From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #386 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, July 8 1999 Volume 04 : Number 386 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "Presence" * OR * go to the Atlantic Records site at http://www.atlantic-records.com * and go to the "On Tour" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- * Jewel Screensavers [AnglMoonlt@aol.com] * MrBB-wrong information & general confusion [ABershaw@aol.com] * Run Tonto Run [Brian H ] * Jupiter yes or no?!?! ["Lindsey M. Babb" ] * Re: Steve drunk at concerts [Maffe Aap ] * Re: [Steve drunk at concerts] ["Kevin B.Pease" ] Re: * Steve drunk at concerts, plus Jewel content [Sean35RL@aol.com] Re: * Steve drunk at concerts [JMHuber99@aol.com] * Re: Pablo Neruda? Ogden Nash. [Courtney M Gordon ] * Re: The Steve Poltz WITCH HUNT [Mary Olmos ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:54:18 EDT From: AnglMoonlt@aol.com Subject: * Jewel Screensavers A long time ago when I first was on this list (ummm, two years ago, maybe...?) I saw a post about Jewel screensavers and I was just wondering where I could get one. I've been looking around the web but cannot seem to find any. Could someone please help me out. I'd be most appreciatve. Thanx. Moonlite ~The Angel Of Moonlight~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:00:30 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: * MrBB-wrong information & general confusion Good morning all, Today I'm here to address all the confusion flooding my mailbox. Here we go! In a message dated 7/7/99 10:40:47 PM, poyjk@hotmail.com writes: <> Nedra is not singing backup at Jewel's concerts. Occasionally in 1999, she has joined Jewel for the encore (in New Zealand, for instance) and sang the bonus track on Spirit (This Little Bird). In the past she has often performed duets with Jewel on various songs. For complete & accurate setlists from this year (including notes on where Nedra has joined Jewel), visit the 1999 setlist guide at Jewel's website. I'm not going to personally get into this big controversy about Steve Poltz, but in case reality matters to anyone, there was NO ACTUAL BEER in those gift boxes Steve gave to those daughters of friends onstage in San Diego & Irvine. Regarding the reports of an August album release & July book release: Stores talking about a new album release are simply alluding to the buzz about Jewel's Christmas album scheduled for later this year. Jewel's next book is not coming out this month. It'll be out next year. Many online book stores have it listed already, but again thats just a "temporary place holder" until it is published. If you try to actually order it from these places, you won't be able to, because it has not been published. Now, onto the movie....Although the movie may pop up for review at various film festivals (like recently posted about as premiering at a Toronto film festival in September), the general release date to movie theaters has not been decided yet. As soon as that date is decided, I promise to let everyone know both here and on Jewel's website. And finally....Yes, Jewel herself mentioned on stage in Salt Lake City Tuesday night that she was born in Payson, Utah, when actually she was born at Payson Hospital in St George, Utah. All I can say is that on the day she was born, she was still quite young, so her memory may be a bit hazy, hehehe... ;-) Hope that helps with some of the general confusion & wrong info flying around the internet lately. All the best, MrBB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:37:22 CDT From: Brian H Subject: * Run Tonto Run Ok, I LOVE this song! It is really so awesome, but I'm really confused by the lyrics. Jewel explained once about how Tonto means Stuipid in the Indian language or something, so is she referring to that in the song, or is she just using it as a name? Another thing is I always thought the lyrics were: Run Tonto Run Pay your hallow frame Run tonto run You've let your blood in vain but everywhere I've looked they all thought it was Run Tonto Run Pale hollow flame Run tonto run You've let you blood in vein So, I've just been thinking about this song a lot latley, and I'm just wondering what other people think about it. Ok, thanks! ;o> ߮I@N "The Jelly Doughnut of an Angel" halaasb@hotmail.com <-- To contact me personally lifeuncommon@hotmail.com <-- contact regarding Life Uncommon ICQ: 40694569 AIM: brianh5036 http://get.to/lifeuncommon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:11:47 -0500 From: "Lindsey M. Babb" Subject: * Jupiter yes or no?!?! I amm sooo confused! I know I know no new thing right? ;) Did Jewel change her mind about releasing Jupiter as a single? I keep seeing articles on the list about "Jewel's new single Jupiter" Are they making it up or what??? maybe I'm the only one in the dark here. Well anyways someone who knows for sure pleaseeeee tell me! Ciao babes! Love & Peace, Lindsey the Groovy Angel "Beauty, to me, is about being comfortable in your own skin. That, or a kick-ass red lipstick." Gweneth Paltrow" A kiss is a lovely trick designed by nature to stop speech when words become superfluous." - Ingrid Bergman ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:54:53 PDT From: Maffe Aap Subject: * Re: Steve drunk at concerts Hey all! Steve is probably doing it all as a joke.. never been to a Jewel/SP/Rugburn concert :-(((((((( but I just got a tape (Bedankt nog Alex :) with the Rugburns on it and there's a song where Steve wants the crowd to go beer, beer, beer etc.. And if ya take a listen at the lyrics, you'll see that it's all witty (Silver Lining i.e.) Sure, giving beer to minors is bad, but since the bottles were apparently empty, it's fine as a prank innit? Shouldn't the kids themselves not have enough brains to not drink it or something? Besides, maybe they were thinking: "Wow, a empty beer bottle from Steve Poltz, this is one hell of a collectors item.." ;) >1. It is not right to hand out cigerrates true... this is not Metellica or Van Halen. What is it with the board??? All metal-acts being like this.. Just like the other post.. All the white-trash blabla... Look I'm a huge metal fan (Metallica, System of a Down... I even like Nashville Pussy, even though they are racist.. -They are.. They have some flag, which is from a racist cult or so - I like their music.. I'm not like them.) Okay I love beer... but I tell ya, all that's given away is drumsticks and guitarpicks >Drinking on stage should not be tolorated. If younger people see Steve drinking, they might think it would be okay, Just let them dry out on stage... that'd make a great show... (sarcastic...) They could put liqour in a plastic bottle.. No one would notice.. >Jewel should say "one more time and you're gone." This is ruining her >reputation. Sure they are friends, but when you are in the public eye,things can look bad. I agree, it will.. But then I ask you.. Why are people so short-sighted that they can't see that Jewel doesn't and that Steve is just a side-kick/guitar-player... And he plays in another band who make to'lly different lyrics.. Where drunk people actually fit in.. I get the feeling I have a couple of beerdrinking cafe/pub hangers in front of me.. Sorry, but that's what I think of when I hear them.. So judging my own limitations (I've never seen them, so I could be wrong) it fits the band Poltz has performed under the influence of alcohol during a Jewel show. So, what.. Who cares.. It generally makes it a better show.. Trust me.. the alotta Dutch artists I like are tipsy on stage too.. It's better that way (Anouk, O.P. , Neuk!, Heideroosjes, Blind Justice, Acda, Billy the Kid) .. People tend to open up more... I'm not saying artists should be drunk like mad on stage.. But if they had 3 or 4 beers or so, then it's ok.. Besides being too drunk, makes them screw up the concert (Anouk Bevrijdingsfestival Amsterdam 5 May 1999 - terrible) Thanks for reading (there goes my rep..) ;) Maffe aap / Jerome ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 99 09:07:23 EDT From: "Kevin B.Pease" Subject: * Re: [Steve drunk at concerts] Matt Sullivan wrote: > Here are my thoughts on Steve's behavior at concerts. > 1. It is not right to hand out cigerrates, this is not Metellica or Van > Halen. Matt, I don't follow this logic at all... it's okay to hand out cigarettes at a "rock" show, but at a Jewel show, that's completely intolerable? Please... How much would you like to bet that just as many smokers listen to Jewel as listen to Metallica or Van Halen? (Probably more people that smoke listen to Jewel than listen to the "new" incarnation of Van Halen with Gary Cherone... :) Let's not just assume that Jewel's audience is a bunch of prim-and-proper Puritans, because that assumption is most probably false. It takes all types... > 2. Drinking on stage should not be tolorated. If younger people see > Steve drinking, they might think it would be okay Why should it not be tolerated? If Steve wants to perform drunk, great... but he should also be prepared to pay the consequences of putting on a crappy show if he's so drunk he can't perform: nobody's going to buy his CD's, and nobody will come back if he ever does a show there again... bad news spreads much faster than good reviews... If younger people see Steve drinking, the only conclusion they should draw from it is that Steve is drinking, and that it's okay for Steve to drink, because it's his choice, and he's of legal drinking age. Now, if he's handing out alcohol to minors, that's another story, and it is inappropriate... But, just because Steve is drinking is no reason to enact prohibition at Jewel concerts... again, let's not assume that the attendees at every Jewel concert are puritanical angels. If they're legal, and want to drink, great, have a wonderful time, just have a designated driver, and try not to get sick... > 3. Jewel should say "one more time and you're gone." This is ruining her > reputation. Sure they are friends, but when you are in the public eye, > things can look bad. Why should Jewel do that? I don't see an opening act ruining her reputation anytime in the near future... Steve could cause a little bit of embarrassment to her if he gets slapped with a lawsuit, or fines, or arrested, or whatever... and her fans may not take to Steve if he gives a lousy performance... but I don't see that that will ruin her "reputation" (such as it is -- what is her reputation, anyway? I thought it was "singer, songwriter, performer"... maybe I missed something?) with her fans... That's all... Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@netscape.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease ". . . no I don't need a miracle, but I could use a push in the right direction . . . " ---(The Refreshments, Interstate)--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:34:33 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: Re: * Steve drunk at concerts, plus Jewel content Who cares if he's drunk? Dave Matthews is stoned almost every night. Did you see his Storytellers? He was mad high. Eddie Vedder once performed a concert while pounding two 40s on stage. Rock music has a tradition of alcohol and drug use, especially in connection with live performance. There's a great song by Tool, I think it's the closing track on their last album. It starts with a line about how people think drugs are so bad then goes on to say, Yeah but think of all the beautiful music that we all love so much and how much of it was the product of drugs. Clapton wrote "Layla" and "Wonderful Tonight" during his cocaine period. Drugs helped the Beatles transform their music from kitchy teeny-bopper pop into some of the most important music ever made, Sergeant Pepper's etc. Dylan used a lot of drugs. Pink Floyd, um, yeah. And on and on. Not to say that drugs are necessary to make good music, they're not. Many great and famous musicians don't use drugs, Springsteen, U2, although even they drank. But saying that Jewel should kick him off the tour or that he shouldn't hand out cigarettes or drink on stage is ridiculous. And if it gives kids a "bad message," well, it's a f'ing rock concert, not Sesame Place. Should Jewel not curse at a concert anymore either? When she was at the peak of her live career she was noted for being a wonderful dichotomy of images, the look and voice of innocence couples with the mouth of a truck driver. Maybe Jewel needs to use some drugs, it might help her get out of the rut she's in. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:45:59 EDT From: JMHuber99@aol.com Subject: Re: * Steve drunk at concerts ok folks... lighten up will you? you sound like youre coming straight our of some leave it to beaver episode or something. im writing this in hopes that it doesnt turn into a "jewels looks" argument again, but after all, nobody's perfect. it doesnt really matter if she condones or approves of steves actions or not. dont you think if she thought that he posed a threat to her audience and her reputation that she wouldnt let him on stage? for gods sake folks, are you going on bitching under the assumption that jewel herself never takes a sip of alcohol?? the main point is this... the bottles were empty. steve did nothing wrong, and just because he added a little spice to jewels already angelic performance, does this mean you turn your backs on him? HES NOT JEWEL. get off his back. looking at things in a different way, john ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:24:29 -0500 From: Courtney M Gordon Subject: * Re: Pablo Neruda? Ogden Nash. Dear Angels, > This is a list for talking behind Jewel's back, at any rate... no >matter what the slant, >we're talking about her and she's not here. right on Jesse! Like I said before, this is a Jewel discussion list which means we are all here to discuss Jewel, because all of us are fans of her music and/or poetry. We aren't here because we all have sanguinary thoughts and/or malediction on our minds when we think of Jewel, we are here because we are fans. And of course there are going to be (pick one or more) setlists, outfits, songs, concerts, voice tones, makeup schemes, album covers, articles/interviews, Jewel paraphenelia (sp?) in general that we don't like, as naturally we are human beings. As is Jewel, and we should never expect that simply because Jewel (pick one or more) can yodel, sing beautifully, write poetry, talk, walk, speak, breathe, blink, act, play guitar, tie her shoes all by herself, (the list goes on) that she is superhuman. She is just like the rest of us (a little bit more talented in some cases), and we should never expect that she is going to keep everybody happy by wearing, singing, saying everything everyone else wants her to. Of course Jewel could tell Steve to knock it off if she had a huge problem with what he's doing, and if she doesn't she can let him. But she's not his keeper, and even if she did kick him off the tour (oh I'm sure) he could still do it, that's not going to stop him is it? No. He's a big boy and I'm sure he's going to do what he wants, where he wants to regaurdless of what Jewel says. If she tells him to knock it off, sure, he might. If Jewel removes him from the Spirit tour, that's not gonna stop him. (I'm sure part of that didn't make sense to someone out there, but if any of you were in my brain it would, please don't ask me to explain it.) love and luck always Courtney the angel next door ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:40:58 -0700 From: Mary Olmos Subject: * Re: The Steve Poltz WITCH HUNT Goodness, listen to how the story is taking on a life of it's own, you even got a rise out of me, someone who has only posted once before....let's make it clear that Steve WAS NOT GIVING AWAY DRUGS OR CIGARETTES! I saw the booth at Irvine Meadows, it was far away from the stage and Steve, I believe you had to fill something out and show ID to get the free cigarettes! Give me a break, now someone is saying any artist should not drink on stage? Get real and go to some more concerts, a lot of artists smoke and drink all through their sets! The man is over 21, if he chooses to drink then so be it. And how exactly does anyone know he was drunk? I was at Bakersfield, San Diego and Irvine and was in the first 6 rows for all of his sets, did someone take a urine sample or conduct a breathalyzer test when I wasn't looking? He performed well at all the shows and anyone with a sense of humor could see the beer was a joke, you people are ignoring the fact that he made a point of saying both times that the girls had gotten straight A's and he was encouraging them and other young people to do well in school. Enough said... Mary ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #386 ***************************