From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #332 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, June 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 332 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "Presence" * OR * go to the Atlantic Records site at http://www.atlantic-records.com * and go to the "On Tour" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- * NJC: what's a b-side? [Laura P ] * More info from jeweljk.com about Jewel's next CD [SpivyLeeks@aol.com] * jewel on letterman [Gilbert Ng ] * Enough with bashing Jewel! ["Jennifer" ] *My Jewel web page (I know, I know - again) ["Jennifer" ] * side C / Collaiuta / are we "fans"? [Jesse A McDonald ] * MrBB-Help for new Jewel list subscribers [ABershaw@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:14:36 PDT From: Laura P Subject: * NJC: what's a b-side? Okay, sorry folks, but I honestly don't know what a b-side is. If anybody can tell me what it is, can you post it so other people know what it is too? Thank you very, very, very much! Laura M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:39:07 -0400 From: SpivyLeeks@aol.com Subject: * More info from jeweljk.com about Jewel's next CD Here's more info about what MrBB posted about (for those of you that don't have web access) Mike :-) Straight from the JewelJK site calender: Legendary producer Arif Marden has begun working on Jewel's next album which will be an album of Holiday standards. Plans are to include well-known Christmas songs and a few secular, inspirational songs, some of which Jewel wrote. No release date is currently scheduled but hopes are to have it out around Thanksgiving, in time for the holiday season. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:44:05 GMT From: Gilbert Ng Subject: * jewel on letterman ok, so i jsut watched a video of jewel singing jupiter on letterman And i really got to say this When i read all of your posts stating how dissapointed u were with jewel, i was like thinking "hey she can't have been that bad" Well....now i have to agree No, i am not saying that she sucks.....its just that the style she used in that song repulsed, not inpired me. Now, we all like jewel because of her unique way of enlighting us of life's ups and downs and the different ways to express oneself.In other words, we are drawn to her, not because she looks sexy....not because her voice is sweet(though that helps), but because her words inspire and touch the millions who long to be inspired. However, such an audience is small, though faithful I suspect that it is the invincible wheel of commercialism that has forced this change in her style. The trend nowadays in the musical industry is that majority of the consumers do not even care what the singer is singing about. If the music "sets a tingling to their loins", they jump in and say "hey, this song is good!!" That is why we have people who enjoy meaningless songs....we do not understand them, but thats ok, for they too, do not understand why we take such a archaic outlook when it comes to songs Have your friends ever made fun of you when they see you tear open a new cd to read the lyrics? I know mine have. Well, i jsut wanted to say that although we may no longer like the style and image jewel is portraying herself in, the point is that she is not at fault and we should not be blaming her. If fingers should ever be pointed, it should be at ourselves for being unable to adapt, not that it is wrong, but we simply are made that way. Thats the way life is.......totally unfair And i'm sure that the "old" jewel, the one we so love and adore would agree with me She may not have changed that much.Give her time.......take a look at her next album before we make judgements, ok? Gilbert ps: i'm sorry if i offended anyone in this post, but i really had to get this out of my system ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:48:52 +1000 From: "Jennifer" Subject: * Enough with bashing Jewel! Okay, until now I was going to shutup about the whole Jewel/Letterman thing, because I dunno what she was like, and I never will, but now I just have been compelled to say: shutup. OK, so she had a bad day. Get over it. You'll live. Jennifer "the singalong angel" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:54:23 +1000 From: "Jennifer" Subject: *My Jewel web page (I know, I know - again) Hello everyone. I'm just writing to tell you that I've finally made a page of Jewel pictures for my web site, Sunshine Supergirl. I urge you all to take a look. Of course, I still have heaps to add, but that will come along soon. A reminder: my page is at http://www.expage.com/page/sunshinesupergirl Thanks! :ox Jennifer "the singalong angel" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:22:44 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: * jazz/critics/rapping/POY was MORE complex > Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 04:49:42 EDT > From: DmBear978@aol.com > Subject: * Shake the tree...kick the plywood cow...Jewel changed? > > not knowing the history of rock and roll. All those years listening to Cole > Porter and Ella Fitzgerald have gotta have taken their toll on the woman. ...the jazz legends take their TOLL!? She wouldn't be anything like what she is, as a singer, without their influence. > Of course, I hope my little insight hasn't stopped anybody's bantering about > the woman. She's only got the rest of her life to do whatever she > wants...C'mon people, give her a little slack! :-) Go kick a plywood cow or > something. I'm getting tired of lookin at 20 of the same posts all in > variations. The posts which resemble one another are NOT the critical ones, if you'll check closely. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:33:32 +1100 > From: Louise > Subject: * Jewel talks about her fans on the Australian Hot 40 Countdown > > "I don't think kids listen to critics too much. The industry listens to > critics. And that's a bunch of horse shit. I mean it's a bunch of people > talking about what everybody's thinking, what everybody's thinking (she > repeated herself, not my mistake) it's like being in high school again > and (in her cute snobby voice) "oh my god did you see what she's > wearing, oh I'd never!" It's just you know, uhh really I don't think > about it too much honest, I mean I used to when my first record was out > I thought how can I even walk onstage I'd become so self-conscious and > then I realized, I looked at my fan mail, I was like, kids get IT, kids > get what I'm about, they get what I'm honestly trying to say, they get > my shortcomings, it's all fine." (Then DSL was played) Hmm... that's very interesting, because I'd gotten the impression that Jewel's new sound (et cetera) has been very much a reaction to the critics... not for commercial reasons really, but I get the feeling that she's trying to please everyone with this new music... and that's why it's less challenging. But... maybe not. Doesn't really fit with what she said above, does it! > > Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:50:04 EDT > From: Superspy78@aol.com > Subject: * Jewel changing...a few words > > as far as jewel using more 'rock' in her performances, it's not as though she (no-one ever complained about that, damn it!!!!) > has always been strickly 'mellow, folk' remember when she was younger, and > the 'rap' group she was in... what would you guys think about it if she went > back to rapping. If Under The Water is the pinnacle of her skill in "rapping", then it would please me best if she left that arena to the gladiators. She has that bored white girl sound (a la Blondie's Rapture) when she rhymes, which makes it hard to take anything she says seriously. Actually, I shouldn't specify "white"... not only is it foolish to pay attention to race, I've heard black girl MCs who sound just as bored... If she could drop rhymes as well as T-Love or Medusa, then I'd love to hear her do it. As it is, Under The Water was gimmicky and doesn't land in my top twenty Jewel songs. ^_^ Why do people keep think they have to keep their voices so flat and expressionless when "rapping"? Her voice is so emotive, even evocative when singing... she could at least have tried to put SOME expressiveness into her voice on UTW... of course, she reads her poetry pretty flatly, too, doesn't she? Ah well. > It's good to experiment. And if I'm not mistaken, back in 97 at the Rockfest, > jewel preformed a more rocked version of ywmfm. if you dont like it, dont > listen to it... Well of COURSE Jewel can rock... everyone loves My Own Private God's Gift To Women... who said Jewel couldn't rock? > give the girl a break. I'd like to point out that Jewel is, in regards to me, in a state of perpetual "break" - nothing I do or say has any effect on her. She can't hear me. I often wish she could, but don't worry about her. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:58:12 EDT > From: SWTHRT9758@aol.com > Subject: * Jewel's new song?Vh1 > > Jewel as a depressed deap chick and only that, but I like what she's What was so depressed about her old stuff? I've never heard ANYTHING so stirring and inspiring!! > becoming...a real rock star! Of course her old stuff was incredible, but so > musically simple it made the critics laugh. More people can relate to her ... ... ... !!!?!?!???!?! Musically SIMPLE!? Sometimes I think that I'm reading a strange, foreign language... perhaps one developed specifically to blow my mind... there's nothing simple about Jewel's earlier compositions. I suppose you could have done it? DSL is the same three open chords, over and over. Hands is mainly the same four chords over and over, with a few slightly different permutations (it happens to be the same progression as Tori Amos' Playboy Mommy, only in a different key... really, it's a very common progression). The music on POY often involved crazy retunings of the guitar... some of which I'm sure Jewel herself must have invented... even Sensitive, which SOUNDS perfectly childishly simple, is almost impossible for a less-than-outstanding guitarist to play (the notes are difficult to fret and change between). The chord progressions are not only alternative, if you look at them conventionally they don't make SENSE (much like the Beatles' work, sometimes)... but they don't sound jarring or cacophonic... Just because Spirit has more people on it doesn't make it more complex than POY. If I'm missing something, please let me know. > now, which means more people that benefit from her not only use as some of > use want to believe. Less quality, more quantity. Yahoo. .end.transmission. | Jesse Dangerously | .10.04.good.buddy. | without justice | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:28:14 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: [none] > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:10:37 PDT > From: "Shawna L." > Subject: * My Friends > > the people who think there is a change, the only "change" i see is in the > music style (addition of band). The lyrics i fell in love with are the same, > the depths the meaning and the ability to touch you and make you think about > things is still present. Some people like the new musical style and some > people don't, it's all a matter of taste. I disagree. The overall sonic change might be the most obvious difference between then and now, and I don't like it, but what bothers me more is what I percieve as a change in the form and content of the lyrics. None of the new songs for or since Spirit have been the brilliant, insightful portraits of people she used to paint (Fat Boy is exempted, because it wasn't written for or since Spirit). They're all about what WE are, or what WE have to do... it's a load of chicken soup. It wasn't like that before. > P.S. I remember one post had said that spirit was not jewel's "fault" > Spitit was not anyones "fault" spirit is a phenomenal album just like the > last one. > Matter of opinion. ^_^ .end.transmission. | Jesse Dangerously | .10.04.good.buddy. | without justice | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:14:53 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: * side C / Collaiuta / are we "fans"? I'm listening to side C of my Spirit LP, and it's definitely the best part of the record. I've just realized that I love Stranger Enter >From The East... > Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:49:29 +0200 > From: "Tom Hall" > Subject: * Re: Mr BB's depressing news > > Now!!! Hey, at least it's gonna be Jewel's first single with her REAL band, > not the bunch of no-hopers from the album (j/k) - go Steve!!! Hehe That's a good point... in particular, perhaps a more discriminating drummer (Collaiuta played in Splinter's Story on the TMNT movie sound track...) I'd like to see Matt Chamberlain slap the skins on Jewel's next record, but it'll never happen. )= > Oh yeah, MrBB - I can't see anything hip-hop about the beat to the new > Jupiter... I don't think you're much of a hip-hop fan somehow... Although > it'd be great to hear Jewel with scratch plates and mixing and stuff. Hmmm, > now there's a thought..... ..."scratch plates"? Is that what we're calling turntables these days? What an amusing term. As a scratch DJ, it makes me giggle. ^_^ > ------------------------------ Okay, I just listened to Absence Of Fear for the first time in quite a while, and I love it, too. It's one of those ones where I don't really need to appreciate the lyrics too much. ^_^ > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:34:38 -0400 > From: "Rob Diehl" > Subject: * Comments in general > *snip* > it. Sure, we are all fans of Jewel to one degree or another, but that > doesn't mean we can't be critical of her performances. Always agreeing or > disagreeing with the actions of a particular person, in my eyes, is one of > the worst things people can do to themselves and everyone else. You see this you know, I've just started thinking carefully about this word/concept of "fan". I'm sure most of us know that it's an abbreviation of the word "fanatic", and I suspect that it was originally used in a much more serious context than it tends to be, today (think Beatlemania - those were fanatics). Today, anyone who appreciates an artist's work becomes a "fan" of theirs, which deposits them into little camps... we have Jewel fans, Slayer fans, Master P fans... and while you can belong to many camps, they all seem to dictate certain things about your life... you actually appear to be required to devote some part of your existance to representing artists if you like them... otherwise you're not a fan... and you HAVE to be a fan, right? Otherwise the fans will have nothing but disdain for you. Maybe I'm NOT a Jewel fan. I suppose if I ever met her, I'd probably say "I'm a huge fan!", but perhaps instead I should say "I really appreciate your work!" and be specific. I mean, my friends and people who dig my band might say that they're "fans" and I might refer to them in some contexts as "fans" of my band, but really they just dig our music... we only have one fan, and he's simply burnt out from shrooms and cid(nice guy though, I love Tim^_^). Maybe it would be interesting if everyone who considers their self a Jewel "fan" should do a bit of introspection and investigation... because you love the music, the message, even her hair (tits?).... does that make you a "fan"? Why? > Saying "We shouldn't write bad things about Jewel" completely goes against > this idea, and completely goes against the freedom of expression. Granted, (making a suggestion doesn't really encroach upon someone's freedom... they remain free to disregard the suggestion) .end.transmission. | Jesse Dangerously | .10.04.good.buddy. | without justice | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:14:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicholas Wong Subject: * RE: NJC: what's a b-side? Laura i think a B-side is tracks that compliment a single. In the old days of the cassingle, the single you buy would be on side a and well that leaves side B blank, so record companies would fill the B-side with material the artist has recorded. Hence the name B-side, this has caught onto Cd singles as you get tracks other than the single included. hope that answers the question, and i hope i am right too! Nick > Okay, sorry folks, but I honestly don't know what a b-side is. If anybody > can tell me what it is, can you post it so other people know what it is too? > Thank you very, very, very much! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:25:11 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: * MrBB-Help for new Jewel list subscribers This is a periodic repost geared toward helping new people: Here's some helpful advice to relatively new subscribers who are usually a bit confused & by no fault of thier own, not knowledgable of the history of the EDAs or these Jewel mailing lists. First of all--WELCOME! Since the list FAQ is almost 2 years old & extremely out of date, it's understandibly difficult for new subscribers to get a grip on all that goes on in this large community. These lists, as you can probably sense, have facilitated the developement of many personal relationships among listmembers. The EDAs have also gone beyond the boundaries of the NET & have participated in quite a few great outside projects geared toward helping others as well as meeting in larger groups at music & non-music related events around the world. The purpose of this email is to give new folks a hand at finding the best resources to help with understanding this group called The EDAs. I promise any new person who takes the time to visit these sites, that you will enjoy the lists much more, feel right at home & be as knowledgable as most seasoned vets. (And those grumpy old vets will appreciate your effort.) I'm sure many of you new folks want to know more, but may not know how to educate yourself about the goings-on here. So here's helpful suggestions for you. Please take the time to check these out. It's painless, I promise, & actually fun. The EDA List Guide: http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/ This website is THE BEST resource to learn about these mailing lists, basic Jewel knowledge (so you don't have to wonder about simple things or ask questions that have been answered a thousand times.) Just by knowing the content on this site, you will immediately fit in, feel much more comfortable & enjoy yourself here. REALLY! The Official Jewel Site: http://www.jeweljk.com This is Jewel's official website featuring the latest accurate news, tourdates (& calendar which is updated EVERY DAY), TV appearance info, Jewel Merchandise, Higher Ground For Humanity, Multimedia, photos & more. The best site for current accurate information! Pieces Of Jewel: http://jewel.zoonation.com/ Adam Longfellow's incredible site is the longest running fan site & has the best & most extensive historical content of any Jewel site. (Also, for a list of over 1000 older Jewel Performances check http://jewel.zoonation.com/jchrono.htm. I still keep Jewel's older performance chronology from 1994-1997 here on Adam's site. A very helpful resource for tape collectors needing accurate dates & venues on older performances.) Crashboy's EDA Page: http://thespis.com/crashboy/ This site has photos galore of various EDA gatherings all over North America. See for yourself many of the people responsible for the folklore of this list & get inspired to join in! The EDAFoundation: http://www.EveryDayAngels.org The EveryDay Angels Foundation is a non-profit public benefit corporation whose mission is to promote grassroots volunteerism and community involvement. Inspired, created & managed by fellow listmembers who are devoting time & effort to promote activities that directly effect positive change in the world & to help focus the energy of the EDAs as a force to effect positive change. Watch for their posts, visit their site & find out how you can get involved while having a lot of fun in the process! Gerritt's Jewel Page: http://www.endor.org/jewel/ Another long time fan site with a lot of great content as well as the best source BY FAR for finding links to all the other Jewel sites. Atlantic Records: http://www.atlantic-records.com Jewel's record company's site featuring current industry news, contests & a few complete webcasts of Jewel are also available here. And finally, almost the entire history of this list is archived online at: http://www.smoe.org/lists/jewel/archives/ Here is the day to day history of this list referenced chronilogically in digest form. Not only is this a great resource for historical info, but if you are new or gone for a while, you can go here to read the past few days at any time. There's plenty more of course, but these sites in particular will definitely eleviate most of your confusion & will allow you to have a lot more fun way faster! Help everyone here by helping yourself to these resources. Welcome & enjoy! 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