eminem posts) seem to be > >missing, is this: > > > >Jewel's life has greatly shaped her music. Same for Marshall Mathers, > >a.k.a. > >Eminem. A lot of what he raps about either happened to him, someone he > >knows, and/or is happening right this second in this world. Do you really > >think that he's just making up trash to bother people? People witenss their > >mother being abused, People get abused; People see others use drugs, People > >use drugs; People see others get shot, People shoot other people, etc. > > > >Jewel expresses herself in her way, Eminem expresses himself in his way > >(I'll admit, I think he is very talented), as do all artists (painting, > >singing, writing, etc.) > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:18:39 -0400 From: angela.matheson@ns.sympatico.ca (Angela Matheson) Subject: Re: [EDA] compare Jewel to Eminem Finally someone who agrees... Man, all of these emails are overwhelming! Valerie Lofaso wrote: > It's rather ironic that one of my three posts ever since joining this list > (almost 2 years now) has nothing to do w/ Jewel, but I can't take this rap > stuff anymore so I'm coming out. > > What a lot of you (I haven't read many of the Eminem posts) seem to be > missing, is this: > > Jewel's life has greatly shaped her music. Same for Marshall Mathers, a.k.a. > Eminem. A lot of what he raps about either happened to him, someone he > knows, and/or is happening right this second in this world. Do you really > think that he's just making up trash to bother people? People witenss their > mother being abused, People get abused; People see others use drugs, People > use drugs; People see others get shot, People shoot other people, etc. > > Jewel expresses herself in her way, Eminem expresses himself in his way > (I'll admit, I think he is very talented), as do all artists (painting, > singing, writing, etc.) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:15:51 -0400 From: "Antonio Miquilena" Subject: [EDA] Lorrie Thanks for proving my point, now everyone in the list can see how childish you are. I won't start you know...a Hate Mail Type Of Thing here with you, cause guess what hon ? your so not worth my time. But just clearing up some things sweetie (oh I love sarcasm) 1.- I was not being contradictory, because if you see my past posts, I don't come here talking about stupid things that are not jewel related, or any other artists out there, but since Dido (an artist that i like, so yes, sue me for that) was in the topic. I mentioned it, in a defensive position. 2.- Very nice of you to make fun of the way I type, I have to say, congrats about that hon, you won the bitch award. Guess What Lorrie ? I'm not from the states, english is not my primary language, and I do oh so good dealing with 4 languages, so I'm sorry if I didn't won the spelling bee, or if I'm not typing it perfectly, but when you get to manage 4 languages very good (Italian, Spanish [main one], French and English) is not that all important if I'm perfect at them, now ask yourself, how many languages do you speak/write ? cause hell I'm even sure that you also make mistakes, and it's your primary language. Sue me dear for not spelling psycho in the right way. 3.- Competetive: meaning comparing the main topic here (Jewel) with other artists, remember they are all unique, and just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they are not better than Jewel, guess what hon, 21st century, NOONE is better than others. Thank you. 4.- Thanks for the asshole part :) I loved it, nice touch. 5.- I read the comment, and it clearly shows "SARCASM" she knows she cannot write, so she doesn't do it, is like saying "If I sing, people will shot themselves", how offensive to people that is ? She knows what she is good at, and she makes fun of the things she isn't good at, like the rest of us. 6.- This is not "Make good friends msg board" this is and I repeat "JEWEL LIST", to discuss her, and her only. Simple, you want friends ? go somewhere else. Simple. I want to read about jewel, people's opinions, the books, the cd's, the new cd, etc. Yes, I have friends, and I grant you that, if you talk TO someone about just one thing, it will be boring, you need to be diverse, and talk about other stuff, but this is not for that, got it?. 7.- Did I spelled everything correctly lorrie ? =) Thanks for the time, Antonio The Charmed Angel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:26:33 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Eminem Ok.... i have to add my little comment to this whole Eminem thing. First of all, I don't like Eminem as a musician; I'm not a fan of his music particularly, but I'm certainly not up in arms about his "message". Whilst I will admit I think he's a bit irresponsible with his image, I believe in free speech, and I think getting a rise out of people is a very good way of promoting intelligent discussion. I think Eminem serves a couple of purposes. The first is what I just said - he gets a rise out of people. I think his music has a certain shock value and I think it elicits discussions that might not necessarily come about without some kind of provocation. I definitely think this is a good thing. I hope Jewel strives to do this in her songwriting. The second good thing Eminem does is he proves that anger can be released without actually physically hurting anybody. I have a friend who tells me that when her brother gets angry he either beats up the house or goes upstairs and listens to Eminem. Which would she rather? Eminem, obviously. I think a lot of his songs are simply raw anger and raw emotion and I think that's what people respond to. They see it as an expression of anger. A very primal, very instinctive expression. And yes, there's not much thought behind it, but it gives people an avenue to release their anger that isn't violent. Yes, it's talking about violence. But talking about it is so much better than actually being violent - and is Eminem actually violent.... no. I think we really just have to take him with a grain of salt.. and realise that freedom of speech doesn't only apply to the things WE personally believe in or advocate. steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:27:35 -0400 From: "Antonio Miquilena" Subject: [EDA] Mirko Gracias Mirko, por defender un poco esa parte del email, se que en verdad fui un poco ofensivo, pero en verdad estoy un poco cansado de la gente aqui, se concentran mucho en un topico que no es jewel, y me molesta, viendo bien las cosas, tampoco fui tan ofensivo, solo la llame infantil, se que no deberia, pero bueno, lo hecho, hecho esta, nada puedo hacer, sino ofrecerle una disculpa por esa parte, todo lo demas, es lo que siento, y eso es eso. De nuevo, gracias por defenderme, tambien estoy cansado de la gente que nos juzga porque somos de otro continente, o porque simplemente no podemos hablar perfectamente el ingles, pero bueno, que se le hace, gente ignorante hay en todas partes. Lorrie, me disculpo por haberte llamado infantil, mirko me dio a ver, que estaba equivocado, al caer en insultos, pero todo lo demas del email es lo que siento. Tambien pregunto, lorrie, entendiste eso ? =) For English Speakers: Thanks Mirko, for defending that part in lorrie's email. I know I was a little offensive in the email, but to be honest, I'm a little tired of people in the list, they concentrate too much in topics that are not Jewel, and it bothers me, looking things again, I wasn't that offensive, I just called her childish, I know I shouldn't, but what's done is done, I can't do anything but to apologize for that part, everything else, is what I feel and that's that. Thanks again for defending me, I'm also tired of the people that judges (makes fun) of us, because we are from another continent, or just because we don't speak english perfectly, but oh well, what can we do ? ignorant people is everywhere. Lorrie, I apologize for calling you childish, mirko made me see, that it was wrong, to fall into the insults crap, but everything else in the email is what I feel. I also ask, Lorrie, did you understand the spanish part ? =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:53:20 EST From: GWJewelGrL@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: Dear Richard and Lorrie. In a message dated 2/27/01 9:35:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, Reecord2@aol.com writes: > <<"Jewel write her own songs, dido doesn't">> > > That's an extremely valid point! If whether or not you have written what > your singing doesn't count, you might as well group Justin Timberlake and > Paul McCartney together. > > Just to clarify something here.....Dido does write her own songs. I saw her on a special talking about how she writes a lot of her songs dealing with love and heartbreak etc...i was surprised because i didnt think she wrote them, but she does. Just thought id clear that up *the mystic angel* (and fan of Dido) Jordana "I'd rather see the world from another angle."-Jewel ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V6 #86 **************************