From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #440 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, December 7 2000 Volume 05 : Number 440 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] I'm an idiot [ChrissyPf1@aol.com] [EDA] new tour? ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] NJC/NTC -- HAPPY NEW MILLENIUM!!!! :-) ["Karacostas, Derrick W." <] [EDA] NJC/NTC -- Before you try to debate this... ["Karacostas, Derrick W] [EDA] NJC/NTC -- less confusing ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] NJC/NTC -- correction ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] re: NJC/NTC -- less confusing [waternymph ] [EDA] NJC: it worked! ["Karacostas, Derrick W." ] [EDA] Jewel/The Ghosts of Christmas Eve [RunTontoRun@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Jewel/The Ghosts of Christmas Eve ["Scott Evans" ] Re: [EDA] NJC: it worked! ["Tom Hall" ] Re: [EDA] Re: NJC/NTC -- less confusing ["James Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:18:01 EST From: ChrissyPf1@aol.com Subject: [EDA] I'm an idiot I just realized that when I donated ($25) to HGH I didn't put EDA in the subject line or whatever-- Oh man!! Is there anything I can do now?? So that it will go towards our EDA grand total? oops Chrissy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:23:32 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] new tour? Has anyone heard anything about a new tour for Jewel? I know she'll have a new CD out sometime in 2001...just wondering if the details about her corresponding tour have been ironed out yet...regarding cities she's coming to, etc. Or when can we expect to hear something? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:16:56 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC/NTC -- HAPPY NEW MILLENIUM!!!! :-) So....is everyone getting ready for the REAL new millenium??? :-) I'm sure glad 99% of civilization partied last year and got it out of their system...haha...they just couldn't wait that one extra year I guess. Anyway, for those unaware, the TRUE millenium will begin at 12:00:01, January 1, 2001. So I'll be making the most of it amongst the crowd free streets enjoying myself quite immensely...hehe. If anyone has some doubt about this speculation....simply put... 11-1 = 10 years = decade. 101 - 1 - 100 years = century. 1001 - 1 = 1000 years = millenium. 2001 - 1 = 2000 years = 2 milleniums, making 2001 the start of a new one. Why am I subtracting 1 each time you ask? Well, the counting system/calendar (at least for Christians) began in the year 1 AD. Nothing "calendar-wise" was denoted before then. Sure, there's things like 350 BC. BUT, the calendar as we know it today began with 1 AD. Not "0". hehe. Sorry to spoil the fun for everyone last year. So how do you explain the actual years *during* Jesus' life? Well, that simply wasn't "counted" as we know it. Anything BEFORE his birth is denoted BC. Beginning with the first FULL year before he was born. Anything after is denoted AD...beginning with the first full year AFTER his death, thus 1 AD. After all, when is the last time any of you have seen something like "such and such occured in 5/8 AD" or "this happened in 3/16 BC"? Haha. :-) Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:36:17 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC/NTC -- Before you try to debate this... For those who insist the new millenium has already begun (see my last e-mail to refer to what I'm talking about here) Answer these simple questions: What would you call "one year after Jesus was born"? Let's see...one year before is 1 BC...so I guess that makes it "0". Ok, that's cool. Not, what would you call "one year before he died"? Let's see...one year after he died is 1 AD....so I guess that makes it "0". :-) Now ya see why the new millenium can't begin until 2001? Unless you're going to say Jesus was both born, and died in the SAME year! hehe.... Have fun! Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:02:51 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC/NTC -- less confusing I could see where my last e-mail may have confused some people...so here's the same thing written a little less confusing. One year after Jesus' death is denoted "1 AD". Making him having died in "0". One year before his birth is denoted "1 BC". Making him born in "0". Ok, so we agree that he was born in "0". But, if this is the case, then he was born and died the same instant! See the problem with this? Therefore, as I'm sure many would agree....1 BC, simply means one year before he was born....doesn't mean he was born in "0". 1 AD means one year after his death...whenever that was. Doesn't mean he was born in "0". So WHY WHY WHY do people start counting with 0 when it comes to years, milleniums, etc.? This makes no sense. Start with 1. In kindergarten when the teacher asks the class to count to "10", what do the kids do? "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10" Yet for some reason, people start with 0 when it comes to years. Haha. I never knew there was a 0th year. :-) It's 1-----, 2-----, 3-----, 4-----, and so on to 10----- so, 1001-----, 1002-----, and so on till 2000 ----- (where the ----- means the length of time after the start of that year.) 2000 is the last full year of one millenium. When it ends, THEN the new millenium begins...which will be 2001. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:34:29 -0500 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC/NTC -- less confusing Well, technically... while I won't debate what you choose to declare as the real start of the millenium (what a complete waste of time that would be... :) ... A.D. stands for "Anno Domini", which is Latin for "Year of the Lord" -- A.D. is after the BIRTH of Jesus, not after his death. Kevin - ----- Original Message ----- From: Karacostas, Derrick W. To: 'Jewel list' ; 'Tara list' Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: [EDA] NJC/NTC -- less confusing > I could see where my last e-mail may have confused some people...so here's > the same thing written a little less confusing. > > One year after Jesus' death is denoted "1 AD". Making him having died in > "0". > One year before his birth is denoted "1 BC". Making him born in "0". > Ok, so we agree that he was born in "0". But, if this is the case, then he > was born and died the same instant! See the problem with this? Therefore, > as I'm sure many would agree....1 BC, simply means one year before he was > born....doesn't mean he was born in "0". 1 AD means one year after his > death...whenever that was. Doesn't mean he was born in "0". So WHY WHY WHY > do people start counting with 0 when it comes to years, milleniums, etc.? > This makes no sense. Start with 1. > In kindergarten when the teacher asks the class to count to "10", what do > the kids do? "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10" Yet for some reason, people start with > 0 when it comes to years. Haha. I never knew there was a 0th year. :-) > It's 1-----, 2-----, 3-----, 4-----, and so on to 10----- > so, 1001-----, 1002-----, and so on till 2000 ----- (where the ----- means > the length of time after the start of that year.) 2000 is the last full > year of one millenium. When it ends, THEN the new millenium begins...which > will be 2001. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:54:57 -0500 From: Tim Burke Subject: [EDA] Re: NJC/NTC -- less confusing At 12:02 PM 12/7/00 -0600, Karacostas, Derrick W. wrote: - ->One year after Jesus' death is denoted "1 AD". Jesus Christ's death had nothing to do with, well, anything. A.D. stands for "Anno Domini" or "Year of the Lord" if you will. The preferred current nomenclature is to use "C.E." for "Christian Era" Making him having died in - ->"0". Scholars are relatively sure Christ was born in 4 B.C. (possibly earlier) because of records involving King Herod etc. Realize also that this date was not set until the 6th century by a (monk?) named Dennis the Little. We can blame him for misstating the year of Christ's birth as 1 A.D. (as stated, there was no year zero. He also placed the date of Dec.25 for a number of reasons, including pagan Roman festivals, and other important dates in the calendar at the time.) Christ was either 32 or 33 when he died, making his death occur somewhere around 28 C.E. Derrick is correct about the millenium thing though. Since there was no year zero, millenia begin with "1" years, as do "centuries" as we know them. However, traditionally decades have no such significance, since when broken down to such a small scale, a decade can be any selection of ten years, be it 1985-1994 or 1991-2000 or whatever. - ->One year before his birth is denoted "1 BC". Making him born in "0". - ->Ok, so we agree that he was born in "0". But, if this is the case, then he - ->was born and died the same instant! See the problem with this? Therefore, - ->as I'm sure many would agree....1 BC, simply means one year before he was - ->born....doesn't mean he was born in "0". 1 AD means one year after his - ->death...whenever that was. Doesn't mean he was born in "0". So WHY WHY WHY - ->do people start counting with 0 when it comes to years, milleniums, etc.? - ->This makes no sense. Start with 1. - ->In kindergarten when the teacher asks the class to count to "10", what do - ->the kids do? "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10" Yet for some reason, people start with - ->0 when it comes to years. Haha. I never knew there was a 0th year. :-) - ->It's 1-----, 2-----, 3-----, 4-----, and so on to 10----- - ->so, 1001-----, 1002-----, and so on till 2000 ----- (where the ----- means - ->the length of time after the start of that year.) 2000 is the last full - ->year of one millenium. When it ends, THEN the new millenium begins...which - ->will be 2001. - -> "I've got a weird thing for girls who say 'aboot.'" -Chasing Amy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:51:02 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC/NTC -- correction Thanks to Kevin, we have an update. AD means anno domini, latin for the year of the Lord. Ok, so 1 AD means one year after Jesus was born. We still agree 1 BC means one year before he was born. Ok, so WHEN was he born? 0? :-) Regardless, counting years began with the number "1", not "0". Show me a 1/2 BC or 1/4 AD anywhere in the Bible (or anywhere else) if this isn't so. I'm in no way implying the first year of his life wasn't relevant, it just wasn't "counted" in calendar terms. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:06:08 -0500 (EST) From: waternymph Subject: [EDA] re: NJC/NTC -- less confusing ummm. ok, while derrick is correct is saying that numerically the millenium doesn't start until jan 1, 2001, there are some misconceptions about christ's years on earth not being accounted for, etc. the main issue seems to be that A.D. does not stand for after death, but instead it is the latin ANNO DOMINI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:34:21 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] NJC: it worked! Hahah....hey Mike, how about that "***RARE***" Jewel CD you promised me now for getting things "going" again on the list? ;-) hehe...come on, pay up! And before yall all start swarming him with e-mails...let me just say he had nothing to do with this....really, he didn't. Honest. Just trying to see if people are still awake around here. Afterall, everyone KNOW's we only have 23 more days until the new millenium! hehe...or is it, 22? j/k PS...it's 24, yeah! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:05:34 EST From: RunTontoRun@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Jewel/The Ghosts of Christmas Eve Was that the same show that was on TV last year? anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:13:58 -0500 From: "Scott Evans" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel/The Ghosts of Christmas Eve <> In a word....yup. scott.evans [[crazy is just YOU and ME. AMPLIFIED.]] AOL IM: sevans112 / YahooIM: sevans56 \ scott@tanweb.com Planet Jewel - A Jewel Fansite [http://jewel.tanweb.com] Little Plastic Pages, my site [http://tanweb.com/scott] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:19:48 EST From: BlissNangels@aol.com Subject: [EDA] NJC the sundays/wild horses You must be talking about the Sundays. They did a cover of that song a few years back....well, more than a few. You should go buy the cd. It's a really good one. The album is called "Blind" and they have some copies at half.com for way cheap. Here's the link: http://www.half.com/products/music/detail.cfm?item=1769711 I just love half.com! Might find some Jewel stuff while you're there too. :) Steph theVWluvin'Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:14:01 -0500 (EST) From: TrixyEDA Webmaster Subject: [EDA] wild horses i too have that song i DLed from a umm.. place.. and the closest guess i have is sheryl crow (is that how u spell it?) i think it is her, especially when shes talking about the song b4 she sings it.... id really like to give credit where its due so if im wrong please let me know ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:29:39 +0100 From: "Tom Hall" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: it worked! If you were trying to annoy me, it definately worked! Who cares when the new millennium is/was? It was just an excuse for a good party, as it will be this year! Oh yeah, and it was also the spawn of many a tacky, unimaginative novelty song! If you were trying to get the list busy again, how about asking the list what their perfect setlist would be for Jewel's new album? That could also help Jodi making her new tape. So yeah, here's mine... Satellite Serve The Ego Kiss Your Ass Break Me Stephenville Marital Carnival Do You Want To Play Jessica Flower Carnivore God's Gift To Women Food Stamp Love Love Me Just Leave Me Alone Down So yeah, that's what I'd like to see... It'd also be a really good mix between acoustic and band stuff, so a tour with an hour of each would be great too! I'm sure she'll have a couple of new songs up her sleeve for us though! Now just watch as no-one replies to this with their lists making me look really dumb! Tom. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:58:19 -0000 From: "James Smith" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: NJC/NTC -- less confusing Just thought I would weigh in on a side thing here, though I'm not sure how accurate it is.... He may have placed Christ's birth on Dec 25 (I think mainly, like it was pointed out, to fall in line with the Pagan holiday for the winter solstice which I believe some wiccan's call Yule, which if I remember right was supposed to be the birth of a "divine king" long before Christianity came about, and can be called "the return of the Sun God" Where he is reborn of the goddess. Now, if I remember the other side of the coin, the bible mentions that Christ was born during the time when sheppards watched their flock by night... Which would NOT be in December, as that most herd animals are put in close together, under shelter during the winter months, so probably no later than late fall, and most likely during the summer months.. (Now, on the other hand, I guess if they ever decide to place Christmas somewhere else in the year for accuracy, they could put it in June for the summer solstice) Anyway just my two cents.. Js ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:06:29 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: [EDA] FWD: JeweLink: December 7, 2000 Here is the latest issue of JeweLink, directly from Jewel's "people", if you want to get a copy of this directly as each issue comes out, you can sub- scribe to it by sending a blank email to join-jewelink@list.jeweljk.com ******************************************** JeweLink - The Official Jewel Communications List ******************************************** Hi all, First today, a reminder that Jewel is among SheDaisy's guests on their holiday special, "A SheVery Merry Christmas," tonight on TNN at 8:00pm EST. This special will be repeated several times this month. Please see the www.jeweljk.com calendar for additional broadcast dates and times. Now, on to something new! We'd like to announce our new Jewel Fan Poll. It's easy to participate and you can remain anonymous. Just visit the calendar page at www.jeweljk.com and click "Jewel Fan Poll." Answer multiple choice questions with a mouseclick and submit. It's that simple. Whenever we change the questions, we'll let you know in a JeweLink. We just posted some questions about what you would be interested in knowing more about related to Jewel's family, Alaska, her career and photos. We'd love to hear what you have to say. You'll see the current results that include your input, as well as the responses of others, displayed to you immediately! If you fill in your email address, when the poll has ended, it will also automatically email you the final results. We're also interested in your ideas of what would be good polling questions. Questions must fit the polling format, which necessitates multiple choice answers. Please send your suggestions to pollquest@jeweljk.com. (Please do not hit reply to this message, as your idea will reach us only if you send it to pollquest@jeweljk.com.) Please join us and take the current poll and see how you compare to others. Enjoy! MrBB - --- You can help a friend subscribe by having them send a blank email to join-jewelink@list.jeweljk.com To view selected back issues of JeweLink, please visit the JeweLink Archive at the www.jeweljk.com calendar page. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V5 #440 ***************************