From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #429 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, November 30 2000 Volume 05 : Number 429 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Jewel Rosie [kevin maguire ] Re: [EDA] JewelStock [JewelMic@aol.com] [EDA] pop business.. [RockerGrl34@aol.com] [EDA] Holiday Contest from Me :) [Wesllow@aol.com] [EDA] New Songs:I have an idea [Jodi Lynn Damon Subject: [EDA] Jewel Rosie Yes Jewel was Beautiful!!!! Hey Jewel how bout a date! Anyways, the only part i didnt like was Jewel kinda seemed like she didnt want to talk that much. or at least about her past. when Rosie asked her, who founded her. She maybe thought rosie or everybody already knows the story, i would have LOVED it if she would have given PROPS to Steve Poltz (he's Great!) and Was it Java Joes? or Interchange where the record producers came to see her. I know Interchange is not around anymore, but Java Joe, he was at the Poltz show on Friday, and his coffee shop is still around. Where was it that Steve was singing at and she was the waitress?? Also Steve Poltz and the Rugburns will be playing near the End of January in San Diego, so go check them out!!! kevin....the Concert angel. _______________________________________________________ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:30:39 EST From: JewelMic@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] JewelStock In a message dated 29/11/00 21:29:06 GMT Standard Time, scott@tanweb.com writes: > .. If you don't have the set, you should get it.. > > Would someone be kind enough to make me a copy of JewelStock? I'll pay for the shipping and tapes. I would say I would trade with someone, but I am angelfoodless. So, I would greatly appreciate this. Thanks so much in advance. Have a nice day. - -Kimberly- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:29:32 EST From: RockerGrl34@aol.com Subject: [EDA] pop business.. I'm gonna have to say i agree with Chris.. I think thats who said this.. <> .. Pop is NOT neccesarily Christina, Britney, N'SYNC, etc.. Blink 182 is considered POP.. Ben Folds Five is conisdered POP.. they don't sound like those teeny bopper love songs to me. Pop is reffering to POPULAR songs, POPULAR music. I wish that the title "pop" didnt make you think of britney, etc.. but it does, and that's a shame. I understand both sides though.. katie *the sarcastic angel* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:01:16 EST From: Wesllow@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Holiday Contest from Me :) Hi Angels, Well, since the Holidays seem to be rolling in I am feeling particularly giving right now so I will be holding a little contest till Sat. Night. I tried to be creative with this contest but because of personal time restraints and just the plain craziness that surrounds this time of year I have decided to make it a "quote contest" All Eda's are eligible to enter and all you have to do is send your favorite quote that you think best represents what this time of year is all about, it could be a Jewel quote or just one that may be your personal favorite- please make the quotes around 4 sentences or less and if you feel you must make them longer then that's ok too, also if you want to explain why you think they are a good representation of the giving spirit you may also do this Send quotes to: WESLLOW4JEWEL@AOL.COM i will be accepting quotes till 12 midnight central time zone Saturday Night- ~and the prize you may be asking???....well since Jewel is going to be featured on the cover of Self magazine this December I figured I would offer one of my personal favorites from the past year The "Vogue" issue with jewel on the cover- looking mah-vou-lus! I hope you all enjoy this contest and please if you already have the "Vogue" issue, be kind not enter or enter and if you win tell me the name of a fellow angel you would like to Donate it to- Good Luck Everyone! Near you always, Wesllow ~The Redstick Indigo Angel~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:05:25 -0500 (EST) From: Jodi Lynn Damon Subject: [EDA] New Songs:I have an idea Hi Everyone, I haven't posted anything in a while because I have been busy with school. But I had an idea. Since Jewel is cranking out so many new songs, I think someone should make a compilation of them. It wouldn't be that hard to get high quality copies of them since so many of them have been on TV appearances. I have not had a chance to hear most of these songs and many of them I've heard only once. So does anyone want to volunteer? I will if no one else wants to, but I kind of want to take a break after compiling Rare JEwels. Anyway, we could include Rosie and Mick Shadows Play Serve the Ego Last standing vegabnd I wanna Fall Until the fall Adios Amigo And why not throw in Break ME, Stephenville and Violet Eyes (Although I put those on Rare JEwels) Does anyone else support this idea? I mean isn't one of the purposes of this list to share Jewel's music with each other? Like I said, I will do it if no one else volunteers, and I will gladly help give advice (I learned a thing or two through my experience) I'd love to hear your feedback either on the list or you can email me privately. Thanks, Jodi The Rare Jewel Mining Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:32:57 EST From: CleaningDuster@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Well, it's official... I wonder which studio she will do it at? Chandini ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:44:22 EST From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #428 > > You don't think they've generated any profit off of her yet? Come on! > She > > may not be the #1 best selling artist of all times, but she's sure as > hell > > sold enough records to make Atlantic a lot of money. > > I'm only guessing, but once the distributors/retailers take their share, > Atlantic would only end up maybe one or two dollars max. Once the > costs of the promotion team and advertising are considered I'd doubt > that they would have made much, if any, from promoting Pieces for > three years. Then they put a lot of effort in promoting Spirit as well and > I'm sure they might have been a little disappointed by its relatively 'low' > sales. Atlantic take a lot more than that. It's the artists that end up getting ripped off, not the record company. I don't know exactly how it works.. but I know record companies make money when a cd sells 4 million copies. I also know Ani Difranco is one of the highest paid musicians out there BECAUSE she has her own label. She does, however, have a distribution deal.. but she gets millions from each record personally.. and they don't sell nearly as well as Jewel. That leads me to believe that distributors and retailers don't take as much as you think they do. > When they invested in Jewel they considered her a long term artist, > also they had high hopes that she would spearhead a major overseas > push for many of their domestic artists, but unfortunately things > didn't work out for them. And since Jewel has hinted at least once that > she's ready to retire from music I'd guess they'd want to get their > money back sooner rather than later Jewel hasn't been hugely successful in Europe.. but she's done well in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and some Asian countries. And again, Atlantic have most certainly made their money back.. They're not in the business of LOSING MONEY off 20 million records sold.. i don't know what i have to say to get that into your head.. but no major corporation puts that much money into an artist so they don't get it back after 20 million records sold. those kind of risks are NOT taken. also - jewel only hinted that she was considering retiring because she was exhausted and wanted a break. after she had a break she essentially retracted that statement saying she had found her passion for music again.. and she was ready to keep going. > > >Hopefully they'll release the > > > first Jewel pop record, > > > > I hope to god they don't. I don't want another Britney Spears or > Christina > > Aguilera, I don't want Jewel to resemble them in ANY way. > > Why should a Jewel pop record need to resemble Britney Spears or > Christina Aguilera. Pop doesn't necessarily have to be crap. > Weren't the Beatles a pop band, I don't remember them making > very many crap records. The Beatles WERE a pop band.. but most of their good stuff is the latter stuff, the stuff that was not pop. Secondly, the kind of "pop" that's out there right now certainly doesn't represent the beatles.. not even their older stuff. there are not very many artists that are POPPIER than jewel and also good... that's just how it is. > I want more Jewel too, but I want to be able to watch Jewel on > TV and listen to Jewel on the radio, I can't do that at the moment. > I know that's selfish of me. Does she have to compromise her artistic integrity just so she can be on the radio? Success is not measured the way you seem to think it is. > > She hated > > that part of the industry so why would she get on her hands and knees and > > and worship the industry now? She's got more than enough money (which > just > > goes to prove that if *SHE* made that much money off her other records, > so > > did Atlantic), so she doesn't need to sell her soul to the record > executive > > pimps just to get rich. > > It doesn't prove anything except that Jewel had a very savvy manager > in the early days. Jewel got nothing more than any other newly signed artist. she didn't HAVE a manager when she was signed. she was approached by atlantic ... atlantic are not going to say "oh look.. it's a folksinger from san diego.. let's give her all the money she makes because she'll do so well!!" (don't forget this is in a time of grunge rock.. not female folk) Atlantic's projected sales figure on her first album were somewhere around 30 000. It was only after they released it and saw the reaction that they kept promoting it. don't forget, just because it didn't sell huge intially doesn't mean there weren't signs it could go that way. I've seen an interview with the big guy at atlantic (ron something?) where he stated that the reason they kept pushing it was because everytime they GOT jewel on the radio the phones would light up and the response would be unbelievable. > > > > > >so all the world will be able to enjoy > > > Jewel's fabulous voice. > > > > They already can without a pop release. > > People can't enjoy Jewel's music around the world > if they're unable to hear it on the radio or see her on TV. > Jewel is still unknown across most of the world. She's not unknown she's just relatively ignored. Jewel shouldn't change her style so more people will buy her music.. she should make the music SHE wants to make and if people like it.. they like it. Even if she's not huge in europe.. this list is evidence of quote a devoted little following. so is the internet. some of the best jewel websites come from europe. > > You want her to release a peice of > > crap record just so she can get recognition from people that, frankly, I' > m > > sure she doesn't WANT recognition from? > > I don't want Jewel to release a piece of crap, I want her to > release a Jewel pop record. Pop = crap is not always true. the point is - jewel doesn't WRITE pop. whether or not the new madonna album is good (and it's not bad.. but madonna is FUN not serious) or not isn't the point.. jewel doesn't sing that kind of music. why should she? she wants to be taken seriously. jewel isn't a fashion go-getter or a trend setter.. she's trying to be a serious artist. releasing a pop record (no matter how respectable it is) will not get her anywhere. and ... again.. she doesn't WRITE pop music.. she writes rock/folk music and that's what she's good at. > > If people aren't going to like her for who she is already, and her > > equisite talent that's already portrayed in her *own* style of > > music, > > At the moment very few people can choose to like her or > not as I've said before they haven't a clue who she is. If she releases a pop record they might chose to like her.. but not for who she is.. for some fake pop bullshit. she doesn't WRITE that music. people who WANT to hear it FIND her... how do you think the 1995 EDA's found her? how do you think ANYBODY went to her concerts in europe last year.. those people found her beacuse that's the thing those people are interested in. i mean she may not be massive overseas but she's certainly accessible. anybody who knows anything about music knows about jewel. why does she have to be mainstream? > > why should she change just so more people can hear > > her? > > Perhaps she thinks she has an important message to get > across to people; maybe she wants people to hear about > and contribute to her charities. the music she writes is part of that message. has anybody heard the dance remix of hands? it's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. jewel is not a pop artist.. her lyrics dont' SUIT pop. she won't be taken seriously and her message will not be RECIEVED if she does pop. she needs to do the music she wants to do .. and frankly this discussion is beyond ludicrous. it makes me angry to think that somebody wants her to change her style so she can become some huge phenomenon.. so what if the rest of the world loves her then.. she'll be making bad, laughable music and she won't have any respect. they won't be liking jewel for JEWEL.. they'll be liking her for some concocted image that she doesn't even WANT to portray. ugh... this is a completely fruitless discussion anyway because i highly doubt jewel will release a pop record. so you can forget your ridiculous suggestion. steve > > Chris. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V5 #429 ***************************