From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #408 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, November 18 2000 Volume 05 : Number 408 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] The Whole Meet and Greet Jewel thingy ["~*~Sandy~*~" ] [EDA] Jewel is Mean [Agent BB ] [EDA] NJC: My Website [Shannon Mackie ] Re: [EDA] Jewel is Mean [Scott Evans ] [EDA] NJC: My Website2 [Shannon Mackie ] Re: [EDA] Jewel is Mean [JusAgapAd@aol.com] Re: [EDA] the whole autograph thing [kevin maguire Subject: [EDA] The Whole Meet and Greet Jewel thingy I'm going to make try and make this brief since I don't really have time to make a big thing out of it, and besides so many others have responded (nicely too, good for us! LOL!) Anyways, I just wanted to say that for one thing, even though security *told* you they informed Jewel about the girl waiting outside, it doesn't mean they did. Security guards tend to have their own "ego's" from being around famous people, and take it upon themselves to say things that might not be true. I don't want to get into the long story of this, but I've been in situations like this before, and in most cases they aren't being true by saying that - they just don't want to actually go tell her. Of course, we have no way of knowing in this situation, but don't trust when someone else is telling you they informed her. Secondly, I know that when I first read this it made me a little mad, but then I thought about it, and reading these other posts about it just 'confirmed' what I was feeling. Sure, to us, the fact that she might have ignored a 'crippled' person is horrible, but think of it this way - everytime that she leaves a concert, anytime that she goes anywhere, she *constantly* has people berating her for autographs and such, and *yes* it is the price for fame, but isn't it so easy for us to say that because we aren't famous? Do we really have *any* idea what it's like to constantly be bothered like that? and how many of these people do you think might be crippled, terminally ill, have a cold, blind/deaf/mute? I'm sure she's went out of her way *lots* of times to be nice to fans, and especially fans whom some might considered disabled in any way, but if she went out there and signed her autograph, just because she's crippled, wouldn't someone complain that she didn't sign everyone else's who waited for her? That would be unfair as well right, so is she supposed to stay out there for 30 minutes to sign autographs? and then why is 30 minutes such a big waste of her time? Well, when she gets this every day it *is* a big deal, and it's not surprising that she doesn't feel like it sometimes. How many times does she have to stand out in the cold or the heat or the rain or snow and sign people's autographs? When does it become okay when she doesn't want to? After hours upon hours of her life are wasted signing autographs? Then can we have compassion to realize that she needs time to not be "Jewel Superstar" and to just be "Jewel - Relaxed Human"? Like someone else said, this isn't a "jewel is perfect" post, this is a 'jewel is human' post (which I tend to have to say alot!). On another note, I'm sure that crippled, or disabled people don't want to be treated special just because of their disability. In reality, just because someone is crippled does not make them more of a fan, or more deserving of something other than human kindness which we all deserve. If I was in that situation, I would not want to bother a weary celebrity and force them to give me an autograph just because of my condition - because they feel guilt enough to come out. Nor should we feel "extra" sadness for that person whom missed her autograph. These people are special in many ways - they know enough not to take things for granted, they know human compassion - but I'm sure that they want to treated like a normal person and not special because of their condition. JMO. SO much for brief! ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:00:09 -0800 From: "S.H." Subject: [EDA] New Angels Tape? Hello! I forgot the correct name of it, but the new tree tape that was put out not to long ago. Was it New Angels or something? Could I get a copy of that from someone? I'll pay for shipping/tape or whatever you like. I would like it to be made from an early generatoin copy as I need to make a couple copies for friends myself. Also...is there a J-card for it, if so could someone email it to me or point me to a website with it so I may print that out for my friend's? thank you a BUNCH! :-) By chance would anyone out there be willing to make me copies of Jewelstock too? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:15:45 -0800 (PST) From: Agent BB Subject: [EDA] Jewel is Mean This issue of Jewel cursing out her fans and being rude isn't the first time it's been discussed. Now if Jewel was only a jurk once in awhile 1) No one would know, because it would be rare. 2) We would never hear about it. But for example I remember reading how Jewel was a jurk when making the movie RWTD, and a personal experience from me who only "met" jewel once was at the HGH benefit concert in LA, where I yelled "Thank Me!" and she yelled back "F U I dont even know you" Now this was in front of the whole crowd being taped I can only imagine what she would have done or said if there were only a few people around. So people need to give up on the "no one is perfect" idea and "everyone has bad moods", because face it Jewel is in a bad mood a lot more often then other people and celebs, which is proven true with all the personal experiences people have told. The best thing to do when Jewel tells you to screw off or flips you off is to just laugh it off. (But Jewel needs to relize this(laughing) is hard to do, when it is coming from someone you love) BB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:22:51 -0500 From: Shannon Mackie Subject: [EDA] NJC: My Website Ok, my site is basically done. There are a few minor things I would like to fix, but point is it works. Could everyone PLEASE see my site and let me know (in my guestbook) if you like it or not? You can take my poll even if most of you have never met me, and PLEASE e-mail gurlpages (address seen on first page with Tinkerbell) and tell them to feature it. Thanks! Love you guys. XOXO Shannon "hazy" - -- ~*~*~*~*~ "Give me my Romeo, and when I shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars, and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garnish sun." - Juliet Act 3. Sc. 2 http://gurlpages.com/malenkydevotchka AIM: devotchka12 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:29:47 -0500 From: Scott Evans Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel is Mean >I yelled "Thank Me!" and she yelled back "F U I dont even know you" Was there a reason you yelled this assinine comment in the first place? I would have had the same reaction.. Scott Evans -- scott@tanweb.com Planet Jewel -- http://jewel.tanweb.com my page -- http://tanweb.com/scott i look at the cross / then I look away give you the lungs to blow me away i've watched a change in you it's like you never had wings now you feel so alive deftones, 'change (in the house of flies)' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:24:23 -0500 From: Shannon Mackie Subject: [EDA] NJC: My Website2 Just checking in case you guys don't see the link at the bottom of my page its: http://gurlpages.com/malenkydevotchka thanks - -- ~*~*~*~*~ "Give me my Romeo, and when I shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars, and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garnish sun." - Juliet Act 3. Sc. 2 http://gurlpages.com/malenkydevotchka AIM: devotchka12 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:25:18 EST From: JusAgapAd@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Jewel is Mean In a message dated 11/18/00 9:24:28 PM Central Standard Time, JusAgapAd writes: << yeah jewel is mean which makes her all the more attractive to me....actually its not like she really means it but its like she has a snooty aire and feels like she can say anything...i've met her a few times...i never said anything stupid and she was never mean to me but i can sense she could just give a shit if anyone was there...thats why i awlays ask myself...if someone is sooooooooooo not into publicity then why become a singer...why make it your business to find an agent...get a record label...and kill yourself in the process to become someone in hollywood or wherever?.....it boggles my mind that she hates it now but hey...i don't care...i love her music...she is pretty to look at....whatever.....she can be a bitch...it just means people will stop to like her and she won't be around any longer......maybe thats what she really wants. sarah >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: kevin maguire Subject: Re: [EDA] the whole autograph thing Hey Sparks if your gonna quote me Please use the Whole thing..... I said Jewel and other Clebs should spend more time with the people that matter....The Fans!!! Us, ALL of US, i dont remember if this was in this sentence or another one, but you are taking things that i said out of context. Wendy matters you matter, i matter, anyone who has been touched by jewel, bought a jewel ticket bought her Cd's videos We are all Part of Jewels Career. With out Us (us as in ALL the Fans) she would be nothing...a one hit wonder maybe, but if we didnt buy her stuff, go to her shows, there would be NO Jewel. sure she might be a small musician or still write books, but there would be no EDA's and her job wouldnt be as an Artis. Her Job.... i do recall she says She LOVEs her job..... so isnt it her Job to sign an autograph for her fans? for her to Thanks the people that came from far away to see her? people that waited 2 hours in the cold or whatever to just say hi, maybe get a picture, something to make there contribution complete. I know we get her music and her Awesome voice, and she is very easy on the eyes! But if she is not down with her Fans! her homies, the people that KEEP her employed, then she is Nothing.....Nothing with out us..... Just a little thought....... kevin... =) this is what Spark quoted.... > >kevin maguire wrote: > > > >Also that sucks about Jewel and that concert and not coming out to see > the > >girl in the wheelchair. I wish she or ALL celbs would spend more time > with > >the PEOPLE that matter > > Does Wendy Welt matter more than the rest of us who are not in > wheelchairs? I have to disagree with you on that. Everyone that loves > Jewel matters just the same. Except for that one guy who kept doing > cartwheels in the parking lot. I think he must have scared Jewel off. > But anyways, all are equal in that perspective and Jewel is probably > aware of that. > > Sparks, the Distant Angel > _______________________________________________________ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:31:54 +0000 From: mjawt@juno.com Subject: [EDA] Wendy Welt and the Autograph Argument >IanDJones@aol.com wrote: > >Everyone is making such a big fuss because Jewel supposedly blew off that one >girl. Big deal. Would it have mattered if that girl wasn't in a wheelchair? I >doubt it. No one would get pissed about it. Wheelchair or not, it's Jewel's >prerogative to not greet fans if she doesn't want to. Ian, in today's world, we live in stereotypes. It wouldn't have mattered or even been mentioned at all on this list if Wendy Welt wasn't in a wheelchair and had arms and legs. Unfortunately, that's the case. We look at someone with a disability and already form expectations and assumptions as to what they can do and what they cannot do. Big error. We don't know as much as we think we know and we shouldn't stereotype like that. >Even if >it was that girl's wish to meet Jewel, her mother probably should have >thought about the possibility of an after-concert party, or that Jewel may be >tired. She's great, but she's no super-human. Well, again Wendy's parents weren't even in Cerritos. That wasn't Wendy's mom. Okay, one of the factors of this argument is that we ourselves don't hold ourselves high enough. I don't mean that we should be egotistical, but we should love ourselves more for who we are and not put ourselves below anyone else. Hey, I feel bad for Jewel because she didn't get MY autograph. ;) I'm just as important to the world as she is. We all are. Magazines, media and the like will form subconscious structures in our brain to unconsciously think that we are below those who are famous. Um, why? LOL So why do we think we're below Jewel? Is it because she has changed our lives and made us appreciate more and view the world more than we did before we knew her? Well, if that's the case, then do that yourself. Change the world yourself. It's okay to look up to people, but you're walking the edge if you think you're ever below anyone else. So yeah, Jewel didn't get my autograph, nor did she get Gerrit's or anyone else's. But big deal. So what? We love ourselves more than we love Jewel. We have to and if you disagree, um, please e-mail me and tell me why, because I'm highly curious as to the origin of this form of this thinking. Walk with love for yourself and for others, but don't ever think you're below anyone else. Not loving yourself is the seed of many problems that arise in society today. From anorexia, bulimia, depression, hatred, etc. We start to think that someone else like Jewel is above us and get all flustered and angry when she doesn't boost our ego. Yes, I mean boost our ego. I mean, that's what it's all about isn't it? Okay, you get the little autograph, and then you're like, "Wow! I have her autograph and that makes me a lot better than before!" In our subconscious brain, we're thinking that we're not important enough because she chose to take time to sign her name, and that makes us feel damn good. :) Well, do this for yourself. Take your favorite guitar or your favorite something or other, and SIGN YOUR AUTOGRAPH ON IT. Then take a good hard look at it and just remember that that person whose name is on that guitar or whatever is the most important person in your life right now. You must take care of yourself before you can successfully take care of another. Love yourself before you truely love someone else. Okay, here's my autograph: Sparks, the Distant Angel Hmmm....yeah baby! ;) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:43:26 +0000 From: mjawt@juno.com Subject: Re: [EDA] the whole autograph thing Kevin, You had said that without us, the fans, there is no Jewel. Does the definition of Jewel mean, one who is famous and admired by fans? If that's the case, then yes, there wouldn't be the "Jewel" you are referring to. But I know of a different Jewel. I know of a Jewel that was born in Payson, Utah, grew up in Alaska to old folk songs and sang with her parents. I know of a Jewel that had a hard time growing up, but did not give up on the arts and give up on herself. I know of a Jewel who wrote songs about how she viewed the world. And I know also of a Jewel that has become a star. Now that she has fans, does that now make her Jewel? Or was she already Jewel before she even had fans like us? So do we fans feel that it is because of us that Jewel is Jewel? She would still be a singer and songwriter even if it wasn't for us, and if you disagree, you underestimate the power of the heart. Maybe not a star, but she would be the person God meant for her to be. Fame is just a facad, Kevin. It's an illusion of glamour and success. But success isn't achieved through stardom. It's not her job to sign autographs. Jewel does not owe us anything, nor should we expect her to act like she does. Sparks, the Distant Angel On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:42:49 -0800 (PST) kevin maguire writes: > Hey Sparks if your gonna quote me Please use the Whole thing..... I > said > Jewel and other Clebs should spend more time with the people that > matter....The Fans!!! Us, ALL of US, i dont remember if this was > in this > sentence or another one, but you are taking things that i said out > of > context. > > Wendy matters you matter, i matter, anyone who has been touched by > jewel, > bought a jewel ticket bought her Cd's videos We are all Part of > Jewels > Career. With out Us (us as in ALL the Fans) she would be > nothing...a one > hit wonder maybe, but if we didnt buy her stuff, go to her shows, > there > would be NO Jewel. sure she might be a small musician or still > write books, > but there would be no EDA's and her job wouldnt be as an Artis. > > Her Job.... > > i do recall she says She LOVEs her job..... so isnt it her Job to > sign an > autograph for her fans? for her to Thanks the people that came > from far > away to see her? people that waited 2 hours in the cold or whatever > to just > say hi, maybe get a picture, something to make there contribution > complete. > I know we get her music and her Awesome voice, and she is very easy > on the > eyes! But if she is not down with her Fans! her homies, the > people that > KEEP her employed, then she is Nothing.....Nothing with out > us..... > > > Just a little thought....... > > kevin... =) > > > this is what Spark quoted.... > > > >kevin maguire wrote: > > > > > >Also that sucks about Jewel and that concert and not coming > out to see > > the > > >girl in the wheelchair. I wish she or ALL celbs would spend > more time > > with > > >the PEOPLE that matter > > > > Does Wendy Welt matter more than the rest of us who are not in > > wheelchairs? I have to disagree with you on that. Everyone that > loves > > Jewel matters just the same. Except for that one guy who kept > doing > > cartwheels in the parking lot. I think he must have scared Jewel > off. > > But anyways, all are equal in that perspective and Jewel is > probably > > aware of that. > > > > Sparks, the Distant Angel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Tired of slow Internet? 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