From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V5 #407 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, November 18 2000 Volume 05 : Number 407 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "what's new" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V5 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Girl W/O Arms & Legs in Cerritos, Wendy Welt [mjawt@juno.com] [EDA] re: Jewel "too tired" to meet and greet. ["Mike Gray" ] [EDA] "meet and greet" ["Brooke Collins" ] Re: [EDA] the whole autograph thing [mjawt@juno.com] [EDA] 1 good thing and 1 bad thing~ [Spirit1924@aol.com] [EDA] stockton concert [Un4tunatadopara2@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Girl W/O Arms & Legs in Cerritos, Wendy Welt [Gerrit wrote: >I am heartbroken this morning. I saw Jewel's >performance in Cerritos last night, (she sounded >phenomenal), and afterwards we noticed a crowd of >about 25 waiting by the stage door exit. We decided to >wait for her. While we were waiting, we noticed a girl >in a wheelchair who did not have any arms OR legs. The >girls mom, (I'm assuming it was her mom), kept telling >all of Jewel's people, (roadies, security guards, and >basically anyone she could stop), about her daughter >and about how it was a dream of hers to meet Jewel. We >then continued to wait in the freezing cold for nearly >two hours with Jewels associates coming out every so >often to tell us that Jewel would be right out. Then, >after Steve Poltz, (who was so very kind and took the >time to sign autographs), and everyone else left, a >security guard came out and told us that Jewel had not >'felt like' meeting with fans and had dodged out >another door. The girl in the wheelchair's mother >nearly cried. The security guard told her how sorry he >was and that he didn't have any control over Jewels >decisions. He also said that Jewel WAS made aware of >the girl in the wheelchair who was waiting but had >decided she was too tired In response to Mariah Thomas's message below: There's a bit of misunderstanding, Mariah, about what happened at the stage door after the concert. The girl without arms and legs is my girlfriend, Wendy Welt. We were also waiting to meet Jewel, but stood out farther from the crowd outside the door, because there were some people who were demonstrating threatening behaviors by shouting and screaming. Yeah right, like Jewel will come out to that crowd... And then someone starting playing Jewel music from their Jetta really loud, which was weird. It was like they were trying to lure her out like some animal. Weird. Anyways, about Wendy Welt, the two adults that were next to her were not related to her. They were just someone's mom and dad waiting for their daughter and her friend to meet Jewel. I, too, was there. How come nobody ever notices me?? :) LOL I guess that's why Alex termed me the "Distant Angel". Anyways, I was there with my EDA shirt and a black jacket. Wendy did want to meet Jewel just as much as I did. Although it was disappointing, we agreed that it was best she did not come out there because there was no vehicle for her to go to and people were acting up and someone was doing cartwheels in the parking lot. **shrug** Jewel did say that she was tired, so we all know how that feels and it's understandable why she didn't come out. Also, about my girlfriend Wendy, she will be featured on 20/20 Downtown either on December 11th or Christmas Day, the 25th. I, too, will be on that show. :) The show will revolve around inspiration, persistance, CHOICE of happiness, and how life isn't as bad as you think it is. It will be a very powerful and moving segment that I encourage all of you angels to watch. Not just because I'm on it too :) but also because it will definately show, not just tell, how precious we all are in this world. Though Wendy was born without arms and legs, she's the most happiest person in the world that I know. Steve Poltz also said the same thing about her. I believe that God made her so precious that He wanted to keep pieces of her with Him in heaven. >EDAEDAEDAEDA@aol.com wrote: > ><<<and the more I was expected to do - until when you didn't shake hands with a >fan or talk to some poor crippled child wheeled up to us every single night, >we faced abuse and screaming "How dare you!" There was always that. They were >always threatening what they would tell the press, to make bad publicity >about us, if we didn't see their bloody daughter with braces on her teeth >sitting in her wheelchair. >>>> After being with Wendy for 20 months, it's funny to see how people react to her and how people have these stereotypes about the disabled. "Poor crippled child wheeled up"?? LOL, oh Lord, if you only knew Wendy!! LOL. I"m sorry, but she kicks my ass like every day. She's definately not poor, as she is fighting a law suit against a dangerous drug company called Abbot selling their drugs which have been proven to cause dangerous effects on people, for 300 million dollars. She's no where near crippled as she demonstrates by racing me to her bedroom without her wheelchair. You should see her dive to get that last edge. LOL, wheeled up? Well, she's capable of mobility outside wheelchairs, so that stereotype of her certainly does not fit her at all. :) Wendy and I did chat with Steve Poltz in the lobby for a while. He invited us to his next concert but I totally forgot the venue name, so if someone knows, could you lease tell me? Anyways, contrary to what Mariah perceived happened with Wendy, she did not cry. She was in fact praying for Jewel's safety. I'm glad to have met a few EDAs at the concert, especially Bob who went up to me after the show! Hey, Bob, if you would, could you please help me get a copy of that show on audio? So anyways, please watch the 20/20 Downtown airing on either Dec. 11th or 25th, (will keep you posted). We're all given avenues to make a difference in this world. If you haven't found it yet, keep walking and you will. Take care, Sparks, the Distant Angel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:21:30 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: [EDA] re: Jewel "too tired" to meet and greet. > I am heartbroken this morning. I saw Jewel's > performance in Cerritos last night, (she sounded > comfort in Jewels music and words. I am sad to believe > it was all manufactured. I'm afraid this is very much the impression I have gleaned from meeting Jewel on a couple of occasions, twice after a show, once before. I'm afraid that I've come to the conclusion, that of the two of them, I wish it had been Steve that had reached worldwide fame, because at least he seems like a pleasant person who truly cares about his fans. My experiences (which I've not posted up until now, I don't think) go something like this: 1997 (I think it was later '97, November?) in Manchester - Jewel throws away flowers given to her by a fan, signs autographs in such a bad mood that it would have been better had she not bothered - all totally illegible, and refuses to interact in any way with the waiting fans more than perfunctory grunts of acknowledgement. 1999 (May) - pre-show - Steve in fine form, very pleasant to waiting crowd. Jewel much better this time, spent a couple of minutse at least with the fans, although didn't talk too much, it was at least better. This was marred by: 1999 (May) - after-show - [I wasn't looking for an autograph, was just present] - gave someone the middle-finger for asking for a photo. Nice. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:43:49 EST From: EastAngelEDA@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] An Ideal Couple -- Living Life to the Fullest I don't get it...I just don't. LoL Gina EastAngel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:23:45 GMT From: "Brooke Collins" Subject: [EDA] meet and greet I agree that she's not obligated. And that's what I said to begin with. But there really is a price to fame. She did choose to be famous and get to have lots of money and recognition all of the other perks. She's fallible. So what? She doesn't have to be perfect. I just think she should maybe HANDLE these situations better. I do like it when she's honest. But ducking out a side door isn't honest. And most importantly, I think that the reason so many people hold her in this light where she needs to be more morally outstanding than other celebrities is because she holds HERSELF in that light as well. brooke _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:19:52 GMT From: "Brooke Collins" Subject: [EDA] "meet and greet" First of all, I already said that Jewel is not obligated. However, there is a price to fame and she chose this path for her life. By no means should she be punished for it. But with the perks comes some responsibilities. Of course she's not perfect. So what? I just think that there's a better way to handle situations. I do like that Jewel can be honest. But ducking out of side door isn't honest. Most importantly though, I think that the reason people hold Jewel in a light where she's expected to be more morally upstanding than other celebrities is because she holds HERSELF in that same light. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:15:21 +0000 From: mjawt@juno.com Subject: Re: [EDA] the whole autograph thing >Fredsteve@aol.com wrote: > >she would be hypocritical if she were to >pretend that she wanted to be signing autographs or meeting crippled >children.. Well, again, Wendy Welt isn't crippled, nor being 20 years old, a child. >I think it's very easy for one of us to say how we would most definitely go >and meet the disabled... but think about it from Jewel's perspective. She >played hundreds of concerts last year.... every night there is some disabled >person, or some obsessive fan, or some cancer victim or some person who >EXPECTS Jewel to come and hug them... and frankly, it must get a little >draining. I mean I know these people are not having the best time, but it is >NOT Jewel's responsibility to make it better for them. Well Steve, how do you know they're not having the best time? Even ask Gerrit, every song that Wendy wanted Jewel to play, she played. True, she may not be as big of a Jewel fan as I am, and had to keep asking me, "What the song that goes 'Baby let's get in the car, I'm gonna take you real real far'?", but she enjoyed the whole concert. I noticed a man in the very front row with crutches and a limp. He may have also had a speaking disability. But he looked to me like he had a great time and after the concert, he had a big smile on his face. Well, I would imagine. I'd have a big 'ol smile on my face sitting in the first row. :) >I will concede, it's a bitchy thing to do on Jewel's part.. to ignore a >disabled person because you don't feel like it... Well, not really. It was a bit bitchy for the fans to assume and pout for Jewel to come out. >Yes it would have been NICE if she greeted the disabled child... but she >didn't want to.. and so be it. That doesn't make her music a crock of shit.. >it simply makes her selfish at times - which we all are. True, Steve. It would have been oh so nice. :) LOL And yeah, we are all selfish at times, and points to you for acknowledging that. We have to work on US. Not Jewel. We have to fix US, not Jewel. >kevin maguire wrote: > >Also that sucks about Jewel and that concert and not coming out to see the >girl in the wheelchair. I wish she or ALL celbs would spend more time with >the PEOPLE that matter Does Wendy Welt matter more than the rest of us who are not in wheelchairs? I have to disagree with you on that. Everyone that loves Jewel matters just the same. Except for that one guy who kept doing cartwheels in the parking lot. I think he must have scared Jewel off. But anyways, all are equal in that perspective and Jewel is probably aware of that. Sparks, the Distant Angel ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:40:52 EST From: Spirit1924@aol.com Subject: [EDA] 1 good thing and 1 bad thing~ Hello Angels, I will start off w/ the good thing...I like Jewel's hair better dark brown like in her 1st WWSYS video, she looks so beautiful with that color hair. For the bad thing, if the whole thing about "not feeling to meet and greet" is true then that was a rude thing for Jewel to do, if she was having a long conversation with that guy (I forgot his name) and didn't greet some of her fans thats not good at all, she acts like since fame has arrived she can't greet her fans anymore, Steve does and goes to all the Jewel show as Jewel does, I just don't think that's right. It's not like Jewel is on tour b/c then I might have alittle sympathy, but she's not. So what is this saying?.... I will always love Jewel's music and videos etc., but I have to say I hate that fame has effected her. Thanks for your time. ~Kristin~ *The East Coast/ Independent Angel* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:12:47 EST From: Un4tunatadopara2@aol.com Subject: [EDA] stockton concert hey angels... this is just a quick note about the concert last night. it was wonderful. jewel seemed to be in a wonderful mood and she put on a wonderful show. she opened with a beautiful version of foolish games and just did a great job. she sang about a 4 or 5 song set with steve in the middle of her set. they did a great imporv. song "love is a rose"... it was so cute. steve did a great job as usual. he is awsome live. did any other angels go on friday? i would love to hear what you thought about it. peace nicky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:11:51 -0800 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] Girl W/O Arms & Legs in Cerritos, Wendy Welt Mark wrote: > Wendy and I did chat with Steve Poltz in the lobby for a while. He > invited us to his next concert but I totally forgot the venue name, so if > someone knows, could you lease tell me? It's at the Casbah, for the third time Mark! ;P The day after thanksgiving. Go get tickets now! =) Gerrit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:14:32 EST From: KSco2001@aol.com Subject: [EDA] The rugburns Where can I buy steve poltz albums? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:36:18 EST From: IanDJones@aol.com Subject: [EDA] That disabled girl... Hi guys, Now, before anyone attacks me, I just need to say "I am disabled, myself." I was born with a birth defect called spina bifida. (It's a bit too complicated to explain here, but the upshot is I use a wheelchair. Check out sbaa.org for details.) As far as I can remember, I have never used my being disabled as a weapon (if you will,) to demand special treatment. Yes, I have recieved special treatment, but never demanded it. I'm not one for pity. The whole "membership has its priviledges" thing never really appealed to me (except in joking with friends.) Yeah, opening doors for me is great, and I do go through the exits on the rides at Disneyland [as per their rules and the Americans with Disabilities Act], but that's about it. Everyone is making such a big fuss because Jewel supposedly blew off that one girl. Big deal. Would it have mattered if that girl wasn't in a wheelchair? I doubt it. No one would get pissed about it. Wheelchair or not, it's Jewel's prerogative to not greet fans if she doesn't want to. I don't know if there's any Beatle fans on this list, but if there are, remember when they "blew off" Imelda Marcos? They were tired, IIRC. Is it the price of fame? Perhaps. But then the price of being homeless is having to scrounge for meals and panhandle, right? (So why does anyone go homeless?) Jewel has no need to be ashamed. She is guilty of nothing. Even if it was that girl's wish to meet Jewel, her mother probably should have thought about the possibility of an after-concert party, or that Jewel may be tired. She's great, but she's no super-human. (Besides, where does it say "Jewel MUST meet with fans after concerts, no exceptions"?) I could see the reason for all the hub-bub if Jewel met with OTHER fans, just not that one girl. Then, yes, I would be upset. But as she apparently didn't meet with anyone, (except the celebs, which may have been pre-planned,) Jewel is innocent. "If I could tell the world/just one thing/it would be/we're all okay." Whew. Ok. Glad to get that off my chest. Thanks. Ian ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V5 #407 ***************************