From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #412 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, November 19 2000 Volume 05 : Number 412 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #410 ["Victoria Chedeau" ] [EDA] logic vs emotion ["Tim S." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:19:08 GMT From: "Victoria Chedeau" Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V5 #410 Oh my god, you're totally right Allena. The away she acts is really mean. It mad me so sad to know that someone like Jewel, who pretends to be the most simple woman and the closest to fans (thanks to M. BB), could have both personnalities. Hell, She would act very kind and aware of the poverty, and unjustice in front of the camera, but behind, she would rather ignore a little girl in a wheelchair, who has the strength to live just for her idole! She could give her just a couple minutes of her time to say "thank you for loving me" or even a "hi" could touch somebody's heart! But ignorance is like a proof of disrespect towards people. man, I'm sad!! BYE _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:14:54 EST From: Wesllow@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Derricks comments & the TRUTH Hi Eda's , What Derrick has stated is the total opposite truth, Jamie is not trying to rip anyone off and by Knowing her personally i know she is a sweet person who just trying to make her way in life, she was sellign her magazine collection and trying to do it in a fair way, I don't quite understand what Derrick is so mad at, Ok he didnt get the Book she was selling, Life goes on, its just material posessions, but when you get on the list and start trashing my friends thats just plain MEAN and uncalled for. To everyoen who is involved in the Mag. Sale please do not take Derricks words to heart and yes i know personally that it is OK to do Business with Jamie. She is a kind and honest person just trying to make a little extra money for herself casue she is on a tight budget beign in college & living in a city like New Orleans. I hope this doesnt make any hard feelings but i thought the truth should be stated and not just Derricks uncalled for posting. Thanks Angels, Wesllow ~The Redstick Indigo Angel~ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:45:54 -0600 From: "Karacostas, Derrick W." Subject: [EDA] Please be careful! Everyone...there is an EDA on this list who is trying to make an enormous profit off of Jewel's popularity. Her e-mail is jamieangel1@aol.com Not only is she doing this, but she is also a liar. After promising to sell an item at cover value to me, she then claimed someone else wanted it really badly, so she sold it to them, at face value. Only to find out she then decides she wants to run an "auction" (without letting anyone know what the bids are!) to sell this item. If you have any dealings with this person, PLEASE be careful. Being an EDA, I don't like to be associated with people like this. I hope everyone else feels the same and will not contribute to her profits. Jewel deserves the excess money, if anyone. It's not right, and it shouldn't be allowed to occur. We all know Jewel herself would never condone any behavior like this, and I'd rather be a part of a "group" Jewel supports, rather than something she would reject. Derrick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:37:34 EST From: JewelKGirl@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: meet and greet I don't know..... the world is messed up. People suck. Allena "Doesn't anyone believe in love anymore?" -Jewel Kilcher ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:22:08 EST From: Wesllow@aol.com Subject: [EDA] New Song @ New Orleans show Jessica, I totally remeber when she said she had just writtena new song and when I was watchign the webcast i thoguht it kinda sounded familiar, thats kewl , you have a way better memory than me LOL....of course the night of the concert i was kinda floating on cloud nine so i dont remember much- did you get any audio or Pictures from the NO cocert if you did i would love to buy or trade anythign from the concert with you..i didnt get anything and then felt like a fool when i saw all the flashes go off and my being to scared to bring my camera ..lol anyways ..your not alone i was at that concert too..it was a great concert Adios Angels, Wesllow ~The Redstick Indigo Angel~ << She told the audience "This is a new one--I just wrote it today." I was listening specifically for the lines "Call me naive/ but I believe/ that your two blue eyes/ are all I need" It was a little more polished on netaid, but it was most definitely the same song. Were any of you at the New Orleans show and remember this? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:22:15 -0500 From: "cymbaline" Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel is Mean > oh i don't mean she hates performing...i mean she hates all the stuff that > goes along with it...meaning> > signings........umm......appearances....interviews.... LOL, I'd hate doing interviews too.... especially if after 6 years people would STILL be asking me... "so, you lived in Alaska with no electricity and running water. what was that like?" and "what was it like living in your van?" "Can you yodel for us?" After hearing those questions countless times, I would be ready to strangle someone. cymbie tree hugger - -- when night falls it's dawn one must reach for. - -a. camus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:06:51 -0800 From: "Tim S." Subject: [EDA] logic vs emotion Essential what issue is at stake is really about is something more then all these superficail comments. That being said, I am going to address some of those commentse first, because i dont agree with them. Also, because i think an opposing view/opinion needs to be presented so people with opinion's/view's in the "middle-of- the-road" can have another view/opinion to look at. Something else to keep in mind as far as my commenting is as follows, I am not making any of the comments to change the minds' of people who believe one set way or the other. That would be just arguing and quite impossible. I simply dont belive my comments are going to change the way you think, if your mind is allready set in its way and belief's. Again however, I do belive my comments may sway you one way or the other if you are more on the fence about these things. Thusly that is why i am presenting my opinion/view in response to these specifics comments. >To: mjawt@juno.com >Subject: Re: [EDA] the whole autograph thing >Cc: Jewel@smoe.org > >Hey Sparks if your gonna quote me Please use the Whole thing..... I said >Jewel and other Clebs should spend more time with the people that >matter....The Fans!!! Us, ALL of US, i dont remember if this was in this >sentence or another one, but you are taking things that i said out of >context. > >Wendy matters you matter, i matter, anyone who has been touched by jewel, >bought a jewel ticket bought her Cd's videos We are all Part of Jewels >Career. With out Us (us as in ALL the Fans) she would be nothing...a one >hit wonder maybe, but if we didnt buy her stuff, go to her shows, there >would be NO Jewel. sure she might be a small musician or still write books, >but there would be no EDA's and her job wouldnt be as an Artis. > Of course we all matter, but not beacuse we support her "carrer". We matter because human beings, all human beings have the same worth. Young, old, disabled, active, etc. Her "carrere' would suffer, the amount of money she made would suffer, but she would be far from "nothing". Shes a musican and as such her ability to write a songm, her ability to sing in thtat wonderful three register voice, her ability to adlib while she sings live, her ability to try new directions and ideas with her songs, all of that easily seen musical talent would continue to exist. All of that is true regardless of the amount of records she sells, the amount of tickets she sells, and the amount of people she chooses to be friendly or unfriendly too. Further, to say that there would be "NO" jewel if "we didnt buy her stuff" or "go to her shows", is not logical. Are we to think that 2000-2500 EDA, and I use that term loosly as i would say ones who are really active and invloved are small percentage of those subscribed to the list, are the ones that helped her to sell millions of albumns? Helped her to sell all her books? Helped her to sell out her large venue shows? No, logicaly if we subtract the 2500 potential customers in the EDA, how much does that impact the sales of her "stuff". Not much, and that means that she would be still as large as she is. It's just not logicall to think that without you or me as a fan she stops being a musica, and all of that that is tied in with that , is foolish. >Her Job.... > > >i do recall she says She LOVEs her job..... so isnt it her Job to sign an >autograph for her fans? for her to Thanks the people that came from far >away to see her? people that waited 2 hours in the cold or whatever to just >say hi, maybe get a picture, something to make there contribution complete. >I know we get her music and her Awesome voice, and she is very easy on the >eyes! But if she is not down with her Fans! her homies, the people that >KEEP her employed, then she is Nothing.....Nothing with out us..... > Well if you look at this logically, her job would be to make music. Which she does and then releases an albumn with that music. She also plays shows that support that music. She happens to have a benifiet to sell books and other artsy things that tap her other artistic/creative sides. If her job is to make music, does she have to sign autographs?, thank people?, let people take pictures? No, her job is to make music. When did making music have anything to do with those things above. Never has had anything to do with that, never will. Again, lets be logical here, her making music has nothing to do with her being "down" with her fans. The author of the email is writing like he is speaking for her 5 million fans, which i am using as a general number sense that is the amount of POY she sold more or less, which he knows personally somehow. In reality what he is writing for is the small group of EDA on the list, which again numbers about 2500. Logically do the math, how much are we going to effect her ability to be employed. > > >Just a little thought....... > > >kevin... =) >From: Agent BB >Reply-To: agentbb007@yahoo.com >Subject: [EDA] Jewel is Mean >To: jewel@smoe.org >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk > > >This issue of Jewel cursing out her fans and being >rude isn't the first time it's been discussed. Now if >Jewel was only a jurk once in awhile 1) No one would >know, because it would be rare. 2) We would never hear >about it. But for example I remember reading how >Jewel was a jurk when making the movie RWTD, and a >personal experience from me who only "met" jewel once >was at the HGH benefit concert in LA, where I yelled >"Thank Me!" and she yelled back "F U I dont even know >you" Now this was in front of the whole crowd being >taped I can only imagine what she would have done or >said if there were only a few people around. >So people need to give up on the "no one is perfect" >idea and "everyone has bad moods", because face it >Jewel is in a bad mood a lot more often then other >people and celebs, which is proven true with all the >personal experiences people have told. >The best thing to do when Jewel tells you to screw off >or flips you off is to just laugh it off. (But Jewel >needs to relize this(laughing) is hard to do, when it >is coming from someone you love) >BB Indeed it isnt the first time its been discussed on this group. Sense it's a group about jewel, why wouldnt you jear the bad with the good. We hear about it because this group is a small specific group based on Jewel. It should be about her music, and information about that music. Of course it has become about what she wears, who shes dating, how she acted, etc etc. That's why we hear about her sometimes behaving in someway that offends someone. Negitive comments get noticed, not good. More often then not good comments don't even get sent because its expected for the artists to act in that way. Remember too, the time the public sees her at a show type situation is such a small percentage of time compared to her whole life. By the same logic, you cant assume with the limited microcosom of information you have about her interaction with other people from this list vs her whole public interaction, that you can she acts a certain way, offensive in this case, more then some of the time. >From: JewelKGirl@aol.com >Received: from JewelKGirl@aol.com > by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.33.) id p.a6.c3430dc (4256) > for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:49:41 -0500 (EST) >Message-ID: >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:49:41 EST >Subject: [EDA] Re: meet and greet > > >Jewel has no right to disregard the people that she has attracted with her >music. I'm sick of hearing that she's too good to meet her fans.... that is a >crock of shit. If she didn't want to become famous and have to deal with the >world, then why doesn't she just say that she's done? I'm sick of hearing >all of these things like she doesn't have time. Fame and fortune REQUIRE time >and people. If she can't deal with it, and if she doesn't like it, then why >doesn't she quit bitching and do something about it. I'm sorry that I am so >harsh about this, but I'm just outraged about how Jewel is handling this. >PLUS, most can tell that she wants to be home in Alaska. That's all she ever >talks of in her new book. I'm sorry about offensing everyone, but Jewel's >attitude stinks. I never want to become famous... I'm glad that my songs that >I have written really suck. Goodnite. > > >Allena No one is saying she is too good to meet with her fans. Thats a matter of yoour perception of what your reading on this list. Logically what does her saying 'she's done" have to do with the fact that she's famous and having to deal with the world.? Nothing that i can see. If she said she was quiting the music business, would this make her less famous? Less aproached? Logically you would have to say of course not. You cant undoo whatever amount of fame you have. While i am taliking about fame, where did this idae that she wanted to be famous come from? Again, shes a musician, she makes music, that has nothing to do with being famous. Just beacuse you become famous when your music sells in large amounts doesnt mean she was loooking to be famous. Let's logically think about the comment "fame and fourtune require time and people". If we assume she is offensive a large amount of the time and she is still as successful as she is, why would she change? Logically she wouldnt, so that argument doesnt hold up to examination. >To: mjawt@juno.com >Subject: Re: [EDA] the whole autograph thing >Cc: jewel@smoe.org > > >What your saying is part true....Jewel would still be Jewel that grew up and >had her past, and was raised the way she was.... but she wouldnt be the >person she is today....just think about Old school Jewel, inviting people >to come see her, handing out flyers, makeing the flyers her self, and >tapes and drawing on them, etc etc..... If WE the People didnt dig her so >much, she would still basicly have the same heart, and maybe wrote the >same songs after being famous, but probable not, she would have been thru >different situations, if she never got big, there would be no Sean Penn, >No spirt world tour, No Jmerch, no HGH, No clearwater project. etc etc. I >agree she for the most part would still be Jewel Kilcher.... but with Fame >and Money, comes power, and you Do Change as a person. If Jewel never got >big, maybe she would be like Old school Jewel, doing things for the Fans, >for the music for the Chance to play and just to have people come and listen >to her, just for her to be able to sing and interact with >people....remember the Jewel that did 3 to 4 hour sets in the coffee shop. > > >I do think in a small part jewel owe us, or all celbs in general. They are >making money off us, that is the bottom line...if it dont make DOLLARS it >dont make Sence... If we are not into the celb. then they are just commen >people for the most part, no Freebies, no photo shoots, no Mag. covers, >no big checks, no world wide vacations, If she didnt want the fame, didnt >want the money the power the recognition. She didnt have to sign a record >deal. She could be just Jewel a girl that lives in her Van, who loves to >play in coffee shops, and is doing what she loves, and making friends, and >building relationships. > > >Anyways this is getting too long. There is a responisibility and an honor >and role model status for being famous, not just talking like your a good >person, doing some good things, and deep down in side your lying to your >self and the world....kinda like that sleazy President Clinton. But i do >understand that she could be tired, and all that so i am not knocking her, >but still Celbs should do more for the people that put them there.... she >could have signed books in NY last month, she can throw an EDA concert.. >what ever. > > >Well this is just my thoughts....and i wrote a lot of stuff...so i am too >lazy to proof read, but i think i said things the way i wanted too..... > > >Also Sparks are you a Christian? you meantion God offten, about Jewel >still being the person he meant for her to be, also in your email about >Wendy..... Just wondering brother.... > > > >Kevin the Holy Angel, who is not right not wrong...just a guy.... >On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:43:26 +0000, mjawt@juno.com wrote: What i think the whole larger issue is about is simply, are you listening to jewel's music because its about the "music" or are you listening to jewel's music because the music means something more to you. The more can be a lifestyle, a belief, ideas it inspiers you to, ways you think you should act, etc. The "its about the music" is becaue you want to see how her songs emotionally move you, how long she can hold a note, how she uses her musical influences to effect her singing, etc etc. I of course am in now way saying one way or the other is the proper, the only, the best way to feel about her music. In the end its about either accpeting her musical talensts and seperating anything she does as a person from them. Because those talents are what they are, amazing and unique within the music industry. If you can do that, then you can say to yourself, "well she did this or that, and its good or bad, but it doesnt change any of the talent or ability she has as far as music is concerned". If thats the case i am pretty much "preaching to the chior" as they say. Nuff' said. Or you have to accpet the fact that you cant sepertate what she does as a person from her musical talents. If thats the case, then I have no right to tell you that you shouldnt feel a certain way when you read or experince Jewel doing something to offend you. What i can say is use some logica and seperate those emotions from her musical talents and what you think of those talents. Does any one of her songs become less moving to you, less well sung, less well performed beceause she did whatever? Logically it shouldnt. Let me end this long ramble with the following. Its great to be passionate about things. It shows that you care and that you have emotions to help take something beyond the ordinary. Givin that fact, I will redily state taht i am passoinate about music. I am passionate about the music jewel makes, about her musical talent. Sense its about the music, allways about the music for me, I never let anything other then the music effect what i think of the music. I would hope that you can think about that and try to come to the same common ground. It should always be about the music. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V5 #412 ***************************